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Terrorist Lists
Neither of North Korea nor Nelson Mandela should ever have ended up on a ‘terrorist list’, a dubious concept in itself. But it is revealing who got priority in delisting.
President George W. Bush announced Thursday the United States would lift some trade sanctions on North Korea and remove the communist nation from its terrorism list, a dramatic move that came after Pyongyang provided long-awaited details of its nuclear program. North Korea off U.S. terrorist list, June 27, 2008
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Officials say Nelson Mandela will be removed from U.S. terrorism watch lists under a new law waiving travel restrictions on the Nobel Peace Prize winner.
The measure signed by President George Bush Tuesday authorizes the U.S. State Department to waive travel restrictions on Mandela and other members of the African National Congress who were listed for activities they carried out against South Africa’s apartheid regime decades ago, Mandela removed from U.S. terrorism list, July 1, 2008
I find such lists and the usually attached sanctions to be tools of either dumb people who are unable to understand another persons point of view, or as nefarious methods of coercion on issues that have zero to do with the stated ‘terrorist’ cause.
As the U.S. Congress (on order from AIPAC) now even sees content neutral satellite TV providers like NileSat and ArabSat as ‘terrorist entities, the last point seems to be the prevalent one.
Tonight the sky was laced with contrails and mares tails like cold blue marble,
surrounding another lapiz lazuli marble, if you’ve ever lain on the grass with
legs up in the air on a warm summer’s day in the tall grass and daisies, doing
your salamba sirsasana and gazing calmly up at the sky, walking on the clouds.
A bruha in Tucson once taught me to make clouds evaporate with my mind, we were
up in some arroyo out by Ajo, seated by a small spring, and as each cloud would
pop up over the canyon rim, we’d fire mental laser beams until it dissolved away.
I don’t think she was really teaching me how to zap clouds, as much as to notice
them, and that’s come in handy out on the open water with cats paws on the waves,
that ‘wet scent’, for lack of a better description, long before the storm clouds
pile on. And it’s come in handy in the 3Wd, at night, when all the stars come out,
and I mean all the stars, and you realize how cocooned in cages we are in
our western society, oblivious to night creatures outside our window, or the dew,
or the rustle of leaves as the hissing snow gently falls in huge clots in spring,
or frankly, everything, if you’ve ever spent a whole summer in the wilderness.
Which brings me to “bonus malus“, and no, that’s not Latin for “porn video”. It’s
a user tariff employed in France to regulate large SUV’s, and being expanded to
other forms of social engineering, … not like everything we do in the US isn’t
already bonus malus‘d up the collective ass, in other, massive consumption directives, massive deficits, massive corporate tax incentives, massive Defense
“not a budget line item”, as Reagan was taught to mime, another $156B poof! poof!,
and they’re already talking about another “economic stimulus” loan of our future
taxes to ourselves, 50% origination fee, at interest on our share of around 28%,
so you gotta wonder if this is where a bank credit card bailout will come from,
and who will pay the nursing home fees when they evict us out of our hovels.
So the question becomes, if bonus malus is employed by the States now for
social engineering, and bonus malus reaming continues from the Fed, just
how many bonus’ can our asses malus before we lose consciousness?
So, this:
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STATE OF OKLAHOMA
2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008)
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1089
By: Key
AS INTRODUCED
A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and directing distribution.
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”; and
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and
WHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and
WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:
THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state’s legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.
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Anyway, first, kill your TV and PC! Then go walk the clouds on your morning salamba sirsasana. Trust me, this epoch will all be over, very soon.
Posted by: Apestan Zappatos | Jul 4 2008 7:01 utc | 10
I read almost every word of every post. This is the best reading I do every day. Uncle, you are terrific. Wish you were part of the community here in Tucson.
I couldn’t have said it better Jake, although I would have written ‘Darwin, Australia’.
Same with this line:
B? Nonsense? Hardly! *lol* You are awesome!
How very true.
Whilst there is hardly a day going by where I don’t check in at least once, I tend to not comment a lot. For a variety of reasons I guess.
The quality of b’s posts and the comments are top of the league, written it seems by people with a huge horizon and a wealth of knowledge. Quite often I am amazed how much interesting historic or otherwise useful details are presented in a single thread, would be great to meet some of you mooners. Anyway, enough of this back slapping and get on with it.
The United States were settled with methods close to genocide, North American Indians almost wiped out. Ever since then, its violent birth, has the States history been one of military escapades, killing and maiming countless innocent civilians either through indifference, or worse, intent. From the Philippines, over Hiroshima, Nagasaki, to Vietnam, right through to today’s murderous campaign in the Middle East, the US military has been one heavy duty slaughter machine, or may I say, terrorist organisation.
So, do lists of designated ‘terrorist orgs’ make sense? They do, but only if the US military is listed near the top. HAMAS might have killed hundreds, maybe thousands, figures dwarfed by the millions of victims the US military has churned out.
Going by the US’s own definition of terrorism, as per Federal Criminal Code, Chapter 113B,
…activities that involve violent… or life-threatening acts… that are a violation of the criminal laws of […] any State and… appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; …
almost every US administration has been a major terrorist organisation, with full scale war and area bombings being its choice of weapon, although other means of terrorising civilians, such as outright torture of prisoners or inhumane and crippling sanctions are also getting a good work out. Full spectrum terror.
Unless the US includes itself in its catalogue of bad guys, the list will be as adequate as a list of cold countries not including Iceland.
Posted by: Juan Moment | Jul 4 2008 9:39 utc | 12
Uncle Scam at 5, I did not understand your link to metafilter.
B, no way.
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I think at the start of the internet there was a lot of hope for dissident or minor opinions of whatever getting some kind of grip. And that has not happened, if anything things have gotten worse. Sounding off on the internet is not a substitute for political action. Complaining to the void actually helps no one, though it may educate readers, does I think (duh, otherwise I’d be on the terrace jawing about the price of socks or some stupid thing), and actually does more (not for now), but it is basically a public opinion, marketing thing. That has bite but is hard to measure; not up to expectations anyway.
For me, the 9/11 story was emblematic. At the start many ppl questioned the official version, and some excellent opinion, speculation and investigation was posted on the internet – take you pick, Hopsicker, Killtown, Holmgren (sp), many others. They either faded away – they had done what they could with the tools available (mostly internet) – or quit in disgust – or survived as stubborn, but became less active. The debunkers of questioners who made money and became public figures were Johnny come latelies – David Griffin, Steven Jones, the family survivors, a few others.
Now, sites like 9/11 blogger resemble the usual we-have-an issue-to push in US politics.
Rallies, meets, websites, stickers, T shirts, heckling in public, small dues to like minded organizers, recommendations to vote for Cynthia McKinney (the only 9/11 questioner). They might as well be activating for new or different tariffs on bananas (those poor Guatemalans), better health insurance, or stellar rights for whomever. The movement (NOW so-called) has become normalized, conventionalized, one more strand in US politics. Very fringe, or too cool, depending on the audience, the day, etc. The ‘heroes’ are establishment figures – ppl who have published books and receive good money for public speaking, are applauded, whose jokes are laughed at. They go home having earnt some money to pay the mortgage.
Results? Zero.
9/11 bloffer (genuine typo not corrected.)
Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 5 2008 16:15 utc | 20
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