Debate Talk – Moon of Alabama

October 7, 2008

Debate Talk

There is an election competition going on and today is one of those debates that are sold as being important.

By now, I believe, the elite that gives guidance to the media has decided on the winner. Obama will be the next prez of the U.S. people.

His published programs and personal background give too few data points to estimate how he will really act in that capacity. That’s frightening, but it will spare us the nightmare of a Palin regency and may balance the Supreme Court.

Obama may reveal some stands in the debate today. I’m currently traveling and can not follow the debate. Please let us all know your impression of the debate and other thoughts about the election and its consequences in the comments.

Posted by b on October 7, 2008 at 20:51 UTC | Permalink

Comments

We’re fucked.

Posted by: e | Oct 7 2008 20:59 utc | 1

Obama’s first term presidency will serve as an interregnum after which new political parties of the extreme left and right will emerge and then all hell will break loose. Sheer anarchy.

Posted by: Spyware | Oct 7 2008 21:08 utc | 2

I’m not sure it will be Obama.

Posted by: Bradley Effect | Oct 7 2008 21:18 utc | 3

I believe the elite are smart enough to cover their bases and let Americans have a pick between two acceptable candidates.
And Obama will win by a huge margin, because the American people know bush & repubs are bad news, and they only have one other real choice.
But, if Obama will not listen to progressives before the voting, you can bet your last dollar he won’t listen after.
And the racists will go bat-shit crazy and will turn on the media and blame them. They always blame someone.
Of course, the economic hardships will keep them somewhat occupied. And they likely will not allow Obama a second term…… if they allow him to live through the first term.

Posted by: Susan O | Oct 7 2008 21:30 utc | 4

“The elections are to be suspended indefinitely, for the duration of the emergency…”

Posted by: Winston’s Fumbs | Oct 7 2008 22:06 utc | 5

at #5 “The elections are to be suspended indefinitely, for the duration of the emergency…”
Would not the emergency be with dubuya getting offed and cheney becoming the leader of the free world. ?

Posted by: hypo | Oct 7 2008 22:55 utc | 6

I feel fully detached from the entire political process here
in the USA. I know my vote means nothing. The “winner” in the presidential “race” will be installed as per the usual installation process. The whole idea that We the People are electing these sociopathic criminals into public office after our votes are carefully counted and tallied is rather quaint. The idiot polls showing Obama in the lead, or McCain, or both neck and neck — flip-flopping each week to give the effect of a real race is a transparent and feeble attempt at manipulation. Those priming the pump of mass media sputum show an abject lack of intelligence and imagination. Cunning, shrewd, plotting to be sure but there’s zero creativity and credibility in their dumbed-down machinations.

Posted by: James Crow | Oct 7 2008 22:59 utc | 7

I’d like to see some states take on CDW’s that have no delivery of the underlying bond/obligation to be prosecuted as illegal gambling. This would be a good way of getting rid of a good portion of the stuff.

Posted by: YY | Oct 7 2008 23:16 utc | 8

CDW=CDS

Posted by: YY | Oct 7 2008 23:17 utc | 9

Further apology, wrong thread.

Posted by: YY | Oct 7 2008 23:19 utc | 10

what James Crow said. fuck ’em all with a rusty chainsaw.

Posted by: ran | Oct 7 2008 23:32 utc | 11

My prediction: McCain has a stroke or heart attack during the debate and falls to the floor. Obama kicks him in the face and stomach many times and walks off while getting high-fives from everyone. Then I wake up after having fallen asleep listening to the same shit from both of them.

Posted by: biklett | Oct 7 2008 23:47 utc | 12

James Crow @ 7 has it right. If there were a trace of a shadow of a doubt — even a hint of a suspicion — that the President to be intends other than to carry the Empire forward into the world by forcing American economic and military dominance, well . . .
they wouldn’t be in the running by this time tomorrow.

Posted by: Antifa | Oct 7 2008 23:54 utc | 13

hehe. right on biklett

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 7 2008 23:55 utc | 14

Antifa, are you a horror film screenwriter?
But as long as we are being gloomy . . .
Since the next 4 years are going to be a complete, outright, unavoidable political, cultural and economic disaster, we should all vote for McCain.
That way, the Republican party will be completely finished forever.

Posted by: i | Oct 8 2008 1:08 utc | 15

i agree with i. just watched 30 minutes of it and had to shut it off. when you’re more informed about the issues, and could give better answers than either candidate, it’s a waste of time. antifa and james crow are right on.
bring back admiral stockdale and his hearing aid.

Posted by: pp | Oct 8 2008 1:52 utc | 16

Don’t tell Obama and McCain, but the war they are both counting on to make their bones as commander-in-chief — the “good war” in Afghanistan, which both men have pledged to expand — is already lost. Their joint strategy of pouring more troops, tanks, missiles and planes into the roaring fire — not to mention their intention to spread the war into Pakistan — will only lead to disaster.
The Wounded Shark: ‘Good War’ Lost, But the Imperial Project Goes On
by Chris Floyd, Empire Burlesque, Sun 05 Oct 2008
Squandering $700B on S. 3001 (DOD/DOE-Mil Authorization ’09) in present circumstances speaks volumes validating Floyd’s argument. Domesticating our primitive militarized corporate elites, who understand only force, scorn legitimacy and viscerally despise 95% of humanity, is our next order of business.
Their way has failed. Their day in the sun is over. They’re fucked, not us.

Posted by: Pvt. Keepout | Oct 8 2008 1:54 utc | 17

obama: “When genocide & ethnic cleansing occurs, we can’t stand idley by.”
heh.

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 8 2008 2:07 utc | 18

I am wondering just how many meth head racist crazies with guns and blood thirst think mccain and palin are winking at them.

Posted by: aumana | Oct 8 2008 2:27 utc | 19

It was only last April when obama “graced” the mountain college town where i live, and despite my attempt to maintain cynical, i have to admit, back then, the rhetoric sounded good. it was shiny and fresh, and his mere presence had quite an effect on the crowd. for me, the spell wore off quickly, but for that little window of time i thought: what if…
well, what is still being billed as one of the most consequential elections in recent history has morphed, through the lens of massive taxpayer extortion, into the meaningless posturing of two clearly fictitious “opposition” parties. these two parrots are simply playing their roles and echoing their respective talking points because the domestic class war is being ramped up which makes both of them rhetorically impotent. they’ve both already announced fealty to hank. for me, that’s end of story complicity.
if anyone here hasn’t checked out uncle’s link in the OT-32 thread to the alarm naomi wolf is sounding, then you should, because the real story emerging right now is the fascist lock down of this country, not the presidential debate, just like the real story coming out of the RNC should have been the escalation of the police state instead of sarah fucking palin.
troops deployed domestically for the first time since 1807 for “crowd control”? the threat of martial law to turn nay votes for the bailout to sure, why not? there is nothing either corporate orifice can expel that will give the global market any assurance that the greed-driven sociopaths aren’t playing endgame scenarios with billions of lives and hundreds of billions of “dollars” and i expect the markets tomorrow to act accordingly.

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 8 2008 2:54 utc | 20

at least kenya’s govt finally did something sensible – which, the way i see it, puts them pretty far ahead of the u.s.
give these f*ckers the swift boot outta the country
Anti-Obama author kicked out of Kenya

An American author who came to Kenya to discredit Barack Obama was deported on Tuesday night.
Writer Jerome Corsi was arrested shortly after 8am just as he was about to address a news conference to launch his anti-Obama book in Nairobi.
He was taken to the Immigration headquarters at Nyayo House and later deported on the British Airways midnight flight out of Jomo Kenyatta International Airport.
Dr Corsi, author of The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality, which has been heavily criticised worldwide for its inaccuracies, came to Kenya more than a week ago, and had been staying with friends in Runda.
He was due to launch the book, which depicts Mr Obama, whose father was Kenyan, as a sympathiser of radical Islam and communism, at the Laico Regency Hotel.
But he was arrested there before he could speak and driven with an assistant, Mr Timothy M. Bueler, to Nyayo House, around 500 metres away.
The Immigration officials also impounded copies of the Obama book.
…
Kenya features prominently in Dr Corsi’s book, The Obama Nation, which has been seen primarily as a vehicle to run a smear campaign against Mr Obama.
Dr Corsi states early in the book that Kenya will play a key part in his account because “Barack Obama himself tells us that Kenya is an important part of who he is, even today.”
…
Dr Corsi, a well-known right-wing author, used Prime Minister Raila Odinga as a means of attacking Mr Obama on the two fronts of radical Islam and communism.
The Prime Minister, portrayed as a close associate of Mr Obama, is described as “a Muslim sympathiser with well-known communist political roots”.
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The book suggests that Mr Odinga might be a Muslim, even though, as it admits, he “today professes to be an Anglican”.
The book also attacks Obama’s father Mr Barack Obama Snr, who came from Siaya in Nyanza Province and who died in 1982, referring to him as “an alcoholic polygamist” and a Muslim who gravitated to the “more extreme communist position openly advocated by and identified with Oginga Odinga.”
The book distorts Mr Obama’s political views and associations — often by means of inaccuracies — in an attempt to destroy his image as a new-style politician able to bridge cultural, racial and ideological divides.

an earlier rpt mentioned that

A Press invite to Tuesday’s launch read in part: “Dr Corsi will also expose details of deep secret ties between US Democratic presidential candidate Barrack Obama and a section of Kenya Government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency.”

Drama as anti-Obama author is deported

Arrested and detained alongside Corsi at the Libya owned Laico Regency Hotel in Nairobi was a US freelance journalist Thomas Buella.
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Sources at Immigration headquarters told The Standard that Corsi and Buella had their visitors’ passes annulled for violating rules.
“They violated terms of the visitor’s pass by engaging in a business and marketing of his book. They required a special permit to do business,” a top Immigration source said.

Posted by: b real | Oct 8 2008 2:56 utc | 21

whoops, should read maintain my cynicism
also, i hope waldo weighs in on what he thinks of BO now, considering the great hope and his evil nemesis both eagerly tied the giant anchor of toxicity to the taxpayer, completing the biggest transfer of wealth in this country’s short history, putting the entire global house of cards at risk of tumbling.

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 8 2008 3:13 utc | 22

Who ever wins this “contest” will face a greater challenge than FDR. Neither are up to it. Everybody else on earth will suffer.

Posted by: allen/vancouver | Oct 8 2008 3:24 utc | 23

Who ever wins this “contest” will face a greater challenge than FDR. Neither are up to it. Everybody else on earth will suffer.

Posted by: allen/vancouver | Oct 8 2008 3:24 utc | 24

There really are no words.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 3:39 utc | 25

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 8 2008 3:39 utc | 26

Tantalus: uncle and i have been brewing up some words to launch locally, as a viral meme, and it goes something like this:

COLD TURKEY 2009!!!
NO MORE METHADONE FOR WALL ST.
because if our cash is their drug
then it’s time to just
SAY NO!
(4-15-09)

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 8 2008 4:16 utc | 27

As a commenter from another board said, “[We] heard McCain tell us that “Obama and his cronies” are responsible for the economic crash.
That’s called…MEME-REVERSAL.
McCain’s backers are psyops experts and they are pulling out all the counterpropagenda stops.”
they went on to say, “Few Americans realize that the USA (CIA, Pentagon, Wall Street) has been the single biggest obstacle to democacy and human rights around the globe since WWII.” And I wholeheartedly agree. The whole thing was a farce, but much more importantly, a Psyops worthy of edward Benays.
finally he the commenter says, “And it’s pretty obvious that his [McC’s] psychological warfare handlers have decided to hijack Obama’s talking points and go negative to draw blood. But I question if they don’t both have psychological warfare handlers, in fact, I suspect they both do as a plan b for the octopus factions who really are in control. Either way I’m with ‘e’, #1 above, we’re fucked.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 8 2008 4:19 utc | 28

Each time I heard that candid phrase “my friends” slither out of McCain’s mouth, I swore I’d switch it off immediately should I here it again. I think I saw 3-4 more minutes worth of the debate until McCain struck that same dissonant chord, and I faithfully (and obligingly) turned the damn thing off.

Posted by: A | Oct 8 2008 5:30 utc | 29

I watched the debates on PBS. It seems Obama won but much of that win may have to do with the backdrop. Dow goes down a lot in two days. Economic crisis in the world. If I was rich and lost a ton of money in CDOs ,etc, I’d be moving my money into safe havens and would definitely not want a loose cannon like McCain running the economy. Of course the rich aren’t the only ones that vote but I do think they can influence what the public sees to a great extent. Hell they could probably pay McCain to take a fall. Maybe they have.

Posted by: steb | Oct 8 2008 6:14 utc | 30

by kos

Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:46:46 PM PDT
NRO’s Mark Steyn gets email:
“Well I have gone outside and pulled up my Mcain/Palin sign. This election is over. I will vote for Mcain but I know that come Nov. 5 Obama will be our president-elect.
I feel sorry for Sarah Palin. A once promising career will be permanently connected to the landside loss of John McCain.
I weep for my children and their families.”
…………………………………………..
If the lack of hate mail in recent days is any indication, their spirit really is broken. Now’s the time for us to press the advantage and crush their movement for a generation or more.
The question isn’t whether we get complacent. No one around these parts is getting complacent. The question is whether we take full advantage of what is shaping up to be a rout and truly press our advantage. Our enemy is on the retreat. We can’t let them get away and regroup. It’s time to crush them. Throw those anvils and make more Republicans “weep”.

This would be a good FIRST step.

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 8 2008 7:51 utc | 31

Lizard @27
I’ve been telling people “Wright and Ayers in 2012.” Blank looks all round.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 11:01 utc | 32

i couldn’t sit thru more than 20 minutes of the debate. too boring.

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 11:06 utc | 33

“By now, I believe, the elite that gives guidance to the media has decided on the winner.” b, your beliefs, like those of Sarah the patsy Judas goat, are vacuous.
#1 ‘We’re fucked.’ Not if you get up off your knees and stop snivelling you little wuss. Fight back ~ Vote Obama and participate in the democracy that results!
#6 ‘I know my vote means nothing.’ Yeah that’s the attitude that got you Chimpy and where your country is now. Vote McInsane and find out how bad it can get.
Lizard you egg, if I had time to be giving you lessons on everything you need to know, I’d be a learned Professor like the Senator. I thought spreading dis, mis and pisinformation was the precinct of the 101st Cheetoh brigade but Obama had an author kicked out of Iceland while simultaneously running a presidential campaign and looking after his family. Grow the fuck up .
Honestly, this blog has morphed into a bed-wetting whine like Clown Hall ~ wahh, we can’t do nothing cause the world is against us. Immature school children have more panache and optimism. Stop your fucking whining, vote the presidency, then intellectualise imaginatively, organise, and achieve. If it is all bullshit, if the world has conspired to take itself apart, if every politician in the world”s sole purpose in life is to destroy the common man, at least you’ll go down fighting.
First the presidency, then the rest.

Posted by: waldo | Oct 8 2008 12:02 utc | 34

Anna Missed,
Uncle Lizard $cam posted a link to a documentary called Zeitgeist. b deleted it, but the content was worthy of discussion and debate, and pertinent and relevant to the topics covered here at MOA.
I watched the video, and whereas parts of it are hokey, overall, it raises some very valid points and proposes some intriguing solutions.
That should be our next steps. What you are suggesting is more of the same insanity; pretending as though we ever had something and fighting to get it back. We never had anything, so the concept of fighting to retrieve something we’ve never had is tantamount to searching for the lost Ark of The Covenant. It’s absurd futility.
It’s time for a reality shattering paradigm shift. I know I’m ready, but I’m not sure about the rest.

Posted by: My Friends | Oct 8 2008 12:22 utc | 35

to i
– Since the next 4 years are going to be a complete, outright, unavoidable political, cultural and economic disaster, we should all vote for McCain.
That way, the Republican party will be completely finished forever –
I don’t care at all about the Rep. party but really 8 years of such crap is more than enougth
12 is too much for everyone

Posted by: ursun | Oct 8 2008 12:53 utc | 36

Waldo, in no other advanced society would you find a spectacle of such utter vacuity as last night’s debate. Whining? What else did we hear from those two posturing windbags? Whingeing and whining about digs at each others’ voting record. Where was the substance? When did either candidate actually answer a question that was put to them? When did either candidate make the effort to show any real empathy for the voting public?
Leaving aside the utter drivel, lies and disinformation about every single aspect of foreign policy, what we got was a shockingly honest expose of the hollowness at the heart of the current American political system.
You must be crying inside, Waldo, and all the Waldos out there. Or do you really not give a fuck?

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 12:58 utc | 37

And over on Kos, btw, who’s responsible for that festering dead sheep of a debate?
Tom Brokaw.
Really, y’all are going to get the government you deserve. Oh, you already have it.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 13:10 utc | 38

That’s being dishonest, ursan. It’s been much longer than 8 years, and the crap is the result of a bipartisan consensus mandated by the Plutocracy that goes back much further than Dubya, and includes the Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing, Clinton.
And Waldo, give me a break. Obama the Professor. He’s unimpressive. He may appear acceptable when juxtaposed against the caricatures of McInsane and Saracuda, but he’s stiil just a superficial, lackluster, boring Establishment Lackey. He’s hardly someone to get excited about if you have a radically progressive bone in your body.
If growing up is acquiescing, and conforming to the status quo, which I believe is your implication, intended, or not, then I prefer, metaphorically speaking, to remain a 44 yr. old adolescent, thank you. Where you see hope, I see dogshit with lipstick.
You’re not a fighter, Waldo, you’re a clueless salesman for trendy, chic Empire versus the brutal shit-in-your-face brand, that’s all.

Posted by: Bubba | Oct 8 2008 13:15 utc | 39

to Bubba
– That’s being dishonest, ursan. It’s been much longer than 8 years, and the crap is the result of a bipartisan consensus mandated by the Plutocracy that goes back much further than Dubya, and includes the Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing, Clinton –
do not care about Rep. Dem. any other party,
am not trying to analyse their motvation
do not care about consensus, do not know anything about Dubya, I just look at the faces
if a person still looks human (at least fractionally or residually) it’s a positive sign
othervise any analysis is meaningless
what’s dishonest about it?

Posted by: ursun | Oct 8 2008 13:35 utc | 40

we should all vote for McCain.
That way, the Republican party will be completely finished forever.
yawn
how many ways can we say everything’s fucked?
i’m still voting for obama.
lol, my payback on this thread should be really enjoyable.

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 14:00 utc | 41

Annie,
Voting for Obama is certainly one way of saying everything’s fucked…

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 14:31 utc | 42

so is not voting, or voting for mcCain.

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 14:39 utc | 43

we should all vote for McCain.
That way, the Republican party will be completely finished forever.
I had simular thoughts at one time, however, I then realized we will then have the Dems!
Which would be worse!…lmao!
Indeed, annie, I voted yesterday (absentee vote, which is another story in and of itself)for OHB, but would have voted Cynthia Mckenny had she had a snowballs chance in death valley.
Someone buy Tantalus @ #37 a drink!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 8 2008 14:43 utc | 44

we all get to have a say in who we want to fuck us.
i’d rather fuck obama anyday than mcCain. not getting fucked is not an option. even if you live in timfuktu

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 14:45 utc | 45

i should have said binfuktu
can you tell what kind of mood i’m in?

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 14:48 utc | 46

I had simular thoughts at one time
i remember uncle, circa 04 was it?

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 14:52 utc | 47

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

Posted by: vbo | Oct 8 2008 15:03 utc | 48

Thanks, Uncle! Mine’s a pint of domestic scotch, with a straw, and hold the ice…

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 8 2008 15:56 utc | 49

thank you waldo for not disappointing. i was hoping maybe you were capable of responding to something specific i said, but obviously that’s not possible.
i think the situation in this country is more dangerous than most people are willing to acknowledge. I also think obama is fully aware of how bad the situation could get, and to ensure his family is protected, is going along with this charade.
hope for the best, vote, believe it’s possible obama is a secret progressive, or that a few supreme court appointments will lessen the sliding trajectory we’re on, but be practical and start preparing for the worst, if only mentally, so it’s not a traumatic surprise when the next false flag attack hits denver, or portland, and the troops come home with orders to occupy amerikan cities.
waldo: it’s a good thing you don’t live in this country, because things are just getting started. there are too many christians lusting for rapture, new agers waiting expectantly for 2012, conspiracy theorists convinced of an omnipotent elite, and spiritually empty amerikan consumers trapped in soul-sucking cubicles hoping for collapse for the elite–who are not all powerful, but are in fact mortally scared of the power of the people, which is why they wage wars of incarceration against us– not to try and give us what we want.

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 8 2008 16:11 utc | 50

Like Bradley at 3 I’m still not 100% convinced. There might be some surprises…
Palin – what a disaster. Realclear politics (scroll down a little for graph) shows the bounce McC got from her, soon died.
link
I guess the fix is in. Obama is a respectable face, brings hope of renewal, a new direction, etc. ; McC has never had much Repub support – they may prefer to throw this election. Palin as the cartoon creature who keeps the whole process seemingly thrilling, raises all kinds of issues ppl can argue about, etc. will be able to retire in shallow glory to the Alaskan night.
The rest of the world (except Israel) is rooting for Obama, and that counts at present, some new image gloss is needed and McC ain’t it. To prove that US democracy is alive and vibrant, nothing better than a young ‘black’, on a new ‘track’, closing Gitmo, etc. etc.
Ok these ppl are figureheads, actors, puppets, beholden. Reality TV, sure. Still, Obama has more self control than McC.

Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 8 2008 18:39 utc | 51

I only listened to a few minutes of the debate, on my car radio. I thought both candidates sounded nervous, uneasy–the paranoid image that ran through my head was that they had guns trained on their heads from backstage, lest they say anything that might actually make a difference.
I was on my way to an open mic at a local coffee-shop. Three twenty-somethings were curled up on a couch, watching the debate on a laptop, groaning and commenting. After it was over, I asked them, “Who won?” One young man replied, “I can tell you who lost: us.” The girl told me she thought they sounded on edge.
After that, I had a chance to share music with about eight clear-voiced, open-hearted singers, in a space devoted to putting the singers up front, where the audience drank coffee, tea, beer, wine, and chatted quietly or gave their full attention to the music. Lovely.

Posted by: catlady | Oct 8 2008 19:02 utc | 52

they had guns trained on their heads from backstage, lest they say anything that might actually make a difference.
That about sums it up.

Posted by: W. A. Seala | Oct 8 2008 19:36 utc | 53

that last paragraph sounds like my kinda night. wish i was there catlady.

Posted by: annie | Oct 8 2008 20:36 utc | 54

Lizard,
I’ll let you into a not very secret secret. Atrios predicted this melt down and it’s causes over 12 months ago. I found his arguments credible and started warning market-playing friends around that time. Even good friends laughed at me. They’re not laughing now.
Around the same time I wrote to the Wizard of Whimsy and assured him Obama would be president and that things would improve. He admired my optimism.
Five years ago I was writing to Mischa from the anti idiotarian rottweiller (after getting severely fragged at his site, we wrote in email) and I told him that he would regret Bush. Drop in to that site (wear protective clothing) and see what they think of Bush now.
The world is not going to end because of the current financial crisis, or because of backwood religio crazy VP candidates or anything fucking else. America’s and the world’s situation can turn on a dime given the right leadership. There is unlimited potential to be tapped given the right leadership. The crazies can be put in their place (preferably quiet and secluded) by the right leadership.
In the meantime, providing a venue that encourages people to surmise “Who ever wins this “contest” will face a greater challenge than FDR. Neither are up to it. Everybody else on earth will suffer….Where you see hope, I see dogshit with lipstick….new political parties of the extreme left and right will emerge and then all hell will break loose. Sheer anarchy….You must be crying inside” is like Sean Hannity encouraging Jew haters to smear Obama ~ Totally unproductive, completely wrong, and pathetic in the extreme.
First the presidency then the rest. OBAMA IN ’08

Posted by: waldo | Oct 9 2008 0:24 utc | 55

And then, take a look at this guy ~ http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/Jim_Martin1.jpg
No superman, right?
… former Georgia Representative Jim Martin, the Democratic nominee for Senate, at first glance seemed an uneasy fit for an increasingly reddening state — pro-choice, pro-civil liberties, pro-environment, pro-gay rights, pro-labor and pro-affirmative action. Early polling confirmed a solid Chambliss lead, and his day of reckoning seemed distant.
Read the article ~ http://www.dailykos.com/, understand that hope is not always unrealistic, get off your whiny asses and Vote Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 9 2008 0:52 utc | 56

waldo@55
There is unlimited potential to be tapped given the right leadership.
I really like the above. As well as your other contributions. And FWIW, if the worst should ever occur, I think every one here would be very thankful to have a neighbor like you.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Oct 9 2008 0:53 utc | 57

😉
ok, i’m ready for a double shot of whiskey. i’d be thankful to have a neighbor like you waldo! jony too. you’re so cool.
back to our regular programming about how we’re all screwed, coming right up.
if rape is inevitable….

Posted by: annie | Oct 9 2008 1:35 utc | 58

Someone buy Tantalus @ #37 a drink!
he’d feel better if he was drunk. round for the house!

Posted by: annie | Oct 9 2008 1:39 utc | 59

Hey, quit stealing my thunder. I said whiny first..you’re biting off me. Get your own material.
There is unlimited potential to be tapped given the right leadership.
That’s what Hitler said, and Stalin. Don’t ever trust anyone who holds out the carrot. Waldo says elect Obama first and then the rest will come. Bullshit. The rest will never come. Obama’s a handmaiden to the established Plutocracy every bit as much as McCain, he’s just wearing a darker colored costume and promises to give you novacaine before extracting your soul. No novacaine with McCain, but it doesn’t matter when your absent a soul.

Posted by: Phil Gramm | Oct 9 2008 1:50 utc | 60

thank you professor waldo for taking this ignorant egg back to school. i hope to one day hatch to become a mature chicken like yourself.
The world is not going to end because of the current financial crisis, or because of backwood religio crazy VP candidates or anything fucking else. America’s and the world’s situation can turn on a dime given the right leadership
not end, waldo, maybe evolve, if we’re lucky, but don’t underestimate the desire of the 1%-ers to control and cull when necessary.
COLD TURKEY 2009

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 9 2008 2:25 utc | 61

Democracy?
States’ Actions to Block Voters Appear Illegal

States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and remove the names of voters who should no longer be listed; but for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.
…
In addition to the six swing states, three more states appear to be violating federal law. Alabama and Georgia seem to be improperly using Social Security information to screen registration applications from new voters. And Louisiana appears to have removed thousands of voters after the federal deadline for taking such action.
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In the year ending Sept. 30, election officials in Nevada, for example, used the Social Security database more than 740,000 times to check voter files or registration applications and found more than 715,000 nonmatches, federal records show. Election officials in Georgia ran more than 1.9 million checks on voter files or voter registration applications and found more than 260,000 nonmatches.
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In three states — Colorado, Louisiana and Michigan — the number of people purged from the election rolls since Aug. 1 far exceeds the number who may have died or relocated during that period.
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major voter registration drives have been held this year in Colorado, which has also had a significant population increase since the last presidential election, but the state has recorded a net loss of nearly 100,000 voters from its rolls since 2004.
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In Michigan, some 33,000 voters were removed from the rolls in August, a figure that is far higher than the number of deaths in the state during the same period — about 7,100 — or the number of people who moved out of the state — about 4,400, according to data from the Postal Service.
In Colorado, some 37,000 people were removed from the rolls in the three weeks after July 21. During that time, about 5,100 people moved out of the state and about 2,400 died, according to postal data and death records.
In Louisiana, at least 18,000 people were dropped from the rolls in the five weeks after July 23. Over the same period, at least 1,600 people moved out of state and at least 3,300 died.

Posted by: b | Oct 9 2008 4:49 utc | 62

it’s gotten to the point that if you aren’t well versed in the nuances of your state’s election laws, then you will be much more susceptible to the ever-morphing strategies of voter suppression; that the trauma of experiencing foreclosure (losing your recognized address) is being exploited by rethugs in places like michigan to purge eligible voters is a virtual kick in the balls after you’ve already knocked the guy out with a sucker punch.

Posted by: Lizard | Oct 9 2008 5:10 utc | 63

annie, heres whats going on in the GOP neighborhood:
Former governor Milliken backs away from McCain
my comments:
another thing, thats too often overlooked is that a Northern Democrat may be about to become President — the first since Kennedy,
and Obama is too steeped in Chicago politics not to understand that the wing-nuts are going to try to take him apart (putting it very nicely). Unlike Carter though he will be ready to return the favor.
and as the “old-school” Republicans start to view Obama as someone they can work with & trust, the GOP fragments even more.
yet Another thing thats also overlooked is that an Obama victory may mark the beginning of the end for the “Southern Strategy” and theres quite a few Republicans who will say — good riddance. Down-ticket Democrats in the South are about to get a huge treat on Nov 4 (as Obama picks up Georgia & maybe a few more Southern states) and most of these guys/ladies are quite “progressive”.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Oct 11 2008 5:39 utc | 64

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