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September 13, 2008
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IKE. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 13 2008 19:30 utc | 2 Charles Dudley Warner is now best known for making the remark: “Everybody complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it”. This was quoted by Mark Twain in a lecture, and is often attributed to him. My update on this is: Everybody bitches and moans about the politics (i.e. political system) of present day America (particularly in these columns), but nobody does anything about it. Except vote occasionally. And this doesn’t really do anything about it apart from putting a sticking plaster over a festering wound. Obama, bless him, if he should actually become President (and some of his supporters are beginning to doubt it) will regret the next four years (never mind the then ensuing four years should he make it that far) like nothing in his entire life. Either he or Sarah, in the long run it won’t really make that much difference no matter what either the pundits or the poujadists say. Posted by: Spyware | Sep 13 2008 19:39 utc | 3 b was right…
More bread, corpses, and circus. ~isachar Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 13 2008 19:47 utc | 4 b was right…
More bread, corpses, and circus. ~isachar Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 13 2008 19:47 utc | 5 In a roundabout way, r giap’s post illuminates why Palin is so attractive. Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 13 2008 19:52 utc | 6 At #3, Spyware: Posted by: Jake | Sep 13 2008 20:33 utc | 7 Alaskans have been receiving oil rebates for years, Palin did up the amount by only a third by increasing taxes the oil co’s pay. It makes it look like she is bringing the big corporations to heel, while at the same time pushing very hard to allow their operations to expand. Neat trick. Considering Alaskans already receive the largest percentage of federal money in the union. Reeks to high heaven of classic corporatism. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 13 2008 20:34 utc | 8 Jake, I’m gonna stick my neck out. I’m a journalist by training so why not? Posted by: Spyware | Sep 13 2008 20:55 utc | 9 spyware Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 13 2008 21:45 utc | 10 Well there you are. Here I go yackety-yaking to my fellow commentators contrary to all my best instincts as a journalist. Posted by: Spyware | Sep 13 2008 23:19 utc | 11 We were listening to Frank Sinatra last night as we enjoyed our wine. It got me to thinking. The members of the Rat Pack have all passed away, or at least I think they have, but either way, it doesn’t matter. That was a bygone time/era, and there’s no going back, you can never go back …..or can you? Some are trying, as Mr. Rich so adroitly points out.
Posted by: Marilyn | Sep 13 2008 23:22 utc | 12 somebody’s family values Posted by: annie | Sep 13 2008 23:27 utc | 13 Besides asking McCain on the record if he considers a draft potentially necessary (he does), he should be asked if he will attempt to sign a new nonproliferation treaty with Russia (he won’t). Posted by: aumana | Sep 13 2008 23:51 utc | 14 on truman:
taken from gore vidal’s the american presidency Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 0:26 utc | 15 Phillip Adams Latenight Live is usually pretty stuffy but this discussion rebroadcast from Sep 12, 2001 is worth hearing 7 years on. All the participants, excluding Bobo Brooks, are disturbingly prescient. It’s a surprise because I’ve gotten so used to the willfully unthinking view that I’d forgotten what it’s been all about. Posted by: YY | Sep 14 2008 1:12 utc | 17 http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0908/552040.html Posted by: Li | Sep 14 2008 1:46 utc | 18 @11: Here I go yackety-yaking to my fellow commentators contrary to all my best instincts as a journalist Posted by: Lizard | Sep 14 2008 2:29 utc | 19 sorry ’bout that, fighting bob – had a wedding reception to get to
Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 3:59 utc | 20 in kenya this week, salim lone stepped down as raila’s spokesman in order to spend more time w/ his (lone’s, that is) wife, who just retired from her job, and to slow down a bit. one of the items on his list of things to do, however, is writing a book about the stolen election from his perspective on the front line as ODM party spokesman
wonder if he’ll be naming any names (cough..ranneberger!) in his book. he’s been blunt & quite outspoken in the past about u.s. interference elsewhere throughout the world. can’t imagine he’ll hold too much back in his book, given that he’s cut his ties now to the govt in nairobi.
Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 4:49 utc | 21 sudan tribune: Britain & France will support freezing indictment of Sudan president
Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 5:36 utc | 22 this may not get through the filters, but Prolonged Wars, Magyar, going towards that other prescient radio podcast from australia on september 12, 2001 Posted by: Twin Pyramids | Sep 14 2008 6:33 utc | 23 b real The notion that election fraud committed by the authorities should be followed by power sharing agreement will give the green light to dictators to fix elections,” he said. Posted by: annie | Sep 14 2008 8:18 utc | 24 Spyware wrote, “I’ll stop there and tell you why they became silent: they were scared shitless. They had credit card debt. They had mortgages. They had kids. They were lucky to have jobs that paid above the pittance of a minimum wage.” Posted by: Buckarro | Sep 14 2008 10:25 utc | 25 Buckarro (or should that be Buckaroo?): Yes, I know I bollocks on about the barricades but it’s mostly tongue in cheek. Folks is frightened. The masses (Marx’s darlings: “das lumpen proletariat – what he ungenerously called: “The scum of the earth”) do as they are frightened and herded into doing. Tell ‘em Communism’s bad—bang, it’s bad. Tell ‘em Islam’s bad—bang, that too. Posted by: Spyware | Sep 14 2008 12:21 utc | 26 spyware would have it, that civic responsibility is impossible – i simply know that is not true. often resistance works in that dialectical way – individual, collective, vanguard – here in france & in reality all over the world- the individual & collective resistance operates at it always does – in leaps & bounds & slips. the absence of a real vanguard is perhaps not such a bad thing because if history has made anthing clear – it is how quickly that vanguard can be comprimised Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 14 2008 13:50 utc | 27 I think Spyware’s comments are valid and necessary. He’s basically saying “Where’s The Beef!” He’s right, for now, there’s just Big Buns, but no beef. Posted by: Marilyn | Sep 14 2008 14:17 utc | 28 Spyware, Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 14 2008 14:22 utc | 29 Sarah the patsy Judas goat will be newsworthy ’til three seconds after the election. Posted by: waldo | Sep 14 2008 14:50 utc | 30 Waldo, Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 14 2008 14:55 utc | 31 Spyware – @9 – Unlike some I got more to do with my time than sit hunched over Moon Of Alabama waiting for b. to post a fix. at the risk of further playing into their games & getting the community too sidetracked, Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 16:07 utc | 33 So—voila! stop moaning people. Take a page out of the calendar for 1968. What I’m talking about is public insurrection on a massive scale in towns and cities throughout the United States. Impossible? Don’t you believe it. What happened in Chicago and the Champs-Élysées can happen in their counterparts all over America. Remember: at the time “They” all said it couldn’t happen. You want to change the system? Good. Then pack in covering your bourgeois backsides from the safety of your internet blogs and the pages of all those radical tabloids and go out and man the barricades. You’re all just too precious most of you for anybody to take you as anything more than more of the same. Posted by: alabama | Sep 14 2008 16:21 utc | 34 So what colour was Jesus? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 14 2008 16:48 utc | 35 some reports in the somali press this w/e on the following announcement
after midnight tuesday, they will consider any planes trying to use the airport as working for the occupying forces
uganda’s radio katwe notes that
the rest of that article refers, belatedly, to the u.n. report we linked to back in late spring on UPDF troops selling arms to the somali insurgency. otherwise, it is incorrect in stating that, b/c of this, the insurgency ignores the AMISOM presence & only targets ethiopians. all one has to do is read today’s somali press to read of a sunday morning roadside bomb “targeting AMISOM troops in KM 4”.
Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2008 17:02 utc | 36 speaking of nobody doing anything about it check this out. Posted by: annie | Sep 14 2008 17:38 utc | 37 Surgar Weekly English Edition, Afghanistan Posted by: Shah Loam | Sep 14 2008 18:59 utc | 38 How, exactly, is that doing anything about it, Annie? It’s great that those women oppose Palin, but did gathering in a park make that so? No. They felt that way before they went out in public and expressed it, and the only way we know that they did was via the Internet because the media is controlled by the Multi-Nationals, and they control the message. Soon enough, the Multi-Nationals will control the Internet. How do we change that, Annie, because that really would be doing something about it. How do we foment a way to take back the mass media and prevent the takeover of the Internet? Posted by: Marilyn | Sep 14 2008 19:08 utc | 39 And how do we prevent the takeover of the Internet if they keep closing all the Starbucks, and the libraries have to cut back their weekend hours and throttle and censure their Internet bandwidth because the American Taliban is ratcheting up their Global War of Terror until it deficits the entire $2T discretionary budget, not already wholely encumbered by repaying Treasury interest to the Chinese underwriters, what’s not directly servicing the open-door Fed bank window, and disappearing $100B’s in radioactive waste from the Neo Twin-Tower GSE receiverships now hollowing out the American Dream right before our very eyes!!! Posted by: Tom Terrific | Sep 14 2008 19:56 utc | 40 All with the rubber stamp of a Democratic Congress, right Tom? Or they’re just powerless, witless dupes in all of this and somehow Obama/Biden, who are currently part of that Congress, are going to miraculously change their stripes and become non-capitulationists. Despite the protests of African American members of Congress, Al Gore dutifully ratified the 2000 election results conceding the election to Bush. Al was such a good loser. Posted by: Marilyn | Sep 14 2008 21:55 utc | 41 Tantalus, b real, if you check back in comments (way back) you’ll find me commenting on this blog in a supportive and fraternal manner. The fact I don’t comment regularly does not mean that I drop in, shit on the floor and stroll back out just to annoy people. This blog has strayed from it’s roots and become anarchistic. Cynicism has become the currency of exchange and this has led to a spiralling negative debate that leads to ludicrous assertions e.g. the current Democratic nominee a “war-mongering corporate stooge”. Posted by: waldo | Sep 15 2008 2:15 utc | 42 Waldo, Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 15 2008 2:52 utc | 43 waldo, you are hilarious. i especially like the part where you state that “the basic ethos of the democratic party is courage and empathy.” seriously, with all the depressing economic news breaking today, i needed a real lol moment, and your post provided a much needed respite from the ominous fiscal gloom. so thank you. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 15 2008 4:13 utc | 44 Some fun for r’giap: ‘Who the f*** are you to lecture me?’: Russian minister’s extraordinary rant at David Miliband
Thanks to b real @ 33 and alabama @ 34, and to b passim. Meanwhile, it looks like financial Armageddon has arrived: just desserts, mere coincidence, powerful occult forces (probably non-U.S.) favoring Obama, or none of the above? The great depression was the formative experience of my parents lives. I’ve always wondered what it would be like to relive that experience. It now seems entirely possible that millions of U.S. citizens may have that “opportunity”. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 15 2008 9:13 utc | 46 spyware: The perspectives of this tribe are for the most part so narrow, so political personalities focused, so in-the-box as to be beyond naïvety. Introverted? G’wan, why not! Verbal street fighting by a collection of the disaffected… Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 15 2008 12:47 utc | 47 Thanks, Lizard! I don’t know why I bother, honestly… Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 15 2008 12:54 utc | 48 Having said that, I don’t know if this and other blogs like it (are there other blogs like it?) have such a tiny impact. It’s out there, it’s linked, it’s read. Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 15 2008 12:58 utc | 49 b@45 merci Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2008 17:21 utc | 51 breal & b Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2008 18:10 utc | 52 i’ll have to check it out a little later – not after i just finished eating lunch 😉
Posted by: b real | Sep 15 2008 18:47 utc | 53 frida berrigan @ tom dispatch: Military Industrial Complex 2.0: Cubicle Mercenaries, Subcontracting Warriors, and Other Phenomena of a Privatizing Pentagon
Posted by: b real | Sep 15 2008 18:56 utc | 54 daily nation: Darfur rebels to get US aid, says news agency
i don’t see any such story at the english version of the SMC & nothing on it at the sudan tribune today. the u.s. has been meeting regularly w/ various rebel groups & are already (still) supplying some, from what i’ve read, through chad, uganda, etc Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2008 3:14 utc | 55 the economist basically comes to the same conclusion we have touched on here on several occassions wrt exaggeration of “al-qa-idah in the mahgreb” by the press/GWOT & so-called ‘terrorism’ experts
the article concludes,
w/ more than a little encouragement from the west, no doubt Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2008 4:39 utc | 56 For Maxcrat and others following the Aifa Siddiqui case, John Young has added some new documents at his Cryptome site. In particular, one learns in passing that after that Mrs. Siddiqui completed her doctorate at Brandeis University, hardly a hot-bed of Taliban activism or sharia. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 16 2008 7:54 utc | 57 Bob Woodword, eh! Pathetic beyond comment. Go read Chris Floyd.
Posted by: DM | Sep 16 2008 11:05 utc | 58 @Hanna – Aifa Siddiqui – Aafia’s son reaches Pakistan
This Wikipedia article seems to be a good starting point for the basic information on Dr. Aafia Siddiqui. As always, what is reported there should not be taken as Gospel. I don’t know the truth in this case, but there’s enough stench of illegality, kidnapping, and torture to raise legitimate suspicions of yet another miscarriage of justice. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 16 2008 12:46 utc | 60 More coup talk coming out of Iraq. At this point I think every major Iraqi party has acknowledged the possibility of a military coup. Remember this talk was first started by Steve Biddle back in June, and ahead of the (supposed) July SOFA deadline. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 16 2008 18:17 utc | 61 ips: Leaders Express Full Support for Bolivia’s Morales
others elsewhere point out that UNASUR was the obvious choice, rather than the OAS, in order to limit u.s. interference
Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2008 18:39 utc | 62 b real @ 62 Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 16 2008 18:56 utc | 63 b real & dan Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2008 20:01 utc | 64 inca kola news: The thing to take away from the Unasur declaration
coha: Bolivia: A Profound Breakdown of Communication with Latin America
and more positive news from inca kola news Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2008 22:05 utc | 66 HKOL @57 – thanks for the cryptome update on Aafia Siddiqui’s case. It just doesn’t add up. Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 17 2008 0:01 utc | 67 This article in one of the Pakistani newspapers today describes Aafia Siddiqui’s son’s release to an aunt in Pakistan. An Afghan government official in the article claims that this is not the son that disappeared with her and two other children from Karachi back in 2003, but instead is an orphan she adopted in 2005 after the devastating earthquake in the Kashmir region. Elsewhere in the article it says the U.S. has been searching for her as a dangerous terrorist since 2003, so it is hard to see how she somehow managed to adopt an orphan in 2005 without the notice of anyone in officialdom. Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 17 2008 0:54 utc | 68 god, aljazeera loves to suck some state dept/centcom cock – it’d most probably be clearer if i read thepress releases coming from either the state dept or centcom Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2008 1:22 utc | 69 “But that was back when I was more naive, and actually believed that the electoral process could really bring about fundamental change in this country. Camejo never lost that naivete. For a positive personal recollection of Camejo, please read this one by the As’ad Abukhalil, the Angry Arab. Turns out that Camejo had the intelligence and integrity to solicit Abukhalil as a candidate to run against Diane Feinstein for the Senate. Posted by: waldo | Sep 17 2008 1:27 utc | 70 Waldo, why would an anarchist believe in electoral and indeed conventional political systems? I don’t understand your quote. Are you saying Abukhalil sinned by rejecting the US process, a sin that we here at the Moon are also guilty of? Sounds like he did as his conscience dictated. As far as optimism about prospects for progressive change on a global scale, if Abukhalil is saying that isn’t going to come from the USA, he’s right. Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 17 2008 2:45 utc | 71 I lifted this quote from another site. Hunter S. Thompson is the author, and he wrote the following eight years ago:
Posted by: Lizard | Sep 17 2008 3:30 utc | 72 heh. some news highlighting the continuing clusterf_ck that is AFRICOM
any regulars from germany seen any stories on community complaints? last year there were stories about how parents on the base were upset over issues involving the influx of personnel associated w/ the new combatant command & how it was affecting the limited schooling there. Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 4:27 utc | 73 oops. guess i was chuckling too much to notice that i forgot to paste the url into that link… Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 4:32 utc | 74 Body exhumed by scientists to help fight against flu Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2008 4:35 utc | 75 gotta like this (even though the blogger has a problem w/ it)
Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 4:56 utc | 76 oh and yea, the new top 25 under-reported stories for 2008 according to project censored will be published oct 1st and their #1 pick is a series of stories on the massive numbers of iraqis killed & displaced by the united states war of aggression Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 5:01 utc | 77 and, the inner city press article i linked above didn’t mention it, but d’escoto, of course, was the foreign minister for the sandinista govt back in the eighties & a liberation theologist Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 5:04 utc | 78 their #1 pick is a series of stories on the massive numbers of iraqis killed & displaced by the united states war of aggression Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2008 5:17 utc | 79 i’m listening uncle. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 17 2008 6:18 utc | 80 Columbia: Witness Ties Colombian General to Paramilitaries
b: at what point do the details become an impenetrable white noise? Posted by: Lizard | Sep 17 2008 6:56 utc | 82 Three and a half month unsuccessful work – $8.7 million
uncle #75, Lizard #80, yes indeedy.
link
re b’s #81, i posted some materials expanding on those connections of montoya (on the right) back in july here Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2008 14:26 utc | 85 lion lying down with us lambs. Riding out Ike on an island, with a lion Surgar Weekly, English Version, Afghanistan Posted by: Shah Loam | Sep 18 2008 0:49 utc | 87 @ShaLoam – thanks! The Palin e-mail doesn’t seem to be worth reading, and its release will probably be used to good effect in order to portray her as a victim. Meanwhile, one can only laugh when a Rothschild criticizes Obama for his alleged elitism. Probably most Americans don’t even recognize the family name of Europe’s most celebrated (or notorious) banking family. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 18 2008 11:02 utc | 89 great essay from mahmood mamdani: Darfur, ICC and the new humanitarian order: How the ICC’s “responsibility to protect” is being turned into an assertion of neocolonial domination Posted by: b real | Sep 18 2008 18:05 utc | 90 ips: U.S. Ties to Bolivian Opposition “Shrouded in Secrecy”
Posted by: b real | Sep 18 2008 18:09 utc | 91 in kenya, the kriegler commission report, the culmination of months of ‘investigations’ and hearings by the “independent review of the elections commission (IREC)”, as expected did not challenge the stolen presidential election nor attempt to determine who actually won. in fact, it ‘found’ that allegations of rigging were just that – allegations, which only adds to the complete farce surrounding the entire ordeal.
asshole
sounds like an order
no shit. more rigging, of the kriegler rpt at least. the release of the findings of the waki commission — the “commission of inquiry on post-election violence” — have been extended into mid-october, but they have no bearing on the status of the election result. Posted by: b real | Sep 19 2008 4:25 utc | 92 air force officer humor
Posted by: b real | Sep 19 2008 4:43 utc | 93 I know the matter has already been discussed at length here and elsewhere, but I would be interested in another go-round with regard to the Israeli raid on Al Kibar on September 6, 2007. The reason for renewed interest is this speech by CIA Director Michael Hayden (noted at Cryptome). This is an official statement rather than an unsourced report or anonymous tip. Hayden explicitly states the reason for the Al Kibar raid, and narrates its background as a triumph of U.S.-Israeli cooperation. Hayden’s brief mention of the dismantling of the A.Q. Kahn network might also elicit some further questions. We are being presented, after over a year of winks, nods and leaks, with a nice piece of “official truth”. I would like to see a reasoned and documented deconstruction of that proffer, although I seriously doubt that relevant documentation is available. Further discussion of the secrecy subsequent to the raid would also be welcome. If things did indeed stand as Hayden states, that would have been superb grist for the Bush-neocon propaganda mill, heretofore not noted for its reticence. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 19 2008 5:58 utc | 94 Continuing in the vein of proffers of “official truth”, could it be that even the U.S. Senate is expressing doubts about the Fbi’s Anthrax case? They certainly have reason to be more interested in this case than in the usual run of scams. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 19 2008 7:49 utc | 95 Hannah K. O’Luthon: since that speech isn’t actually saying much, we’d have to wonder why Hayden goes on at such length and with such warmth. In particular, he makes a big fuss about the CIA–as the brains of the intelligence community and a great member of the team. And while he also goes on about the “reasoning” that led to the raid, he doesn’t tell us that the CIA was the source of that reasoning, or that it was a happy sponsor of the raid. He does, however, remind us that the CIA has to defer to the new umbrella agency…. Posted by: alabama | Sep 19 2008 9:04 utc | 96 Thanks to alabama for an interesting alternative reading of Hayden’s text. If the “official version” is true, it is difficult to explain why Israel and Syria have seen fit to take up the recent Turkish sponsored joint discussions, unless the attack was such a brilliant success that Syria suddenly saw the light. Maybe the attack should be viewed as an attempt to sideline those talks, which must have been developing around that time. Pure speculation on my part, of course, and formulated without any of alabama‘s skill in textual analysis. It’s hard to make one’s way in the wilderness of mirrors when wool is being pulled over your eyes. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 19 2008 9:41 utc | 97
here’s the relevant transcript
Posted by: b real | Sep 19 2008 15:09 utc | 98 Hannah K. O’Luthon, I haven’t been paying the right kind of attention to Turkey, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, and even if I did, I don’t believe that I’d really understand it (your very generous comments about my reading habits notwithstanding). Posted by: alabama | Sep 19 2008 15:36 utc | 99 i am concerned that we have not heard from deanander & there seems to be either no updates on her site nor any recent contribution to feral scholar – hope things are well Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 19 2008 18:28 utc | 100 |
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