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October 9, 2008
Molehills in Iran

While checking the satellite pictures of a road between Herat in Afghanistan and Iran yesterday, this chain of ‘molehills’ got my attention. What are those?


detail of google sat picture

The black strip on the left is the two lane road between the Iranian towns Khvaf to the north and and Nishtafun to the south. There are two line of ‘molehills’ from north east to south west. On the bigger sat picture another line can be seen east of them.

Today Joshua Foust has a recommendable post on Afghan opium economics with a picture of similar structures in Afghanistan. It turns out that these are Karez wells first(?) known from Turpan in China:

Vertical wells are dug at various points to tap into the water current flowing down sloping land from the source, the mountain runoff. The water is then channeled through underground canals dug from the bottom of one well to the next well and then to the desired destination, Turfan’s irrigation system. This irrigation system of special connected wells originated during the Han Dynasty (206 BC – 24 AD).

Some photos of the underground canals are here plus a model of such a system.

‘Driving’ the road in the google sat picture north or south (keep mouse button pressed and shove the picture down or up) one finds several more of these ‘molehill’ canals. The longest one in that area seems to be some three miles with a well holes every 60 yards.

When were these build? Are they still active and maintained?

Maybe I should travel there and take a look.

Comments

The answer to your question is that they are called ‘qanats’ in Iran. I think the current idea is that they originated in mining technology in NW Iran around the 8th century BC, but became very common in the medieval Islamic period. They spread to Iraq, north Africa and even into Spain. I think in Spain they are called foggaras, and the Arab world there are other names. I didn’t know about Turfan, but Sinkiang inherited a lot of Iranian culture. The word to google is ‘qanat’.
Some are still used and maintained, but obviously there are a lot which are abandoned but whose traces are still there to be seen on Google Earth.

Posted by: Alex | Oct 9 2008 10:29 utc | 1

Qanats have been found throughout the regions that came within the cultural sphere of ancient Persia: in Pakistan, in Chinese oasis settlements of Turkistan, in southern areas of the U.S.S.R., in Iraq, Syria, Arabia and Yemen. During the periods of Roman and then Arabian domination the system spread westward to North Africa, Spain and Sicily

I assume it’s an old qanat

Posted by: DharmaBum | Oct 9 2008 11:03 utc | 2

From the size of these depressions it looks like the qanats fell in a while ago. But in general these were amazingly effective and often very long-distance underground irrigation systems.

Posted by: Helena Cobban | Oct 9 2008 11:16 utc | 3

Thanks – impressive – so the Chinese were by far not the first with this and copied the technology. Who would have thought such …

Posted by: b | Oct 9 2008 11:32 utc | 4

In fact, they are part of Iran’s uranium enrichment effort and must be bombed, bombed and bombed and then bombed again!
BTW, did you see this “knot garden” near by.

Posted by: Gary Ruppert’s pathetic twin | Oct 9 2008 12:13 utc | 5

Uh, are these like rings you can see at the Al Khufrah oase?
Google Earth –> Al Khufrah, Libya
See also: http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMWVRM65LE_index_1.html

Posted by: Colin | Oct 9 2008 14:44 utc | 6

@Colin

No, that was an experiment in unsustainable agriculture. description here

Posted by: DharmaBum | Oct 9 2008 15:07 utc | 7

NoNoNo You Are All Wrong !!!
Those Are ICBM Missile Sites !!!!!!!!!!!!
For The Love Of All That Is Pure And Holy Run For Your Lives !!!
The Launching Begins NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: NoNoNoYou’reAllWrong | Oct 9 2008 15:27 utc | 8

The circular holes were for maintenance to remove sand and debris and keep the water below running. There are remains of these qanat even in the middle of Baghdad.

Posted by: Ensley | Oct 9 2008 15:50 utc | 9

Surgar Weekly English Edition
Kandahar, Afghanistan
Surgar.net
Pakistan orders deportation of Afghan refugees
AFP Khar (Pakistan), October 8
Pakistan has ordered around 60,000 Afghan refugees to leave a troubled border tribal area where security forces are battling Al-Qaida and
Taliban militants, officials said today.
The deportation order for the displaced Afghans in the lawless northwestern region of Bajaur came after a deadline set for them to go back to their homeland expired on Sunday, security officials said.
Pakistan launched an offensive in Bajaur in August and officials allege that many of the refugees, who fled Afghanistan during the years of conflict following the 1979 Soviet invasion, have links to the militants.
“On the orders of the interior ministry, we have launched a crackdown against Afghan refugees who have not left the area,” senior government official Abdul Haseeb said.
He said most of the Afghans were in Bajaur illegally, having sneaked back in, two years after returning to Afghanistan under a UN-backed repatriation programme.
“But there are reports about Afghan refugees’ involvement in militant and anti-social activities, that is why they were being expelled,” Haseeb said.
Pakistani security forces have arrested 40 Afghans and sealed shops owned by Afghans, he said, adding: “There will be no extension in the deadline.”
An estimated 30,000 Afghans out of 90,000 living in the troubled district have left since last week’s order.
Most hail from the adjoining Afghan province of Kunar, a hotbed of Taliban insurgency.

Afghan governor hoping to sow seeds of change
THE NEW YORK TIMES
KABUL, Afghanistan — As the new planting season for opium poppy draws near, the governor of Helmand, Afghanistan’s largest poppy
producing province, says that this year he is determined to beat the illicit crop that is a major source of money for drug lords and insurgents alike.
To do that, the governor, Gulab Mangal, says he plans to try something that has worked in more peaceful parts of Afghanistan, but which remains
untested in lawless Helmand. He hopes to persuade farmers not to plant poppy at all, rather than eradicating the crop once it has already been planted, a policy he blames for sowing greater strife in Helmand.
Mangal’s solution may seem easy enough, but the task before him is formidable. He says it will take new seeds for farmers, new roads to get their legal crops to the market, reconstruction money, strict enforcement of laws against poppy growing and, perhaps most difficult of all, the elimination of the official corruption that has fueled the drug trade.
One potential replacement crop is vegetable seeds. American vegetable seed distributors pay as much as US$80 per kg for onion seed, for example. Frike, a Syrian delicacy is made from durum wheat by toasting the already harvested wheat seed heads with fire. Frike is the single biggest source of income for rural families, particularly in the dry north-west. Seed production for domestic use is becoming increasingly important to Afghans. On a long term basis, suitable land for seed production must be identified and developed soon, according to Icarda [icarda.cgiar.org], as there is a regional shortage of available seed to secure next year’s food production.

Pakistani police harass Afghan travelers
Quetta Sugar:
Afghan laborers have increasingly been traveling into Pakistan in search of work, but accounting to their accounts, and those of other Afghan travelers to the country, the Pakistani police are engaging in extortion with foreigners.
From the moment Afghan travelers pass through the Friendship gates at the Afghanistan – Paksitan frontier, police begin harassment demanding large sums of money. Not only do they demand money, but border police have physically beaten up the visiting workers and travelers, and even imprisoned some at the border prison in Chaman.
Although Afghan visitors have problems with Pakistani police in many areas, the heavy police patrols in Quettat are the one Afghans
complain about the most.
According to traveler reports from the area, if anyone refuses to pay the passage demanded by Pakistani police, they will be arrested and put in jail for days. According to one Afghan, Wali Mohammad, Pakistani police started demanding illegal tolls from the Friendship Gate between the two countries, and then at every check point from there until Queatta.
Qudratullah, another Afghan who spoke to Surgar Weekly, complained about the Pakistani police too. Upon his return to Quetta from work in Afghanistan, Qudratullah was asked for his Pakistani ID card. But after finding out that he didn’t have the Pakistani ID card, the police demanded 500 pakistani rupees. When he refused to give up the bribe, police immediately put him in prison for fifteen days. This was the worst experience of his life, he said. Qudratullah described how the jailers only provided half a loaf of bread each day, then after beating him up the prison officials demanded one thousand five hundred Pakistanni rupees to release him.
Pakistani border police have put more than three thousand Afghans in a prison built for only one thousand inmates, and call the extortion and bribery demands their “daily money needs”.
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Few Afghan carpets sold as country of origin
Kabul Surgar:
Although Afghan carpet exports have risen in the past few years, possibly as few as three or four percent are sold with an Afghanistan brand name as their country of origin in the international markets, resulting in millions of dollars of lost domestic income.
Carpet trade has risen ten times greater than before in international markets, and especially in the EU countries, according to Afghan carpet traders, but only a small percentage are sold with a certificate of origin as Afghan made carpets and using an Afghan trade name.
The remainder of the carpet exports are illegally traded by local and foreign smugglers to Iran and Pakistan and then reshipped to the international markets as of Iranian or Pakistani origin.
Because unemployment in Afghanistan is at one of its highest levels ever, many people have turned to weaving carpets. Even though these hand made carpets have the highest quality, domestic sales within the country has fallen dramatically. While talking to Surgar Weekly, Hajji Qadam Khan, a carpets salesman and trader, said sales volumes have reduced or
even stopped in some areas due to security problems, and due to illegal smuggling.
According to the trader, the imbalance between production of carpets and market demands also affects his trade business. He added that exporting Afghan carpets to international markets costs a huge amount of money which traders cant afford to finance before sales are paid, in complaining about smugglers selling Afghan carpets with other country of origin brands.
Afghan economics experts believe the Afghan business environment isn’t robust enough to provide secure, low-cost export shipping and trade processing in order to export Afghan trade goods conveniently. And taking the advantage, smugglers benefit from this lack of administrative controls in the Afghan national government.
Mohammad Zarif Yadgari, a member of carpet sale and sewing, told Sugar Weekly that Afghanistan exports about two million square meter carpets, but believes only two to three percent of it is sold labeled as made in Afghanistan. Afghanistan suffers a US$70 million loss every year when Afghan carpets are sold with other countries trade marks, Trade ministry of Afghanistan claimed.
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Flawed intel causes civilian deaths
Taand
One of the biggest reasons Afghan civilian deaths are caused by foreign troops air strikes is believed to be incorrect information provided by the Afghan intelligence service, according to a recent poll reported on the Taand website.
A survey of about 360 individuals was taken after the deadly air strikes which killed dozens in Shendand district of Herat provinces. After the poll was completed, the Taanb website said in its report that some 52 Afghans believe that civilian deaths in air strikes of foreign troops are
caused due to false reports and erroneous information of secret services.
A second large percentage of those surveyed believed foreign troops want make the killings as an excuse to stay longer in the country.
The survey was taken based on a foreign press agency reports that some four thousand six hundred Afghans have lost their lives in military operations in the ongoing year, and nearly 1500 of these Afghans were civilians.
Foreign troops commander also accept the fact that Afghan civilian deaths have risen recently. Robert Gates, US Defense minister, while meeting in conference with Afghan president Hamid Karzai, pledged to do his best to avoid civilian deaths.
President Karzia also believes that the rise in civilian deaths have caused unrest among the Afghan people and called on international forces and the Afghan national army for better communication and cooperation in staging military operations.
The UN Independent Commission has urged all three sides, the Afghan government, International Forces and militants to avoid civilian deaths.
Analysts believe that civilian deaths have created escalating distrust and unrest between the ordinary people and the Afghan government,
supporting a growing opposition movement that threatens to disrupt national life.
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Mullah Mohammad Omar: Avoid civilian casualties
Former Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar has called on his warriors to be cautious during the war and prevent innocent civilian casualties.
Delayed due to Eid Ul Fitr, a published announcement was released believed to be Mullah Mohammad Omar’s, urging Taliban to continue their fight.
In the announcement, Mullah Omar told Taliban followers to avoid deeds that give the Taliban a bad reputation. Suicide bomb blast in mosques,
robbing people and stealing their goods on major highways, cutting off people noses and ears using Taliban identity, setting religious books on fire,
and many other deeds are being performed by others to ruin the Taliban’s reputation, Mohammad Omar said.
He asked all those miscreants to reveal themselves and stop claiming the Taliban name, and also urged those Mujahideen who support the Afghan
government to join Taliban and stop using Taliban’s name for their personal benefits.
The Taliban leader also condemned the allied occupation forces air strikes in that caused tens of civilians’ deaths in Shendand district of Herat and conveyed his condolences to civilian families who lost their loved ones in eastern parts of the country.
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Taliban reject rumor of talks
Militant Taliban have rejected Western reports claiming the Taliban is in negotiation talks with the Afghan government being hosted by Saudi Arabia.
In an announcement after the Eid ul Fitr, Afghan president Hamid Karzia said talks with Taliban have been going for the last two years with the help of Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, but there hasn’t been considerable progress.
Taliban spokesmen, on the other hand, say there is no truth to the story and rejects as nonsense that their representatives have held talks with the Afghan government while visiting as guests of the Saudis.
The Taliban claim those who have negotiated with the Afghan government don’t truly represent the Taliban. According to them, they will only talk with the Karzai government when it benefits the country and Islam, and the Taliban will continue their fight till the foreign forces are in Afghanistan.
Both the UN and a British commanding general have made remarks that foreign forces are not winning the war against terrorism in Afghanistan
——
Rumors persist around heroin link
Reports Link Karzai’s Brother to Afghanistan Heroin Trade
Heroin caches found near Kandahar and Kabul.
New York Times
WASHINGTON — When Afghan security forces found an enormous cache of heroin hidden beneath concrete blocks in a tractor-trailer outside Kandahar in 2004, the local Afghan commander quickly impounded the truck and notified his boss.
Before long, the commander, Habibullah Jan, received a telephone call from Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of President Hamid Karzai, asking him to release the vehicle and the drugs, Mr. Jan later told American investigators, according to notes from the debriefing obtained by The New York Times. He said he complied after getting a phone call from an aide to President Karzai directing him to release the truck.
Two years later, American and Afghan counternarcotics forces stopped another truck, this time near Kabul, finding more than 110 pounds of heroin. Soon after the seizure, United States investigators told other American officials that they had discovered links between the drug shipment and a bodyguard believed to be an intermediary for Ahmed Wali Karzai, according to a participant in the briefing.
The assertions about the involvement of the president’s brother in the incidents were never investigated, according to American and Afghan officials, even though allegations that he has benefited from narcotics trafficking have circulated widely in Afghanistan.
Both President Karzai and Ahmed Wali Karzai, now the chief of the Kandahar Provincial Council, the governing body for the region that includes Afghanistan’s second largest city, dismiss the allegations as politically motivated attacks by longtime foes.

Posted by: Shah Loam | Oct 9 2008 17:50 utc | 10

Thanks Shah Loam!

Posted by: b | Oct 9 2008 17:58 utc | 11

Very interesting about the qanats. It is a word I have previoulsy only encoutered through Dune, though there in slightly different meaning. As it probably should, millenias and lightyears from here and now.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 9 2008 21:34 utc | 12

I wish I could understand Pashto, the language of the people getting most shat upon by the empire at the moment.
I watched a news story last night put out by the BBC in conjunction with the Pakistani military which was aimed at showing that the Pakistani military was doing a good enough job murdering Pakistani citizens and didn’t need USuk assistance. The trouble was that few if any of the Pashtun people interviewed spoke english so when they are translated as saying they hate amerika and Pakistani Taliban equally, did they really say that? If they did say Pakistani Taliban were they referring to their own tribal fighters or the USuk organised Afghanis (probably Kurds) who have been calling themselves Taliban and kidnapping and murdering Chinese citizens working on Pakistani development projects?
There is no doubt that some sort of ‘awakening’ style thing is being attempted but that only succeeded in Iraq after the Shia had won the battle of Baghdad and is now in danger of failing there since the responsibility for payments has been handed over to the Maliki government. Maliki is only prepared to keep about 10% of the Sunni awakening on the payroll natch the rate of payments for former Shia militia is much higher.
Anyway whatever the wheels within wheels are doing there is no doubt that millions of Pashtu’s are under attack and losing their homes from whomever.
Here’s a curly one. Has everyone else noticed that when USuk fights people in Afghanistan they say they are hunting foreign fighters from Pakistan, but when they kill people in Pakistan they say they are killing foreign fighters from Afghanistan. What’s the go with that? Do the Pashtu’s shake hands with each other at the border crossings saying “Oh well another day another dollar. I’m off to Afghanistan to kill your family and you’re off to Pakistan to kill mine. All this to keep the western media happy. Why don’t just short circuit the whole thing and I’ll bomb my village if you attack yours. That way we can go home to our families for lunch just like the amerikan drone pilots do.”
Hmm some flaw in the stories being told about what USuk, sorry NATO are up to eh.
Not as big a flaw as the amerikan admiral who claimed last night that 32 civilians were killed in the amerikan terror attack on a village in Herat, not the seven they initially claimed. The admiral is a communications ‘expert’ read Public Relations hack attached to the Joint Chiefs. Their press secretary gets an admirals hat eh, not bad work if you can get it. The competition for the admiral’s gig can’t have been too hard cause he sure wasn’t very good at making up lies cover stories.
The in-depth inquiry concluded that 32 civilians had died but it was the fault of the Taliban (that word again) cause they were in the village when the drones attacked. Think about that logic. What he is saying is if I or anyone else gets pissed off enough with these murderers flying the drones to want to ‘take them out’, and I decide to blow up the town they go home to at night after a hard day over a hot digital joystick, then that is fair enough. The civilians killed are just unfortunate collateral damage put at risk by the drone pilots decision to go home to bed.
But of course it wasn’t 32 dead children anyway. Only young children are deemed civilians according to the Joint Chiefs review team. The residents of Herat say more than 90 civilians died in that one raid but the number 32 was got at thusly.
The area around the village was examined closely from a great height, they counted 48 fresh holes in the ground, said the admiral. They know 18 Taliban were killed (how they ‘know’ that was neither asked nor stated so that figure deserves the big hairy eyeball anyhow) and their extra special analysts with fries on the side, therefore concluded that 32 bodies in the ’embarrassing’ mobile phone video were children. Therefore 48 humans were killed and ‘only’ 32 of them were civilians.
The flaws in logic nearly outweigh the numbers killed. Yeah I know 32 plus 18 is 50 not 48, but let’s not dwell on that there is something awful, degrading for all, about death tallies.
The point is that UN observers, government officials and locals all put the civilian death toll at over 90.
Counting up the fresh holes in the ground is as inaccurate as it is perverse. How could one ever be sure that every grave had been found? Is there really 100% 24/7 surveillance coverage over all of Southern Afghanistan? If there is, how do these so called Taliban take a shit let alone kill the occupying oppressors?
What we have here is more lies. But we knew that anyhow. The USuk murderers pull the lowest number they can get away with out of a hat and if that doesn’t stand up, after months of debate and pointless reviews using Google earth for all we know, the number is revised up to the next lowest they can get away with.
There is no adherence to the truth, just to whatever bullshit the media will wear. Notorious god-botherer and crooked australian politician Jo Bjelke Peterson used to refer to press conferences as ‘feeding the chooks’ (chickens). The same attitude is revealed here. It took much too long before australians woke up to the lies Peterson spread, playing the bible basher while he creamed the top off the police weekly ‘drink’ from organised crime. The proceeds of heroin sales and prostitution. It takes a special sort of low life to do that year in year out without a trace of remorse, exactly the same types of scum who inhabit the top echelons of the amerikan military.
Eventually long after the conflict has ended someone in the amerikan administration will finally concede the 90 figure, justifying it with the usual “it was war” as if that can excuse any crime, then allow any lie to be perpetrated.
Last night’s lie was punctuated by the news that about 5 minutes before this smarmy fork tongued ‘admiral’ came out to allegedly fess up, that drones had attacked another Afghani village murdering god knows how many.
Classic control freak tactic, never concede anything and if circumstances make that impossible, make sure the innocent are punished for causing this embarrassment. The Pashtun were meant to have fully comprehended the sub-texts of the communications. That is “embarrass us and we’ll kill all of you”. “Last night’s communication was for the benefit of the semi-conscious, credulous, flabby pustules known as amerikans, not you unwhite excrescent trash.”
How do ‘the enemy’ react? well “the group known by USuk as the Pakistani Taliban” blew up a security police station in Islamabad last night.
Note two salient things about the attack. It was at the enemy’s place of work, thereby minimising civilian casualties, that, and the bomb was detonated at a time when the building was known to have few people in it. There was a parliamentary function in Islamabad at the time and all the security police were out of the office protecting the event.
I just wish I could speak Pashto, that way it might be possible to ascertain if the Pakistani military are being similarly careful to minimise casualties when they put on their side of the performance for western entertainment.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 9 2008 22:04 utc | 13

Here’s a curly one. Has everyone else noticed that when USuk fights people in Afghanistan they say they are hunting foreign fighters from Pakistan, but when they kill people in Pakistan they say they are killing foreign fighters from Afghanistan. What’s the go with that? Do the Pashtu’s shake hands with each other at the border crossings saying “Oh well another day another dollar. I’m off to Afghanistan to kill your family and you’re off to Pakistan to kill mine. All this to keep the western media happy. Why don’t just short circuit the whole thing and I’ll bomb my village if you attack yours. That way we can go home to our families for lunch just like the amerikan drone pilots do.”

That’s classic, Debs.
When you insert Oliver North into the Azizabad massacre the whole affair becomes even more of a grim farce.
As for there being a cut-off point for children being children – birthdays marking the passage into legitimate target-hood – it makes you wonder whether the rules of engagement are being written by the ghost of Marlon Brando as Colonel Kurtz. Can you elaborate on that at all? If true – and I don’t doubt it is – I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything more obscene.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 9 2008 22:30 utc | 14

Very interesting.
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I can just see Colin Powell presenting these pictures, under the Picasso of Guernica, covered over for the occasion. ( > Back to the past filter.)
Iran does do some mining, even of uranium, and everyone realises that sand n**s will tend to dig in sand for whatever nefarious purpose and thereby create hills of sand. Heh! Their medium.
W socialist web site, on the draping of Guernica

Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 10 2008 16:27 utc | 15