Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 9, 2008
Financial Markets: The Fuse Is Lit

The inverted pyramid of credit derivatives, insurances against bond failures, that sit on top of collateralized debt obligation which sit on top of bad loans is now really threatening to crash down on the financial system.

The failure of Lehman Brothers triggered ‘credit default events’ on bonds Lehman had issued. On Friday an auction will clarify what holders of Lehman bonds might get payed out of the bankruptcy assets. The difference of that value to the face value of the bonds will then have to be payed out by those who sold insurances in form of Credit Default Swaps on Lehman bonds to other parties.

As such risk insurances have not only be sold to people who actually hold Lehman bonds, but to anyone who wanted to buy and speculate with them, the amount that will have to be payed out will be a multiple of the nominal bond value Lehman defaulted on.

Writes the Financial Times (behind free subscription walls):

Banks are hoarding cash in expectation of pay-outs on up to $400bn of defaulted credit derivatives linked to Lehman Brothers and other institutions, according to analysts and -dealers.

Yesterday, the default of up to $500bn in derivative contracts linked to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was settled, the biggest such exercise ever carried out.

The Fannie and Freddie CDS settled at between 91.5 and 99.9 cents on the dollar, reflecting the fact its underlying debt is not in default after the mortgage groups were seized by the US government. The seizure did trigger defaults on derivatives, however.

The next test will be the unwinding of CDS linked to Lehman, which filed for bankruptcy three weeks ago. Michael Hampden-Turner, a credit strategist at Citi, estimates that there could be $400bn of credit derivatives referenced to Lehman.

These contracts will be settled on Friday, and with the recovery value on Lehman bonds currently estimated at about 10 cents on the dollar, the pay-out by banks and other sellers of credit protection on Lehman could reach a gross $360bn.

Anyone who still thinks that the Paulson plan with some $700 billion can safe the world from a crash needs to see a doctor. This was only one bank going under and it triggers payments of half the size of the Paulson plan.

The $360 billion in CDS payments probably triggered by Lehman’s default might well take down some of those who wrote such insurances. That would then trigger additional ‘credit default events’ which would trigger further CDS payments in the hundreds of billions. This could quickly cascade taking down one financial entity after the other.

The numbers involved here are mind numbing. See the tables here for who holds how many of these nuclear time bombs. JP Morgan Chase leads the pack with $8 trillion of CDS in notional value.

Iceland has now seized the last of its three big banks, Kaupthing, and put it into receivership. That will trigger another round of CDS losses, more multi-billions that will have to be payed.

The threat of huge payouts that may trigger more defaults and the threat of additional credit default events is what freezes the interbank credit market and today send the LIBOR-Treasuries spread, the difference between interbank lending risk and the risk of lending to the government, to historic highs.

The fuse is now lit and its is only so long. The only way to stop the danger of an exothermic CDS chain reaction in the financial markets is by executive or legislative means: Declare All Credit Default Swaps Null And Void.

There is court tested precedence for this from the Roosevelt administration. Simply do it.

Comments

are these the payouts after netting out the various hedges, and heddges of hedges, etc…?

Posted by: vikas | Oct 9 2008 17:08 utc | 1

‘notional value’ means absolutely nothing for a few reasons:
1.) most of these positions are netted. If I buy and sell 10 million in of the same credit swap with ten different counterparties, 100 million in total notional value is suddenly outstanding. But nowhere is 100 million at risk. Notional amount outstanding tells us nothing.
2.) the notional value of ALL derivative markets is by definition many times larger than the underlying value at risk. stock options amount to at least 100 times the size of the total number of shares outstanding.
3.)The notional amount of any insurance market is by definition larger than the “at-risk” portion, or no insurance would ever be written at all.
4.) most cds swaps are written on investment grade credits, most have nothing to do with structured finance, and most trade well below 100 bps. You might as well ban trading debt, or trading itself.

Posted by: vaudois | Oct 9 2008 17:35 utc | 2

v 1 v 2 Nevertheless, as the BBC reported today, UK prime minister will use 250 billion pounds to **buy equity positions in UK banks**, “assuring Brits a profit in the future, unlike their American counterparts“.
Paulson has effectively traded away the unfunded portion of our SSTF cash cow retirement entitlement for a handful of beans. Either that, or they’ll have to scrap the American Armada like the Soviets are doing.
“I gotcha radioactive ship-break heah! Red hot deals on plutonium heah!”.
They without SSTF, can you imagine US State nursing homes with 75.8M senile and broke baby boomers?! And the States are all broke anyway! Is Bush proposing a Fed nursing home program?? Or do our kids just dump us off in our wheelchairs outside the shopping malls before opening time??
“Whose that old guy there?” “I don’t know, he was there when we opened.”

Posted by: Ferris Buehler | Oct 9 2008 18:08 utc | 3

are these the payouts after netting out the various hedges, and hedges of hedges, etc…?
Does anyone know anyone who has any information about this?
I am only sue of one thing. Not everyone netted and when there is chain of hedges after hedges, if the last one in the chain folds, the effect runs back the chain.
A buys a bond – B sells insurance to A, bus re-insurance from C – C sells reinsurance to B, buys re-insurance from D – and so on.
F fails to pay out to E who owns D who owns C ….
A chain reaction with unforeseeable consequences as the legal/financial contracts between all thee entities are not unified.
most cds swaps are written on investment grade credits, most have nothing to do with structured finance, and most trade well below 100 bps. You might as well ban trading debt, or trading itself.
What is an ‘investment grade credit’ in these times. A CDO-squared of subprime and credit-card-debt CDOs rated AAA by S&P???
To ban a derivative on trades is very different from baning trades. Derivatives have good reason between real-good seller/buyers in commodity markets. They are neither necessary nor useful (for the economy as a whole) in any other market.

Posted by: b | Oct 9 2008 18:14 utc | 4

To my eyes this is proof that the current crisis is not a liquidity crisis but ratther a solvency crisis. That is why the paulson plan is the wrong medicine. But I am reading that the bailout bill passed by Congress does give the treasury the option to nationalize banks. I have not read the actual bill, but an article in the NYT indicates that capital infusion into banks in exchange for govt held shares is an option that Paulson can exercise.
From the start the Swedish model was the proper model to follow. The British have figured that out. I hope that ideologically free market driven Paulson/Bernanke figure it out soon.

Posted by: ndahi | Oct 9 2008 18:43 utc | 5

It’s going to be Wall Street billionaires, riding along on
their Arabian horses over their 10,000-acre haciendas,
while we trot along behind them, holding our sombreros,
begging El Heife for a job. “I am a good worker, patron!!”
He will sneer down at us, and blow snot onto our sandals.
“Jefe, I am your loyal servant, see!” we’ll lick his snot off.
Ha,ha,ha,ha. Probably not too far from the truth for Baby Boomers.
“Who’s that old geezer in the wheelchair?”
“I don’t know, he was outside when we opened the mall today.”
“Well now what do we do with him? I found two old ladies too!”
“Let’s call in a bomb threat! Nobody’s buying anything anyway.”
Then the nice DHS man will dump you’all and your wheelchairs off
at FEMA headquarters. They’ll roll you into the back of a m’bus
with all the boomers rounded up that week, and drive you down to
Arkansas, where all the black-mold Katrina trailers are parked
in FEMA’s “William Jefferson Clinton Retirement Community.”
Case of cat food and a case of Depends, why, it’s Hog Heaven!!
Stellah!

Posted by: Saran Dipity | Oct 9 2008 18:50 utc | 6

b,
Frankly, in my opinion — and I quite understand others may disagree — bigger bandaids, or even a bunch of temporary socialist opium bandages or moonshine, ain’t gonna heal the fundamental source’s of the financial tsunami: citizen apathy, ignorance, greed, hateful procreation, consumer zombies, regulators that don’t regulate the current regulations, but instead regulate that the current regulations are not regulated, etc.. etc.. a culture of avoiding personal, family, community, social and ecological responsibility, and following the corporate mantra of externalizing the costs; well the fuse on those externalities were lit by all above and while some nanny goverment FDR socialist political or executive action may help reduce the pain; it — in psychology speak terms — won’t get the culprits to take a good long look in the mirror and confront reality: humans are a virus of death on this planet; and unlike other predators, we don’t just eat down the foodchain when we are hungry, us cannibals eat our own kind, no cannibalistically feast on our own kind, and breed (unconsciously for most) with the express intention of cannibalising and enslaving our children as economic, military and psychological (religious) cannon fodder. If there is any truth to reincarnation; from my observations of current behaviour, then I’d venture approximately 6,8 billion people are going to be making many many many more painful lifetime returns to “wake the F**k up!!!”
My position has always been; why spend the next 40 or 50 lifetimes in ignorance and denial avoiding reality; why not just confront it, and get on with it…
So, in that very blunt radical honesty context; I agree with:

“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed.
~ Armigideon Knights: Rep. L. McFadden; Chair: Banking & Currency Committee ~
and

Sadly, we no longer have the will to resist servitude. Our pulpits are too busy preaching a prosperity gospel; newsmen are in bed with the forces they once disdained; statesmen have been replaced with opportunistic, self-serving politicians; and merchants know no god but money. Hence, it is left to a small–and I mean very small–remnant to sound the clarion call for freedom and independence. Unfortunately, few seem to be listening to their cries.

For what it is worth, however, I pledge no loyalty to this emerging New World Order. Neither will I let Lady Liberty die without a fight. I will say it again: the battle today is not between conservatives and liberals or Republicans and Democrats. It is a battle between Americans and globalists. And, Ladies and Gentlemen, I am an American!
~ “To Keep Your Family Safe, and Your Country Free, Go Buy a Gun”, by Chuck Baldwin, Constitution Party 2008 Presidential Candidate ~
and
“A democracy is dangerous because it is a one-vote system as opposed to a Republic, which is a three-vote system. Three votes to check tyranny, not just one. Citizens have not been informed of their other two votes.”
~ Guerrylla Law for Patriots ~

Posted by: JAGCorpSwan | Oct 9 2008 19:09 utc | 7

Anyway, netting was supposed to be the antidote to protracted, destabilizing forensic restructuring. But just talk to the legal profession or their specialized expert support services, and you find out they’re gearing up for… protracted, destabilizing litigation! There’s plenty of malfeasance around to wipe out any hope of netting contracts. The notional value will matter, but the chaos will rise non-polynomially with the number of counterparties and instruments.

Posted by: …—… | Oct 9 2008 19:18 utc | 8

What is an ‘investment grade credit’ in these times. A CDO-squared of subprime and credit-card-debt CDOs rated AAA by S&P???
actually its a plain vanilla bond issued by an ordinary coroporation. take a look at the names in the itraxx index :
http://markit.com/information/products/category/indices/itraxx/asia/matrix/content2Paragraphs/0/document/iTraxxIndicesMatrix.xls
an unsexier group I cannot imagine.
A buys a bond – B sells insurance to A, bus re-insurance from C – C sells reinsurance to B, buys re-insurance from D – and so on.
Great example. Every one of these trades adds to the “notional value” outstanding. None of them adds to the total value at risk. Removing insurance on the one bond at the end of this chain doesn’t destroy the *value* of the original issue. In fact it does absolutely nothing to the likelihood of default. you seem to be assuming that bond value is made up mainly of insurance premium (rather than <100 bps values typical of CDSes.)
I also don't see any practical difference between "banning CDSes" (as if such a thing were possible given the many jurisdictions involved - most CDS trading is in the UK not the USA) and a condition of *total default*!
A practical problem with banning CDS (one of dozens) : they can be synthesized using bond futures & options (as they were before CDSes existed.)

Posted by: vaudois | Oct 9 2008 19:56 utc | 9

They are neither necessary nor useful (for the economy as a whole) in any other market.
Completely false. Do you have any idea how high (and arbitrary) corporate borrowing costs were before interest rate swaps?

Posted by: vaudois | Oct 9 2008 20:02 utc | 10

The tower of private derivatives contracts between financial and corporate entities are all insurance against default, against non-payment of a defined financial outcome.
The “deals” thus contracted upon, well they long ago left off real-world trading like commodities, futures, corporate expansions, and so forth. A great many are simply insurance on outright gambling — certain market positions being at such and such ratio or setting on such and such a date. Or on weather events, like rainfall in North India during the next monsoon. They may have some market-related bearing, to someone. They may not.
If you bet your cousin real money that there will be more goldfish at the north end of the Marriott Hotel koi pond on May 1st of next year, at noon precisely, and you later decide to get a derivatives contract covering you if you lose the bet, hey — it’s your money. Someone will write that contract, for a small fee.
Wall Street, London, Shanghai, Dubai, Frankfurt — every financial outfit in the world has made hundreds of billions in small fees on derivatives over the past decade. Everyone believed they were covered for their losses, if any, which allowed them to put not only ALL their money at risk, but borrow thirty, fifty, eighty times more money than that, and bet it on the market. How could you lose, cousin? How?
In a word, incest. The same people writing derivatives wrote derivatives upon their derivatives positions. The risk of taking on huge derivatives contracts was itself offloaded to others through derivatives contracts.
Derivatives are so intermingled and intermarried and entwined back and forth between financial players that no human being alive can untangle more than one or two levels of a particular contract, especially once it is under duress.
Insolvency cancels the whole orgy in any case. A is obligated to pay B who must pay C who must pay D who must pay E . . . all the way around to A again. If one party in this chain is unable to pay off his contract to another party, the daisy chain is moot, for all practical, real world purposes.
Sure, it’s notional money, paper assets. Except, it is on the books of banks and insurance companies and pension funds and whomever all over the world. They are leaning on this stuff as secured debt, debt that will pay them a bit of money every month for years to come. They are solvent with this stuff considered as real assets. They are way, way bust if it has to be actually, you know, sold on the market, today.
Pumping money into these way, way bust outfits is absurd. You’ll be able to save a mere handful from immolation, but that’s it.
Which is the plan.
Paulson is busy right now pumping up certain banks he likes before the public catches on that this is clearly absurd. The tower of private derivatives contracts is hollow now, and they will all cancel themselves, all over the world. Who the hell are yo going to collect from? No one has the money these things represent.
In the short period of time it takes for everyone to grasp this, the insiders are making off with everything they can.

Posted by: Antifa | Oct 9 2008 20:29 utc | 11

How come the US dollar is benefitting so much by all this?
Should I convert my Canadian dollars to US dollars now?
The petro dollar is gaining strength every day.

Posted by: pb | Oct 9 2008 21:47 utc | 12

In this panicked rundown the danger is that the baby will be thrown out with the bathwater. That is, the angry mob will burn capitalism (the art of creating added value) along with financialsim (the art of creating money from money). We need to shrink back down the latter to its correct proportion and increase the importance of the former.
The only way that I can see this happening is to join with the “let it burn” crowd. Let the great houses of finance collapse in the bonfire, but keep a steady flow of capital to the engines of industry. It might be wisest to take the TARP funds and turn the Fed into the lender of last resort for industry.
What say ye?

Posted by: Obelix | Oct 9 2008 22:01 utc | 13

@13,
I’ll bring the marshmallows.

Posted by: biklett | Oct 9 2008 22:57 utc | 14

@13,14
I’ll bring copies of Friedman’s ‘Capitalism and Freedom’.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 9 2008 23:17 utc | 15

I have a bad feeling that this will be like finally seeing a film you have seen too many trailers for- and realizing that the only good bits were in the trailers.

Posted by: biklett | Oct 9 2008 23:30 utc | 16

@ 13, 14, 15
I’d bring Alan Greenspan, but would have too much trouble keeping him lit.

Posted by: Jemand von Niemand | Oct 10 2008 0:16 utc | 17

@17
Really? I imagine he’d be very, very dry.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 10 2008 0:28 utc | 18

The Decider is going to address the nation tomorrow morning. I’ve been wondering if he’ll be announcing that he’s invoking National Security Directive 51, to whit:
An emergency exists:

“Catastrophic Emergency” means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

with the goal:

(g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation’s economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems

Given that the second point is rapidly degenerating, the condition of the first would seem to be satisfied.
Just saying…

Posted by: Obelix | Oct 10 2008 0:41 utc | 19

In this panicked rundown the danger is that the baby will be thrown out with the bathwater.
What say ye?

I eat babies for breakfast, so I guess capitalism will soon be over; in fact, over there with the garbage of history.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 10 2008 0:47 utc | 20

nikkei down 10%, seoul 9% australia 7%
down, down down
bring out the tumbrils

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 10 2008 0:52 utc | 21

I am not going to try to make sense of all the ways betting has gone bad here.
If I were to formulate a program here it would go something like this:
1. Use the already nationalised banks to set up old-fashioned savings and loans services (because those services I understand). Pay the staff as civil servants.
2. Guarantee ordinary folks deposits – if your banks goes bust you get a new account with the same sum at the new bank.
3. Let the market clear – or crash and burn as might be the case.
Of course any such plan contains an assumption that the rulers rule in the interest of the ruled – a theory which appears a bit flawed. I assume plushtown has some lovely illustration to that.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 10 2008 2:07 utc | 22

i’ll bring the suburbs–all those shit-built developments that spreads like disease begging for the antidote of fire.

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 10 2008 3:19 utc | 23

A handful of “bankers” have as hostage the economy of the world just to protect their own asses and have as convenient but justifiable excuse, protection of shareholders’ interests. The best tool that the government has is to declare these clowns enemy combatants and ship them off to Gitmo starting at the top layer until the bottom layers begin to cooperate. If it only were so. But, it really doesn’t make sense to continue to try to bribe them into working against their own interests, as the stakes apparently are too high and the lies too big to admit. Mr Putin could probably give a few pointers as to what to do.

Posted by: YY | Oct 10 2008 3:55 utc | 24

The failure of Lehman Brothers triggered ‘credit default events’ on bonds Lehman had issued. On Friday an auction will clarify what holders of Lehman bonds might get payed out of the bankruptcy assets. The difference of that value to the face value of the bonds will then have to be payed out by those who sold insurances in form of Credit Default Swaps on Lehman bonds to other parties.

Posted by: Rob | Oct 10 2008 4:07 utc | 25

People still turn to the US dollar as a refuge for their money because it is, in the end, backed by the government of the biggest economy in the world. Even at 0% interest on Treasury bonds, at least your the money will be there when the time comes to move on.
The US may be, soon enough, “the last national government to declare bankruptcy and default on its debts”, but even then, you want your money with that last one to go.
At the bonfire, I shall bring my dog-eared copy of “Atlas Shrugged”, and a King James Bible, and when they are lit I shall sit in the firelight reading “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”
I’m convinced the Republicans read it a lot, too.

Posted by: Antifa | Oct 10 2008 4:38 utc | 26

Toasting marshmallows over “This is John Galt speaking.”
Now there’s an image. S’mores, anyone?

Posted by: catlady | Oct 10 2008 6:36 utc | 27

So b, if I follow correctly what you have described then put it into layman’s terms what has happened is something like this.
A global race meeting has been run lasting 6 plus years from the time Gramm’s bill was enacted.
Everyone bet on their favourite horse in each race but then because they got too scared of the consequences of losing, they bet against themselves by backing every other horse in the race as well.
Each one of those bets has been written up as if it is a sure thing that will pay full tote odds no matter what.
As each race finished bets were dumped on the next race, also spread across the entire field with the banks still keeping all the bets on their books long after the horses had already lost, as if they too will eventually pay out. The time is now 3.30 and there is one more race to be run – after that everyone has to go into the betting ring for the settling up.
Now everyone finally recognises that the only money coming out is that from the horse which wins the last race, but even those holding winning tickets have got no show of winning enough to pay for all the bets they have made during the course of the meeting.
So former big punter turned chief race steward Henry Paulson has succeeded in persuading his mates from the senators bar at the track, that joe taxpayer should cover all losing tickets, something that was agreed to reluctantly because no one wanted to see a kneecapping or worse, no matter how well deserved.
Now Paulson and the punters have pulled their finesse. Joe Taxpayer hasn’t just signed up to pay for the bets that can’t be honoured, now he has to pay out every punter’s winnings on each race, even if the horse didn’t show. Take Eddie the Wheeze – he dropped four Madisons on a 30 to 1 shot that is still running, the thing has got worse lungs than Eddie’s, but now Eddie stands to collect six hunnerd grand off the back of what will soon be a few dozen cans of pet food.
The only question is, will the taxpayers be made to buy the dog roll at a $100 a pop as well?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 10 2008 11:00 utc | 28

Thanks Did, and all…
Always pithy and worth reading yours and others thought on these matters. Speaking of Joe Tax payer, I like how the system even goes so far as to set up that same system in such a way as to have us paying for our own abuse. Of course I’ve said it before, but the following is a new level of methodical institution. Welcome, welcome my friends to…
The Machine (part 1)
Part 2
Otherwise know as the CCRMF, just in time for?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 10 2008 11:20 utc | 29

“will the taxpayers be made to buy the dog roll at a $100 a pop as well?”
Hee-hee-heee!
Who else? Who else? Who else has any money or stuff that hands can be laid upon?
After you pick all the apples off the tree, yet you still have need and greed to satisfy . . .
you go for branch, trunk, and root.
Cows do not give their milk.
Bees do not give their honey.
But if you are wily, and ruthless, and strong,
They are yours for the taking.

Posted by: Antifa | Oct 10 2008 11:29 utc | 30

Connecting the dots?
“John McCain is a Threat to National Security”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 10 2008 11:37 utc | 31

The Big Picture quotes Reuters on todays Lehman CDS auction:

Twenty-two dealers will participate in the auctions, which will determine how much protection sellers will recover after paying out the insurance. The timeline for the auctions follows, according to JPMorgan.
9:45 a.m.-10 a.m. Auction participants will submit bids and offers for the debt backing the credit default swaps, which will be used to determine the initial recovery rate of the swaps.
10:30 a.m. Auction administrators Creditex and Markit will publish the initial recovery price and the open interest for the contracts will be published. The open interest reflects the amount of bids and offers that have been made, and will show if there are more buyers than sellers, or vice versa.
12:45 p.m. -1 p.m. Participating dealers will submit limit orders for the debt on behalf of themselves and their clients to fill the open interest
2 p.m. The final price of the auction will be published.

… guess we’ll know then how bad this is going to get.

Posted by: DharmaBum | Oct 10 2008 11:56 utc | 32

It looks like the US is being ruled by Goldman Sachs! Did Cheney die or something?
Debs, I think it is more like the horses didn’t exist and never ran. A sort of virtual race where there is never any results except the ‘interest’ and ‘fees’…derivatives of whatever kind.
You have the horses running and winning or losing, which means everything is settled up for that one race, and one starts over with a new race ..you have the lost bets kept on the books, I see it…that works. I like mine better though, because it illustrates that whoever can invent, construct, or claim the immaterial winning horses, wins!

Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 10 2008 12:31 utc | 33

Bloomberg Lehman to Spark Record Payout for Credit Swap Sellers (Update1)

Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) — The collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. may force Pacific Investment Management Co. and other sellers of credit-default swaps to make the biggest-ever payout in the $55 trillion market.

The Pimco Total Return Fund had written protection on $105.4 million face amount of Lehman debt as of June 30, according to regulatory filings. Pimco spokesman Mark Porterfield didn’t immediately return a call seeking comment.
A unit of Primus Guaranty Ltd., a Bermuda-based company that has sold more than $24 billion in credit-default swaps, said last month it guaranteed $80 million of Lehman debt. The firm sold protection on $215 million of Fannie and Freddie debt and $16.1 million on WaMu. Yesterday, it said it also had made bets of $68.2 million on Kaupthing Bank hf, which the Icelandic government seized.
Primus said last week it had $820 million in cash and liquid investments to meet claims on the contracts.

I wonder that PIMCO is in the business of writing swaps. Very dangerous.
And look at that Primus thingy in Bermuda: Writes $24 billion in guarantees and has only available
capital of $820 million?
How will they keep their insurance promise if the shit hits the fan?

Posted by: b | Oct 10 2008 13:01 utc | 34

Cost of U.S. Crisis Action Grows, Along With Debt

The 2009 budget deficit could be close to $2 trillion, or 12.5 percent of gross domestic product, more than twice the record of 6 percent set in 1983, according to David Greenlaw, Morgan Stanley’s chief economist. Two weeks ago, budget analysts said the measures might push deficit to as much as $1.5 trillion.
That means a lot more borrowing by Treasury, which will push up interest rates, said Greenlaw. “The Treasury’s going to be ramping up supply dramatically over the course of coming months to meet this enormous federal budget obligation,” Greenlaw told Bloomberg this week. “The supply will trigger some elevation in yields.”

There is now a bond-bubble with bond prices at record high and accordingly their yield at record low.
When the Treasury will issue lots of new bonds, as it has to and will, bond prices will deflate and yields (interest rates) will rise.
Anyone who fled into bonds during the current stock market fall will then experience some losses.

Posted by: b | Oct 10 2008 13:05 utc | 35

This is the beginning of the end…
Today Australian government came out with guaranty of deposits up to $20000.Up to this day I had trust in Australian banks but now I think very seriously I should go on Monday and take my money out ( if I still can).
This is a comment of one Serbian guy who actually works on Wall St.
———
My American and Canadian brothers (and others too) make sure if you can (depending on your circumstances) to have $2-3000 in cash at home at all times. And food, much more then usually, say few cartons of canes of tuna, ham…Make sure when you buy it to be “ good until 2011” or later.

Posted by: vbo | Oct 10 2008 13:33 utc | 36

PIMCO’s CDSs had to be hedged at the portfolio level. If this is any skin off THEIR nose, then I am ready to panic. Otherwise, wake me up when there’s a 23σ intraday move like 87.
This is just a Suez-style shot across the dying empire’s bow. Before this is over, the world at large is going to have to sink the USS AmericanFreedomHorseshitFacade. Whatever it takes will be well worth it.

Posted by: …—… | Oct 10 2008 14:31 utc | 37

Ah. Ten cents on the dollah, CDS writers on the hook for 90% of the Lehman bonds’ value. As of now.

Posted by: …—… | Oct 10 2008 15:22 utc | 38

Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World’s Markets?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 10 2008 18:11 utc | 39

@…—… – yep
Lehman Credit-Swap Auction Sets Payout of 91.38 Cents on Dollar

Sellers of credit-default protection on bankrupt Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. will have to pay holders 91.375 cents on the dollar, setting up the biggest-ever payout in the $55 trillion market.
An auction to determine the size of the settlement on Lehman credit-default swaps set a value of 8.625 cents on the dollar for the debt, according to Creditfixings.com, a Web site run by auction administrators Creditex Group Inc. and Markit Group Ltd.
Based on the results, sellers of protection may need to make cash payments of more than $270 billion, BNP Paribas SA strategist Andrea Cicione in London said.

Some funds may be forced to dump assets to meet the payment demands if they haven’t hedged, BNP Paribas’s Cicione said.
“Banks can go to the Federal Reserve, or use the commercial paper market where it is still functioning” to meet protection payments, said Cicione, who said a 9.75 cent recovery rate would lead to payments of about $270 billion. “But fund managers or hedge funds, once they’ve used their cash, have only one option: to sell assets.”

There may be some significant ‘netting’ where the same folks sold and bought CDS on Lehman debt.
But the amount will still be huge and in current conditions an addition $10 billion payout may kill even a bigger bank.
Hedgies on the wrong side will have to sell everything. That’s why I find a significant stock rebound unlikely.

Posted by: b | Oct 10 2008 18:40 utc | 40