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October 11, 2008
Open Thread – 08-34
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“’notional value’ means absolutely nothing for a few reasons: Posted by: Spyware | Oct 11 2008 18:51 utc | 1 why isn’t this comment not on the thread in which it pertains? Posted by: sick of trolls | Oct 11 2008 20:20 utc | 2 why isn’t this comment on the thread in which it pertains? Posted by: sick of trolls | Oct 11 2008 20:22 utc | 3 And now for something completely different. This may be of interest to any passerby who has been unable to separate him/herself from the scripted reality TV drama of the show known as “Prez08” Did you see John McCain put down the shill paid to stand up and say she couldn’t trust an arab such as Barack Obama. McCain straightfaced lectured his audience on what a great, patriotic amerikan family man Obama was. I guess his pollsters have pointed out that going negative isn’t working so now others say it while McCain confirms the slander with his weak denials. Oh well gotta keep the audience hooked, and let face it even “amerika’s top model” has started to pall despite having the added frisson of seeing semi-clothed teenage girls starve themselves for the entertainment of a particularly nasty subset of misogynistic gay men.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 11 2008 21:20 utc | 4 Haven’t seen or heard anything from Cheney lately. Why is that, I’m wondering. Posted by: Maxcrat | Oct 12 2008 1:29 utc | 5 Noam Chomsky on Latin America Posted by: estouxim | Oct 12 2008 2:28 utc | 8 Maxcrat, maybe Cheney has decided to hole up in Bin Laden’s cave. Posted by: JohnH | Oct 12 2008 3:11 utc | 9 @4, Gosh, I’m getting naive — it never crossed my mind that the lady was maybe/likely a shill. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Oct 12 2008 7:36 utc | 11 he did not detract the arab meme she was feeding. Posted by: annie | Oct 12 2008 7:44 utc | 12 Back to the topic in the top post, from a completely different angle. Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 12 2008 8:35 utc | 13 From Joe Bageant’s blog:By An Anonymous Political Consultant Posted by: anna missed | Oct 12 2008 9:30 utc | 14 A Primer on Wall Street Meltdown
…It has three primary features. It demands no sacrifice from its faithful. It demands that you purchase and consume and that you become passively entertained. Posted by: alabama | Oct 12 2008 12:25 utc | 16 The Surge That Failed
b, Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 12 2008 14:22 utc | 18 The big impediment to banning CDS turns out to be legal. Posted by: …—… | Oct 12 2008 14:52 utc | 19 Tangerine (Oct 12, 2008 4:35:32 AM | 13)
This gaming analogy to poker, may be relevant in a simple cash game, where blinds are minimal, and optional, depending on your placement to the button, and where time is really to a large extent irrelevant (i.e. you can play tight aggressive poker, for hours, waiting for your nuts hand). Posted by: HUMINT 'Market' Art | Oct 12 2008 15:18 utc | 20 @ralphieboy – overproduction is just the counterpart of under-consumption. If the majority of the working people is not paid enough to consume, production is senseless. The U.S. has tried to pamper over this by cheap credit. But that only works so long. U.S. Military Plans Polls and Focus Groups in Iraq
well, i just read about another bombing in pakistan, killing 35 people. 12 of which are estimated to be ‘potential suicide bombers’. please. sorry, too lazy to link. yesterday was another. for the last 3 or 4 days there seems to be another one. wtf. Posted by: annie | Oct 12 2008 19:23 utc | 23 Just a short note before I get down to something else, has anyone else noticed how the G-8 summit which met in July to an a rather subdued cacophony has now become, permanently it seems, the G-7? Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 12 2008 19:29 utc | 25 Knowing what happens in the world is so goddamn depressing. Posted by: Cloud | Oct 12 2008 22:00 utc | 26 The despair of all those European writers of the early to mid 20th century has been entirely vindicated. Posted by: Cloud | Oct 12 2008 22:13 utc | 27 What kind of change is this?
Posted by: Fran | Oct 12 2008 22:41 utc | 28 aana 14 – the predominent element of entertainment culture over all other human cultures is that it’s always on, a 24x7x365x1000 UberOberAmerReich. Posted by: Kulev Varnoc | Oct 12 2008 22:55 utc | 29 Interesting story. I wonder why it is exposed in this manner.
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 12 2008 23:39 utc | 30 interesting development (if true) on the SOFA Posted by: annie | Oct 12 2008 23:42 utc | 31 re 31, in no way do i think the US would ever agree to this. Posted by: annie | Oct 12 2008 23:48 utc | 32 Thanks to anna missed for the link to Bageant, which is very interesting, although alabama‘s comment is highly pertinent. I doubt that such a rational project of political reclamation will come to pass, if indeed, it is really possible for contingent historical reasons. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 13 2008 6:17 utc | 33 Following annie @ 31, there’s quite a good interview with Maliki in the Times today, which sets out his position clearly.
I was quite interested to see that he repeats his personal position that he did not choose to be PM, and he would not put himself up again voluntarily. Posted by: Alex | Oct 13 2008 6:55 utc | 34 I think alabama’s question is addressed in passing in the following: Posted by: anna missed | Oct 13 2008 8:09 utc | 35 Re Iraq, so the biggest obstacle is the issue of immunity, and the Iraqi puppets are putting up an oh-so-spirited defense… Meanwhile, things are rolling along just fine, apparently, where it matters most:
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 13 2008 13:32 utc | 36 chomsky Posted by: b real | Oct 13 2008 14:24 utc | 37 You do understand, Alamet @ 36, don’t you, that Maliki and the Bush administration/Western MSM media speak completely different languages? It is very rare for what one says to be confirmed by the other. I doubt that the Iraqis think they are selling what you just reported. As I don’t think that Bush would confirm that all US troops will be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, as Maliki has just said (I believe they may be, as Maliki is not budging, but that is another matter). Posted by: Alex | Oct 13 2008 14:26 utc | 38 @ HUMINT, I understand. Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 13 2008 17:07 utc | 39 from alamet’s link
not sure what is meant by “risk service agreements” but does this mean these deals being made today won’t be finalized til next year?
it is not clear if those 2 little sentences Maliki demanded removed have been resolved but this implies the current US sofa draft leaves open the possibility the US would not be breaking their terms of the sofa simply by having a future iraq administration ask for an extension. ie: (If the Iraqi government did not asks to extend) Posted by: annie | Oct 13 2008 17:16 utc | 40 annie @40 Posted by: Alex | Oct 13 2008 18:40 utc | 41 Atlanta Police using Tank Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 13 2008 21:21 utc | 42 Alex @ 38, do you mean the final agreements may not end up to be as rapacious as the oil co.s would like? That would be good. But I think what matters here is not how favorable the terms are and how big a percentage of the oil Iraq can secure. The life or death question is who gets to control production rates. The best percentage in the world won’t help Iraq much if they are forced to fill the gap as the new swing supplier and their oil runs dry fifteen years from now. Posted by: Alamet | Oct 13 2008 23:45 utc | 43 from the jim bamford interview on tuesday‘s democracy now
smells like alot more than just some ‘ultimate irony’, imo. but what do i know.. Posted by: b real | Oct 14 2008 17:24 utc | 44 Alamet @ 43 Posted by: Alex | Oct 14 2008 19:50 utc | 47 haven’t read thru any of the study yet, buy by the press release it looks to contain some useful information
Posted by: b real | Oct 15 2008 3:11 utc | 48 CIA Tactics Endorsed In Secret Memos – Waterboarding Got White House Nod
possible upcoming death alert (wishful thinking, i know i’m terrible god will strike me down)
Posted by: annie | Oct 15 2008 18:29 utc | 51 Debates: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2008 4:59 utc | 52 For those interested in Austria and seeking their daily (over)dose of hard-core conspiracy theory, scroll down this link to read all about the Haider “accident”. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 16 2008 5:54 utc | 53 annie @ 51 et al… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2008 9:19 utc | 54 time for a laugh Posted by: Hamburger | Oct 16 2008 13:51 utc | 55 IVAW crashes the party, i.e., the debates… Blood was spilled.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2008 14:03 utc | 56 Just put below at Feral Scholar, comment on an excellent DeAnander post Treated Like Meat on the (apparent) stupidity and evident cruelty of forbidding farmers to do their own butchering. Put this summary of articles (mentioned here before separately) together with the financial “bust out”: Well, it’s been nice to know you all …
Posted by: DM | Oct 17 2008 10:47 utc | 58 Nir Rosen in Rolling Stone: How We Lost the War We Won – A journey into Taliban-controlled Afghanistan
spaeking od australia, dm, they were ven the bum’s rush at the security council – with less votes than swaziland or lithuania – one vote in fact – much laughter amongs the delegates – the pretentions of power of succesive australian governments earns them only ridicules – deputy sherrif, indeed Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 17 2008 21:30 utc | 60 muzzlewatch brings us Smearcasters: How Islamophobes spread fear, bigotry and misinformation’ a recent report just released by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR).
i recommend the report. check out the circular hate graphic Posted by: annie | Oct 17 2008 21:43 utc | 61 requiem for nothing Posted by: slothrop | Oct 18 2008 3:56 utc | 62 @DM
There are numerous ways in and out of the ‘Great Firewall of China’, even though there is virtually unlimited, dedicated, committed resources and State power enforcing it … highly doubt, even if this Aussie effort, worst case, could get-up and become remotely comparable, it would succeed any better … Posted by: Outraged | Oct 18 2008 7:08 utc | 63 The money quote: Posted by: anna missed | Oct 18 2008 9:36 utc | 64 b or ASKOD will know more about this than I but I understand the EU has successfully resisted some of the most insidious of the ACTA measures (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement). The only evidence I have that Europe escaped is a link to a very obscure document here. Maybe ASKOD can clarify. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 18 2008 21:24 utc | 66 UAE plans Hormuz bypass canal in event of war
Supertankers?.. I wonder what kind of a timeframe they have in mind. Posted by: Alamet | Oct 19 2008 0:43 utc | 67 Found via The Automatic Earth, this is really intriguing:
Graphs and more at the link. Posted by: Alamet | Oct 19 2008 20:50 utc | 69 Heads up for b real, et al…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2008 5:37 utc | 70
Doh! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2008 6:18 utc | 71 thanks uncle (#70) – that’s the docu that inner city press called propaganda for ocampo & the icc, at least for the version screened at the u.n. back in july of which i linked to here
Posted by: b real | Oct 20 2008 14:17 utc | 72 @Alamet – @67 – Why build a canal when they can build pipelines to a harbor on their east coast? New “TriPolar” Currency For Asia,U.S., Europe On P
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, And in the darkness bind them. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2008 17:32 utc | 74 @alamet – @69 – interesting – the big unknown is consumption in China. There may be hording for other times but who finances that? We are talking double digit millions at least. whnever bernanke, bush or paulson speak – they seem very vary troubled, indeed. nothing calming in their speeches to one & all. bernanke in particular – you feel he is scared shitless & is in the middle of a nerovous breakdon, you have the stuttering paulson who seems to find it difficult to stand up straight & it would seem that they drag bush out of a catatonic clinic – when he’s standing next to the feral sarkozy it only highlight the nocatumbulist nightmare we are living Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 20 2008 18:07 utc | 76 Everything that I have read in economic history leads me to believe that we are entering a nightmare transition era. michael hudson Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 20 2008 18:40 utc | 77 it is so like iraq Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 20 2008 21:12 utc | 78 So, Joe Biden is guaranteeing Obama will face an international crisis in the first six months of his presidency? hmmm… Posted by: Lizard | Oct 20 2008 22:37 utc | 79 Dahr Jamail – “We Have to Share This Pain”
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 20 2008 23:14 utc | 80 Solid analysis by Reidar Visser: SOFA Issues Posted by: Alamet | Oct 21 2008 0:16 utc | 81 We interrupt normal programming to advise that a documentary screened in Britain October 15 2008 should not be missed by any MoA habitue. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 21 2008 2:31 utc | 82 We interrupt normal programming to advise that a documentary screened in Britain October 15 2008 should not be missed by any MoA habitue. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 21 2008 2:37 utc | 83 Humble apologies to all on the massive dupe post. None of the posts have actually appeared in the version of the thread I open, just in the front page but Murphy dictates that few others will cop that on their machines. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 21 2008 2:50 utc | 84
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