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August 6, 2008
Credit Card Limit Sham

There is bunch of new credit card regulations coming from the Federal Reserve and a law over credit cards is creeping its way through congress. Most of the proposed actions will be watered down or even turned to credit card company favors. In the second quarter Master Card and American Express spent $1.1 million each on lobbying efforts.

There are some big perversions within the U.S. credit card system. A little known one I stumbled upon is the relation of credit card interest rates and the FICO score which is used to evaluate ‘creditworthiness’.

There are several components in the FICO calculation. One is them:

The FICO score evaluates your total balances in relation to your available credit. This is known as credit utilization. Credit cards that are "maxed out" can lower your score. Try to spend only 30% of your credit limit.

Currently many credit card companies are lowering their customers credit limits without prior notice. They argue that this protects them from bad customers who max-out their cards before going bankrupt.

But the measures are taken against all customers in an area or of a specific class independent on the actual risk. The interest rate credit card holders have to pay on any balance
is partly determined by the FICO scores. Thereby lowering of their credit
limit increases the interests the customers have to pay.

High credit limits are often used as a marketing gimmick to attract new customers. Lowering those limits is sold to the public as cautious business practice.

But I suspect that it is simply used to increase the income of these companies. When they lower the credit limit on whole segments of customers as they seem to do, they may prevent some damage from a few percent of customers that go bankrupt. But at the same time they increase the interest rates all customers in those segments have to pay.

As far as I can tell this perversion will not be addressed by the fed or by congress.

Comments

When you are nervous about everything else, you put your money in a toll road
Uh huh! Gonna happen real soon.
Just to give you a taste, getting to work on the Macquarie Bank toll roads in Sydney, can typically cost an additional $70-$100 per week in e-tag charges. Never mind, stick it on the credit card.

Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2008 15:45 utc | 1

You guys should just shut up your bellyaching and listen to daddy…
Uncle $cam helps you see truth behind the wacky rumors and CT’s who are trying to ruin the greatest and number one in everything nation on this planet! We are the bestest, number onethst, greatest! Let all stand and sing!
because, .gov blog dispels rumors, myths, etc
But as another said, it’s great to hear that supply and demand are behind our high gas and food prices!
And finally, I’d be remiss if I didn’t pass on the solution via yet another comment, in that, “The obvious solution is to reduce the demand for food.”
You are safe to shop!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 6 2008 16:03 utc | 2

One solution is to keep a couple of credit cards open that you never keep any balance on. This hits your credit score for “too many accounts”, but that’s a minor hit compared to “too much credit used”.

Posted by: Badtux | Aug 6 2008 16:23 utc | 3

Credit card companies sell bad debts to collection agencies, usually at around 55-60 cents on the dollar. These are then listed on the “assets” side of their balance sheet.
It still sounds like they are taking a loss, but if you figure that an awful lot of credit card debt is made up of compound interest and various penalty fees, they are not really taking a hit, they are just making a modest profit instead of an extortionate one.
And remember, those are entered onto the assets side of the books. So, consumers, get out there run up that credit card debt, you are helping to generate wealth!!!
And creating a new source of energy: Adam Smith is spinning over in his grave fast enough to power a 10,000 megawatt power station.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 6 2008 19:04 utc | 4

@Badtux #3:
The CC companies are wise to this. My wife tried this, and got the card cancelled after 6 months of no activity. Bastids!

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 6 2008 20:39 utc | 5

The most recent version of the bankruptcy law does not allow credit card debt to be canceled. The person has to go to mandatory credit counseling (and pay for it) first and then come up with a repayment scheme with the card company.
If you are interested in the details of this business, Harvard prof Elizabeth Warren follows this closely. You can read some of her essays on TPMcafe as well as watch her lecture about the declining middle class on youtube.
Just search for her name.

Posted by: robertdfeinman | Aug 7 2008 13:54 utc | 6

@6 – Thanks Robert – (I have read Warren).
On stupidity (not unintended) in the bankruptcy law is that the interest and penalties on credit cards keep running up while someone waits for counseling (it can talk month). Instead of preventing bankruptcies, the new law made them more likely and bigger.

Posted by: b | Aug 7 2008 15:02 utc | 7

And don’t forget, ideal credit card customers are not those who regularly pay off their balance in full, it is the person who has such a large debt that they are compelled to pay it off in monthly installments for the rest of their natural lives, while the interest compounds…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 7 2008 15:59 utc | 8

Yes, Ralphieboy has it exactly right. I always pay off my one credit card at the end of the month. Last year I was looking more closely at my (quite high) FICO score and discovered it was slightly lowered because I did not carry any credit card debt!

Posted by: Maxcrat | Aug 7 2008 20:13 utc | 9

The most extreme case I heard of invoved a friend’s mom from Ohio, who had a drawer full of at least eighteen (!?!) expired credit cards: she would max one out, apply for a new one and use it to pay off the minimum balance on the previous one, etc…
My buddy had to go back home to try and sort it out, she had nothing to show for $40,000 worth of debt, he assumes she was into casino gambling.
The joke is, she always got a new card. She made no attempt to defraud anyone, she was using the same name and address, it was just the case of a clueless widow with no concept of money or debt.
In any case, the bank took her to court, got a lien on her home and eventually repossesed it when she tried to sell it off to her son.
And that was an example of the kind of consumer spending that powered the US economy up to now…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 8 2008 6:33 utc | 10

I was once thrown out of a hotel in NY because my credit card turned out to be a ‘debit’ card. I was unaware and surprised. I had to borrow cash from a friend and move. This was 20 years ago.

Posted by: Tangerine | Aug 8 2008 16:48 utc | 11

Credit cards are unsecured debt, meaning that they cannot put a lien on your home due to no payment or otherwise defaulting. They will however sue you in court and garnish your wages to exact their final revenge…

Posted by: James Crow | Aug 10 2008 21:33 utc | 12

I have three credit cards and a debit card.
I use the debit card for most everything routine, and for ALL recurring transactions or transactions that may be posted by a third party (e.g. magazine subscription renewal). Utility bills and such like I pay by direct debit or online payment with Quicken (because I use Quicken I am not tied to my bank for bill payment – that is a big hook they like to put in you – they are able to hang on to you because it is such a PITA to change banks with all your bills and maybe even your entire financial picture set up on the bank’s proprietary online banking system.)
The credit cards I rotate. I use one, stop using it before the statement date, and start using the next card. When the statement date arrives, I quickly pay off the full balance. Same thing with the one I am currently using – statement date getting close, stop using that one in favor of the third, then pay in full after statement date. Rinse and repeat. Cards stay active and your FICO stays up. Nobody has a reason to cancel me … I have a high FICO and the card is active … I try to put enough on the card to keep it interesting but still easily payable in full. I just have to know the three statement dates and stop using the card a week in advance or so, in order that everything gets posted to that card that is going to be posted by the statement date (so there is no payment on that card for next month). You can normally change your statement date ONCE on a card … if you can get them at the same time of the month it is easiest to manage.
This way I keep all cards in use, and by paying them in full my credit utilization is always very low (these are fairly high limit cards). If they cut my credit limit in half or more, it won’t hit my FICO because I am nowhere near the 30% utilization guideline.
If you carry card balances, do everything in your power to get them paid down. If you are carrying 1000 on a 5000 limit card your utilization is only 20% (less will improve your score). If you limit is cut to 3000, you are now at 33% and your FICO will get hit for your being over 30% over on credit utilization (I believe they look at ALL balances as a ratio of ALL limits, but I’m not positive about that, and I suspect a very high ratio on one card would hurt you).

Posted by: ScottH | Aug 12 2008 7:22 utc | 13