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August 24, 2008
Open Thread 08-29
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Aug. 23 — U.S. military officials said Saturday that they are investigating allegations by Afghan officials that a U.S.-led bombing raid killed at least 70 civilians in western Afghanistan in the past week. Posted by: Chew Bakah | Aug 24 2008 5:03 utc | 2 Israel’s missile shield against Iran: Three Americans in a trailer Posted by: Ha Aretz | Aug 24 2008 5:33 utc | 3 Bush may seek sanctuary protection for Pacific island chains Posted by: 10,000 OFWs | Aug 24 2008 5:58 utc | 4 via Bruce Schneier,this is the terrorist profile findings. Posted by: shanks | Aug 24 2008 6:51 utc | 5 @ shanks, Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 24 2008 7:24 utc | 6 I don’t understand #4. The amerikan government is still hanging onto the bulk of the pacific islands that they misappropriated after WW2 fortunately amerika has finally succumbed to the pressure from the Pacific Islands forum (which met last week) to stop the rampant tuna fishing which has denuded most of those islands that were meant to be temporary protectorates. The only reason the bill will have a chance of getting through is that there are bugger all fish left to protect so the fishing lobby won’t ante up the usual bung to all legislators who vote to continue this theft. Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 24 2008 7:40 utc | 7 @Tangerine – 1 – the theory of Iraqi oil being pumped through a ‘closed’ Iraq/Saudi pipeline is indeed interesting. Thanks for the link. Since she’s no longer working for the government, Valerie Plame might feel free to share some thoughts about this hypothesis…. Posted by: alabama | Aug 24 2008 9:10 utc | 9 @ 6, DS, Posted by: shanks | Aug 24 2008 10:21 utc | 10 “Don’t blame the mirror if your face is crooked.”
We all live in interesting times. Posted by: Lysander | Aug 24 2008 14:02 utc | 11 @11 Posted by: shanks | Aug 24 2008 15:59 utc | 12 b 1 – the 2nd(3rd) gulf war on iraq was deliberate supply destruction of the lowest production cost crude oil on earth, under the dictatorial management of a baathist regime which was aiding and abetting the anti-zionist movement with oil revenues. so the urgency to gw2(3) was that anti-zionist threat, pnac boys loyal to their il neozi paternosters, but big oil’s end game, the ultimate strategy behind the rhetoric, chest thumping and 100-year war, was deliberate supply destruction, putting that lowest-cost crude under neozi management, then, after commodities futures regulation was deregulated under papa bush, making that neo management the elite zionist pharoahs of the world. like they say, ‘follow the money’, the politics and religion, the colors and rhetoric,… pure pap for the prols. Posted by: Belli Bumpin | Aug 24 2008 16:33 utc | 13 Well, I think it’s the end of Globalization as we know it, but not the end of Globalization, per se. The planet is on a trajectory for out and out Global Feudalism. Considering Peak Oil and the end of cheap energy, and the consequences of Global Warming, we will witness a global consolidation of power with the rest of us relegated to servitude in order to survive. There will be turf wars as the last vestiges of the Nation/State paradigm linger, but eventually circumstances will dictate that only a few can continue to maintain the quality of life we have seen in the past 50 years in the West, while the rest of us will wallow in a meager existence. Many Latin American countries are an example of things to come, but on a global scale with Regional and Local bosses to keep the natives passive and compliant. It may not be tomorrow, but certainly within 50-60 years. Considering that, now read Putin’s statement about Global Security again. Kind of gives you a different perspective, doesn’t it? Since when do these bastards look out for you and me except to find ways to rob us of our souls and squash any meaningful dissent? Posted by: Obama bin Biden | Aug 24 2008 16:43 utc | 14 @BB @13 – l 11 – patriot anti-missile system only has a range of 70km,
One of Georgia’s top exports- Bottled water.
Posted by: biklett | Aug 24 2008 21:01 utc | 18 surely, the diapers & baby food are for saakshivili Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 24 2008 21:28 utc | 19 http://sharpusa.cleanpowerestimator.com/sharpusa.htm Posted by: Patrick MacKenzie | Aug 25 2008 2:34 utc | 20 The doc Chicago 10 is available via bittorrent. Posted by: slothrop | Aug 25 2008 3:35 utc | 21 In Nuclear Net’s Undoing, a Web of Shadowy Deals
Said simpler: The U.S. via the CIA controlled nuclear proliferation to Lybia and Iran and covered up who else (Saudi?/Egypt?/Turkey? got hold of the material by having the evidence in Switzerland destroyed … Maliki further “cleans up” the Awakening Sunnis:
Upper chamber backs independence of Abkazia and South Ossetia – Posted by: Mentalic | Aug 25 2008 7:19 utc | 24 There was only one saving grace for me as a teen, nothing, nothing, nothing, cut through and soothed my rage and anger like the band, Yes!. (note part 1 & 2 and part 3 are automatically linked and auto-play). When I was ‘close to the edge’, (pun intended), something about their life affirming and just beyond the horizon music was and still is mystical and cathartic for me. There is a difference in ‘Professional Musicians’ top notch Entertainers and superb Performers, they were and are all three, a grand craft, indeed. Musicians beyond their time and timeless… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 25 2008 9:45 utc | 25 There was never a ‘Yes’, without Chris Squire… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 25 2008 10:52 utc | 26 keeping Yes music alive, this kid is a bass prodigy… Doing great service to Chris Squire. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 25 2008 11:33 utc | 27 Can’t help it… last one, I promise, but this kid works his Rickenbacker like a master. Enjoy… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 25 2008 11:44 utc | 28 on the “large dinner party” bombing in #23, i would wager that, like the recurrent “big wedding” party bombings, SIGINT plays a role in their targeting by way of repeated references in monitored communications to keywords or phrases that the software flags as code for dangerous activity. if SIGINT analysis is increasingly turned over to automated processes, any chatter about “the big wedding” or “the big dinner party” would obviously return false positives about whatever event fits pre-defined triggers, which then provides support for human interpretation already biased to the point of paranoia, ala the one-percent doctrine. Posted by: b real | Aug 25 2008 14:52 utc | 29 @ b real #29
being as this software is now sold in over sixty countries thanks to the GWOT, look for more of this kind of mayhem, along these lines…
Thanks a shitload, Nokia. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 25 2008 15:28 utc | 30 Dick Cheney to visit Georgia next week. The neocons a pulling out all stops to shore up the political fortunes of their prize asset, the indomitable Lion of the Caucasus. Mikheil Nik’olozis dze Saak’ashvili. Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Aug 25 2008 15:53 utc | 31 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 25 2008 16:35 utc | 32 Lots of good comments here – especially #7 on overfishing and #14 on 21st-, 22nd-century feudalism. But in 20 000 years will there be “space-feudalism” with planets as fiefs? That’s what I want to know. Posted by: Cloud | Aug 25 2008 21:33 utc | 33 when i watch that gonnoreah-ridden-golem wolf blitzer & his team of imbeciles – is that i am watching the marx brothers ‘duck soup’ on acid Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 26 2008 0:36 utc | 34 from the NSN code of conduct U$:
so as you can see, it’s all good. Posted by: ran | Aug 26 2008 2:24 utc | 35 2 men are arrested on weapons chargers (2 rifles, scope, etc) believed to be under an assasination plot on Barrack Obama at the democratic national convention Posted by: Alert! Breaking news..Uncle $cam | Aug 26 2008 3:24 utc | 36 Obama Assassination Plot? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 26 2008 3:36 utc | 37 Pentagon: murdering dozens of civilians “legitimate” Posted by: ran | Aug 26 2008 3:57 utc | 38 sudan tribune: Sudanese president offers to share Darfur wealth with US
and al-bashir made that gesture last week, prior to obama’s announcement of joe “I would use American force [in Darfur] now” biden as his running mate. biden has been particularly hawkish on the darfur issue over the past couple of years, earning him high marks (A+) from the “Genocide Intervention Network’s” darfurScores.org. Posted by: b real | Aug 26 2008 4:44 utc | 39 A curious time warp argument by Billmon. The problem of course is that counter culture hatred is not as dead as it may seem. A large percentage of AM radio still has a steady diet of 60′-70’s fare – that would be like in 1970 finding the majority of radio fare still playing Rudy Vallee and The Andrews Sisters, which definitely was not the case. While much of the counter-culture has been absorbed into the mainstream, like Jimi Hendrix’s Star Spangle Banner soundtracking a Mountain Dew commercial, it still serves as a testament to its latent viability ( even though the content has been appropriated). Not to mention the connection between the Vietnam war and the one in Iraq and Afghanistan – both of which we’re on the verge of loosing, for very similar reasons. McCain will indeed use the Weathermen, to some advantage, because most Americans STILL need a weatherman to tell them which way the wind blows. Posted by: anna missed | Aug 26 2008 7:37 utc | 41 b real [ 39] Posted by: denk | Aug 26 2008 15:41 utc | 42 Honduras joins Venezuelan pact; Chavez promises oil
Posted by: b real | Aug 26 2008 18:25 utc | 43 secrecy news blog: Anxious Governments React to Google Earth
google earth is reportedly the most widely used GEOINT application in the intel business & beyond Posted by: b real | Aug 26 2008 18:37 utc | 44 interesting image comparison of “vanished” italian airstrips on microsoft’s live earth juxtaposed against google earth link for the picture/airport I described above – pic 5-7 … Can’t help but notice that overseas meadia eg the Independent or even my local fishwrap has more on the”Obama plot” than the amerikan media. That after taking a quick gander at the NYT and seeing nothing on the front page. Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 26 2008 20:44 utc | 47 Dennis Kucinich at the DNC: Wake Up America! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 27 2008 0:08 utc | 48 b @45 – could be experimental or a hack solution for now. no doubt they’ll eventually improve their masking technologies, though all it really does it prevent users from zooming in & scoping out those facilities – those interested in them already know the coordinates & how to find what they want. i suppose the cheap masking also suffices for now to keep the browsing viewer from stumbling upon places that don’t want the attention.
also, the street view feature on google is kinda unsettling when you can view your vehicles parked in front of the house at street level and zoom in on the first-story windows. i reckon an assemblage of vehicles equipped w/ a panoramic camera putzed around the gridwork of streets at some point either earlier this spring or last fall. it was useful, however to track down someone involved in a fender bender, verifying their address by locating their vehicle in the adjacent parking lot. Posted by: b real | Aug 27 2008 4:31 utc | 49 article from armed forces press service on what new wrt the u.s. military’s objectives for the southern hemisphere
it’s obvious that the u.s. is trying (hoping?) to emulate/undercut the cubans, who went from exporting revolution to exporting doctors, by putting an emphasis on medical services, using their ships as floating hospitals and offering free checkups/vaccinations/etc throughout ports across both continents Posted by: b real | Aug 27 2008 4:44 utc | 50 howsz come the VP’s missing emails never become a talking point for the many hide’n crimes of the current admin of the u of s a? Posted by: gus | Aug 28 2008 0:41 utc | 52 the cnn coverage is absolutely unfuckingbearable. the gonnoreah-ridden golem & his crew is like some mad movie about some mad kingdom Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 28 2008 1:02 utc | 53 rgiap, Posted by: Tantalus | Aug 28 2008 3:31 utc | 54 Let’s move on now that the show is over, to the real show, the one that matters. Posted by: Thomas Terrife | Aug 28 2008 4:51 utc | 55 It’s just so demoralizing and depressing to see the same people, blogs same groundhog day etc, w/eyes glazed over in an orgasmic ga ga thinking Obama Bi den are the saviors they have been waiting for…
via the fine fine blog entitled, wood’s lot.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 28 2008 7:51 utc | 56 Annie, your link in 56 seems to be broken or defective. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 28 2008 8:38 utc | 58 Who dropped cluster bombs, Georgia or Russia? Posted by: Lurker | Aug 28 2008 12:42 utc | 59 It worked! The barricade is broken!!! USS Liberty reached Gaza. Some of the Activists are leaving Gaza today. Posted by: Jake | Aug 28 2008 14:47 utc | 61 wow jake, that is big news. from your 2nd link
this is the first i’ve heard of this. what’s going on?? Posted by: annie | Aug 28 2008 17:10 utc | 62 Some Republicans bemoaned an apparent GOP curse when it comes to summer storms and noted the contrast between the approach of Gustav and the sunny weather in Denver for the Democrats. “The Republicans can’t seem to catch a break when it comes to August and when it comes to the weather,” said Karl Rove, a former Bush adviser, on Fox News yesterday.–WaPo, August 28, 2008. Posted by: alabama | Aug 29 2008 7:14 utc | 63 Re Annie at #62 Posted by: Jake | Aug 29 2008 13:15 utc | 64 Uncle #56, thanks for links. re Alabama #63: not indifference in August ’01. Anticipation, as in the Carly Simon song used for a ketchup commercial. This is a little long, but might interest the interested. TRUE REASON POT IS ILLEGAL Fear not. We can all sleep soundly, for we are in good hands …
Posted by: Outraged | Aug 30 2008 11:39 utc | 69 @ b real, vbo, a swedish kind of death Posted by: Outraged | Aug 30 2008 12:20 utc | 70 Bust Em Before They Bite Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 30 2008 22:45 utc | 71 according to this site the hippie counter culture has strange origins and a large part of the mystery, according to the author, surrounds Laurel Canyon, outside Los Angeles. It’s a long piece, posted serially, and not yet finished, but if even 10% of the connections and coincidences are true, there is certainly something very weird about the hills and canyons outside LA. Posted by: Lizard | Aug 31 2008 1:55 utc | 72 coha: President Martin Torrijos’ Velvet Panamanian Coup
Posted by: b real | Aug 31 2008 5:45 utc | 74 @Lizard #72: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 31 2008 8:20 utc | 75 Yet another expensive, as well as risky, result of supporting Sashas little misadventure …
Posted by: Outraged | Aug 31 2008 14:46 utc | 76 DUTCH PAPER REPORTS U.S. STRIKE vs. IRAN IMMINENT Posted by: schneb | Aug 31 2008 16:15 utc | 77 schneb, Is this one in the same newspaper whom published the controversial and disrespectful Muhammad pictures? If so then, meh..
And that way McBama can say that he didn’t institute the laws, they already existed, he’s just using what is there FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. As the neo-crusade, and controlled collapse continues. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 31 2008 16:53 utc | 78 A little Sunday early evening entertainment for the bar… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 31 2008 22:01 utc | 80 Dr. Wellington & plushtown: thank you, and you’re welcome. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 1 2008 0:00 utc | 81 haven’t been posting much recently on somalia, however this is worth noting
likely that they will regain control of all southern/central somalia w/ the exception of mogadishu for the time being, as that’s the only stronghold for the ethiopian occupiers & it’s uncertain how much longer even that will last, esp w/ meles sending out new public hints that he’s not willing to shoulder the burden under the present terms/payout. the takeover of the port city of kismayo from the warlord barre a couple weeks ago was probably the most visible example of what this resistance is about. it’s like it’s early 2006 all over again. Posted by: b real | Sep 1 2008 7:07 utc | 82 Le Monde Diplomatique: Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile – Israel deliberately forgets its history
In short: There is no “jewish people” thanks for the link, b. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 1 2008 16:46 utc | 85 b In short: There is no “jewish people” Posted by: annie | Sep 1 2008 17:01 utc | 86 while i thought it was a very informative link (and saved it) i am not sure how you come to this conclusion. Killings of 5 Afghan children inflame tensions
Two days ago the Germans killed another two at a checkpoint. Before that the U.S. killed 60 children in a raid and still denies it. Following on from Ha at 3, this has probably been posted before, but is worth considering again, from Haaretz, 21.08.08: Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 1 2008 19:23 utc | 90 in the midst of all the insanity, there’s still glimmer of hope:
David Korten is the author of “The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community”, which I think someone here recommended. Posted by: Juannie | Sep 1 2008 23:29 utc | 91 We may be ‘Hard-Wired to Care and Connect”, but perhaps, that is why they want to break us down, and disconnect/alienate us… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 2 2008 0:39 utc | 92 complete fucking bullshit, uncle. and yet, for many amerikans, the entire idea of protesting has become a cliche. so the fusion center coordinated oinker response got an early start by preemptively raiding houses on flimsy justifications for computers, diaries, and household goods to trump up the fear of domestic terrorists and dissuade people from exercising their constitutionally protected rights? yawn. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 2 2008 1:39 utc | 93 Jewish DNA in Zims Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 2 2008 1:45 utc | 94 Oh, the hypocracy of it all, Hookers & blow! GOP parties as Gustav rages… Brian Ross report on the GOP parties in St. Paul as Hurricane Gustav rages through the Gulf Coast. Note: Brian Ross was just ARRESTED AT THE dnc… also, Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 2 2008 2:42 utc | 95 Juannie – I admit to being one who has cited and pointed to Korten in these comments. Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Sep 2 2008 2:50 utc | 96 It was, after all, the captain of a slave ship who wrote the hymn “Amazing Grace”. Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Sep 2 2008 3:01 utc | 97
buzzflash interview – Maggie Jackson’s Call for Focus — Fighting Back in an Age of Distraction
reader comments for the book aren’t so positive, but the topic is of interest & contextually relevant Posted by: b real | Sep 2 2008 4:40 utc | 98 schneb, from your linked Iran story:
I am not an expert by any means on these things, but somehow I doubt that unmanned aircraft can transport the payload needed to do serious damage to Iranian nuclear installations. UAV’s like the Predator or its successor the Reaper generally carry Hellfire missiles, which while extremely damaging to tanks and other armored vehicles, don’t have the punch needed to take out the highly secured Iranian nuclear facilities. Posted by: Juan Moment | Sep 2 2008 5:55 utc | 99 b real: yes yes yes. we’ve sacrificed attention for access to vast stores of info, much of it extraneous. McLuhan was a pioneer in the study of how messages are delivered and why delivery systems of information are more important to study than the messages themselves. Posted by: Lizard | Sep 2 2008 6:49 utc | 100 |
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