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September 3, 2008
OT 08-30
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Plushtown, my dismissal of Mullins was based on his idolizing of Ezra Pound and Joe McCarthy – that’s enough for me. I’m not a conspiracy person – others are, and I leave them to it. In any case all the World Order stuff has been circulating for centuries in one form or another.
Pound and McCarthy I DO understand, however, and while Pound was a decent poet he was undeniably a raging and unrepentant fascist. McCarthy… say no more.
Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 12 2008 22:58 utc | 101
Tantalus #101, circulating yes, as has been oxygen. Does that make oxygen non-useful?
How is it possible not to be a “conspiracy person”? 9/11, Lincoln asassination (of which LBJ extended seal of records to 2015), coups worldwide, Waco killings, Oklahoma City Bombing, all of these and many more are officially explained via conspiracies. So how are conspiracies impossible or even unlikely? Or, do you deny the official explanations?
Posted by: plushtown | Sep 13 2008 0:34 utc | 102
Plush, of course I’m not denying the existence of conspiracies, I just don’t believe in a unifying theory of conspiracies a la World Order, David Icke, Dan Brown, etc etc. It’s much too close to religion for my liking.
Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 13 2008 0:56 utc | 103
not religion, history. If money rules, how can those who rule money not rule all below? Religion is all nonsense, product placement of distractions, reasons to fight below rather than to attack above.
Posted by: plushtown | Sep 13 2008 1:04 utc | 104
plushtown: conspiracy theory has moved beyond a definable term into the realm of fringe cultural identification. that conspiracies happen all the time is no longer relevant. 9-11 is the perfect example of how effective muddying the waters has been by associating skepticism of the official narrative with hologram kooks and other assorted nuts.
i asked b about what he thought happened during the “attack” seven years ago. i understand why he hasn’t responded. engaging in a conversation about 9-11 isn’t something most of us willingly do because the implication of government complicity in the attacks would, if proven, compel the complacent masses to acknowledge how deep the national scam goes.
Posted by: Lizard | Sep 13 2008 1:52 utc | 105
as amerika’s domestic dive nears bottom, and the exports of empire heighten in desperation to hold on…
there were some good things, right?
Posted by: Lizard | Sep 13 2008 2:08 utc | 106
sorry, hologram kooks as well as spooks. Re hologram nuts, am reminded of vaudeville? joke of NYC street vendor asked
“Do you have dates?”
“No, no dates.”
“Well, do you have nuts?”
“If I had nuts, I’d have dates!”
Posted by: plushtown | Sep 13 2008 2:25 utc | 108
Watch this statistic as we move toward November. So far this month at September 12th there have been 4 US KIA’s in Iraq – thats .33 per day. That is on average, and on course if it holds, to be the lowest casualty rate of the entire war. It could very well be that the brass in Iraq have drastically curtailed normal operations, until the election is over in order to toss McCain a big fat bone. That can be offered up as “proof” that “victory is within sight” as Palin said yesterday. Of course, nothing could be farther from the truth – which is probably what makes me suspicious.
Posted by: anna missed | Sep 13 2008 2:39 utc | 109
obviously anna missed. as if they don’t always have their hand on the spigot.
Posted by: annie | Sep 13 2008 4:09 utc | 110
r’giap –
according to inca kola news
chile’s bachelet: “We call for the immediate cessation of violence in Bolivia….conditions must be generated for peaceful dialogue.”
they point out, in a post on regional reactions, that
As you read down the following list:
1) Play ‘spot the difference’.
2) Note the total regional support of Evo Morales and his government.
3) Note how you have to come to a small corner of cyberspace to hear what’s really going on.
4) Note that even Alan García gets one right occasionally.
5) Note the only regional President not to have made an official statement or used official diplomatic channels is Alvaro Uribe of Colombia.
Posted by: b real | Sep 13 2008 4:44 utc | 111
just to point out that in #87 the reason i was a little confused there was b/c my eyes couldn’t differentiate the sirnames goldberg & guzman, the latter of which was the bolivian ambassador being booted in retaliation by the u.s. after bolivian booted goldberg
Posted by: b real | Sep 13 2008 4:57 utc | 112
aw crap. “surname” & “after bolivia booted…” in my previous comment
greg wilpert: U.S. Retaliates against its Ambassador’s Expulsion from Venezuela
September 12, 2008 (venezuelanalysis.com)- Reacting to the expulsion of its ambassador to Venezuela, the Bush administration attempted to retaliate by expelling the already withdrawn Venezuelan ambassador to the U.S.
Also, at the same time, U.S. officials announced sanctions against three Venezuelan government officials for alleged involvement in drug trafficking and support for terrorism. Relations between the U.S. and Venezuela thus reached an all-time low.
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U.S. State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack called the Venezuelan and Bolivian actions “a grave error” that were based on “the weakness and desperation of these leaders as they face internal challenges…”
Presumably McCormack was referring to the opposition’s violent protests in Bolivia and the upcoming regional elections in Venezuela.
McCormack went on to say, “Charges leveled against our fine ambassadors by the leaders Bolivia and Venezuela are false and the leaders of those countries know it,” he said. “The only overthrow we seek is that of poverty.”
Even though Chavez announced that simultaneously with the expulsion of the U.S. ambassador he would withdraw Venezuela’s ambassador to the U.S., McCormack announced today, “We have informed the Venezuelan ambassador to the United States that he will be expelled and that he should leave the United States.”
Meanwhile, Venezuela’s foreign minister, Nicolas Maduro, said that he is issuing a call to all countries of the world to denounce U.S. efforts to destabilize the governments of Bolivia and Venezuela via coup attempts.
Posted by: b real | Sep 13 2008 5:08 utc | 113
The Maliki coup rumor snowball continues to grow, this time from a Kurdish party.
Posted by: anna missed | Sep 13 2008 5:11 utc | 114
annie 61 – Alan Watts, Gary Snyder and the beatnik wannabees at Freedom Park in Berzerkly weren’t the first hippies, and neither were the Haight Ashbury speed freakshows, you’d have to look further north to Sonoma, Arcata, Eugene, where the real hippie movement grew, but also simultaneously all across the country West and East, liberal and blue collar, urbane and country alike, because of the music, remember there was no TV then, except Ronald Reagan on GE TV, all that existed was the music, in an amalgam of hallucenatalia. To truly put your finger on it would be like catching trails on acid, by Woodstock it was already over and back to Dakin Land, where it survives and thrives even today, like magic, right in front of your one good eye. Although many of the original pioneers have sold out to Big Agrapharm,
some like Woody Derek still resisted the machine, and of course, most of the rest of hippiedom became just a middle-class urban myth in Berkenstocks and windchimes.
Posted by: Shah Loam | Sep 13 2008 6:35 utc | 115
Lizard, link @ 106, yes we’re allowed some good things, and art does elevate, like crows flying out of the brainpan, but (re #105) history foretells, that’s why it’s deliberately muddied. If you don’t want to look at long periods to see how Illuminati info fits with other stuff you know, any historical period you care about, maybe look at serial killers as officially explained and as they fit in the current ecology.
Here is beginning of David Mcgowan’s (thanks again for link #72 previous OT) Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, opening with Marc Dutroux, labelled the Belgian Beast and protected for a while by very high zookeepers/child rapers. (As child, never understood why “beast” was pejorative. Still think should not be.) Also search within about Speck, Gacy, Bundy, Berkowitz, lots more, apply to own experience through skin and through eyes.
Conspiracies at tippy-top are scary, yes. Scary things are real.Ask Little Red Riding Hood. And I don’t mean the transformation to physical werewolf, but rather that the mayor, the governor, the lord, Gilles de Rais may well be a raper and sacrificer of children. (And this is where they’re vulnerable, if anyone would attack. This and the idea that corporations, sociopathic by definition, are “persons”.)
#117 had tried to link to specific pages both books, do “excerpt” on ist, search “werewolves” on 2nd. p. 20 was what I tried to link to, others also relevant. Hell, everything in existence is relevant. (I never understood the student demonstrators in late 60’s saying history wasn’t relevant, now I do know why they said such crap.)