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July 17, 2008
The Follies of Attacking Pakistan

According to the Murdoch Times the U.S. is preparing to raid Afghan resistance bases in Pakistan:

Reports from the area said that hundreds of Nato troops were airlifted across the mountains from the village of Lowara Mandi, which has been an important base for cross-border attacks in Afghanistan. Heavy artillery and armoured vehicles were also being moved into position.

That move may suit the aggressive liberal interventionism of Obama, but it does not make any sense. At Pat Lang’s site FB Ali has two pieces describing the current situation in Pakistan and the likely consequences of such a move.

If the US mounts sustained attacks on the tribal areas, this will be regarded by all Pakistanis as an attack on their country. The upsurge of anti-US feeling will be such that neither the government nor the military could thereafter afford to show any sign of cooperation with the US. That will seriously compound US problems in Afghanistan and the region.

The mood in Pakistan is already very bad. As a traveler just back from Pakistan reports:

[T]he annual GDP per capita is under $3,000. In spite of this, over the past few months, prices for seemingly everything except pirated DVDs have risen sharply. I paid the exact same for meat and vegetables in Karachi as I do in Washington, DC.

Usually, electricity would be out for an hour or two in some areas, at most once a day. This time, however, power goes out several times a day for anywhere between 5-12 hours, as part of nationwide power load sharing.

Additionally there is a severe water shortage and the coalition government is on the brink of falling apart. Today people stoned the Karachi stock exchange after shares plunged 30%.

The Pakistani government might indeed be tempted to turn that rage against away from itself and against the U.S.

Most ‘western’ media are currently propagating that the problems in Afghanistan would be solved if only Pakistan would fight the Taliban within its borders. That impression is certainly wrong. Most of the Taliban and other parts of the resistance do not even come from the Pakistani border area but are genuine Afghans. Except for a few cities the Taliban rule the whole south and east of Afghanistan and even some sectors in the west. The only stable areas are the north where the non-Pashtun warlords of the Northern Alliance are in charge and Herat in the west which is under benign Iranian control.

Fighting the Taliban in the Pakistani border areas would not change the general situation in favor of the ‘western’ forces and their puppets in Kabul. It would instead make the situation for the troops much worse.

Seventy percent of ISAF and U.S. supplies are landed in Karachi harbor and transported by private trucks through the Khyber pass into Afghanistan. Given the current mood in Pakistan, how long would that supply line stay open if the U.S. increases attacks on that country?

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Maybe I was wrong about Herat?
‘Dozens of civilians’ killed in NATO strike in Afghanistan

Tribal elders in Afghanistan’s western Herat province have said dozens of civilians have been killed during aerial attacks by US forces.
A NATO spokesman has said a number of insurgents were killed in the operation.
News of the fighting in Herat province came from tribal elders who reported dozens of casualties in the Zirko Valley in Shindan district.
They said a large number of civilians had been killed in aerial attacks from midnight until 10:00am (local time), adding that an important tribal elder had been killed.
There were also unconfirmed reports of demonstrations beginnning against Afghan security checkposts.
The local police chief said Haji Nazrullah Khan, a hugely influential tribal leader, and three other men have been targeted and killed and four civilians injured.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2008 17:51 utc | 1

“…The upsurge of anti-US feeling will be such that neither the government nor the military could thereafter afford to show any sign of cooperation with the US. That will seriously compound US problems in Afghanistan and the region.”

Knowing Cheneyco, that is perhaps precisly why they would do it…
Drop in in the lap of the next admin?
Every step or even misstep draws us deeper and deeper into a national security state, a bonanza for military contractors, bankrupting the government, doing away w/the new deal, etc..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 17 2008 20:53 utc | 2

Once you get into a war footing, even if you are not a war president, and even when looked at in a sober light as to how irrational it is, there is still this stuff coursing through your veins that makes it difficult to stop. The front line of war on terror is between the ears of these people.

Posted by: YY | Jul 18 2008 1:59 utc | 3

Maybe events in Afghanistan will pan out the way b has described but it should be acknowledged that thus far the USuk sabotage of the Pakistani coalition government has proceeded to plan. The small investors who attacked the Karachi and to a lesser extent the Islamabad stock exchanges yesterday come from the same socio-economic group as the protesters against Mushareef last year; when they demanded that the constitution be adhered to and the judiciary be re-instated.
The new government has been hoist by it’s own petard. After considerable pressure (extortion and/or bribery really) from USuk officials from Condaleeza Rice and Gordon Brown, down, the parliament passed the Pakistan People’s Party introduced legislation which left many of the sacked judges on the outer.
That action has left the new government in trouble with the middle class liberals who elected it.
Think amerikans’ feelings about the betrayals of the ‘new’ 06 Congress.
Some Pakistani leaders have moved the campaign for the reinstatement of the judiciary which had been unconstitutionally removed by an unelected dictator, from Pakistan to amerika. From last Friday’s WaPo:

During a visit to Washington last month, Ahsan warned American legislators that instability and uncertainty in Pakistan could not be remedied until judges removed from their jobs when President Pervez Musharraf imposed military rule last November were reinstated. Chaudhry himself had been returned to the bench last July following the massive spring protests.

Heart breaking to see a democracy advocate having to shift the focus of his campaign for a constitutional democracy from the society he fights to liberate, over to the elite of the oppressor, no?
Oppressor? – Make no mistake about this. Inflation in amerika may be bad but it appears mild when compared to the savage destruction of Pakistan’s economy, deliberately engineered from outside Pakistan, to punish the people for resisting Mushareef’s dictatorship.
If Pakistanis had time to raise their heads from the day to day drudgery of feeding themselves during a period of rampant inflation combined with the wilful destruction of the investments in the ‘new’ economy they were duped into making during the period of Mushareef’s neo-con friendly dictatorship, then they probably would see the real culprit.
At the moment it is the new government which is copping the blame.
So what? They are a bunch of corrupt assholes in the PPP so why care? trouble is that the meme being pushed inside Pakistan is that “Mushareef had it right”. Peeps are being told that it is the PPP’s inept economic management which is destroying the economy and they need to ‘turn the clock back to Mushie’.
Nawaz Sarif may struggle to get a hearing in this climate.
The PPP are in more shit than they ever imagined and since many PPP officials prefer being in power to anything else they will happily do a deal with amerika and Mushareef ahead of risking losing market share to Nawaz Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League.
Crazy as it sounds the PPP won’t bite the hand that betrayed them over the judges, they will look for a way of appeasing amerika by disempowering the nationalist voices in parliament.
That by doing so they will become complete sock puppets totally dependant on amerika’s ‘support’ to maintain electoral advantage won’t give Asif Zardari’s controlling faction within the PPP, a moment’s hesitation.
One can almost sympathise. Zimbabwe, sitting on the most fertile land in Africa, used to be able to to feed it’s population several times over, but now enduring famine stands as a stark example to the econo-pol literate classes around the world of what happens to a nation whose leadership has been targeted by USuk utilisation of World Bank and IMF leverage.
I want to be wrong here but I’m not betting on that. Pakistanis have had their minds taken off ‘idealistic bullshit’ like their constitution, their territorial integrity ,and their desire to allow ancient tribal societies the right of co-operative self-determination; by being diverted to the simple neccessity of keeping food in their families’ stomachs and a roof over their heads.
This whole strategy pretty much parallels the way the same ‘neo-con’, ‘neo-zi’ (lets be blunt and call them neo-lithic) goal has been achieved in amerika. Maybe Pakistanis will see through it but I this ploy has been successfully pulled so many times in so many once vibrantly independent societies, that now, the odds must favour the assholes.
Eventually we’re going to have to go to the barricades to have a chance of getting back what was so deftly but surreptitiously stolen.
When? Who knows, probably later not sooner, but it is worth noting that the relatively new IMF research director Simon Johnson was quoted on BBC World Thursday 18th July 2008 bulletins that it was likely that many countries including some mid socio economic range ‘democracies’ would struggle to feed their populations over the next few years.
Of course medialand and co don’t put it that way, concentrating instead on the part where Johnson alluded to growth running at about 4% over the next 12 months. This is sold as a plus on a VoA story but Johnson was highlighting the fall in projected growth. Previous forecasts had estimated world growth to be about 7.9% over the next 4 quarters.
A big digression but it reinforces my point about the economy being used to distract peeps. Simon Johnson resigned after less than 12 months in the job. His resignation is effective 1st September 2008. He had called a seeming impromptu press conference on Thursday where he was shall we say ‘frank’.
The media used to just releasing the pearls of wisdom from IMF bigwigs initially ran with the frank story but by now (12 hours later) as I scurry around the net I find that the most frank statements are no longer in evidence. “Scoop’ mentions a press release but a foray into the IMF site reveals no such thing.
I must have dreamt the quotes about nations having difficulty feeding their populations, because there is no reference to that anywhere on any site any longer.
Sorry to stray so far from the original point but if anyone accepts I am not being insupportably paranoid, we are left with a situation where peeps’ right-minded concern for their fellow man is sabotaged by punishing those concern with ‘lessons’ ranging from bankruptcy to starvation.
The odds of Pakistanis successfully preventing the massacre of humans in the mis-named ‘tribal areas’ of Pakistan should be considered in that light.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 18 2008 2:35 utc | 4

Thanks Debs – good writing as ever.
It will be difficult to keep Mush up:
Polls: 83% wants Musharraf out F.P. Report

ISLAMABAD: Eighty-three percent of Pakistanis want President Pervez Musharraf to be removed and judges he sacked restored, according to a survey released by the US-based International Republican Institute on Thursday. Coming three-and-a-half months after a coalition made up of anti-Musharraf parties formed a government, the IRI survey said Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister Musharraf overthrew in 1999, was now the most popular leader, because of the uncompromising position he has taken over the issues.

The IRI didn’t get the message?

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2008 11:46 utc | 5

Afghanistan is in more trouble than I realized. This is old news (2006) but I only got it today:
USGS Assessment Significantly Increases Afghanistan Petroleum Resource Base

The USGS and the Government of Afghanistan Ministry of Mines and Industry have completed the first-ever assessment of Afghanistan´s undiscovered petroleum resources and have determined that the resource base is significantly greater than previously understood. The assessment was conducted over the past two years, with funding provided by the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.
The estimates increase the oil resources by 18 times and more than triple the natural gas resources.
Undiscovered petroleum resources in the assessed region of northern Afghanistan range from 3.581 to 36.462 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of natural gas, with a mean of 15.687 TCF. Estimates of oil range from 0.391 to 3.559 billion barrels (BBO), with a mean of 1.596 BB0. Estimates for natural gas liquids range from 126 to 1,325 million barrels (MMB) with a mean of 562 MMB.

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2008 17:11 utc | 6

The tribal areas of Pakistan need one thing only – some money, some gvmt. (Bit short for sure.) Why Pakistan keeps them ‘separate’ I can’t figure, perhaps nowadays because the US prefers it. It looks like each time ‘talks’ and moves are made towards unity Nato bombs something or other. An impression I formed…?
More than 50%, I read, in Pakistan, hold the US responsible for the violence in the country. They may not be wrong.
Calling all this ‘war’ is a misnomer. Gangsters, on a rampage. Recalls the title of a book, Descent into Chaos, by Ahmed Rashid, which Obama obviously has on his bedside table to plunge into whenever …. (It is the “iraq is a sideshow bible” I haven’t read it myself.)
Here is Rashid interviewed by Amy Goodman:
link
@ Addition to Debs is dead at 4. Kosovo – supposed to be a success in the humanitarian stop the hate bring in democracy the free market – is destroyed.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 18 2008 17:18 utc | 7

Hmm – Ahmed Rashid

Six weeks before 9/11, the Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid hosted Karzai at his home in Lahore.

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2008 17:43 utc | 8

In the 1950s, in the wake of Eisenhower’s “Atoms for Peace” plan, Pakistan obtained a 125 megawatt heavy-water reactor from Canada. After India’s first atomic test in May 1974, Pakistan immediately sought to catch up by attempting to purchase a reprocessing plant from France. After France declined due to U.S. resistance, Pakistan began to assemble a uranium enrichment plant via materials from the black market and technology smuggled through A.Q. Khan. In 1976 and 1977, two amendments to the Foreign Assistance Act were passed, prohibiting American aid to countries pursuing either reprocessing or enrichment capabilities for nuclear weapons programs.
These two, the Symington and Glenn Amendments, were passed in response to Pakistan’s efforts to achieve nuclear weapons capability; but to little avail. Washington’s cool relations with Islamabad soon improved. During the Reagan administration, the US turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s nuclear weapon’s program. In return for Pakistan’s cooperation and assistance in the mujahideen’s war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the Reagan administration awarded Pakistan with the third largest economic and military aid package after Israel and Egypt. Despite the Pressler Amendment, which made US aid contingent upon the Reagan administration’s annual confirmation that Pakistan was not pursuing nuclear weapons capability, Reagan’s “laissez-faire” approach to Pakistan’s nuclear program seriously aided the proliferation issues that we face today.
Not only did Pakistan continue to develop its own nuclear weapons program, but A.Q. Khan was instrumental in proliferating nuclear technology to other countries as well. Further, Pakistan’s progress toward nuclear capability led to India’s return to its own pursuit of nuclear weapons, an endeavor it had given up after its initial test in 1974. In 1998, both countries had tested nuclear weapons. A uranium-based nuclear device in Pakistan; and a plutonium-based device in India
Over the years of America’s on again off again support of Pakistan, Musharraf continues to be skeptical of his American allies. In 2002 he is reported to have told a British official that his “great concern is that one day the United States is going to desert me. They always desert their friends.” Musharraf was referring to Viet Nam, Lebanon, Somalia … etc., etc., etc.,
Taking the war to Pakistan is perhaps the most foolish thing America can do. Obama is not the first to suggest it, and we already have sufficient evidence of the potentially negative repercussions of such an action. On January 13, 2006, the United States launched a missile strike on the village of Damadola, Pakistan. Rather than kill the targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s deputy leader, the strike instead slaughtered 17 locals. This only served to further weaken the Musharraf government and further destabilize the entire area. In a nuclear state like Pakistan, this was not only unfortunate, it was outright stupid. Pakistan has 160 million Arabs (better than half of the population of the entire Arab world). Pakistan also has the support of China and a nuclear arsenal.
I predict that America’s military action in the Middle East will enter the canons of history alongside Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust, in kind if not in degree. The Bush administration’s war on terror marks the age in which America has again crossed a line that many argue should never be crossed. Call it preemption, preventive war, the war on terror, or whatever you like; there is a sense that we have again unleashed a force that, like a boom-a-rang, at some point has to come back to us. The Bush administration argues that American military intervention in the Middle East is purely in self-defense. Others argue that it is pure aggression. The consensus is equally as torn over its impact on international terrorism. Is America truly deterring future terrorists with its actions? Or is it, in fact, aiding the recruitment of more terrorists?
The last thing the United States should do at this point and time is to violate yet another state’s sovereignty.

Posted by: John Maszka | Jul 19 2008 12:57 utc | 9