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US Special-Ops, Not Colombian Army, in Hostage Rescue
Months in the Planning, the Operation Included US Special Forces Posing as Members of a “French Humanitarian Group”

A U.S. military special-operations unit carried out the recent rescue of three Defense Department contractors being held by the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), according to a source who has first-hand knowledge of the operation.
The U.S. military contractors – Marc Gonsalves, Thomas Howes and Keith Stansell – had been held captive by the FARC ever since their surveillance plane was shot down in February 2003 over the Colombian jungles. Also rescued in the mission were 11 Colombian military and police officers as well as former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt – who also is a French citizen.
The source of information for this report asked not to be identified, though Narco News has not been led astray by this source in the past.
The source claims the rescue mission was a U.S.-led operation with Colombian support – as opposed to the reverse, as has been widely reported in the U.S. media. The operation had been underway for some months prior to the July 2 rescue day.
In priming this pump, the U.S. team managed to plant some satellite phones with the FARC. The source declined to provide details on how that was accomplished for fear of compromising future operations of this nature. From there, the U.S. military used its technology to set up surveillance by intercepting the FARC’s communications.
The whole operation was carried out, the source claims, under the guise of being a humanitarian mission. The FARC, the source claims, believed they were dealing with a “French humanitarian group.” The communications intercepts helped to facilitate that deceit, the source adds.
A BBC report provides a similar account of the rescue operation, only that report claims Colombian soldiers were in the pilot seats.
“Colombian soldiers – apparently posing as members of a non-government organisation – flew them [the hostages] to freedom in a helicopter,” the BBC report states.

Of course…
Colombian rebels paid $20 mln to free Betancourt MOSCOW, July 4 (RIA Novosti) – Colombian rebels received a $20 million ransom for the “staged” release of 15 hostages, including former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. citizens, Swiss media reported Friday……
Wasn’t McCain just down there in Bogota…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 5 2008 11:51 utc | 1

@1, sarkozy = RR

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 5 2008 12:25 utc | 2


Wasn’t McCain just down there in Bogota…

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maybe all the little leaks are the primer for the big leak it was mcCain the hero rescuing the hostages.
hollywood.

Posted by: annie | Jul 5 2008 13:10 utc | 3

Bush, Colombia & Narco-Politics

By Andrés Cala
July 3, 2008 (Originally published August 8, 2007)
Editor’s Note: In view of John McCain’s trip to Colombia in support of a proposed “free trade” agreement, we are re-posting a story from last year by journalist Andres Cala, providing background of the underworld connections of Alvaro Uribe’s government:
George W. Bush’s strategy of countering Venezuela’s leftist president Hugo Chávez by strengthening ties to Colombia’s rightist government has been undercut by fresh evidence of high-level drug corruption and human rights violations implicating President Alvaro Uribe’s inner circle.
These new allegations about Colombia’s narco-politics have tarnished Uribe’s reputation just as Bush has been showcasing the Harvard- and Oxford-educated politician as a paragon of democratic values and an alternative to the firebrand Chávez, who has used Venezuela’s oil wealth to finance social programs for the poor across the region.

thanks annie…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 5 2008 13:24 utc | 4

somebody spliced audio of Charlie Manson talking with GWB talking.
The whole thing is 3 minutes long. I’m afraid to comment on it too much. Clearly, the exercise isn’t arbitrary – they have the same kind of drawl and both express a desire to make their mark, at least.

Posted by: H | Jul 5 2008 13:46 utc | 5

uncle
Then, in December 2006, embarrassed by the ongoing criminality in the AUC’s Santa Fe Ralito safe haven, the government put some paramilitary leaders in prison.
i remember this, i believe the ’embarrassment’ was discovering the officials who were supposedly imprisoned for their agreed terms in the reconciliation process were later found to have paid off some locals to serve their terms for them. then when the laptop incident came up AFTER they had already supposedly confessed to everything it nixed the previous terms of their agreement which was designed originally to allow them to resume political careers after they paid their dues.
big mess

Posted by: annie | Jul 5 2008 14:49 utc | 6

Uncle Scam, synchronicity, I was just thinking in the car, sure and McC was there in Columbia…
It is characteristic, some of these important people just have to be there, it is an adventure to them. Like Giuliani and Netenhayou (sp) being in London on the day of the 7/7 bombings. It is of course the deceptive aspect that draws them, the fictional scenario. And with their presence they signal ‘something is going on / is going to happen’ but they can’t keep away! They need the thrill of being conspirators, participating, or seeing at least a part of it ‘going down’..
On Friday morning my Columbian friend told me that 20 mil was paid before I heard it on Swiss Radio. She said everyone in her home town knew it. Today’s paper (le temps, pen of correspondent in Bogota) in the headline says that the senator Piedad Cordoba confirms that the official story is bogus.
On another note, my friend also tells me that in her town the ‘amnesty plus reinsertion program’ is working fine. The ex-terrorists (argh, I swore not to use that word anymore) are accepted and helped. Until the day they transgress – then its bye bye birdie. She was quite fierce about that.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 5 2008 15:06 utc | 7

Oh, just to elaborate a bit. Last year Uribe created a fund of 100 million dollars for deserters who would free, or flee with hostages (this extra to the re-insertion program.)
from le temps 5.07.08: On 14.06.08 Uribe announced in public that those who held Ingrid had contacted the Gvmt. for guarantees if they would liberate her. He reported he responded: Tell them they can act, they can do it, don’t waste time with more phone calls, money / amnesty / exile / new identity are promised.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 5 2008 15:24 utc | 8

Interview with Rafael Correa, President of Ecuador circa 4/08

Is it true that Reyes had contacted the French in order to negotiate the liberation of Ingrid Betancourt, when he was bombed?
Uribe doesn’t want peace, nor does he want hostages released, because Betancourt is a potential presidential candidate. It’s true that we’d known that contact would be made in a neutral third country in order to liberate them later on Ecuadoran soil. President Chávez also asked me if we could receive hostages in our territory because a transfer over the Colombian-Venezuelan border had become very dangerous. We were in the middle of that process. Those movements toward liberation of the hostages that the guerrillas entrusted to Reyes were precisely the reason Reyes was destroyed.

Posted by: annie | Jul 5 2008 15:39 utc | 9

AP: U.S. Okayed Korean War Massacres

SEOUL The American colonel, troubled by what he was hearing, tried to stall at first. But the declassified record shows he finally told his South Korean counterpart it “would be permitted” to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners, to keep them from joining approaching enemy forces.
In the early days of the Korean War, other American officers observed, photographed and confidentially reported on such wholesale executions by their South Korean ally, a secretive slaughter believed to have killed 100,000 or more leftists and supposed sympathizers, usually without charge or trial, in a few weeks in mid-1950.
Extensive archival research by The Associated Press has found no indication Far East commander Gen. Douglas MacArthur took action to stem the summary mass killing, knowledge of which reached top levels of the Pentagon and State Department in Washington, where it was classified “secret” and filed away.

Posted by: b | Jul 5 2008 16:07 utc | 10

Some terrorist assassinated Hitler. As it was a beheading there might be connection to some Taliban groups.

Posted by: b | Jul 5 2008 16:31 utc | 11

Greetings from Bogota.
I can assure you it was quite real. As real as the Reyes op.
Hoo-ah.
And anyone who believes those hostages would have cost a mere 20 mil, doesn’t know jack about FARC.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 18:18 utc | 12

Hi pat, THE pat? Welcome back. Let us know more.

Posted by: b | Jul 5 2008 18:35 utc | 13

THE pat.
Lemme know what you wanna know. I’ll see what I can do.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 18:55 utc | 14

Iran warns of Gulf blitzkrieg, Hormuz closure

Iran’s military chiefs warned on Saturday that the Islamic republic would shut down the Strait of Hormuz vital for oil exports and use “blitzkrieg tactics” in the Gulf if it came under attack.
“All the countries should know that if Iran’s interests in the region are ignored, it is natural that we will not allow others to use it (the strait),” said army chief General Hassan Firouzabadi, quoted by the Fars news agency.

Also see,
The finishing touches on several contingency plans for attacking Iran

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 5 2008 19:40 utc | 15

@pat – your current mission, how it’s going, what are your personal thoughts about it?
I found your comments quite valuable then. Now: What’s the U.S.military job in Bogota, Columbia and elsewhere?

Posted by: b | Jul 5 2008 19:45 utc | 16

pat
a ‘military operation’ did not happen & you know it. colombian newspapers will tommorrow report on an arrangement with certain members of farc
colombian ‘intelligence’ even with american infrastructure is & has been hopeless. if it indeed possessed human intelligence farc would have been finished long ago
colombia is one of the few whores left in latin america with her legs wide open enjoying it’s servant role to the empire. that uribe – a man whose taste for massacres is well known & recorded as is his familial relation to death squads. uribe’s utter servitude to the narcotrafficers is common knowledge even amongst conservative elements in colombia
it is a good thing for the hostages to be free – but it was not due to ‘intelligence’ in any form, military or otherwise
it is what is called in the blues business -‘last deal gone down’

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 5 2008 20:53 utc | 17

I represent the US military in Colombia. Not alone, certainly. Arrived in January and I’m missing summer. (No summer in Bogota any time of the year. Could be worse.)
Funny, b, because when I arrived I was told, “At least here we’re winning.” That about sums it up. Walking into any kind of success story after the past six years makes one feel kinda guilty. (I know, I know: Uribe is evil incarnate. Chavez is a prince. We’ll agree to disagree – as will most Colombians. I’ve heard and read it all. No blood on the floor, please.)
The US military’s mission is truly one of support (welcome change, that) with a very small footprint. Counterinsurgency as it really ought to be done. (Nice if you can swing it.)
Wednesday was, as stated, a Colombian enterprise. Not US-led nor US-planned. They tried in Feb and it failed, though not due to the Colombian Special Ops. Those guys don’t suck.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 21:01 utc | 18

rgiap, you old marxist sweetheart. How’s life been?

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 21:06 utc | 19

So tell me, I’ve been away so long: Have you broken out the party hats over the now vanishingly small prospect of war with Iran? (Not Uncle, I see.)
I know I have.
(There’s indeed more news coming regarding that operation, rgiap. But not that “news.”)

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 21:29 utc | 20

i’m slurping up the champaign as we speak pat

Posted by: annie | Jul 5 2008 21:42 utc | 21

“vanishingly small prospect of war with Iran”
Given the cheneyite search for a casus belli, who knows?
If you’re right, and I hope you are, Sy Hersh may emerge in all this as a psyops tool.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 5 2008 21:43 utc | 22

If you’re right, and I hope you are, Sy Hersh may emerge in all this as a psyops tool.
Posted by: slothrop | Jul 5, 2008 5:43:38 PM
Oh I guarantee it.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 22:10 utc | 23

Would that be with or without sarcasm, annie?

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 22:12 utc | 24

I myself am enjoying a lovely Flor de Cana.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 22:14 utc | 25

Whether or not there was a rescue or a swap is irrelevant, the fact is that once again amerikan murderers are killing the citizens of a sovereign state going about their business in their own nation. Pat can talk about small footprints and other bullshit rationalisations to cover amerikan murdering but that all it is. Pat wouldn’t tolerate foreign intervention in amerika of the sort that is going on in colombia and is therefore a hypocrite.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 5 2008 22:39 utc | 26

nice to hear from you again Pat, could tell from your syntax it was really you! Figures, that!

Posted by: anna missed | Jul 5 2008 22:44 utc | 27

Sovereign indeed, Debs.
Which is why the Colombians say, “Chavez go home.” And Santos will be the next president.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 22:52 utc | 28

Thanks, anna. I endeavor not to stay too long.

Posted by: pat | Jul 5 2008 22:58 utc | 29

farc aare not exactly my cup of tea but i hope sincerely that operation colombia is the last gasp of the empire in its evil policies against the people of latin america
even peru, hardly the leftist of nations has its ancient hoods like fujimori facing justice. in a just world fujimori & guzman will have to share the same cell for eternity

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 5 2008 23:11 utc | 30

Panama has refused to host a US military base to replace the one the US has in Ecuador.

Posted by: Ensley | Jul 6 2008 1:28 utc | 31

Pat, you’re really back. How cool is that?
Way, way cooll!

Posted by: alabama | Jul 6 2008 1:52 utc | 32

And where have YOU been? How’s France? Or was it?

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 2:10 utc | 33

C’mon, alabama. Don’t crap out on me.

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 2:22 utc | 34

Would that be with or without sarcasm, annie?
sorry for my non reply, i dozed off and still have a case of the fuzzies. possibly a wee bit of sarcasm to celebrate the occasion of your return to the ol waterin’ hole.
as you can see we’re still pluggin’ away callin’ a spade a spade ‘n then some.
sloth has joined the party. howdy sloth.
so..bogata, how cosmic. seeing as it’s sat night are you planning on snorting some of the local product w/your sidekicks down there?
hee hee . just kidding.

Posted by: annie | Jul 6 2008 2:25 utc | 35

How’s France? Or was it?
that was lupin. unless you’re referencing r’giap.

Posted by: annie | Jul 6 2008 2:29 utc | 36

seeing as it’s sat night are you planning on snorting some of the local product w/your sidekicks down there?
– annie
Ah, really, there goes the paycheck. Along with much else.

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 2:36 utc | 37

al giordano: So, That’s Why McCain Went to Colombia

It was a set-up from the get-go, choreographed by the Bush administration and eagerly embraced by Colombia’s narco-president, Alvaro Uribe. Yesterday’s liberation of high-profile hostages in Colombia was merely the gloss for the larger rescue mission: to save Senator John McCain’s flagging presidential campaign.

Upon the hostages release, McCain had a statement all ready to go. This line in it was interesting:

“I’m pleased with the success of this very high-risk operation. Sometimes in the past, the FARC has killed the hostages rather than let them be rescued.”

Let me translate that into English: the Colombian Army’s meat-cleaver approach to fighting that country’s civil war is littered with botched rescue missions and more collateral damage upon civilians than a hurricane can cause. The success of yesterday’s raid is how we know that Washington’s fingerprints were all over this one.
It was an image-laundering operation, and at that, a two-fer: Uribe gets to look bold and competent and is delivered new talking points to justify his authoritarian reign of terror, and McCain is made to seem as if he’s like, well, Bill Richardson or Jesse Jackson, who really have negotiated the release of hostages and prisoners.

Posted by: b real | Jul 6 2008 3:26 utc | 38

Please don’t listen to Al.

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 3:29 utc | 39

Let me translate that into English: the Colombian Army’s meat-cleaver approach to fighting that country’s civil war is littered with botched rescue missions and more collateral damage upon civilians than a hurricane can cause. The success of yesterday’s raid is how we know that Washington’s fingerprints were all over this one.
– Al
The Colombians can’t do anything for themselves. South Americans suck.
Of course.

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 3:33 utc | 40

to (loosely) tie together the lone reference to the korean war in this thread w/ the more prominent focus on the u.s. military-to-military relationship w/ colombia, i’ll cite a passage from winifred tate’s 2007 study, counting the dead: the culture and politics of human rights activism in colombia:

The United States has been the primary model and ally for the Colombian military for the second half of the twentieth-century. This relationship began in earnest with Colombia’s provision of a battalion to fight alongside the United States during the Korean War, the only Latin American country to do so. In the context of the ongoing domestic “unrest” of La Violencia, the decision to send troops was viewed by some as pandering to the United States and a convenient means for the Conservative president to rid the corps of Liberal officers, but it undoubtedly left a lasting legacy. Exposed to the U.S. army’s weaponry, training and structure, the Colombians excelled on the battlefield and returned with a new vision of a professional military, including new ideas of military command structure, doctrine, intelligence, and communications. These lessons were widely taught in the reinstituted military academies and ushered in a new era of close ties with the United States. Throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, there was “extensive collaboration effort between [the] U.S. and Colombia in developing the latter’s internal security apparatus.”

i probably posted that excerpt previously. nowadays, since the cold war is kaput & the colombian military doesn’t really want to pretend to play along w/ all the particulars of SOUTHCOM’s “war on drugs” (esp when they would indict themselves in the narco trade), it’s easier for most observers to realize that two things are going on here — first, alliances w/ the u.s. allow the colombians to get plenty of aid, arms, and intel to exterminate their political enemies w/ impunity, and, second, the u.s. wants that other colombian import to keep flowing north.
from a sept 2005 GAO rpt, Efforts to Secure Colombia’s Caño Limón-Coveñas Oil Pipeline Have
Reduced Attacks, but Challenges Remain

Why GAO Did This Study:
Oil is one of Colombia’s principal exports. The Caño Limón-Coveñas oil pipeline transports almost 20 percent of Colombia’s oil production. The pipeline originates in the Department of Arauca in northeast Colombia. It carries oil nearly 500 miles to the Caribbean port of Coveñas. The pipeline has been a principal infrastructure target for terrorist attacks by Colombia’s insurgent groups. During 2001, attacks on the pipeline cost the Colombian government an estimated $500 million in lost revenues for the year. The United States agreed to assist Colombia in protecting the first 110 miles of the pipeline where most of the attacks were occurring. We examined how the U.S. funding and resources provided to Colombia have been used, and what challenges remain in
securing the pipeline.
What GAO Found:
Since fiscal year 2002, the United States has provided about $99 million in equipment and training to the Colombian Army to minimize terrorist attacks along the first 110 miles of the Caño Limón-Coveñas oil pipeline, mostly in the Arauca department. U.S. Special Forces have provided training and equipment to about 1,600 Colombian Army soldiers. …

also see
Oil and US Policy Toward Colombia

The Bush administration has come up with numerous justifications for its annual handout of around $700 million in mostly military aid to Colombia. Of these, the war on drugs and the urgency of combating “narco-terrorists,” which is code for battling guerrillas from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia – People’s Army (FARC-EP), are the most common. Another oft-cited, and far more unlikely, reason for beefing up Colombia’s military is the administration’s ostensible desire to “defend democracy” in Colombia. There is, however, another factor driving US involvement in Colombia that receives rather less public attention: oil.
That concerns about oil were influencing the Bush administration’s thinking about Colombia was evident from very early on in the president’s tenure. The administration’s controversial May 2001 National Energy Policy report, which called for heightened government efforts to secure supplies of oil from abroad, noted that “Colombia has…become an important supplier of oil to the United States.” Colombia was in fact only providing about 3 percent of US oil imports at the time, but in light of the Bush administration’s enthusiasm for diversifying America’s sources of oil and its eagerness to reduce its reliance on the potentially unstable and/or hostile Persian Gulf oil states, Colombia attained significance.
This Bush administration emphasis on the importance of Colombia’s oil has been a feature of policy statements since 2001. One of the reasons behind US involvement in the country, the State Department explained in a 2003 report on policy toward Colombia, was that “Colombia has important reserves of petroleum, natural gas and coal.” The point was made again in April 2007 by State Department official Charles Shapiro in testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, when he stated that “Colombia is a strategic energy partner with coal and petroleum production contributing to global energy supply.”

iow, pat is another cog in the global oil-protection service. watch out, if the altitude don’t get to yr head, the fumes most certainly will

Posted by: b real | Jul 6 2008 4:29 utc | 41

I am a cog in the wheel. Just not in the way you think.

Posted by: pat | Jul 6 2008 4:35 utc | 42