Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 9, 2008
Agency Bailout Misses Its Aim

As McClatchy confirms a major motive to bailout Freddie and Fannie was to appease foreign investors.

What [Paulson] didn’t say publicly is that foreigners, among other big institutional investors, had lost confidence in one of the most vital and plain-vanilla U.S. investments. In a sense, they were losing confidence in the world’s largest economy, and he needed to reverse matters.

"That’s the unstated objective," said Vincent Reinhart, a former chief
economist of the Federal Reserve’s rate-setting Open Market Committee.

But as I noted on Sunday:

Paulson today still did not give an explicit government guarantee but pushed that task to Congress.

There is not much in Paulson’s acts that will give China and Russia a more secure feeling about their F&F MBS holdings. I therefore expect them to continue their sell off of these papers.

Indeed. Russia is quite open about this:

"For the Bank of Russia, one of the holders of the agencies’ debt, nothing has changed substantially (after the U.S. decision)," the bank’s first deputy chairman Alexei Ulyukayev said in an interview at the Reuters Russia Investment Summit.

"However, we are not making any pledges. Most likely we will continue to decrease the share (of U.S. agency’s debt) a little but we will look into the situation as a whole," he said at the event, held at the Reuters office in Moscow.

I have yet to see an official from China making a remark on this, but the unofficial voice urges caution:

"China has bought a lot of asset-backed securities, and there might be short-term improvement in price," said He Fan, an economist with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

He said the takeover was the last resort for the U.S.
government, underlining that the credit crunch was far from
over.

"This shows that the risks involved are greater than we thought. As such, Chinese banks should be cautious and prudent," the researcher added.

With less buyers or even net sellers of F&F debt like the Russians, the market price of F&F bonds will sink and the interest rate they will have to offer on new bond issues needs to be higher.

That is of course the opposite of what Paulson claimed he intended. But he only pushed the real solution down the road and over to the next president and congress. They will have to make explicit guarantees for all of Freddie and Fannie’s debt or the buyer strike will continue and mortgage rates will continue to go up significantly.

With a record inventory of houses for sale and still increasing numbers of foreclosures, higher interest rates will make the situation worse and prolong the time to recovery.

Comments

I know this is off topic, but this was just released from Palins Home town:
Books Mayor Sarah Palin tried to remove from Wasilla library
This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.
When the librarian refused to ban the books, Palin tried to get her fired.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher
Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse- Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster
Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
Symbols by Edna Barth

Posted by: Diogenes | Sep 9 2008 11:49 utc | 1

This was from a link on Daily Kos. I’m not sure how accurate it is. But it seems in character, based on the Time magazine article. The list seems awfully long. Anyone have access to the Wasilla Library Board?

Posted by: Diogenes | Sep 9 2008 12:00 utc | 2

b, I’m one of those people with an Interest Only A.R.M., and if the rates rise precipitously, and I’m upside down in my house due to depreciation from over-supply, I will be forced to send Jingle Mail. The irony of this is that Owning A Home was a large part of the American Dream….and look what’s happened to that dream. But, that’s the problem with dreams, they’re just that, dreams, and then you wake up.
For the record, I have a CPA certification, a Masters Degree In Accountancy, 13 years of progressive experience in my field, prior Big 4, and I haven’t been able to land a job for close to 5 months, and I’m not alone. We’re not being told the truth. Things are that bad. Highly qualified and credentialed individuals are increasingly finding it difficult to find promising positions. If I have to backpedal, I may just exit the field of Finance altogether because it’s such a mess, and inherently corrupt.

Posted by: Hank | Sep 9 2008 12:50 utc | 3

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain !!
One of the best books ever written. I think this was be dis-information.

Posted by: DM | Sep 9 2008 12:50 utc | 4

Diogenes, My hunch tells me you’ve been had, in other words misled. Every report I have read said there was no specific list. Merely a notion to do so. However you can always contact them and ask them to confirm, that’s what I’ve done in similar situations. You’d be surprised at how eager and readily people will respond w/ what they know.
bot
What does it matter to the profiteers, if they rip off them furriners, as long as someone pays, hell and if you got da gubmint to sign up the tax payer to pay out so much the better. It’s a win/win. It’s a crap shoot, that you can’t lose, especially when playing with somebody Else’s money. Bring on the free dinners, shows, and drinks and other perks, let’s get to that Russian Roulette table post hast, it’s gonna be a New Day or perhaps a False Dawn, either way no sweat off your expense account.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 12:56 utc | 5

Diogenes #1–
While Palin has reportedly tried to interfere with the local library, this list is not correct.

Posted by: Gaianne | Sep 9 2008 13:06 utc | 6

Yep. I see this all over the web when I Goggle now. That usually means its not true. But I did find that she inquired HOW to ban books…and her church does have a certain reputation (3rd Wave Dominionism, Jesus Camp affiliation, and all that).

Posted by: Diogenes | Sep 9 2008 13:10 utc | 7

Heh. Love the list, altho’ it’s almost certainly a fake.
The inclusion of My Friend Flicka is a dead giveaway, and suggests that whoever made it up is a BTVS fan.

Posted by: dan | Sep 9 2008 13:27 utc | 8

Since the US is being hateful towards Russia by stirring up violence along her borders, Russia has no reason whatsoever to show kindness towards America by not dumping dollars for other currencies.

Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 9 2008 13:51 utc | 9

There was no list apparently, she got rebuked by the librarian on the mere principle without having put toward any name. Though your list is a list of the “most-banned books in USA”, more or less.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Sep 9 2008 13:58 utc | 10

Russian nuclear warship coming to Caribbean.
it wouldn’t surprise me to hear more about this in the news the closer we get to election time …
We’re Gonna Frickin’ Lose this Thing

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 14:47 utc | 11

Does anyone remember [or care] that back in early 2008 “private” enterprises like Lehman, Merril Lynch, goldmans Sachs, Freddie and Fannie were reported to have given their top guys bonuses in range of billions of dollars?
Its getting to were the late [socalled in the USA banana republics] of Argentine and Brazil are signing an accord not to trade in US dollars but in their own currency. And some Canadians are urging that the US pay for Canadian oil and other goodies in Canadain dollars.
Looks like the whole world has gotten wise to the neocon run US.
Still with Sarah running the Cheney gang neocons and their fundies friends are bound and determined to bring the Rapture into being asap. Better load on vodka and rum.

Posted by: omop | Sep 9 2008 15:09 utc | 12

Looks like the whole world has gotten wise to the neocon run US.
thank god for that, because americans, no matter how many of us ‘get it’, don’t have whatever it takes to turn this thing around.
better to be broke now than more of a war criminal tomorrow than we are today.

Posted by: annie | Sep 9 2008 15:17 utc | 13

I find it almost Orwellian that some of Palin’s staunchest supporters are making every effort to make sure that Palin isn’t portrayed as a book banner, but at the same time, they are longing to have a book banner in the White House.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/06/the-bogus-sarah-palin-banned-books-list/
If anything, these souped-up social conservatives oughta be deeply disappointed that she didn’t have a single book banned from her local library!

Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 9 2008 15:24 utc | 14

When the President does it, that means that it’s not illegal.

~Richard M. Nixon
Has been up graded to, “When the President corporation does it, that means that it’s not illegal” ;Jesus says so, so spake Saracuda.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 15:48 utc | 15

If anything, these souped-up social conservatives oughta be deeply disappointed that she didn’t have a single book banned from her local library!
Not to worry, she made up for it by having the Wasilla Police bill sexual assault victims for their own rape kits. So, these victims have to pay to have their rapes investigated and they have to carry the child to term if the rape turns into a pregnancy. You’d be surprised how many women dig this chick, though. It’s tragic comedy at its best.

Posted by: Josephine | Sep 9 2008 16:03 utc | 16

@Hank – @3 – I’m one of those people with an Interest Only A.R.M. ,,,I have a CPA certification, a Masters Degree In Accountancy
While I am sorry for your joblessness, I do have to ask how, with that financial knowledge and experience, could you ever sign an Interest Only ARM. Why not rent?
Best advice no.1 – Unless you have very good credit and can refinance now into a fixed interest, try to get out of the house while you can. Things will get worse in the housing market as they are now. Interest rates will go up.
Best advice no.2 – Never take financial advice from the internets.

The American dream of having a house was well when few people had a own house. But the long term home owning quote of around 64% was already high for a quite mobile nation. It doesn’t make economic sense for the society and individuals to push that rate even higher as is bipartisan policy. But the too cheep mortgages pushed that rate to nearly 69%. It will have to go down again which means that 5% of U.S. households will probably lose their home and reconvert to rent.

Posted by: b | Sep 9 2008 16:08 utc | 17

Lehman down some 30+%, Washington Mutual down 20+%
A lot of walking dead were seen on Wall Street today …
More will come along.

Posted by: b | Sep 9 2008 16:12 utc | 18

Just read somewhere, I forget where, that 11 banks have now fallen, and that, CNN’s Lou Dobbs just lost a nest egg of money, ahhh, here it is. Guess that’s what happens when you have a completely corrupte Roman Senate… one that passes laws in secrecy.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 16:21 utc | 19

Counterpunch interview with Michael Hudson: Who got us into this mess and what are the real political options?

In the old movies about invaders from outer space such as The Thing, there usually was a near-sighted scientist who said, “Let’s try to reason with it. It’s smarter than we are, because it’s come in a flying saucer with all that great technology.” The monster from outer space then would simply whack the man aside, killing him brutally.
It’s much like the Terminator from the future. “It doesn’t feel compassion. It doesn’t feel pain. You can’t reason with it,” says the movie’s hero. “All it does is kill.”
This is the task the Chicago Boys have taken on in their defense of financialized markets as being “free.” You can’t reason with them. Reason is not their job. They are not there to be fair.
But to achieve its censorial role, today’s economic orthodoxy pretends that markets work in a fair way to provide everyone with opportunity – something like a sperm with a chance to inherit a billion dollars from a Russian kleptocrat or American real estate magnate or Wall Street operator. To promote this worldview, one needs to craft a rhetoric pretending that markets are “free,” not leading to serfdom. One has to pretend that is government regulation of the kleptocrats that is leading to serfdom rather than protecting the population from predatory finance.

Posted by: catlady | Sep 9 2008 16:31 utc | 20

Wait! Isn’t Michael Hudson one of them non Jesus believing Commie pinko’s?
Oh say can you see, by the dawns early light… sing it with me or Jesus wont love you…H.R. 1389: Star-Spangled Banner and War of 1812 Bicentennial Commission Act Passed!
Stand I said!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 16:34 utc | 21

ahh, darn it, should have read, “sing it with me, or you’ll be reported and…Jesus wont love you.”

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 9 2008 16:37 utc | 22

Van Der Graaf Generator – Every Bloody Emperor

By this we are all sustained: a belief in human nature
and in justice and parity…all we have is the faith to carry on.
Imperceptible the change as our votes become mere gestures
and our lords and masters determine to cast us
in the roles of serfs and slaves
in the new empire’s name.
Yes and every bloody emperor claims that freedom is his cause
as he buffs up on his common touch as a get-out clause.
Unto nations nations speak in the language of the gutter;
trading primetime insults the imperial impulse
extends across the screen.
Truth’s been beaten to its knees; the lies embed ad infinitum
till their repetition becomes a dictum
we’re traitors to disbelieve.
With what impotence we grieve for the democratic process
as our glorious leaders conspire to feed us
the last dregs of imperious disdain
in the new empire’s name.
Yes and every bloody emperor’s got his hands up history’s skirt
as he poses for posterity over the fresh-dug dirt.
Yes and every bloody emperor with his sickly rictus grin
talks his way out of nearly anything but the lie within
because every bloody emperor thinks his right to rule divine
so he’ll go spinning and spinning and spinning into his own decline.
Imperceptible the change as one by one our voices falter
and the double standards of propaganda
still all our righteous rage.
By this we are all sustained: our belief in human nature.
But our faith diminishes – close to the finish,
we’re only serfs and slaves
as the empire decays.

And in dedication to your Mooselini, Sarah Palin…
When She Comes

Slow motion in the quiet of the room;
so potent is the smell of her perfume
that you think she’s eternal,
that you think she is everything…
but no-one knows what she is.
Repentance for all you should have said;
her entrance seems to raise you from the dead
and you think she’s really with you,
and you think that she’ll always stay,
always ready to forgive you,
always ready to grant you her mercy
– but in her own way.
When she comes, she’ll be a stranger;
struck dumb, you’ll try to protest
as the drum beats out the danger…
too late, you should have noticed
that the lady with the skin so white,
like something out of Blake or Burne-Jones
always blocked out the light
and shadowed all you owned.
Still you think she’s forever,
yesterday and tomorrow…
but no-one knows where she is.
Stillyou swear that you can win her
and your prayer is that she’ll want you;
aware, once a saint, now you’re a sinner
and your sins are going to haunt you
when the lady with her skin so white
like something out of Edgar Allen Poe
holds your hand so very tight
and you hope that she’ll never let go.
Easy targets, easy crosswords, easy life:
these key margins leave you balanced on the knife,
bleeding darkly In the end it all comes down
to sleazy bargains.
That hidden key-you tried so hard to find it,
all you can conceive is the effort to be worthy.
Even now you need tobe reminded
that La Belle Dame is without mercy.
The lady with her skin so white
– you never did quite catch her name –
now she holds you in the night
and she’ll never let go again,
she’ll never let go again.

Posted by: Last name only | Sep 9 2008 17:51 utc | 23

As I understand it, BRICs didn’t stop buying US debt before the bailout – they simply replaced F&F bonds with more Treasuries. The bailout provisions allow US government to buy an unlimited number of Agencies. Now they can sell more Treasuries to China and Russia, and use proceeds to buy Agencies.
Agency interest rate will not raise noticeably above Treasury rate, and all F&F debt will be rolled over. US government assumes exactly the same risk it would assume with an explicit guarantie. I guess it is easier politically to do it this way – no need for highly visible congressional approval…

Posted by: Andrey Subbotin | Sep 9 2008 18:04 utc | 24

While I am sorry for your joblessness, I do have to ask how, with that financial knowledge and experience, could you ever sign an Interest Only ARM. Why not rent?
Because we didn’t use the low introductory rate to get as much house as that low introductory payment could afford. We ran the numbers to see what our payment would be if the interest rate tripled, and we figured we could afford that, if it occurred, so long as it didn’t last forever, and so long as I was gainfully employed. This was in 2001, mind you, so what we are talking about now is 20/20 hindsight. Also, we planned on getting out of the house in 4-5 years, and expected it to have appreciated substantially in that time. Well, all of our assumptions have been incorrect, and here we are. We are trying to sell the house. We have been since late 2004, but no luck. Last time we put it up for sale we had 2 people look at it in 6 months. A house in our neighborhood which sold for $369,000 several years prior just sold, after being on the market for nearly 2 years, for $249,000. And, get this, builders are still building, not in our neighborhood, but others in the area. Some of the neighborhoods where building is continuing are homes for $600,000 and up.
Actually, the interest only has been our savior thus far, and it has yielded us a mortgage for the last 7 years that has been even less than rent, so, yeah, it’s like renting, but a better deal because of the tax deductions. Interest Only A.R.Ms aren’t necessarily bad, if you understand the risks and don’t bite off more than you can chew. Being upside down in your house will happen whether you’re Interest Only or Conventional, at least in the first ten years of ownership. We have friends who have poured money into their house with a conventional in order to build equity. All of that money will be lost in the next several years due to falling home values. They took the orthodox approach, and they still get screwed.
That being said, I agree that we need to get the hell out of the house as soon as possible, however, you know as well as I do that if you refinance into a conventional loan, you cannot recoup those finance charges if you sell shortly thereafter, so it’s a Catch 22. Also, the LIBOR (we have a monthly adjusting) is low right now so our payment is quite manageable for the time being, and since I’m between jobs, we really can’t afford to increase that by $1,000/month.

Posted by: Hank | Sep 9 2008 18:04 utc | 25

The agency bailout has not missed its aim: its aim is to stave off the inevitable collapse until after the elections in November. That it will probably succeed in doing.
As for banning books, it was pc radicals who wanted to ban Huckelberry Finn for its use of the word “nigger”.
But once Sarah is in office, she will certainly be banning “101 Uses for a Rusty Coathanger”.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 9 2008 18:33 utc | 26

@Hank – thanks for ‘xplainin – sounds reasonable, though still nothing i would ever do. But that’s personal preference.

@Andrey Subbotin – 24 –
In principle you are correct. But there are two problems with that.
a. Putting more treasuries onto the market will lower their price and increase their interest rate. The effect is the same as with agency debt. Interests will rise.
b. The Sec Treas buying GSE MBS and selling more treasuries to finance those makes the guarantee explicit. It also makes all over U.S. debt more visible and will hurt the country rating. The joke here is that F was privatized in 1968 BECAUSE its debt should not appear on the national balance sheet.

Posted by: b | Sep 9 2008 18:37 utc | 27

I see that Sarah Mooselini (I like that) has infiltrated into the conversation here again. No surprise, in that looking around the web and the MSM it looks like its all Sarah, everywhere. I propose that today becomes the official Sarah Inquisition Day. Look, no matter how it all goes down, the republicans will thrash and wail in their tried and tested “victim” personality regardless. So why not give them the real thing (not that anybody could tell the difference). So I say fire up the hot oil and strap her into the chair of truth and let the torture commence. Because we can rest assured that a full confession to all her lies will be forthcoming immediately, because after all, she told us it would.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 9 2008 18:56 utc | 28

Agree that long-term sale of ever more debt are unhealthy – I was only pointing that the mechanism in place is a functional equivalent of explicit guarantie, and the short-term problem of rolling over F&F debt was solved.
One lesson here is that the creditor nations, apparently without much coordination and over short time frame (1-2 months?), forced US to make a huge concession that will cost it maybe 300-500bn.
If they could force Agency bailout, could they repeat it with, say, preventing USD devaluation? Or lowering barriers for investing in US equities?

Posted by: Andrey Subbotin | Sep 9 2008 19:06 utc | 29

@Andrey. If they could force Agency bailout, could they repeat it with, say, preventing USD devaluation? Or lowering barriers for investing in US equities?
Preventing $ devaluation – ain’t the Chinese doing that for quite some time?
Lowering barriers for investing in US equities – they’ll just wait. U.S. companies will beg for capital pretty soon. The banks already do and the car makers will join and then the airlines. Congress will not stand in the way when GM or UAL asks them to allow a big Chinese stake.
Don’t be mad at those foreigners – its just a tiny payback for much bigger plays they had to endure.

Posted by: b | Sep 9 2008 19:19 utc | 30

Uncle S @11…….(we’re gonna lose this friggn thing) Yup!

Posted by: Ben | Sep 9 2008 19:30 utc | 31

Back to the original article of b
Whatever the Fed is trying to do … election day is the target day.
Until then the keel must be kept halfway even, whatever the cost. After election day … expect some really bad news, esp. for international investors. (Also for the voters, of course, but not necessarily for big US-based corporations)

Posted by: No So Ana | Sep 9 2008 19:41 utc | 32

Dow – 280, S&P500 -43, NASDAQ -60. Looks like the lion is hungry again. What will Hank and Ben feed it next week?
@Hank, #25 You’ve tried this already, but have you talked to your mortgage holder? Is it possible to negotiate some kind of payment plan? After all, it would be in their interest to let you maintain the house rather than let it go empty and to receive some payment for it rather than foreclose and sell it at a steep discount. Not to mention a brokers commission and upkeep expenses. Good luck.

Posted by: Lysander | Sep 9 2008 21:04 utc | 33

Lysander #33 It’s not that bad, yet. Thankfully, I received some severance from my previous job and we have some safety savings, albeit running low, to cover in case of such a emergency, so we can cover the mortgage right now, and like I said, the LIBOR is low right now, so our mortgage is very inexpensive, thankfully. But, but, but, that’s right now. As b asserts, and I concur, the rates will rise precipitously. I expect it to start early 2009 and continue for who knows how long. This will force more foreclosures which will further deflate home values. If I don’t get out of the house, I will eventually be faced with a sizable mortgage payment and a house worth less than what I owe on it, and the possibility of no income if the economy reacts negatively to all of this, which we know it will. It’s the perfect storm. I will do everything I can before resorting to Jingle Mail, but if it comes to that, I will have no qualms, or moral uncertainty about the decision. These jackasses at the top manufactured this, so they can have the house if it comes to that. I won’t be their slave, and that’s what it would be if I tried to hang on to the house once that perfect storm hits.

Posted by: Hank | Sep 9 2008 21:35 utc | 34

When will the evangelicals (Graham) admit that the mortgage crisis is God’s revenge for too many greedy bankers (katrina) ?
ohhh! not till after the election!!!!!! fook!

Posted by: gus | Sep 9 2008 21:40 utc | 35

Not a big fan of Jim Rodgers, but I agree w/ this one…Socialism for the Rich
Perhaps we need a crime fightin action figure to bail US out…
You may now return to your previously mediated Realities …lol

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 22:58 utc | 36

McCain isn’t even President yet, and his sidekick in the White House is already appointing people in the inner circle?
Bush Picks McCain’s Finance Chairman To Take Over Fannie Mae
Yay!
Lets see,
Amtrak Bailouts
IMF bailouts
Airline bailouts x?
Subprime bailouts
Enron bailouts
Bear Stearns bailouts
Indy Mac bailouts
More?
How many corporate bailouts are too many?
Youtube: Stop the Bailouts

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2008 23:41 utc | 37

“Amtrak bailout” = good investment, IMHO.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 10 2008 1:49 utc | 38

U$21 – You’ll go insane if you read the bills Congress wastes their time and our savings with. There are only three effective remedies; 1) Take every tax exemption and deferred compensation and rollover tax credit you possibly can, then exaggerate them by 10%, … you can always claim a memory lapse, and interest and penalties are less than real inflation now anyway! 2) Vote every single incumbent out of office, over and over, until they collectively get the message; 3) See 1) above.
anna missed – Hold that thought, use reverse logic. There are only three effective remedies: 1) Completely ignore anything with Palin’s name in it, turn the channel on everything with Palin’s face on it, and never, ever click on a Palin internet link; 2) Start a free Sarah Palin FanClub wiki on http://pbwiki.com/, or a Palin Whiteboard on http://123.writeboard.com, or a free Sarah Palin Workpage on http://www.elance.com, or best one is register Sarah Palin Manufacturing on http://www.alibaba.com, and her Google rankings will plummet; 3) Surf the right-wing blogs, and overly effuse teen spirit at the most obnoxious things Palin says, the blog masters send these to their upline, Sarah will shriek even louder. Start a Naked Teenage Girls for Palin fan club, you’ll pull down the Internet! % )
U$37 – “At Freddie Mac, David M. Moffett, currently a senior adviser at the Carlyle Group private equity firm, succeeds Richard F. Syron as new CEO for receivership.” It is not known if he severed his Carlyle Group relationship.
Seriously! WTF?! Grab a wooden stake and fight back, or get bled white!

Posted by: Freddie Freeloader | Sep 10 2008 6:22 utc | 39

And here’s the rub: they are pumping major money into the system, but not for the purpose of making it easier for people to get mortgages, but rather for covering the losses the banks made in lending money to bad risks.
I remember when the Chrysler bailout of the late 1970’s shattered my faith in free-market capitalism and caused me to see that the differences between the US and Soviet systems were chiefly just ideological window dressing.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 10 2008 7:19 utc | 40

Here is how Sarah Palin makes her executive decisions
Executive experience

Posted by: UK tax payer | Sep 10 2008 11:44 utc | 41

Roubini in rage:

The ideologue “regulators” who literally held a chain saw at a public event to smash “unnecessary regulations” are now communists nationalizing private firms and socializing their losses: the bailout of the Bear Stearns creditors, the bailout of Fannie and Freddie, the use of the Fed balance sheet (hundreds of billions of safe US Treasuries swapped for junk toxic illiquid private securities), the use of the other GSEs (the Federal Home Loan Bank system) to provide hundreds of billions of dollars of “liquidity” to distressed, illiquid and insolvent mortgage lenders, the use of the SEC to manipulate the stock market (restrictions on short sales), the use of the US Treasury to manipulate the mortgage market (Treasury will now for the first time outright buy agency MBS to manipulate and prop up this market), the creation of a whole host of new bailout facilities (TAF, TSLF, PDCF) to prop and rescue banks and, for the first time since the Great Depression,to bail out non-bank financial institutions, and a whole range of other executive and legislative actions (including the recent bill to provide a public guarantee to mortgage for banks willing to reduce their face value).
This is the largest State intervention in a capitalist economy. So foreign investors can earn fat spreads relative to Treasuries on agency debt and never face any credit risks (not even the subordinated debt holders who made a fortune yesterday as those claims were also made whole).
Like scores of evangelists and hypocrites and moralists who spew and praise family values and pretend to be holier than thou and are then regularly caught cheating or cross dressing or found to be perverts these Bush hypocrites who spewed for years the glory of unfettered wild west laissez faire jungle capitalism (and never believed in any sensible and appropriate regulation and supervision of financial markets) allowed the biggest debt bubble ever to fester without any control, have caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression and are now forced to perform the biggest government intervention and nationalizations in the recent history of humanity, all for the benefit of the rich and the well connected.

Posted by: b | Sep 10 2008 12:46 utc | 42

Well, I will say one thing positive that’s come of my unemployment. I won’t pay any taxes in 2007, so it’s not my tax money they’re using to line their pockets. Perhaps if more people followed in my path, voluntarily, rather than unvoluntarily, we could force the hand, once and for all.
People, The Masses, have such power, yet they are so conditioned, they don’t see how easy it could be. The Masses could literally take over Corporate America tomorrow if they were so inclined. But first, they would have to realize that the Corporation doesn’t rightfully belong to the Shareholders and Upper Management, and the Board are their enemies and must be disbanded immediately. The Plutocracy could easily be hung by their own petard if people could see things for what they are and stop beating each other up. We have the numbers, but so long as we allow them to fragment and fracture us, we are powerless. In fact, they are using us to destroy ourselves, rather than destroy them. It’s time to turn the tables, once and for all. The Zeitgeist was right in the 1930’s, but FDR’s programs were enough of an appeasement and placation to hold the revolution at bay. There can be no appeasement or placation this time around. Either we take control of this thing, or we’re done, for good. Any shred of freedom and liberty we’ve enjoyed is being sold to foreign interests. It’s now, or never.

Posted by: Hank | Sep 10 2008 13:11 utc | 43

There are various lists of requested-to-be-banned books (or very temporarily banned books) in the US, circulating on the internet.
Here is wiki on the most commonly objected to:
link
and the ‘most challenged’ from the ALA:
link
It is true that all on the posted list, supposedly proposed for ban by Palin, and on wiki, and on many other lists, the books quoted have been subject to attempts at bans which failed, or were withdrawn locally for short times. Partly simply because they are popular and much read.
Kooks write letters.
There is absolutely no way Palin ever tried to ban such books. There is no solid information about any title. My reading: Palin did not like the librarian, these tend to be independent and have the law on their side and to stand up to uppity Gov. types. (And they deal with intimidation very well.)
Palin wanted to know how she could go about banning books (as an ignorant Xtian) and was told in no uncertain terms to f* off. She expected cosy kow-towing and power plays over coffee, a new ally! So she tried to fire the librarian, and failed, and never even discussed banning any books.
daily Kos…!!

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 10 2008 16:18 utc | 44

b@41
Roubini’s rage says it all; the hypocrisy and lies: WMD in Iraq, Bush listens to Generals, Free Market Enterprise, Sarah Palin Maverick. The Democrats aren’t getting through the lies and the corporate media enablers. This is simple. They are Hypocrites and Liars. Repeat it any way you can, repeat it every day, repeat to everyone you know. John McCain/Sarah Palin are Hypocrites and Liars.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Sep 10 2008 17:09 utc | 45

VV,
you can hit them with Hypocrites and Liars all day long until November, but they have come to understand that the purpose of the candidates is to be a surface onto which voters project their own ideals.
SP apeaks to all the American ideals of humble origins, hard work and rugged independence. Details won’t stop her.
Obama also stands for American ideals of humble origins, hard work and a dream of social equality.
He is often attacked for his star status and cult of personality, but SP was obviously put up to be the Republican counter-cult of personality.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 10 2008 18:32 utc | 46

Ownership society, pah. Many home owners did not own their homes, they simply paid outrageous rent / admin fees to various scamsters to get temporary occupation papers.
Now official – toot toot! – all that property belongs to the US Gvmt! Or to China.
It belongs to corporations, sovereign funds, banks, occult financial entities, and so on. How the US can continue to ideologically shriek about free markets, private property, the rights of the little man, etc. is beyond me. The overlords used to be next door (the lord in the manor) now he or she is half a continent away and exercising control thru a servant or scribe and can’t even be contacted through a call center.
The guff about socialism in the mainstream press / blogs is also misplaced. The mantra is that profits go to the rich, and the losses are distributed to everyone (tax payer, etc.) That is true, but a bit short sighted, because who knows about the future, and letting Freddie and Fannie fail would have had dire effects, so it is sort of ‘for the good of all’.
Libertarians such as Austrian economists and leftists (eg. politically correct social democrats, progressive liberals, etc.) can tear each other’s hair out with ideological principles; on the ground stasis prevails, and nothing moves except when ordered by the PTB.
For the moment, the invisible hand of the market (esoteric power off somewhere in galactic space, the new tyrant, not amenable to human intervention) seems to say that this super ginormous Nationalization (the biggest in history, Maggie Thatcher nationalized Rolls Royce! – ok the coal mines too) is but cosmetic at best, and well one has …to wait and see.

Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 11 2008 14:29 utc | 47