Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 26, 2008
Action Is Needed For Real Change

The Real News Network is a fine new medium and Jay Paul is doing real good in building it up.

Here is his recent series of interviews with Howard Zinn.

In the first segment, Zinn says one should vote for Obama. But he makes a very important additional point.

Voting for Obama will only bring change if there is constant, huge pressure on him to really move towards real change. Such pressure will require a social movement and direct civil action to have some relevance.

Obama will only end the wars if some anti-war movement gets loud again. He will only raise taxes on the rich if there is public pressure to do so. He will only stop giving taxpayer money to the owners of the banks if there is civil action to pressure him to instead hand the available money to those in need.

When did Obama ever talked about the poor? He talked about the ‘middle class’. When did he talked about the poor?

Zinn sees the current situation comparable to the 1930s. Only direct action, labor strikes and civil disobedience moved FDR to implement the programs he implemented.

The good thing about this recession is that the indignation level of people may actually rise to a point to pressure Obama to really do something sensible. It still will need a lot of agitation and activism to counter the usual slump in activity after the election and to turn that indignation into pressure. Obama will do nothing significant, if he is not pressured from the street to do do so.

Think about that and what you probably could do after the election and prepare for now.

Zinn’s advice is not only to U.S. people. Obama has been hailed as the savior in European media. This to give him leverage to ask, for example, for more European troops for the senseless war in Afghanistan. Only an increase in action to counter such moves, real public pressure, will lead to a real change of course.

Any action will have to start soon after the election as it might decide about the selection of various ministers or secretaries. If you do not want Dennis Ross as sec-state, be ready to have an argument against him and voice it loud. If you do not want another former Goldman Sachs CEO as sec-treasury (Rubin) be ready to have an argument against him and voice it loud.

Be ready to take the streets over these issues. Be ready to ask other to also take to the streets and have an argument ready to convince them to do so.

Comments

b,
first the CDs, now this call for action. Yours is one of the few I actually look forward to reading.

Posted by: IntelVet | Oct 26 2008 20:38 utc | 1

Indeed, “vote Obama, without illusions” is one thing I’ve heard recently that is pithy enough to make sense. In addition what we need is an two front all out concerted effort to organize the dismantlement of the FEC and the CPD (Commission on Presidential Debates). Until we do that we will be forever locked into the choices they give us, which is no choice at all.
Coke or Pepsi.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 26 2008 21:01 utc | 2

At one point John McCain was doing a decent job of presenting the message that he was the right person to bring about change. But he blew that image by taking on a running mate who is only capable of effecting change in her wardrobe.
And in the end, Obama will have to arrange himself with the Washington power brokers (as he seems to have done already) and may well wind up changing things less than McCain, but at least he will keep Sarah Palin out of the White House for at least four more years…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 26 2008 21:04 utc | 3

Franklin D. Roosevelt:
“I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.”

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 26 2008 22:12 utc | 4

When did he talk about the poor?
b, there are no poor people in America. No one would even accept the label, it is shameful. Obama knows better than to talk about people who are sleeping under bridges or in cardboard boxes. Everyone, be it dems or reps, believes those folks to be lazy and worthy only of scorn.

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 26 2008 22:28 utc | 5

We’re now in the subliminal phase. Be careful what you watch on TV, they will use subliminal messaging. Videotape everything and if you blink and see a subliminal message, capture it and upload the evidence. Don’t let them steal the elections,
please use your graphic skills to create messaging and get it out there this week!
Divide Our Nation
Pawn Shop Nation

Posted by: Pierre Lafite | Oct 27 2008 0:21 utc | 6

Wheels <-- Chariot --> Wheels
Kidnappings impede Afghanistan’s economic growth
Tom Blackwell, National Post Published: Friday, October 24, 2008
KABUL, AFGHANISTAN — Lah Lagha’s 15-year-old son is safe now, freed from his kidnappers after a bizarre swap of hostages between police and abductors. But the currency trader cannot easily forget the incident eight months ago: the kidnappers keep phoning him from prison.
“Every week, they give me a warning: ‘When we come out, we’ll see you,'” said Mr. Lagha. “They present two options: ‘I can come to see you and kill you. The other is you come to the prison and pardon us.’ ”
Up and down the aisles of Kabul’s bustling money changer’s bazaar — a low-tech financial nerve centre where bulging stacks of cash are traded back and forth — almost everyone has such a tale.
One trader recounts how he and his brothers, all unarmed, fought off kidnappers even as they shot at them. The head of the bazaar was abducted himself. The day before Mr. Lagha told his story, the son of a top bank executive was snatched.
As if the growing insurgency and related violence were not enough, kidnapping of business people and their children for ransom in Afghanistan has become an epidemic in the past two years, and it is having a devastating effect on the country’s fragile economy.
In the initial euphoria after the Taliban’s defeat in 2001, private investment grew steadily to $1.2-billion in 2006. But it slid to $646-million in 2007 and has plummeted even further this year, reaching only $316-million by September, according to the Afghan Investment Support Agency.
“When a businessman does not have freedom and his life is not secure, how can they invest?” asked Mohammad Qurban Haqjo, CEO of the Afghan Chamber of Commerce and Industries. “Security is a very, very crucial challenge.”
In Kandahar province, where Canada has been the lead NATO force since 2006, kidnapping of the wealthy started earlier and has had a dramatic impact, said Mohammad Naseem, a local businessman. Of 128 new factories that opened from 2002 to 2004, all but two have closed in the face of growing violence, he said.
“I have many friends whose sons were kidnapped, who were kidnapped themselves,” said Mr. Naseem, who moved his own family to Dubai recently. “Ninety-eight per cent of the business community is out, or doing business from outside…. There is no economy in Kandahar.”
Businesses in Herat province, home to many of the country’s wealthiest individuals and previously considered relatively safe, closed their doors for several days last week in protest against the kidnapping scourge – and the lack of police response to it.
The official figures say that 118 business people have been kidnapped so far this year in just Kabul and Herat, but that is likely an low estimate, as many Afghans deal directly with abductors and never involve the authorities, said Mr. Haqjo.
In the face of complaints that the police either do nothing about abductions or are complicit in them, the Afghan Interior Ministry announced this week it was forming a new anti-kidnapping agency.
Entrepreneurs face other obstacles, too. They include time-consuming red tape, inconsistently applied tax laws, corruption and a government that seems suspicious of private enterprise generally, said Simran Kaur Lohnes, deputy head of the Afghan Investment Support Agency.
But the German expatriate, like others, is still enthusiastic about the country’s potential. It is rich in mineral resources – one of the world’s largest iron ore deposits was just discovered – has a strong agricultural history and could become a competitor to China in making low-end consumer goods, she said.
Aid from foreign nations and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) makes up about 40% of Afghanistan’s legal GDP now, but “NGO activity has totally failed,” said Ms. Lohnes.
“We don’t need more NGOs that are coming here, starting projects and then the funding runs out and they’re gone. That is useless. We need private-sector activity that ideally works on a low-end manufacturing level.”
A visit to the money-exchange bazaar, though, underlines at least one reason why the private-sector potential is leaking away. In the shops that line the market and the crowds of people who mill about outdoors, millions in cash are exchanged or lent out weekly under the age-old hawala system.
But the criminal threat hangs over it like a cloud.
Mr. Lagha’s first encounter with kidnappers came in 2003, when five armed men grabbed him just outside his home. He was knocked unconscious but, as the kidnappers were driving away, they found $20,000 on him and unceremoniously tossed the businessman out of their vehicle.
Then eight months ago, someone grabbed his son as he was walking home from an English class, demanding $200,000 in ransom. Luckily, Mr. Lagha had a close link to a senior police officer and used the connection to get the authorities to take action, a rare event.
They tracked down the abductors, took two of their sons into custody, then arranged a trade of hostages.
Last year, Haji Haroun Hakeemi, another money changer, was heading to work with his four brothers when a black Toyota Land Cruiser – the type of vehicle Cabinet ministers and foreign officials tend to use – pulled in front of them. But instead of officials inside, it was kidnappers who tried to wrestle one of the brothers into their truck.
They opened fire in the ensuing struggle, hitting one brother in the leg. But they managed to thwart the abduction.
“For the past three months, things have been getting worse,” said Obeidalah, another money changer, who goes by just one name. He said any business person who does not have family tying him down to Afghanistan has already left the country, taking his money with him. “No one can work properly with a calm mind.”
“If I had the chance and I had the money, I would not see another week here,” said Mr. Lagha.
“I have love for my country, I would like to stay in my country … [but] how can you work, how can you invest in a situation like this, when everyone is worried about their son or daughter?”
National Post
tblackwell@nationalpost.com

Posted by: Shah Loam | Oct 27 2008 2:17 utc | 7

When did Obama ever talked about the poor? He talked about the ‘middle class’. When did he talked about the poor?
Poor people don’t vote.
Now, but barely presently, the poor in America misidentify as middleclass. This is so because, if means-tested indigent (below $12k annual income), the poor qualify for foodstamps, section 8 public housing (where you can get it, not Manhattan, but Queens), medicaid (very good insurance, but very limited choice), and OASHDI federal subsidy or SSI state/federal income transfer income. Not bad, really.
Immigrant worker=screwed and poor.
Working poor and disabled? Screwed & poor.
Aside from immigrants, O does a faily OJK, if oblique job, at addressing concerns of working poor.
Hope, baby.

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 27 2008 3:08 utc | 8

inner city press: At UN, Chomsky and Ramsey Clark Advise Nicaraguan Assembly President

UNITED NATIONS, October 26 — A mix of leftists like Noam Chomsky and socialites like Michael and Eleonora Kennedy have quietly been named special senior advisors to UN General Assembly President Miguel d’Escoto Brockman, Inner City Press has learned. On October 22, Inner City Press asked the spokesman for d’Escoto, Enrique Yeves, to confirm that Canadian leftist Maude Barlow had been named an advisor on water. Yeves said yes, and that her name and others had never been announced. Inner City Press asked for a list of advisors, which has now been received.
Beyond Chomsky, Slobodan Milosevic defender Ramsey Clark and historian Howard Zinn are among those formally advising d’Escoto, a Nicaraguan priest who previously served as the Sandinistas foreign minister. … The list of 15 outside advisers, and three from within the UN, includes liberation theologian Leonardo Boff — but not his brother Gustavo — and Brother David Andrews of the National Catholic Rural Life Conference, doctor Kevin Cahill, former Algerian foreign minister Mohammed Bedjaoui and Belgian sociologist Francois Houtart.

From the list provided to Inner City Press:
SPECIAL SENIOR ADVISORS TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE 63RD SESSION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY
1. Brother David Andrews CSC (USA)
2. Ms. Maude Barlow (Canada)
3. Mr. Mohammed Bedjaoui (Algeria)
4. Mr. Leonardo Boff (Brazil)
5. Mr. Kevin Cahill (USA)
6. Mr. François Houtart (Belgium)
7. Mr. Noam Chomsky (USA)
8. Mr. Ramsey Clark (USA)
9. Mr. Richard Falk (USA)
10. Mr. Michael Kennedy (USA)
11. Ms. Eleonora Kennedy (USA)
12. Mr. Olivier De Schutter (Belgium)
13. Mr. Joseph Stiglitz (USA)
14. Sir John E. Sulston (UK)
15. Mr. Howard Zinn (USA)

Posted by: b real | Oct 27 2008 4:20 utc | 9

I’ve already done my first draft on the “Okay, the election is History. What now?” essay.
Seriously, the very very first thing is to force Congress & Obama to immediately end any campaign contributions that aren’t made by living, breathing citizens. At the same time lobbying should be defined as a citizen meeting with a Congressional in their Washington or home office, and nowhere else.
Unless we can get their heads out of their asses/corporate trough, meaning they become wholly dependent on the citizenry, these things that made some changes in the 1930s aren’t going to work much more today. Remember, those things were done, and we are right back where we were. Cutting out the corporate money/lobbying changes the whole game radically, and is something that should have been done 75 years ago.
Do this, and citizen demonstrations and exercise of petitions to redress grievances will really survive the flim-flams that we’ll get otherwise. We should start working on this no later than Nov 5th, 4pm.

Posted by: jim p | Oct 27 2008 4:56 utc | 10

immediate plans of action needed are what to do [a] to prevent another election theft and [b] how to collectively stop it if attempted
Obama’s lead drops to five points in US race

Democrat Barack Obama’s lead over Republican rival John McCain has dropped to five points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.
Mr Obama leads Mr McCain by 49 per cent to 44 per cent among likely US voters in the daily tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points.
Mr Obama’s lead has dropped over the last three days after hitting a high of 12 points on Thursday.
“Things are trending back for McCain. His numbers are rising and Obama’s are dropping on a daily basis. There seems to be a direct correlation between this and McCain talking about the economy,” pollster John Zogby said.

Posted by: b real | Oct 27 2008 5:16 utc | 11

I continue to appreciate Tom Hayden’s endorsement of the Obama “movement” and from all I hear, there is no plan to dismantle the grassroots network post election. That gives me hope.
On election theft – I do think the McCain campaign with their attacks on Acorn, etc is trying to position claims of election theft. The good news is that the Obama campaign has mobilized a massive election protection campaign, training an incredible number of attorneys to be in place at key locations and they are already taking legal action to thwart pre-election nonsense from the Repubs … I don’t think we’ll see any of the give up approach of Gore and Kerry this time.

Posted by: Siun | Oct 27 2008 6:04 utc | 12

“Voting for Obama will only bring change if there is constant, huge pressure on him…” ) Crap. What a real president, an honest president, an intelligent president needs is support. It’s not enough that you’ve been slagging him for months, now you’re dictating his schedule and agenda and if he doesn’t jump high enough for Massa b, he’ll take the streets!
“Obama will only end the wars if some anti-war movement gets loud again.” Bullshit Supporting President Obama by organising popular support for the voicing of anti-war sentiment is all that is required.
“When did he talked about the poor?” You obtuse clown. Every tenet of Obama’s election campaign has equality as its central platform. There has never been a president with more authentic motivation to prove and verify America’s claims of ‘liberty for all’ and ‘all men are created equal”.
“Only direct action, labor strikes and civil disobedience…”.You utter dork. Where were you with these stirring strategies when chimpy was fucking you up the ass?
“The good thing about this recession is that the indignation level of people may actually rise to a point to pressure Obama to really do something sensible”
Obama doesn’t need your self-serving indignation. He’s already said he’s working for all Americans.
“Think about that and what you probably could do after the election and prepare for now.”
Finally a sensible suggestion but with the totally wrong motivation and impetus. Why this site now feels itself worthy, after months of inane supposition- based criticism, to be the advocate of coercing the future president into enacting the platform he has been espousing for years can only spring from an adolescent mind obsessed with its own political omniscience.
“Be ready to take the streets over these issues.” b, I want to see pictures of you at the forefront of twenty anti-chimp rallies or you can kiss the web’s collective ass.
Support future-president Obama. There’s going to be plenty of slime-bags attacking, hindering and attempting to pervert his agenda without unsupportive narcissists doing an Ashley Todd to gain their five minutes of notoriety.

Posted by: waldo | Oct 27 2008 9:26 utc | 13

@Waldo – Have you ever listend to Genesis’ One For The Vine? Lyrics, youtube – fits the situation …

Posted by: b | Oct 27 2008 11:21 utc | 14

immediate plans of action needed are what to do [a] to prevent another election theft and [b] how to collectively stop it if attempted

not sure what, if anything, can be done wrt a). However, from everything I’ve seen (I’ve been working for dems in Bernalillo county, NM’s “hearbeat”) dems are best prepared for repub shenanigans since I’ve been watching closely (2k).

Obama’s lead drops to five points in US race

I don’t know about that. We’ll see more data later today. However from dem field offices, participation in GOTV (dems here and in Co. have literally saturation level volunteers… many, many more people on the ground than needed. In precinct I manage, we’ve have had duplicate efforts from at least 4 separate well prepared GOTV groups. I’ve never seen anything like it.
In my precinct alone, just in last 3 weeks, we’ve had very large flip to our side of previously committed repub/McCain registered voters, a group which had remained steady until then throughout this cycle. Hearing the same thing from virtually every captain in ABQ. And word from offices in every other swing state saying exactly the same thing.
No letdown or cruise to finish line evident that I’ve seen, but certainly confidence… strong confidence, and good reason for it.
45k people @ Obama’s rally here Saturday. 100k+ in Denver yesterday.
There’s been a few blurbs in polling over last 10 days suggesting McCain closing the gap, only to have overwhelming data in the other direction w/in 24 hrs. Everything I see suggests, if anything, momentum towards Obama.
But I completely agree w/you…

Voting for Obama will only bring change if there is constant, huge pressure on him to really move towards real change. Such pressure will require a social movement and direct civil action to have some relevance.

We talk about that a lot here… an awful lot.
Big this is, AFAIC, there’s little to go on from his campaign, advisors, or stump speeches that provided reliable map where, exactly, Obama’s headed on critical issues. For every Dennis Ross, there’s a Richard Holbrooke. For every Robert Rubin, a Warren Buffett.
Until Obama broke well ahead, I’ve pushed hard for more specifics from him… I do have questions. However, seeing pre-pubescent level McCain & conservative media heads took the dialogue, seems to me he’s been wise in avoiding specifics… why give fodder to parsing & spinning pundits who really don’t give a rip about anything other than winning-the-count?
Personally, I’m encouraged & more optimistic than you’ve been in your recent postings. I do think Obama’s got the right stuff. We’ll see.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 27 2008 12:08 utc | 15

b, I’ve been playing music professionally for 42 years. Where are those pictures of brother b out front at the anti- chimp demos?

Posted by: waldo | Oct 27 2008 12:27 utc | 16

Waldo,
My personal measure of ‘change’ under the next new president, whomsoever that might be, is how many children are murdered by American ordinance in, say, the first year of their term.
In the light of the present moral obscenity taking place right in the very corner of this country’s field of vision, it’s disingenuous of you to come here and accuse MoAers of cynicism. If you – or anyone else – can promise me that Obama will put an end – a cold stop – to the butchering of children and innocent civilians in the name of the USA, I will start talking about hope.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 27 2008 12:38 utc | 17

Tantalus: This guy has been coming here on a regular basis and throwing hissy fits because we refuse to become an echo chamber for his good guys v. bad guys fantasies. Happened last election, too, when our final hope was supposed to be Kerry who would think the unthinkable, do the undoable and eff the ineffable.
He knows he isn’t going to proselytize the masses here and the sheer persistence of the peurile talking points is making me start to suspect he’s on a payroll. If this guy is genuine about wanting nothing more than an echo chamber for his worldview, there are plenty of them out there. I find it curious that he hasn’t moved on to one of them yet.
The only part that truly surprises me is that people keep responding to these guys. It only makes the shills shrill. I just read them, shake my head and move on.

Posted by: Monolycus | Oct 27 2008 14:34 utc | 18

I know, Mono, I know… I suppose I’m not really responding to him, just raising my voice against the idiot static. I should probably desist.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 27 2008 14:46 utc | 19

if waldo’s a shill (which I personally doubt), its clear whoever sent him wanted their very best guy on MoA and we should be honored.
b.
and it would’nt hurt to have waldo author a thread on Nov 6 or 7

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Oct 27 2008 15:18 utc | 20

Where’s Waldo? was a big hit during the Clinton years. I suspect we’ll be playing that again in a couple of months. I’m impressed by Obama in many ways, but not as a politician. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong by the changes he is able to make. Given his advisors, I don’t see him taking advantage of the power that have been ceded to the executive branch to undo much of the damage.
A few domestic benchmarks would be- Return to original FISA, info dumps on Bush and Cheney, jail terms, FDA NLRB EEOC and EPA turnarounds; just for starters.

Posted by: biklett | Oct 27 2008 16:12 utc | 21

Hang in there waldo.
This morning’s democracy now on the campaigns and class war. Well worth a listen.
Also, the knuckleheads are up in arms about an old NPR interview in which O argues that civil rights should have been linked to economic reform (“redistribution”).
There’s no way to deny that O’s action & rhetoric have often intersected the hoary specter of class conflict.
That means something.
hope

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 27 2008 16:29 utc | 22

Also, it appears that wolfboy is breaking some of our new rules around here.
How about some consistent enforcement, b?

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 27 2008 16:35 utc | 23

Good to see you again, Siun #12 and thanks.

Posted by: beq | Oct 27 2008 16:55 utc | 24

What Obama has said and not said about blacks is pretty straight from a middle-class white pov. (I posted about it before, quoting his books.)
Here is one ex. from the top of Google:
Sun Times: Obama tells blacks, Shape Up!
In his previous life before the candidacy, he was on the lines of soft-left discourse that promulgate at its weakest, cultural relativity, and at its strongest masked racism, through a rather thick soup of community culture linked to ‘ways of thinking’ linked to ethnicity and almost, if not quite, or only exceptionally so, to genes. (Google e.g. “Annenberg Challenge”, and see the rabid criticism of it.) That is Pastor Wright’s position, for ex. (Not to say Obama follows him, but these ideas are very common.)
He seems to have turned away from the more outrageous aspects – the official progr. Education, Obama+Biden makes no mention at all of different groups of pupils/students except for ‘supporting English Language Learners’ which relates to immigrants, is rather minor (except vote wise perhaps) and is not directly a class/race issue.
The proposals emphasize – unsurprisingly – birth, babies and toddlerhood (if that is a word) – early preschool – in short, it is a straight ‘acculturation’ program, such as has been implemented since forever by the well-meaning middle-class: get em early, get em young, get em behaving proper, offer them the book-reading and the plastic-alphabet they don’t get at home, teach hand-washing, and sharing toys. (A caricature.) All very “soft left” and not different from the thoughts of the founders of HeadStart, which the progr. aims to double or quadruple. In international comparisons, it resembles the French system the most.
Describing, not judging, these are horribly thorny topics; and in Obama’s positions one can trace the weaving of different strands. Many more remarks could be made about the progr. as a whole.
My personal drift is clear: if blacks are to benefit from Obama’s presidency, for the education of their children, they need to address general social issues (legal matters, prisons, discrimination, — School funding in the US, etc.) and not be content with the latest versions of what is beneficial for 3-year-olds. They need to shout and clamor, demand. Illustrating b’s pov with one topic…
(@b real at 9 – some list! @11, this was reported on French news, and in the papers…)

Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 27 2008 19:32 utc | 25

@25,
To add, IMHO, perhaps the biggest problem for Black kids is the dumbing-down they get from their teachers at an early age. I have come across too many stories of extremely bright Black/Hispanic kids being recommended for “special education”, “attention deficit disorder”, drug medication & the like (follow the money/funding). And those Black/Hispanic kids fortunate to escape such treatment are not home-free. Teachers/School-Authorities will too often under-estimate their abilities & steer/nudge them towards far lower expectations than they are capable of. I have heard it so so many times from outraged high-achiever parents who have had to confront teachers & school-systems over this stuff.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Oct 27 2008 20:03 utc | 26

#17 ‘If you – or anyone else – can promise me that Obama will put an end – a cold stop – to the butchering of children and innocent civilians in the name of the USA
Tantalus, how magnanimous of you, what generous terms! After he achieves the presidency, all Obama has to do is to seize control of the best-funded ultra-secret bureaucracy controlled by a cabal of shadowy figures, with tentacles reaching into every Government department and every media organisation and connections into 1,000’s of huge corporations, which has defied every effort by any president willing to try over the last sixty years and bring them to a full stop
In the meantime I suppose he’ll just snap his fingers at the economy, address the infamously unfair tax regime and crumbling infrastructure issues with a wave of his wand, and placate the fascists and religio-crazies with his beautiful smile.
Wake the fuck up The fight starts with Obama’s election and he is going to need the ongoing committed support of every American to rescue America from itself and the sinister organisations that have turned Her into the pariah of the world.
First the presidency then the rest.

Posted by: waldo | Oct 27 2008 21:00 utc | 27

After he achieves the presidency, all Obama has to do is to seize control of the best-funded ultra-secret bureaucracy controlled by a cabal of shadowy figures, with tentacles reaching into every Government department and every media organisation and connections into 1,000’s of huge corporations, which has defied every effort by any president willing to try over the last sixty years and bring them to a full stop

Waldo, nice to know what your excuse is in advance. The answer to the above question is ‘yes,’ by the way – why else would we bother? Either he’s going to change things – and at this point the only change that will make a damn bit of difference will have to be seismic – or he’s not. You’re telling us you believe he won’t, but it won’t be his fault. What’s the use of that?

In the meantime I suppose he’ll just snap his fingers at the economy, address the infamously unfair tax regime and crumbling infrastructure issues with a wave of his wand, and placate the fascists and religio-crazies with his beautiful smile.

And isn’t that exactly what you’re telling us to believe?
I liked your Powell post, btw.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 27 2008 21:56 utc | 28

The fight starts with Obama’s election and he is going to need the ongoing committed support of every American to rescue America from itself

Waldo,
You are starting to sound a lot like the proto-fascist Bush storm troopers have sounded over the past eight years for the other team.
In my neck of the woods, fighting for your needs, dissent and speaking truth to power is how one expresses one’s participative democratic rights, not unqualified support.
What I would like to hear from you, Waldo, is an intelligent, thought-out program for how you believe that you and your ilk can exert pressure on Obama to move in a more progressive direction, in a time when the anti-war movement is dead-in-the-water, along with most every other movement, and most people are too busy just doing their best to keep their heads above water to have time for any extra-curricular activities. (Immigrants got angry, far more angry and threatened than anti-war activists ever have, and took to the streets several months ago, forcing politicians to change their direction very quickly.)
Anything besides a reasoned program, Waldo, is just cheerleading for your team.
One of the reasons I have hung around this bar has been the reasoned analyses; I can get my cheerleading quota at home.
The other thing which I have historically felt made this place special, was the deep structural analyses of power, much as I did upon first encountering the writings of Chomsky. Unfortunately for both, lately, it is often easier to revert to ignoring structural power in favor of magical thinking involving charismatic personalities.

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 27 2008 22:26 utc | 29

28 was me…

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 27 2008 23:00 utc | 30

I agree with what Zinn is saying about Obama, but this:
“Only direct action, labor strikes and civil disobedience moved FDR to implement the programs he implemented.”
is historical crap.
FDR often complained about US citizen’s passivity and their willingness to accept the social order of the day.
Right wing propagandist have made a fetish of going after FDR’s reputation it’s sad to see Zinn sign onto their fecal effluent.

Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 27 2008 23:57 utc | 31

Dahr Jamail quotes Jean Paul Sartre on France’s colonial war in Algeria:

“For 18 months, our country has been the victim of what the legal code has called a ‘demoralization offensive.’ And it is not by sabotaging its ‘morale’ that you demoralize a nation, it is by degrading its morality; as for the procedure, everyone knows it: by precipitating us into a despicable adventure, they have instilled in us, from without, a sense of social guilt. But we vote, we give mandates and, in a way, we can revoke them; the stirring of public opinion can bring down governments. We personally must be accomplices to the crimes that are committed in our name, since it is within our power to stop them. We have to take responsibility for this guilt which was dormant in us, inert, foreign, and demean ourselves in order to be able to bear it.”
-Sartre, Les Temps Modernes, May 1957

It is a long, heartfelt article which Jamail concludes with,

If Larry is willing to go to the lengths he is in order to write his book about his life and how he suffered within the prison industrial complex, it seems a good time to ask ourselves, What am I willing to do to effect positive change? Will casting a vote for a particular candidate stop the North Pole from melting in five years, as the latest scientific report shows us? Will walking away from the voting booth bring an immediate, unconditional withdrawal of all occupation forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
We must each ask ourselves, during this week before the election, what, precisely, we will be willing to do to bring about the change necessary to end all the illegalities being carried out in our name. For this question shall, of course, persist long after November 4.

The Cost of Slumber
Recommended.

Posted by: Alamet | Oct 28 2008 1:00 utc | 32

Waldo, “…how magnanimous of you, what generous terms! After he achieves the presidency, all Obama has to do is to seize control of the best-funded ultra-secret bureaucracy controlled by a cabal of shadowy figures, with tentacles reaching into every Government department and every media organisation and connections into 1,000’s of huge corporations, which has defied every effort by any president willing to try over the last sixty years and bring them to a full stop
I doubt anyone expects Obama to miraculously solve things. BUT the American people have a right to know what the hell has gone on, what the hell is going on now, and what will be going on in the future. A televised news conference within the first few weeks (and not just give a warning like Eisenhower did as he was leaving office) would be acceptable for starters. The executive branch must become transparent. No secret meetings within government and no secret meetings with corporate execs or foreign leaders. Names must be named, even if by the hundreds. In my humble opinion, there is no need for secrecy regarding policy/actions in a democratic representative government unless Congress has declared war. Considering Obama, McCain and Biden have already spit upon the U.S. Constitution per their previous votes, I doubt this will happen. It would be nice to be wrong regarding my expectations of our new President whoever that will be.

Posted by: Rick | Oct 28 2008 2:17 utc | 33

Rick (#33) wrote: “I doubt anyone expects Obama to miraculously solve things.”
Au contraire, mon frere. That seems to be precisely the expectation. Obama represents the latest (and I’ll concede greatest) in a long list of magical knights who are going to swoop in out of nowhere and save the day.
I remember how so many folk here (including billmon himself) simply knew that Patrick Fitzgerald was going to bring about a day of reckoning if we only trusted in the arcane secrecy of the system, clicked our heels together three times and chanted “I believe! I believe!”
In 2006, there was a whole Democratic coven of magical beings who, by their simple majority, were going to set things right again and undo every injustice perpetrated on the USA and the world. All they needed was our vote and our unwavering faith and the rest would be in their mysterious and divine hands.
In 2008, I was persuaded to vote for Kerry in what was billed as “The Most Important Election of Our Lifetimes” (that slogan’s getting played out)on the grounds that this time, it really, really mattered! Here was somebody, finally, who would make a difference! He only needed our undying, unquestioning support and our ability to look past his prior voting record.
Gnomes like Kucinich and Ron Paul have appeared from time to time all ready to work their elfin magic against the dragons of injustice if only, if only, if only we trust them implicitly and don’t ask too many uncomfortable questions. If we want to know the mechanisms by which everything will be put right, we’ll frighten our timid saviours back to Faerieland.
Malooga at #29 hits the nail on the head. Bush supporters have for eight years endorsed blind support in their man and for us to do the same just makes us stormtroopers who simply fly a different flag. At what point did the democratic process become this infantile, passive sport where our “betters” operate in secret (for our own good, of course) and we can only grovel through acts of adulation and faith in their holy wisdom and goodness?
Maybe the “Daddy Knows Best” act can pacify the Britney Spearses in the audience, but I’m looking for a civil servant out of this, not an ersatz parent who can hold my hand and tell me everything’s going to be all right. b suggested that constant pressure on our part after the election would be useful as a rudder, but proof denies faith and this would make politics too active on the part of the governed. Pressure and support, it seems, are mutually exclusive ideas and we wouldn’t want to upset or discourage our infallible champion.
You have a plan? Fill me in. In the meantime, I’m looking at voting records and judging characters by past actions and present associations. I can’t see into men’s hearts as waldo seems to be able; I am forced to judge men by their words and deeds. Unfortunately, this handicap of mine has put a bit of a damper on my capacity for blind faith.
However, in my defense, I haven’t needed to jump through too many hoops to publicly rationalize why my Chosen One failed to perform as advertised.

Posted by: Monolycus | Oct 28 2008 4:00 utc | 34

Shit. Kerry was 2004, not 2008. This is 2008. Typo. Dammit.

Posted by: Monolycus | Oct 28 2008 4:05 utc | 35

@ jony be cool no. 26
Compensatory education is by definition built on race/class/economic /familial distinctions and perforce no only introduces but stresses inequality, discrimination, ’dumbing down’. Special attentions leads to special control and special measures and pointed attention, criticism.
I have heard white teachers in the US complain about the special privileges of Hispanics / blacks and the politically correct attitude they are supposed to show at all times. A reprimand or a slap can get them fired.
They themselves belong to the very lower-lower supposedly middle class and struggle and sometimes succumb to ethnic prejudice, which is always formulated, as the programs themselves are, please note, in terms of cultural background and family practices. The teachers do nothing but take up the terms of the compensatory measures, emphasizing them, and turning them round to their advantage to nag their superiors, the politicians, to complain about their status, etc.
His mom is a crack whore he can’t read or sound the letters doesn’t event recognize the A and B can’t add two and one hits the other kids can’t sit still and disturbs everyone he’s alone at nite his father is missing I don’t know
Get him to Pharma Central! (as you said.)

Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 28 2008 20:26 utc | 37