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September 24, 2008
Is The Bailout the Right Cure?

Paulson uses medical terms to describe the state of the financial system.

Paulson told ABC it was essential to prevent the financial system from clogging up, "because if it does clog up, this is going to have an adverse effect on people’s abilities to get jobs, on their budgets, on their retirement savings, on lending for small businesses and so that’s where the first priority has got to be."

Bernanke too:

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., discussing statements that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke made to the Senate Banking Committee Tuesday, said he "told us that our American economy’s arteries, our financial system, is clogged and if we don’t act the patient will surely suffer a heart attack _ maybe next week, maybe in six months, but it will happen."

The fear is that losses and deleveraging on Wall Street will lead to scarcity of credit on Main Street. 

But as David C. Johnston points out, there is little evidence that such scarcity exists:

Ask this question — are the credit markets really about to seize up?

If they are then lots of business owners should be eager to tell how their bank is calling their 90-day revolving loans, rejecting new loans and demanding more cash on deposit. I called businessmen I know yesterday and not one of them reported such problems. Indeed, Citibank offered yesterday to lend me tens of thousands of dollars on my signature at 2.99 percent, well below the nearly 5 percent inflation rate. That offer came after I said no last week to a 4.99 percent loan.

So for one we wonder if Paulson’s diagnosis is correct at all.

But let us assume for a moment that it is. What is then the best therapy for clogged arteries.

Any practitioner will tell a person with that diagnosis to first stop the bad habits. Stop smoking, eat less fat and cholesterol heavy stuff, do sports. I have yet to see the Fed, the Treasury and Congress to make any step into that direction. Where is the regulation that will prevent the clogged financial arteries from immediately clogging up again after this proposed bailout? Where is the behavior change that is needed?

To repair clogged arteries doctors have developed angioplasty. Inserting and expanding a tiny balloon at the site of the blockage. The Paulson bailout would provide the balloon to widen the financial arteries. But doctors usually combined angioplasty with the implantation of a stent, a small metal coil that will keep the artery open. The stents that will keep the financial arteries open are not part of the Paulson program. Instead of some permanent solution, Paulson would have to repeat the balloon trick again and again.

Sometimes arteries are damaged so badly that they can not be reopened. Lehman or Indybank come to mind. In such a case either other arteries must take care of the blood flow or the doctors will install a shunt: a segments of a leg vein is sewn onto the arteries to shunt blood around blocked areas.

Paulson argues for other arteries to take over. He wants to donate taxpayer money to Wall Street so Wall Street can lend it to Main Street. Is he sure that those arteries are in better shape than Lehman and Indybank? The shunt solution may actually be the better one. If the U.S. government really can spend $700 billion on this problem, why not shunt them around Wall Street?

If there is a scarcity of credit on Main Street, is there any reason why the government can not lend directly to Main Street, i.e to consumers and producers of real products? The government does not use Wall Street to collect taxes. So why should Wall Street be used to distribute taxpayer money?

Paulsons diagnosis may be correct and the arteries may really clog up. There certainly was some trouble in the arteries of interbank lending last week. But the therapy he is pressing for is not the best one and it is unlikely that it will lead to permanent healing. The patient needs: a. behavior change and b. a better blood distribution system. The Paulson’s program does not provide either.

Congress needs to take a wider view on this issue. Paulson rushes in as a doctor with a ready diagnosis and a therapy and wants immediate approval for emergency action. His diagnosis may well be wrong, the therapy he proposes will not lead to permanent healing and the case for an emergency has yet to be made.

And what if the doctor is the real problem here and this the real diagnosis?

We have a treasury secretary in America – Hank Paulson. I’m afraid he’s gone insane. He’s become like the Colonel Kurtz of Treasury Secretaries. He’s gone native. He’s co-opted trillions of dollars of American taxpayers’ money and he’s playing hedge fund like a rogue trader. We have got a rogue trader in the Treasury Secretary’s office. He’s being aided and abetted by Ben Bernanke who’s been discredited as the entire Federal Reserve Bank has been utterly discredited. We’re looking at a possible inflationary depression in America and the worse is yet to come, much worse is yet to come."

$700 billion is a lot of money and there are many alternative uses. For example – the money could pay $35,000 per year to 2 million people for 10 years to do something sensible like repairing bridges and levees. That would have lots of positive secondary effects on production, local development and taxes. Saving a few thousand jobs at Wall Street hardly looks like the optimal way to spend so much money.

For once, let’s try bubble up instead of trickle down.

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Posted by: Paulson | Sep 24 2008 13:42 utc | 1

b, this cartoon just about sums up the situation.

Posted by: CP | Sep 24 2008 13:48 utc | 2

Thank you for the link CP. if you would like to use the image on your own site(s) please feel free to do so.

Posted by: matt buck | Sep 24 2008 14:08 utc | 3

Thanks for the Keiser article, b. There is a lot of solid commentary out there, but there doesn’t seem to be much solidity behind the ongoing Treasury stampede.
I’m beginning to wonder about your query as to whether the crisis is exactly what it appears to be. As a small business owner two years ago, it was already becoming apparent that the problem with the economy was, to people like us, what could only be called profiteering. Things like fuel costs getting passed down the line as surcharges that when they reached us, the end user, had swollen exponentially into something that had little bearing on the price of fuel. The banks maneuvering people into huge loans and then exploiting them mercilessly with charges and late fees and, in our case, a sub-prime mortgage masquerading as an SBA loan.
We didn’t feel so much that we were in the grip of an economic downturn, more that we were circled by healthy, sleek wolves who knew exactly what they were doing.
Now it looks suspiciously as if the profiteers, the opportunists, are simply being handed a bigger, shinier opportunity by one of their own.

Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 24 2008 14:08 utc | 4

Just to clarify comment 3. if people do want to use the image, please just download the picture and load from your own server space rather than hotlinking. Thanks

Posted by: matt buck | Sep 24 2008 14:16 utc | 5

I am still getting barraged with daily offers in the mail for credit at 0%, 2.99%, 4.99% and you name it for the next 8-10 months. The other day I got an offer in the mail from my bank for a quick $50,000, no questions asked. Not to mention invitations to myself and all members of my family to obtain new additional credit cards of all stripes and colors. Doesn’t quite fit with the picture of credit rapidly evaporating from the reach of the common man/woman now, does it?

Posted by: bea | Sep 24 2008 14:21 utc | 6

Paulson was head (aka in various positions..) of Goldman Sachs.
from wiki:
…. His compensation package, according to reports, was US dollars 37 million in 2005, and US$16.4 million projected for 2006. His net worth has been estimated at over US$700 million.
In July 2008 it was reported by The Daily Telegraph that: “Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson has intimate relations with the Chinese elite, dating from his days at Goldman Sachs when he visited the country more than 70 times.” wiki
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson says he “never once” considered it appropriate to put taxpayer money into troubled Lehman Brothers investment to help it stave off disaster, USA TODAY’s Richard Wolf reports from the White House. usa today
or see think progress
Lehman was a big Dem contributor, known as such.
just one ex and list:
open secrets
hope the links work I can’t check.

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 24 2008 14:46 utc | 7

b top:

If there is a scarcity of credit on Main Street, is there any reason why the government can not lend directly to Main Street, i.e to consumers and producers of real products? The government does not use Wall Street to collect taxes. So why should Wall Street be used to distribute taxpayer money?

Yes, and put a lot of out-of-work lower lever bankers to work, off the dole. (Am in favor of it.Am also in favor of idea that to prevent/rescind foreclosures, mortgagee of self occupied building (up to 6? apartments), should be refinanced at low interest (high interests being self-fulfilling prophecies of non-collection)and at % of current value = past deliberately blown up value. I.e if earlier s/he was paying 80% or 90% or 95% or 110% (paper lies) of assessed values, would now be at same % of re-valued value. Re-valued value = jobs.
But, is endgame. Look at history for human actions/reactions, geology for earth upheaval after weighty glaciers melt, and realize tippy-top rules by information, that they receive and that they trickle-down.

Posted by: plushtown | Sep 24 2008 14:53 utc | 8

My guess is that Paulson does not like his present position and feels coerced and put on the spot. So he is a bundle of nerves, dealing with issues he never imagined he would have to, and in the spotlight in a new way… But step up to the plate, he had to. For whatever reasons, a high respectability quotient is his curse. (Nobody knows he is tight with the Chinese, except the likes of wiki, etc.)
Medical metaphors always work, ppl immediately feel scared, personally involved, and construct some kind of mental picture.
The US has been taken over by crooks. The Paulson plan is unashamed bail out the buddies stuff. No doubt the rationalisation is that if not done the financial system will collapse and everyone will suffer. That is true under that reading. But plenty of alternatives exist.

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 24 2008 15:03 utc | 9

sorry, “% of current value = % of past deliberately blown up value” #8

Posted by: plushtown | Sep 24 2008 15:05 utc | 10

Corporate India is in shock after a mob of workers bludgeoned to death the chief executive who sacked them from a factory in a suburb of Delhi.

CEO murdered by mob of sacked Indian workers
Of course, that couldn’t happen in America. All the pussy police men and army men, cowards that they are, would rather beat up on the easy targets rather than take on the real fight.
The comments to that article are priceless….for everyhting else, there’s Mastercard, or maybe not, if you believe Hank. Here’s a sampling:

The American public should be taking notes on how to properly manage the crisis on Wall St. If the banking execs don’t accept a cap on executive pay in exchange for a bailout, then this should be the alternative.
Salviati, New York City, USA
Let the overpaid and incompetent CEOs here learn something from this. You can only push people so far before something gives. Maybe CEOs need to understand that their safety is not guaranteed either. Works both ways.
Jimmy, Chicago, USA
I have said beforeand still beleive that every CEO who hase taken a company down and a lot of workers lost jobs should be regarded as a tratior to this countryand they sould be treated as one.
Richard, Canton Ohio, USA
I think people like Eckhardt Tolle, saw this kind of activity coming, ego and greed have created such disparity on our society that this will become common place as opposed to an isolated incident. If we don’t change our ways as people and don’t get rid of CEO greed and dysfunctional egos.
Bucky Dent, Port Huron ,
The American Revolution was considered a “Criminal act” at the time… Sometimes a revolt like this will even the playing field a bit. CEO’s making 300 times the amount of the average worker is damn near criminal. Hell, in a revolution, somebody has got to die.
Travis, Detroit, USA

Posted by: Lynch Mob | Sep 24 2008 15:20 utc | 11

knwing a little about the maladies of the heart – i can tell you without prevarication – those on wall street do not possess them – perhaps some old toshiba word processor instead

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 24 2008 15:23 utc | 12

please b, antifa, r.giap, scam, pls again: have you read http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/welcome-to-the-final-stag_b_127990.html about the coup détat?
your opinion pls.

Posted by: timid | Sep 24 2008 16:22 utc | 13

For example – the money could pay $35,000 per year to 2 million people for 10 years to do something sensible like repairing bridges and levees.
Yes! It is SO MUCH MONEY. But any figure in or above the tens of millions, no matter the order of magnitude, just seems like “a lot” unless it’s factored out like this. It needs to be done more often.
What really gets me: given a high-end guess on how much it would cost to mount a trip to Mars — say $50 billion for the prototype and $10 billion thereafter — we could still go to Mars SIXTY F***ING TIMES with this money.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 24 2008 16:41 utc | 14

There is one congressperson with a pair… In 5 minutes she takes the bullshit to the cleaners and even comes with the amazing idea that taxpayers should get something for all this funny money…

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Sep 24 2008 16:46 utc | 15

chuck cliff
that’s some inspiring stuff. thanks.

Posted by: slothrop | Sep 24 2008 17:03 utc | 16

@7 “His net worth has been estimated at over US$700 million.”
Mabye he could just get together with 999 of his ultra rich friends and do the bailout that way.

Posted by: Sgt Dan | Sep 24 2008 17:04 utc | 17

Yeah! And maybe the oil companies should bail out the auto industry?

Posted by: gus | Sep 24 2008 17:17 utc | 18

I’m definitely with #11. In such a crisis, any decent people will go through a retaliatory bloodbath to punish the criminals who created the whole mess. And if you need just one reason, #17 provides it. Just shoot everyone who makes more than XX millions a year, let the state confiscate their wealth, then repay the public debts with it (the debts that weren’t due to these corrupt traitors, that is), and share what’s left equally between the 300 millions surviving Americans.
And if some think it’s too radical, well, don’t forget that desperate times require desperate measures – and this one would have better results for the majority of US citizens than the current bailout. In such a crisis, some have to make sacrifices; having the ruling economic elite of this world doing the ultimate sacrifice should be par for the course, if one considers how much they’ve fucked the planet without any retribution or punishment for the last centuries.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Sep 24 2008 17:26 utc | 19

pls, what is the meaning of “crowd control at home?
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
sorry

Posted by: timid | Sep 24 2008 17:26 utc | 20

Welcome back bea…
Pour the lass a drink barkeep. 😉
@timid
your opinion pls.
See, this

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 24 2008 17:46 utc | 21

Summon the Estates General!
Checks and balances have failed. Campaign contributors and fat cats have too much influence over all branches of our government, which all consist of elected politicians, or the appointees of elected politicians. We need at least one part of government with a veto power over those politicians and appointees, thus restoring checks and balances. I suggest we adopt the Athenian system of appointing officials by lot for at least one branch of our government. If we do it for the lower houses of our legislatures, including the U.S. House of Representatives, then a body consisting of average citizens can check and balance what the politicians and appointees are trying to do, whereas the politicians and appointees in the other branches of government can check and balance the mistakes of the average citizens.
Obviously, the politicians in Congress will never approve such a change. But a new constitutional convention — as allowed by our Constitution — could.
When the French monarchy reached a fiscal impasse because of the privileged classes’ unwillingness to surrender their tax privileges, the king called the Estates General, as allowed by the unwritten constitution of the French monarchy. The French Revolution resulted with a lot of unpleasantness. But the fiscal problems were solved, and France is currently doing very well.
Having a constitutional convention could be our equivalent of summoning the Estates General.

Posted by: lysias | Sep 24 2008 18:10 utc | 22

@11,17,19
I wonder just how long the American Man-In-The-Street is going to keep on taking it up the arse-end by fools like Paulson and Bernanke before he’s decided he’s had enough and reaches for his lever action Winchester 30-30.

Posted by: Spyware | Sep 24 2008 18:11 utc | 23

— are the credit markets really about to seize up?
A good point. We just re-fied 2 weeks ago, at a lower interest rate, with no documentation. Effortlessly.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 24 2008 19:01 utc | 24

Not until the brown outs, the water shortages, and the free schooling is killed. Even the cancellation of social progs. (social security, medicare, etc.) won’t hit right away.

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 24 2008 19:06 utc | 25

Is The Bailout the Right Cure?

Bonddad Doesn’t think so. In fact, he’s quite mad about it:

And let’s not forget Alan “bubbles” Greenspan who has yet to meet an asset class he cannot inflate into the stratosphere. Mister “I had no idea 0% interest rates and lack of regulatory enforcement would lead to this” who stands as the architect of a failed Ayn Rand policy perspective that is ruining the country fast should be beheaded, his head bronzed and placed on a pike sitting outside the NYSE with a sign below it that reads, “Asset inflation does not equal real GDP growth”.

Go read the whole piece.

Posted by: DharmaBum | Sep 24 2008 19:06 utc | 26

huh that was @ spyware at 23

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 24 2008 19:08 utc | 27

But the fiscal problems were solved, and France is currently doing very well lysias wrote.
diary: I recently visited a Medieval Castle in France.
The owners bought it in 1521.
In the past, opened twice:
Once, forcibly, during the French Revolution. Half of it, and all the tapestries, were destroyed. Yet the villagers fought to save it. All the ruin is still visible today, including the defaced family coat of arms on the front gate. The crumbling stairs, and even some fire ravaged junk.
Second, in the period between ww1 and ww2 when seigneurial largesse did mean helping out: one of the galleries, with daylight, was offered to the school – the one class met there, going up and down by the servant entrance. Presumably the teacher trod the same worn stairs. All in the aprons of the time, I suppose, and dusty with chalk. The grand high windows would have been open and the voices of the reciting children would have reverberated in the courtyard – deux fois deux, trois fois trois…
Now, in sept. 2008, the gates were open. (The impoverished Nobles accepted state subsidies so they are forced to show it under the French system.)
A small crowd waited in the sun. Shuffling on the gravel.
The present Marquis, in blue jeans, crumpled shirt, keen but worried mien, regaled us with French history, Lamartine, famous doctors, the relations between Savoy (his origins) and France, etc.
Bemused, we wandered about amongst the marquetry, portraits of local sirens, copies of other paintings, massive and spindly furniture, an odd collection.
The children were asked not to touch the “bibelots” and not to get close to the Well, a gaping hole in which many skeletons rest. They were properly awed. The Marquis skipped over the interesting part – the Castle contains many priceless maps, I pretended not to notice.
500 years on, the plebs were allowed in, to look and not touch. No photos!
Heh. Gotta hand it to the French, they know how to integrate past history and smack it to you up close.
And so it goes.

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 24 2008 19:26 utc | 28

Very well said, as usual, B!
I must say that you are light years ahead of both Hank and Ben when it comes to couching the financial meltdown in the medical metaphors…:^)
And let’s just hope the two of them don’t get the opportunity to couple their know-how of medicine with our health-care system. Otherwise, our bodies are bound to become poisoned by the same toxic waste that’s been poisoning our bank accounts!

Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 24 2008 20:32 utc | 29

Tangerine’s reality parable touches on the reasons that this amerikan mob outrage at the latest buggery of humans by elites appears laughable to an outsider.
Over the next couple of weeks we will see much posturing and pontificating from those members of the demopublican party who like to imagine they are still in touch with their plebian roots. Ms Kapture and Rev Jackson are classic examples of this breed of hypocrite who try and talk the talk. Of course whenever they try and walk the walk they reveal their shamelesss addiction to the watered down mix of power and money fed through a rubber teat to token lefties by the organisation that stands for everything they pretend to oppose.
That organisation holds them in great contempt (no one can abide a toadying lackey even asshole rich pricks), but drags them out whenever they are needed.
ie To say the words that should be coming from the dem leadership of Pelosi, Conyers et al, if they were truly representatives of their voters.
The first defence that it would be too much of a ‘surprise’ to the sleepwalking public when the dems vote this through in a coupla weeks, if the leadership had expressed such vehement opposition, will be the reason offered up to the hacks and pamphleteers, the wannabe political ‘pros’ that the dems have ennervated for the other more regular, quadrennial, in fact, farce.
Of course the real reasons are apparent to anyone who has watched this congress since 06. That dem scum aren’t representatives of the voters, they are aspiring members of the elites.
You see in a couple of weeks after the crooks have made the huge concession of letting a few tame, awed and suitably cowed ‘representatives of the people’ jump on board the free money express (albeit in the caboose) congress will pass this legalised rort in a frenzy of self congratulatory excess. The fact that joint oversight of the handout was but one of many claims, that no hybrid ‘board’ can ever effectively replace independent scrutiny by the judiciary or public review, will be glossed over.
“Historic example of the our democtacy proving it’s excellence” “restoring amerika from the brink” “This could only happen with our freedoms” will be some less over the top terms cast about as congress passes the taxpayer anal rape program.
It may take a slight tightening of the screws to persuade the public that this is the best course. Maybe they will allow some minor sacred cow of the financial establishment fail, (after everyone who is anyone has got out of it first, natch) perhaps Ford or General Motors Automotive division will announce it has to ‘shut up shop’ because the uncertainty means it can’t meet it’s immediate obligations. I haven’t bothered to study the remaining few crumbling edifices of the rustbelt closely enough to predict exactly which one it is that the greedheads have been trying to get rid of for years but couldn’t due to ‘plebian sentiment’.
Never fear the greedheads know, and if the media conglomerate doesn’t do it’s job well enough, thereby allowing a groundswell of opposition to get large enough to require appeasement, then that lame duck will be offered up.
It will have ‘synchronicity’ or whatever the cliche de jour is on Wall St, for killing two birds with one stone. It will also fracture and crumble the opposition. Doesn’t Ms Kapture come from Detroit?
How will she handle opposing this theft if the alternative is that whoever votes for her that still has an income, loses it, and then it is made to look like her fault? No you in the back row I’m not saying it will be her fault, the collapse of amerika’s vehicle industry took hundreds of legislators decades to connive. No not just them, the greedheads played just as big a part.
Of course it may not be neccessary to close down anything real (as opposed to the unreal funny money Wall St banks and loan insurers), but it will be done if the greedheads don’t cop their payout as promised.
This isn’t an argument for the payout, it is more like a statement of fact. If amerikans actually resist this outrage they had better be prepared to fight the entire war, the bail out is really just a preliminary skirmish.
I don’t believe they are which is why I reckon that the asshole theiving murdering Buffet has timed his move exactly right.
The idols of amerikan society the rich pricks that all amerikans are taught to aspire to, are fucking you up the ass. When they’ve finished they will sell their ‘fellow country men and women’ to the highest bidder to let them cop the rest of the world’s outrage for the cruelty, murder and theft of empire.
When Rome got sacked the elites had long since shot through to Constantinople, when London got bombed most of the elites were safely propped in their country houses.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 24 2008 21:06 utc | 30

Subtle reference to the bandaid to braintumour brigade — a form of disaster capitalism practiced by liberals who don’t want to address root causes of problems..
As for reference to blood & heart and masonic, particularly ‘bloodbrother’ implications: Consider: Bleader: What bleads leads…. ‘Blood of Patriots and Tyrants’ (Jefferson & McVeigh), Patriot & his Tomahawk…
*Ft. Benning Special Forces maxim — ‘Blood makes the grass grow, kill, kill, kill!!!’?
* Rothchild’s stock market advice: ‘Buy when there is blood on the streets, even if the blood is your own.’
* SS: bloodgroups tattoed on their arms; and only allowed to marry someone of pure Aryan blood.
Crazy? Maybe, but I’d be concerned about the realities of that study made by Stanley Milgram, on the legitimization of evil. Conclusion:
If a system of death camps were set up in the United States of the sort we had seen in Nazi Germany, one would be able to find sufficient personnel for those camps in any medium-sized American town.”
JMCSwan

Posted by: JMCSwan | Sep 25 2008 0:49 utc | 31

I’m skeptical of this whole thing because I don’t see it in my daily life.
Quite recently, our firm had no trouble getting start-up financing for a very large project. The city-scape here almost looks like Dubai with the number of construction cranes filling the sky.
Last night on the way home from work I stopped off at the downtown Hudson Bay store to buy new bed sheets. Good quality, 400 stitches/inch, 25% off. At checkout, was asked if I had a Bay card. No. Well, if you apply for one here, another 10% off. OK. Less than 2 minutes later I became the proud owner of a Hudson Bay Co (established May 2nd, 1670. The oldest company in North America) credit card.
House/Condo for sale signs were up for about only two weeks until recently, now more like 6 weeks, but still not a significant sign of credit crunch.
The issue is Wall St paper, not real North American day to day stuff. It’s paper – throw it in the waste basket and forget it. Its not the peoples’ problem to solve.

Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | Sep 25 2008 3:34 utc | 32

Excuse the language. delete this if you want (i’ll take the hint to try and stay on topic next time)
It’s been one phony catastrophe after another with bush. naomi klein is spot on that the republican strategy seems to be the shock doctrine. frickin’ government could pass no bailout and the markets would be fine until after the elections. same shit happened with getting us into iraq and the patriot act. there’s no time to waste. sadaam is dropping the frickin’ nuclear bomb on us, wallstreet is blowing up, the french hate us. And the god damn democrats fall for it every frickin’ single time.
Why don’t the democratic leaders in the house talk to roubini (http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini)? Forget talking with the republicans, bush, paulson and berneke. Write up roubini’s proposal, pass it with a democratic majority and send it to the white house. Give bush a meaningful package and make him sign it or take the fall for vetoing it.

Posted by: steb | Sep 25 2008 4:30 utc | 33

after talking with some non-experts and paranoia-prone cohorts, i’ve come to the conclusion that this carefully crafted simmering of insolvency that resulted from abandoning gold is coming to a boil a little ahead of schedule because these conniving leeches weren’t able to snatch up the social security treasure chest, as expected.
so Mcfuck and Oshit are left floundering in their respective corporate stews as a stammering, shiny-domed thug and his meticulously trimmed sidekick hold closed-door shakedown seminars for the doe-eyed amoebas on capitol hill.
enough of us at this humble little forum rightfully question whether the sky is falling down like Hanks says it is. i don’t think it is, but what do i know? i mean, if these barrels of cash are ultimately consigned to wallstreet, maybe abstaining from the compulsory bullshit of feeding the monster should FUCKING STOP as of April 15th, 2009.
right now the pillars are pliable. if we could only remember how to push back, that might mean something.
right now it doesn’t.

Posted by: Lizard | Sep 25 2008 6:29 utc | 34

enough of us at this humble little forum rightfully question whether the sky is falling down like Hanks says it is.
I think we need to be consistent and honest about this. Many of us here have said, and believe, the sky is falling down, but not because Paulson said it is, and not how Paulson says it is.
No bailout, at all. Not for taxpayers, or shareholders on Wall Street. Instead, a reinstitution of Glass-Steagall that separates speculative investment banking from commercial banking, for now, as a stop-gap, until a completely new system of finance can be developed for an economy that will be experiencing negative growth from here on out. Ultimately, the Federal Reserve needs to be abolished and the control of the money supply has to come in house and fall under the complete purvey of the Treasury. The Fed has so thoroughly corrupted itself, there’s no hope for any reform. You can’t turn wolves into sheep, so you might as well shoot them from helicopters.

Posted by: Salamander | Sep 25 2008 11:28 utc | 35

Removing troubled mortgages from the market

Here is the full deal, broken down:
1) Wall Street begins artificially inflating the value of real estate by peddling sub-prime mortgages to people who can’t pay them;
2) Wall Street gets rich packaging and trading the mortgages;
3) The bubble bursts, people default on mortgages they can’t afford and lose their homes;
4) Wall Street forecloses on the lost homes;
5) Wall Street sells its MBS to the taxpayers at face value;
6) Wall Street gets all the houses, and all the money
This wasn’t a failure of the system–it was on purpose. The reason that lending standards were relaxed under Chris Dodd were so that low-income homeowners could sign onto the deal in the first place. This helped inflate the price of real estate, which pumped up the MBS to such a value that they could be spread throughout the entire system. The broad diffusion of these securities mandated that later on, when the values began to drop, Wall Street could threaten the country with a genuine depression in order to justify its no-bid contract for sale of MBS to the taxpayers.
Wall Street gets houses, Wall Street gets cash, and the next several generations get the bill.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 25 2008 13:58 utc | 36

“If there is a scarcity of credit on Main Street, is there any reason why the government can not lend directly to Main Street, i.e to consumers and producers of real products? The government does not use Wall Street to collect taxes. So why should Wall Street be used to distribute taxpayer money?”
As you know, the key to this action is the multiplier effect possible through the banking sector. Even assuming 5x ratio of loan to capital, the boost to the economy is $3.75 trn (just from the base package of 750bn). Yes, paying for real project in the economy (bridges) also has a multiplier effect over time, but does not give the urgent fire-break to the economy that the administration seeks. (How do you select the luck 2m (<1%) to receive $35,000 a year...)
The unspoken question here is whether the administration is right or wrong to halt the fire. Should it be allowed to rage? Should we accept the mass unemployment and collapse of large swathes of the business sector so that we can rebuild on more secure foundations in a few years' time? The Austrian school of Economics would probably say yes, but.... Ouch!

Posted by: European | Sep 25 2008 16:12 utc | 37

Even assuming 5x ratio of loan to capital, the boost to the economy is $3.75 trn (just from the base package of 750bn). Yes, paying for real project in the economy (bridges) also has a multiplier effect over time, but does not give the urgent fire-break to the economy that the administration seeks. (How do you select the luck 2m (<1%) to receive $35,000 a year...)
But Paulson is not providing capital to the banks – at least not yet.

Posted by: b | Sep 25 2008 16:42 utc | 38

Yes Debs that video of Ms Kapt or Rapt or Kaput or whatever is quite something. She doesn’t even pretend to be sincere, or only with a superficial gloss and glimmer, such as studied hand gestures from high school – but that is the way of US pols, it is not required. Who is convinced? I suppose the point is no one, it is not the desired effect. It is fluff, fake – semi-fiction, info-tainment. In this case, anyway, sincere opposition is coming from the right, the paleo cons.
European, the Austrians are at least consistent!
From a broader perspective, the problem for the US is that is has lost financial domination or ‘hegemony’ or is about to do so, or will be perceived to have done so, which amounts to the same thing. The 700 bill. bill won’t actually fix that (imho) – throwing good money after bad, getting someone else to pay for yr mistakes, all that. Once you stick your finger in that process the whole body gets eaten up, there is no end to it, it is an uncontrollable spiral down. Crash and burn should be contained, which is one of the Austrian points (as I understand it, and not formulated in that way.)

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 25 2008 17:07 utc | 39

b,
did you see this:
“It’s not based on any particular data point,” a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. “We just wanted to choose a really large number.”

Posted by: d | Sep 25 2008 22:46 utc | 40