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July 19, 2008
OT 08-26
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b, No one talks about Guantanamo bay too much any more. Although the snail like progress of the detainees cases through the judicial systems means that those arrested as children will probably have their cases determined in time to win the freedom to apply for old age pensions, most westerners particularly amerikans prefer to pretend Guantanamo Bay doesn’t exist. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 19 2008 22:24 utc | 2 @1 Posted by: jlcg | Jul 19 2008 23:38 utc | 3 @2 Buckaroo, too bad it’s moving the same pace as the glaciers move and not as fast as they are melting. Posted by: mikefromtexas | Jul 20 2008 2:26 utc | 5 Check out the Non-Energy Crisis by Lindsey Williams(YOU TUBE, worth checking out for sure), would appreciate you’alls response to his comments. What say ye? Posted by: duncan | Jul 20 2008 2:31 utc | 6 I might’ve bought that “Peak Oil Is A Myth & Conspiracy” line ten years ago because my birth-religion required me to believe that resource-depletion would never be a problem. But the whole Jesus-is-coming-in-a-few-decades-to-fix-everything schtick reveals itself as immensely dangerous when you realise that he ain’t comin’. Posted by: Cloud | Jul 20 2008 4:03 utc | 8 Jesus-is-coming-in-a-few-decades-to-fix-everything schtick reveals itself as immensely dangerous when you realise that he ain’t comin’.
we can expect only shame from judge robert’s supreme court. Posted by: annie | Jul 20 2008 5:57 utc | 9 As much as the Greens seem to have finally pushed to the top of the ant heap, Posted by: Ali Shahbinowitz | Jul 20 2008 6:28 utc | 10 @Buckaroo @1 – What is your best estimate on the question of the USA or Israel attacking Iran? Anyone using nukes?
Supreme court to decide if exclusionary rule should be upheld – will this allow better prosecution of detainees? Posted by: bellgong | Jul 20 2008 8:34 utc | 14 Could try some optimistic stuff for a change: prospects for war crimes prosecutions initiated by US allies; potential for multilateral human rights monitoring based on the International Bill of Rights (UDHR/ICCPR/ICESCR); precedents for exercise of ICCPR Article 41? Now that the Constitution’s gone, it’s all the US has left. Posted by: …—… | Jul 20 2008 9:22 utc | 15 justice? a colloquial term. Posted by: anna missed | Jul 20 2008 9:24 utc | 16 @Annie I don’t expect you or anyone else to say anything to me but if that picture at wikileaks is of a detainee in amerikan custody as it is claimed to be then I expect that amerikans should be ensuring that it is circulated and discussed outside of the corners of the this rock that those responsible can comfortably ignore. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 20 2008 9:28 utc | 17 ” … if that picture at wikileaks is of a detainee in amerikan custody as it is claimed to be …” Sunday mid morning listening? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 20 2008 13:09 utc | 19 Synthetic Pot as a Military Weapon?
Sometimes the good guys (or well intentioned guys) who scare me more than the bullies. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 20 2008 13:36 utc | 20 The problem with the US is desperately simple – it is too big. Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 20 2008 14:52 utc | 21 Gitmo is the public, nay publicity face, of a concentration and torture camp. Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 20 2008 15:30 utc | 22 JUSTICE, n. A commodity which is a more or less adulterated condition the State sells to the citizen as a reward for his allegiance, taxes and personal service. Posted by: beq | Jul 20 2008 17:15 utc | 25 Today’ èrrant’ killing:
Nato bombing blunder kills 13 in Afghanistan
The problem with the US is desperately simple – it is too big. Posted by: Cloud | Jul 20 2008 20:12 utc | 27 The problem with the US is desperately simple – it is too big. Posted by: Jake | Jul 20 2008 21:56 utc | 28 debs, you’re right of course. i will make a point of sending it out now. Posted by: annie | Jul 21 2008 0:19 utc | 29 There is so much happening right now. The reason I went to the wikileaks site was to learn more about ACTA a secret agreement being negotiated to enable elite control over what is allowed on the internet.
All discussion of that topic, which isn’t much at all has concentrated on authorities being able to seize and search any ipod hard drive or other data storage device. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 21 2008 1:24 utc | 30 question – why is the search feature for MoA not inclusive of all the archived content? is it a google flaw? or are the archives not all in one location? or, perhaps, some are not made available to the search for whatever reason? Posted by: b real | Jul 21 2008 16:02 utc | 31 re: #31 Posted by: rudolf | Jul 21 2008 16:30 utc | 32 We make me sick. Posted by: beq | Jul 21 2008 16:39 utc | 33 b real… I have wondered that myself, I even offered to buy the all our archives but b seems reluctant or to busy to put it together. And the google search in my book is suspect. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 21 2008 20:14 utc | 34 @Annie and beq Great to see that there are some making sure this horror can not be avoided. I use Wikileaks a lot and I have to admit that that pic on the front page disturbs me every time I go there but that is why it is there of course. It may make us feel uncomfortable but what is that in comparison to the victims pain and distress? Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 21 2008 20:42 utc | 35 Has Zanu-PF outwitted the IMF?
This piece of slanted ad hominem gossip won’t have legs if a picture is really worth a thousand words. The par sits directly under a photo of Mugabe and Tsvangirai shaking hands at the meeting. The same image was in a vid run on BBC World. The BBC are completely dependent on others for footage since Zanu-PF tired of their one sided tirades against the president on the beeb. In the Herald story this obvious disconnect is explained thus:
That complexity is just too hard to work. Lies spread by western media rely on a superficial analysis by the consumer.
is not only beyond the bounds of normal hypocrisy it is dangerous ground.
The part of this paper that really gets my goat comes next:
Zimbabweans are starving and these World Bank technocrats are dispassionate to the point of sociopathy when they discuss the problems they have caused as if it were the rersult of a laboratory experiment, which of course it was.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 22 2008 0:04 utc | 37 there can be no doubt that this wikileaks picture belongs in the book of revelations introduced by Western civilization ? Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 22 2008 0:09 utc | 38 @giap I see you caught Ishmael’s New Yorker comments as well. He always manages to provide pithy insights, the Louis Farrakhan tale being one of his best. Cant help but notice one of the posts on the YouTube site: Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 22 2008 2:05 utc | 39 DiD Posted by: Jake | Jul 22 2008 13:48 utc | 40 #36, Posted by: anna missed | Jul 22 2008 17:48 utc | 41 BREAKING: Willie Nelson agrees to Farm Aid-type event in support of Impeachment
For you party poopers… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 23 2008 17:57 utc | 42 b – What happened to the site meter at the bottom of the page? Posted by: beq | Jul 23 2008 21:06 utc | 45 “That’s all Folks!” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 23 2008 21:48 utc | 46 I’m easily amused. This CBC asithappens interview is pretty funny. Interesting NYTimes artilce on Afghanistan’s heroin culture. It almost arrives at some interesting, but unmentionable, hypotheses. Fortunately, the only “bad guys” profiting from the drug trade are Afghans: the thought that figures from the U.S. establishment might be silent partners or even Godfathers is, of course, never considered. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 24 2008 8:40 utc | 48 You must see/listen to George Galloway. Posted by: DM | Jul 24 2008 11:49 utc | 49 Latin America Kingdom Of Paradoxes: Galeano Posted by: b real | Jul 24 2008 14:46 utc | 50 for those following somalia, michael weinstein has a good recap of the events in the ARS over the past two weeks in his latest analysis – After a Charade Somalia’s Opposition Ruptures
surely this outcome could have been seen beforehand, though. the opposition & resistance on the ground has been making immense strides in controlling territory – they’ve a strong hand in any negotiations w/ the occupiers and it was unfortunate that sharif fell for the deceptive agreement in djibouti. (i’m assuming that when he’s still stating that it called for the ethiopians to withdraw in 120 days, as he has been quoted recently, he was being sincere – though incorrect according to the wording of the terms for withdrawal.)
Posted by: b real | Jul 24 2008 20:18 utc | 51 b – the link in #14 is wreaking havoc on the layout of this thread. can it be fixed? Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2008 3:23 utc | 52 the u.s. is still protecting its RPF proxies & pressuring the UN to keep karake in darfur
no reason, eh? oh…how about the very fact that he has been indicted for genocide? what kind of message does that send the world, let alone bashir given the recent ICC indictment? or is that the message – stick w/ uncle sam & it’s all the impunity you ever dreamed of.
and what about his longer record? (see, for instance, UN-AU hybrid force to Darfur will be headed by a Rwandan war criminal)
Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2008 3:39 utc | 53 This article from Salon may have already been cited here. To me it looks fishy: the Inslaw-Promis references will merit a “wacko” label although, in mitigation one might at least note that Michael Riconosciuto doesn’t make an appearance here. Moreover, for the most part the sourcing is anonymous. The allegations about “Main Source” may (or may not) be true, and although I have little doubt that there is indeed a hell of a lot of other “dark matter” yet to be discovered around the black holes of the Bushian universe, this kind of reporting doesn’t really measure up to what is required. The problem is that real spooks don’t talk much, and dead ones even less. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 25 2008 5:11 utc | 54 @beq – 45 – sitemeter is still on the bottom left As is not infrequently the case, an acknowledged rightist shows more lucidity than the “respectable moderates” Americans will vote for in November. Also at antiwar.com this follow-up on the Yushchenko “poisoning” is worth a look. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 25 2008 6:24 utc | 56 Wayne Madsen’s link to this bit of cleaning up loose ends in Pakistan may have already been noted here, but, if not, it certainly merits a Jack Ruby memorial award. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 25 2008 8:45 utc | 57 Iraq: Alarm at forced transfer of Basra union activists
cnn: Colombia admits rescuers posed as journalists
the article also brings up the red cross symbol, critically, but perpetuates the falsehood that only one person was wearing the symbol.
Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2008 18:30 utc | 59 swans: The Soros Media “Empire”: The Power of Philanthropy to Engineer Consent
Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2008 19:00 utc | 60 Neil Young makes a good point: Posted by: Rick | Jul 26 2008 0:56 utc | 61 this goes w/ #51 above
as weinstein recapped in his analysis linked above,
mareeg online ran an article, Somali opposition alliance leader accuses fired leaders of treason, quoting hussein mohamed farah aideed,
so i’m not sure that ould-abdallah will get much mileage out of claiming that sheikh sharif sheikh ahmed still chairs the ARS.
inner city press reported on wednesday the 23rd (“UN’s Somalia Envoy Favors Referral to Ocampo”), that
ould-abdallah needs to keep the idea alive that his ARS contacts still maintain legitimacy in order for the signed agreement to actually mean anything. as weinstein pointed out, “For all its trouble, the West has acquired a paper asset that has no redemption value.”
“after the deployment of a sufficient number of UN Forces”
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2008 7:09 utc | 62 another barker analysis, to go w/ #60
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2008 8:07 utc | 63 @Rick @61 – I agree
FDIC only has some 50 billions. Those are melting away pretty fast now and then it is again the taxpayer who will be made to pay. Rwanda Trains Somali Army Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 26 2008 18:51 utc | 65 it’s almost humorous how some enablers will use words to hide behind
iow, those threats were excessively exaggerated to serve political (& geopolitical) ends. or, more succintly, bullshit Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2008 20:20 utc | 66 this bovrev post explains a bit more about #59 above
Posted by: b real | Jul 27 2008 6:59 utc | 67 this little article from Dissident Voice may be useful when your rightwing authoritarian office cow worker tells you the surge worked.
Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 27 2008 8:44 utc | 68 Thanks to b real and dan of steele for the useful links given above. With regard to Dan’s link at 68, buying allegiance, albeit temporary, looks like a very astute bargain, although it does not yet extend to purchasing the support of leaders of the oil workers union. One can only wonder why this method wasn’t used much earlier. Details regarding the negotiations would be welcome, but surely will not be forthcoming in any useful timeframe. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 28 2008 7:45 utc | 69 In line with the previous post, here, from Cryptome, is a list of participants for the upcoming Bohemian Grove get-together. Many here will recall Nixon’s (politically incorrect) characterization of that elite meeting. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 28 2008 8:54 utc | 70 #70 HKOL, thanks for Boho list link, but the tree pissing is not upcoming but just ended. Here’s link to Nixon taped quote to which you refer, but he also wrote (or approved) in his Memoirs that Thought this interesting: Emily Litella moment: just realized reporter is not including Medicare portion, 1.45% twice, which makes variety of sense since that portion is not capped now, so no change under whatever Obama is proposing. chalmers johnson on shorrock’s new book
i’ve mentioned that previously, as well as that of getting subversives hired on as service workers elsewhere, where the vetting is probably even more relaxed for those low-wage positions Posted by: b real | Jul 28 2008 16:42 utc | 74 2 children killed by Canadian troops in Afghanistan
Only two days ago: Four civilians killed by British soldiers in Afghanistan
yusuf chahine, egyptian filmmaker, anti zionist, thinker – rest in peace – peace be upon you Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 28 2008 23:34 utc | 76 tack this on to #62 above
also, one source reports that the cia is trying the alliance for the restoration of peace and counterterrorism (ARPCT) again
one of those warlords who figured prominently in the alliance just got booted from his job as mayor of mogadishu on wednesday.. finally
so what are the odds that dheere won’t have any problem picking up a little cash (in USD) on the side… Posted by: b real | Jul 30 2008 4:41 utc | 78 Israelis Kill Palestinian Boy at Protest, Witnesses Say
a new one from michael barker, shorter this time, taking a look at some of the names behind a new HRW book timed for the olympics in china
Posted by: b real | Jul 30 2008 18:50 utc | 80 b real @ 80 – yes – it is all out war on China before and during the Olympics. Expect some ‘surprise’ events. When the big O is over, expect some serious backslash. It is not that the Chinese do not recognize such manipulations … Any comments for or against this new search engine site, cuil.com? I like their privacy policy:
Posted by: Rick | Jul 31 2008 2:36 utc | 82 @Rick – sounds good to me – I am not sure yet if I like the search results they give …
Ladies and gents, I give you… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 31 2008 6:09 utc | 84 Adding to @79 – first the kill a boy, then they shoot at the funeral …
Nonaligned countries back Iran’s nuclear program
Oh,how loath this woman… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 31 2008 11:58 utc | 87 Rick @ 82. I have started using Cruil and it looks refreshing. Have to wait for the real security wags to comment on vulnerabilities, though. And I like how pages are organized and assembled. Posted by: Jake | Jul 31 2008 17:33 utc | 88 russ feingold blowing smoke on the senate floor today wrt somalia
rather than having “done little”, the current conditions (“collapse”) in somalia — the violence, displacement, starvation, fundamentalist extremism, etc — can actually be attributed to a large degree to coordinated u.s. strategy, as we’ve observed & documented here for the past couple of years now.
oh please. the western-initiated djibouti agreement, which was not inclusive to begin w/, was engineered exactly to divide the opposition, which it did.
somalia will receive even bigger focus again in a dem administration, w/ lots of spin
Posted by: b real | Jul 31 2008 19:28 utc | 89 billmon seems to have diary on dKos:
Posted by: Fran | Jul 31 2008 20:02 utc | 90 Finally! Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 31 2008 22:50 utc | 91 well, related to that last item in #78 above, according to today’s garowe online it looks like a major rift in the TFG is widening
but
here we go again
Posted by: b real | Aug 1 2008 4:57 utc | 92 Anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 1 2008 6:05 utc | 93 should have read, ‘and paid the real killer handsomely. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 1 2008 6:06 utc | 94 meanwhile…Travelers’ Laptops May Be Detained At Border. The policies cover “any device capable of storing information in digital or analog form,” including hard drives, flash drives, cell phones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also cover “all papers and other written documentation,” including books, pamphlets and “written materials commonly referred to as ‘pocket trash’ or ‘pocket litter.’ ” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 1 2008 6:19 utc | 95 Anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in
Suicide … hmmm … suicided? By whom?
Case ‘solved’ and closed now? @Uncle @95 – I wrote about that a month ago: The War On Tourism @bernhard @96 = I wrote about that a few moments ago: ;-P Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 1 2008 7:56 utc | 98 Bush to unveil US intelligence overhaul, what? like this? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 1 2008 8:45 utc | 99 Well, there will be cross postings to bear. (And uncle contributed to “War on Tourism”, so was aware) Suicides have been official explanations for lots of people to die last few decades, Phil Schneider, Amshel Rothschild in Paris 7/8/96 (6′ 1”, he hung himself from a 5′ high towel rack), Hunter Thompson, Marilyn Monroe (breasts don’t make one invulnerable), James Forrestal (Truman’s Secretary of Defense) … and lots of microbiologists. |
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