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September 21, 2008
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Open Thread – Your news & views …
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Homesick Posted by: Shah Loam | Sep 21 2008 6:25 utc | 2 I recommend reading this from the Observer. It is usually little noticed in the ‘western’ press. This development is dangerous:
I just got back from 2.5 weeks in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, visiting my partner’s family and friends. It was an amazing trip in many different ways. I’ll try to be less laconic than usual and relate some of my observations and experiences in Almaty, Bishkek, Chimkent and Turkestan, though I’ll have to do it over several posts- I had only 30 minutes online during that time and am only now recovering from internet withdrawal. Posted by: biklett | Sep 21 2008 8:44 utc | 4 Politics in KZ- Most people are pro-Nazerbaev in that ‘he’s fat and taken what he can, someone else would just steal a bunch more.’ His smiling face is everywhere, championing the bright Kazakh future. The rebuilding of the Kazakh cultural identity is remarkable and oddly very inclusive. KZ has 142 different nationalities and 45 religions (Stalin moved a lot of them there from the borders during the 40’s; Koreans from Siberia, Jews, Germans, Poles, etc. from the west. Ukrainians and others homesteaded in the 1800’s. The government is building many very modest houses for Kazakhs who were living in Russia, Mongolia and other countries that are being brought back to bolster the Kazakh population. Up to three years of maternity leave helps as well. Posted by: biklett | Sep 21 2008 17:48 utc | 7 It’s crisis and panic time! It’s understandable that Bush is relegated to White House luncheons but where is Mr. CEO Cheney? What other shit is he doing during these distractions? Posted by: biklett | Sep 21 2008 21:03 utc | 10 Kim Jong Il + Kim Ok = John McCain + Sarah Palin Posted by: anna missed | Sep 22 2008 9:48 utc | 11
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link to the u.n. general assembly’s General Debate of the 63rd Session (23 September – 1 October 2008) Posted by: b real | Sep 23 2008 14:58 utc | 13 in this understandably alarmist piece Naomi Wolfurges us to realize that the ten step descent into fascism is almost complete. we’re basically just one more false flag attack away from total implementation. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 23 2008 19:51 utc | 14 thanks b real Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 23 2008 20:16 utc | 15 well in any case with the help of allah, ahmadinejad just finished pissing all over bush & his brooks brothers suit Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 23 2008 20:44 utc | 16 After reading Lizards, #14, I came across this:
I highly reconmend reading both, if you have not yet done so, however, I suggest you pour youself a stiff one or take your welbutrin cause, together they are a cocktail of nerve shaking intensity. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 24 2008 7:33 utc | 18 A question for b real.
Do you know why the peacekeepers get attacked now? As I followed it, they have been mostly neutral and done about nothing. The fighting was mostly against the Ethiopian troops. But maybe I missed something there. Monolycus, or others following All Things Korea, what the heck is going on with the North Korean nuclear facilities? I heard a brief and not very enlightening little “newsish” blurb on NPR saying that N. Korea thought the previously agreed deal was being reneged on, and was taking some sort of action to restart whatever the facilities at Yongbyon are….any thoughts? Insights? I realize there is some deeper backstory and probably a lot of posturing going on. Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 25 2008 1:01 utc | 20 @b #19 – i pointed out the start of it around the 14th. the ICU and al shabaab are rapidly regaining complete control over central & southern somalia. momentum is in their favor. mogadishu is the only large city where the ethiopian & govt forces are holding any territory. the AMISOM troops have bases at the airport & the port.
AMISOM, as usual, publicly issues stmts claiming they don’t target civilians, however, as we have seen since they first arrived in mogadishu in 2007 & helped shell neighborhoods right from the presidential palace, that’s simply not true. Posted by: b real | Sep 25 2008 2:27 utc | 21 a garowe online article states that
so it’s more than just al shabaab involved in the attacks, which fits w/ what i’ve read of what’s going on the rest of the country – it’s a mix of the ICU, al shabaab, clan militias, and other armed groups working together to rout the foreign occupiers, warlords, and criminal gangs & other opportunists Posted by: b real | Sep 25 2008 2:44 utc | 22 Hold your nose and check out this DKos thread. Un-fucking-believable! These folks (Repubs) have ALL the power, and they are squeezing the controls so hard that the plastic handles of American ‘democracy’ are oozing right through their fingers. Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Sep 25 2008 3:49 utc | 23 one more wrt attacks on AMISOM, from a reuter’s article on thursday
Posted by: b real | Sep 25 2008 4:35 utc | 24 @Maxcrat – @20 –
Granted, North Koreans might be desperate (or maybe not…but who knows?), but why should they accept US demands when they hadn’t been shown the money yet? Seems to be a funny delusion of grandeur–that a mere promise of some US action is good enough that US government can tack on additional demands and conditions…in dealing with a country with no reason whatsoever to trust US. Posted by: kao-hsien-chih | Sep 25 2008 5:33 utc | 26 Bush Aides Linked to Talks on Interrogations
On NoKo – after some obfuscation even the NYT gets it right:North Koreans Bar Inspectors at Nuclear Site
I lost count of these – is this the third or fourth prosecutor to quit from the Gitmo trials?
B – thanks for th update on NoKo. I remember reading that Chris Hill, the career diplomat who managed to shepherd the previous deal through, had retired recently. I wonder if the John Bolten faction that never wanted a deal with NoKo have regained the upper hand within the government now…sounds like it. Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 25 2008 7:44 utc | 30 ips: Morales Cites “Evidence” of U.S. Meddling
morales’ speech @ the gen assembly sept 23rd Posted by: b real | Sep 25 2008 15:11 utc | 31 The U.S. did not do that, but came up with new conditions after NoKo had fulfilled all previous ones, so the deal is off again. It was not the North Koreans who broke the deal. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Sep 25 2008 15:45 utc | 32 From Whitley Strieber yesterday
connects to solar wind (+ picture of spotless sun) which connects to
Solar Wind Loses Power, Hits 50-year Low
From Nature(mag) News: Arctic ice shrinks less this year than last
latest analysis on somalia from michael weinstein focuses on the three main currents of political islam becoming more “sharply configured” as the movement’s “ideological phase kicks in.”
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Posted by: b real | Sep 25 2008 19:59 utc | 37 Rain cuts off 20,000 China quake victims, 14 die Water matters, as do earthquakes.
@b real, or anyone else who might have some thoughts on this –
xcroc – Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2008 3:36 utc | 40 More on why North Korea stepped backed from the nuclear deal. Short take – the U.S. (Cheney) demanded complete capitulation.
Air Force Instructor Details Harsh Interrogations
missed this one from a couple weeks back
Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2008 14:46 utc | 43 How little things changed since Chile … speaking of pirates
“on thursday”, as in thursday september 25th
coincidental timing?
and the beeb’s coverage manages to fit in a couple more references to eyl
at least they’re not trying to be alarmist by linking the hijacked tanks to the fighters Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2008 15:24 utc | 45 breal Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 26 2008 16:26 utc | 46 still trying to figure out wassup w/ that story on the hijacked tanks off the coast of somalia
from a bloomberg article, Somali Pirates Seize Ukrainian Ship Carrying Tanks
here are some pictures of the T-72 Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2008 5:13 utc | 47 (cont..)
what’s changed since feb wrt the CPA? Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2008 5:23 utc | 48 Interesting about the tanks. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Sep 27 2008 5:47 utc | 49 from a lloyd’s list article on friday
also from friday, in an ap article
in the 90’s (at a minimum) the u.s. armed the SPLA/M via ethiopia, eritirea & uganda in an effort to topple the regime in khartoum.
b/c of its location & strategic importance, not to mention subordination, to the united states, kenya plays an important role in u.s. policy towards sudan. recall that they served as lead proxy for the u.s. in facilitating some of the peace talks between sudan’s govt & opposition groups. Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2008 7:08 utc | 50 [pasted the wrong link for “lead proxy” ref in #50 above – the correct one is here]
an earlier rpt quoted a spokesman for the pirates stating that
sounds like the ‘pirates’ in this case are part of either the somali ‘national volunteer coast guard’ (NVCG) or the ‘somali coast guard’ (SCG), which are based along the southern coastline Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2008 18:32 utc | 51 reuters: Ethiopia very concerned over level of piracy
ethiopia’s govt is getting terrified about the realities of payback for its role in destabilizing somalia
Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2008 18:52 utc | 52 I’m going to ask everyone at MoA for advice here. I’m what you’d call a “player”. I’ve pitched MLM’s since way back in the 1970’s, and sold real estate since the 2000 selloff, right through the peak. I know what an upline and a downline is, and I know how to spin a cherry-picked market appraisal up with easy loan terms into a higher commission on a zero down. I’m not stupid. Like I said, I’m a player. Posted by: Larry Donitelli | Sep 27 2008 21:34 utc | 53 , but what about protecting all the agent-broker commissions!!! Posted by: annie | Sep 27 2008 21:46 utc | 54 kenya’s daily nation is saying that the hijacking was indeed probably by the SCG
a lengthy article in scotland’s sunday herald — Pirates call all the shots actually manages to provide some context behind some of those ‘pirates’ organizations, like the SCG, which is more than most other coverage ever does
given that, there’s something odd about this story in today’s south africa sunday times – is it another case of propaganda being spun around a small kernel of truth?
not enough time to delve into that one
yet the official stmt from the govt is that, since the hijacking took place outside kenyan waters, the responsibility for the cargo still lies w/ the seller & shipper. this is the only mention i’ve seen of the kenyan navy ‘racing’ to the scene. wonder how much of it is just show-boating?
what – like the TFG or ethiopians? 😉
release the tanks? where? how? as a couple of the earlier articles i linked to point out, as does the sunday herald above
and if they did, are we supposed to be afraid that all of a sudden there would be AQ-affiliated islamists storming the TFG’s presidential palace in commie tanks on their way to peoria?
hobya is spelled “obbia” on the google map & lies approximately 150 miles south of eyl. on the map, again, it looks like there’s hardly anything there, which is why i remain ambiguous on the stories of eyl’s bustling pirate business community. according to wikipedia,
will continue to follow this story Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2008 6:04 utc | 55 Department Of The Exterior Opens U.S. National Park In Norway
Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2008 13:12 utc | 56 Department Of The Exterior Opens U.S. National Park In Norway
Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2008 13:14 utc | 57 there are some excellent videos @ the link also, i recommend ‘ How We Can Make The War In Iraq More Eco-Friendly” Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2008 13:18 utc | 58 sarah the knife, killer song. for background and more photos from yesterday’s rally in anchorage check mudflats. Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2008 13:54 utc | 59 Tina Fey does Palin again Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 28 2008 14:11 utc | 60 looks like my earlier line of inquiry was headed in the right direction
Posted by: b real | Sep 29 2008 6:03 utc | 61 nairobi’s KTN news (video) coverage from sunday claims kenyan military sources dispute the official stmts that the tanks were purchased by kenya. segment shows footage of tanks being shipped by train from the port of mombasa back in february, which may the same shipment mentioned in my #48 above Posted by: b real | Sep 30 2008 3:03 utc | 63 east african standard: Diplomatic row looms over hijacked ship
looks like the SCG has stumbled upon a pretty big scandal. is the u.s. behind the weapons, similar to the way they helped ethiopia purchase weapons from north korea for the 2006 invasion/occupation of somalia? Posted by: b real | Sep 30 2008 3:31 utc | 64 daily nation: Hijacked arms: The mystery deepens
looking for more details on the stories of u.s. military assistance to sudan’s darfur rebel group the justice and equality mvmt (JEM). another mention of it in this article — “Africa rallies behind besieged Sudan president” — from the the east african, but nothing substantial in it
hardly likely though that rebels could escape notice by substituting tanks for their ‘technicals’ Posted by: b real | Sep 30 2008 3:54 utc | 65 Hearty thanks to b real @ 63, 64 & 65 for dogged persistence in bringing these stories to MOA’s forum. Arms trafficking in East Africa has a long and sordid history, and exposing it to public attention can sometimes be fatal – google Ilaria Alpi and Miran Hrovatin, for example. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 30 2008 7:28 utc | 66 Speaking of dogged persistence, the campaign to keep Syria’s alleged Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 30 2008 13:02 utc | 67 outside of the local dayton ohio press no msm has picked up the hate crime of gasing children at a local mosque during ramadan prayer services the day after the distribution of the anti islam dvd arrived via mass distribution in 145,000 papers across targeted swing states last week. some church in town had hosted a viewing of the movie. raw story picked this up today, bless them. the msm is ignoring this story although we all know had it taken place at either a church or synagogue it would make front page news across the country.
Posted by: annie | Sep 30 2008 15:30 utc | 69 gus 68, your link Sorry, the page you requested could not be found. Posted by: annie | Sep 30 2008 15:30 utc | 70 @ annie Posted by: dan of steel | Sep 30 2008 16:01 utc | 71 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-talk-naked-sarahsep30,0,4944201.story Posted by: gus | Sep 30 2008 16:02 utc | 72 re: “Jewish ‘ultras’ defend morals with menace” Interesting development: Iran ties enrichment halt to fuel import guarantee
I have no idea how such a international guarantee could look. The question is who would sign up for it and back it with what? The U.S. say-so will certainly not be enough. Undersea methane bubbling up:
Ruled from above, warming from below. The methane is cooking. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 2 2008 22:48 utc | 77 skod #77, well it is more consequential than the fake election. The interesting thing is that Greenpeace/Gore et al join the energy corpses in publicly ignoring obvious climate warnings. Posted by: plushtown | Oct 2 2008 23:13 utc | 78 We should not confuse failure to push a message through the media with silence. Quick google search found this:
And the news you linked was also linked at Greenpeace New Zeeland. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 2 2008 23:48 utc | 79 No one has accused Gore and the carbon credit crooks of being upbeat, yet Inconvenient truth movie and book don’t mention that when glaciers lighten earth quakes, causing remaining ice to slide, enabling more quakes, more slides, Gulf Stream big changes, new coasts, power to the prescient, etc., so best to avoid. (Nor of course do they stress that what I’m talking about is unavoidable, for methane and other reasons.) U.S. to Fund Pro-American Publicity in Iraqi Media
Here’s some Pro-American Publicity for ya…(Spoken in wasilla, “Palinese”)’You betcha’…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 3 2008 10:37 utc | 82 uncle, reminds me of the ‘suicide’ of Westhusing. Posted by: annie | Oct 3 2008 15:02 utc | 83 blast in Georgia’s breakaway region of South Ossetia killed seven Russian soldiers
i would have to say i agree w/the georgian Interior Ministry spokesman. it makes perfect sense if the russians want to remain in SO, for them (or their ‘friends’)to blow themselves up to secure their future in the region. Posted by: annie | Oct 3 2008 17:17 utc | 84 Damn… someone is trying to start a fight once again. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 3 2008 17:21 utc | 85 Time for a new open thread? In the meantime, here’s a song for b: Posted by: biklett | Oct 4 2008 8:27 utc | 86
(he’s also been hired by the mcCain campaign…
Posted by: annie | Oct 4 2008 16:17 utc | 87 ZK: War on Taliban cannot be won, says army chief
More on our closing society…
wolf is sounding alarmed.. she is scared. Should we be also? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 5 2008 18:43 utc | 89
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 5 2008 22:23 utc | 90 With a hat-tip to John Young’s Crytptome site, this link to Craig Murray’s site contains some interesting censored material on Tony Blair’s early Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 6 2008 5:56 utc | 91 the existence of a substantial U.S. military base near the After many months of reduced violence, still, more Iraqis are leaving the country than those returning. Posted by: anna missed | Oct 6 2008 8:39 utc | 93 there have been fairly constant reports from morocco & the region over a number of months that the u.s. military is erecting new structures on its property near tan-tan. evidently, the u.s. govt has had some property there for some time now & it is referenced in some AFRICOM-related documents. i have posted little bits of it in comments previously. the west coast is definitely the area that they would prefer to situate most of their presence. there’s already the base in djibouti & the troops in ethiopia, kenya, etc. but the oil is mostly in nigeria & algeria and that’s where the real focus is. the int’l oil companies & investors want some security guarantees in those areas. morocco may be a little far north. my take is that the africa partnership station flotilla is an early version of a base on the west coast modeled after CJTF-HOA. Posted by: b real | Oct 6 2008 14:24 utc | 94 Likudnik group tries to throw US elections? 15-50 million dollar anti-Muslim campaign in swing states Posted by: annie | Oct 6 2008 21:57 utc | 95 |
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