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May 8, 2008
Open Thread 08-18
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Jimmy Carter –
The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class
This is very much worth your time to watch. Highly recommended. Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2008 8:50 utc | 2 First, I just want to say how grateful I am for “Moon of Alabama” and the various posters here. Because of a discussion today, I realized just how absolutely crucial “Moon” is in keeping me informed. Moreover, I pass along the information to others. Posted by: Anonymous | May 8 2008 9:26 utc | 3 Above was by me, Owl, but for some reason the signature did not get on. One professor pointed out that Elahi has saved himself lots of hassles at airports by having all this information available. Posted by: Owl | May 8 2008 9:28 utc | 4 A rare piece of good news, though I don’t see how they will be able to get any supplies in:
Posted by: Alamet | May 8 2008 14:08 utc | 6 the associated press‘ take –
latest michael klare article on tom dispatch
Posted by: b real | May 8 2008 15:21 utc | 7 FBI raids Special Counsel Buildings Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2008 16:57 utc | 8 Sorry, also see, this… Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2008 17:01 utc | 9
Posted by: Cloud | May 8 2008 17:13 utc | 10 Cloud, this reminds me of a sci-fi story (by Frederick Pohl, I think — The Man Who Ate the World). Posted by: Chuck Cliff | May 8 2008 18:32 utc | 11 The responsibility for gross consumption has been that of the poor for a long time. One only has to consider the increased rates of obesity and diabetes amongst people with lower incomes to realise that we live in a society where the poor are encouraged to over-consume by way of mass advertising and media campaigns but those who are better off consume ‘personal trainers’ or dieticians whose primary aim appears to be to assist the ‘client’ to counter the dangerous messages being pushed out to the masses. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 8 2008 20:50 utc | 12 So it wasn’t an accident after all:
Posted by: Alamet | May 8 2008 23:11 utc | 13 thanks Uncle for #2, I highly recommend it to other moon dwellers, in particular it sheds light on the strange apparent boom in discretionary consumption by working people while bankruptcies are going up, which ties into other stuff on this thread. it does take a while but it is worth it, best lecture by a professor I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been in a university for far too long Posted by: boxcar mike | May 9 2008 1:15 utc | 14 @#10 and 11: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 9 2008 1:46 utc | 15 @#10, 11, and 15: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 9 2008 1:50 utc | 16 A small puzzle. Why is Sec. of Def. Bob Gates the only one(aside from Laura Bush,who threw them under the Bus) making announcements about Myanmar.I have yet to see anybody but him.We know that State’s Condasleazy is always so busy(M.E.,Russia and all),but nobody from State or anywhere else! I know its to send a message,but what and to who? China? Posted by: R.L. | May 9 2008 2:58 utc | 17 Uncle @2. Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | May 9 2008 3:59 utc | 18 Cloud, this reminds me of a sci-fi story (by Frederick Pohl, I think — The Man Who Ate the World). Posted by: Chuck Cliff | May 9 2008 4:29 utc | 19 Sorry about the double post! Posted by: Chuck Cliff | May 9 2008 4:36 utc | 20 Pentagon Drops Post in Pakistan for Top General
The Pakistani didn’t want this torturer in their country. U.S. immigration raids are about to get ugly
# 22, Posted by: anna missed | May 9 2008 7:55 utc | 24 This interview with Hans Blix might be of some interest. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | May 9 2008 9:03 utc | 25 Uncle, my today’s paper had an article about the middle class in Germany collapsing, but it mentioned (following German studies) flexi-work, temp work, unemployment payments, and the (presumbably swiss) author threw in the ‘strong central state’ argument and taxation. A mish mash… Posted by: Tangerine | May 9 2008 17:17 utc | 26 @Tangerine – all these “average” consumer spending issues don’t make sense. @Hannah – @25 – Interesting – Blix is correct here:
He also emphazises not to humilate the other. A very important point in diplomacy the U.S. has forgotten. wrt the warren lecture on the collapse of the middle class Posted by: b real | May 9 2008 20:48 utc | 29 Yeah, here’s an opportunity. Computer games are the fastest growing industry in USA. Posted by: Atom Ant | May 10 2008 5:07 utc | 30 For those who need visual aids, Collapse of Middle Class: Posted by: Polly Anna | May 10 2008 5:24 utc | 31 b, i did say it was a lying stat. the problem lies firstly with the definition of the basket which is not correct according to qualified commentators (e.g. price of food; but these are specialist arguments and could go on for ever..) who can ‘afford’ it or not is another question, what part, how, why, how do they adjust? etc. nevertheless, it gives an ‘official’ picture, a standard that can be dissed and discussed. such numbers are part of the picture of poverty in the US. Warren (afaik) uses them as well. Posted by: Tangerine | May 10 2008 15:47 utc | 32 Just curious, how many MOA’S watched Warren’s lecture? And of that, how many watched the whole thing? I know my friend lizard, told me they only watched about half of it. I think b real’s and norret, er, uh, tanger, (lol), make a salient point, in that the MC can no longer help the poor, I even go so far as to say, as times have gotten worse, — remember, the vast majority are her numbers are before the Bush administration’s run — it seems the MC are preying on the poor too, as things have gotten tighter. Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 10 2008 18:08 utc | 33 we live in the fucking middle ages. it is so dark; certainly darker than weimar Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 10 2008 18:48 utc | 34 #33, Posted by: anna missed | May 10 2008 18:56 utc | 35 – i watched it all knew her before and have read some papers she published- Posted by: Tangerine | May 10 2008 19:27 utc | 36
Posted by: small coke | May 10 2008 21:55 utc | 37 Badger analyses ambiguities, questions whether full Iraqi govt and US have made any commitment to truce.
Posted by: small coke | May 10 2008 22:14 utc | 38 i reread some of the archives here at the moon today & yesterday & i was startled by the intensity of my melancholy over these four years which we will celebrate next month Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 10 2008 23:35 utc | 39 NY Times Sunday Posted by: Telly Savalas | May 11 2008 6:19 utc | 40 Salon piece on how US murderous sniper goons go about their bloody business with complete impunity. Posted by: ran | May 11 2008 7:04 utc | 41 The further erosion of the MC…
Entropy nation, proceeds a pace… Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 11 2008 15:54 utc | 42 There are several reports like these, all based on some poll by the “Centre for Free Elections and Democracy”
Hmm – the Centre for Free Elections and Democracy gets grants from Rockefeller brothers Fund, and many other “western” organisations
One might feel reason to take their numbers with some salt … Funny:
Earthquake measuring 7.8 Richter scale hits SW China, 5 dead
7.8 is pretty big. Certainly more people will have died than now accounted for. Shanghai news channel on sopcast had the best coverage through the morning (US time) hours. Posted by: mats | May 12 2008 15:18 utc | 46 uncle #33. Posted by: annie | May 12 2008 16:54 utc | 47 Thanks for the video, rememberinggiap. Posted by: jonku | May 12 2008 23:16 utc | 50 Awww,happy b-day annie, and belated mothers days to all the MOA mothers.
The idea was taken up by a West Virginian, Ann Jarvis, who sought to reconcile North and South after the Civil War and worked in the real trenches – improving sanitation.
Now the state stepped in to impose its own meaning on the practice:
Long as you’re waving the flag, it’s all good, right?
War is imminent, according to Justin Raimondo.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 13 2008 12:35 utc | 52 interview w/ howard zinn on anarchism
Posted by: b real | May 13 2008 14:44 utc | 53 Happy birthday, annie. Posted by: Monolycus | May 13 2008 15:04 utc | 55 Live blogging the Chicago Iran hearings.
WHY AREN’T DAILY KOS OR ANY OF THE OTHER BIG BOX BLOGS DOING LIVE BLOGGING ON THIS IMPORTANT STAND AGAINST MORE MASS MURDER??? Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 13 2008 19:38 utc | 56 unreal! thanks guys. i am having a gorgeous day. yer all wonderful. Posted by: annie | May 13 2008 20:35 utc | 57 colombia journal: Extradition of Paramilitary Leaders Undermines Para-Politics Investigation
Posted by: b real | May 14 2008 4:10 utc | 60 I’m really getting annoyed with the U.S. puppet Ban Ki-moon: UN chief calls emergency talks on MyanmarUN chief Ban Ki-moon Wednesday called an emergency meeting on Myanmar’s aid crisis, as the junta refused to open up to a full-scale relief effort despite grave fears for two million survivors. b Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 14 2008 20:29 utc | 62 Non-lethal injections The U.S. government has injected hundreds of foreigners it has deported with dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will to keep them sedated during the trip back to their home country Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 14 2008 22:38 utc | 63 U.S. Has Detained 2,500 Juveniles as Enemy Combatants
Anger, blood, at scene of missile hit in Pakistan
another media-campaign to put pressure on myanamar: Posted by: snafu | May 15 2008 11:23 utc | 66
in memory of nakba. moving video from Baghdad Treasure. Posted by: annie | May 15 2008 18:42 utc | 67 UN official says foreign agents are killing Afghans
60 Myths for Israels 60 years here’s another story from africa to go w/ two others [1, 2] that i linked to one month ago concerning an increase in other species striking back against homo sapiens sapiens
whodathunkit, really Posted by: b real | May 17 2008 3:22 utc | 70 Saudis to Shrub for the second time in as many visits: “get bent dipshit”. Posted by: ran | May 17 2008 6:18 utc | 71 Sometimes I ignore the world for a little bit and just try to have a little fun (played a couple of games of paintball yesterday). Then I read (via Drudge no less) a story that truly makes me shake my head in shame and disgust.
Posted by: dan of steele | May 17 2008 8:18 utc | 72 Dr. iRack points to THIS article from the Christian Science Monitor on Iran’s growing influence in Iraq. Not that Iran’s influence in Iraq has ever been seriously questioned in the media – it has, but for all the wrong reasons, which is the basis of some growing suspicions I’ve had recently on a developing collusion between Iran, the U.S., and its quisling Maliki/Badr government. But because relations between the U.S. and Iran overshadow whats happening in Iraq the standard narrative gets split into two mutually exclusive stories that are/have been allowed to co-exist as if they are not connected. The prime example of such is that the Iranians have been extending its influence by funding “special groups” and supplying various militias with contemporary weaponry and training, especially Sadr’s JAM militia. This fuels the general U.S. strategic narrative that Iran is on the move throughout the M.E. funding various threats to U.S./Israeli hegemony. On the flip side is the government of Iraq, which is underwritten by the Badr Organization- an organization co-founded in Iran by the the Iranian IRGC and a rare coordination of Baqir al-Hakim and Baqir al Sadr. After the initial U.S. invasion the Badr was permitted (by the U.S.) to return to Iraq and eventually formed the pan Shiite coalition UIA party alliance currently in power, and took control of the police intelligence/death squad Interior Ministry (talk about “special groups”) and have filled the regular ISF. This side of the narrative of course, has received about zero media attention – a blanket of silence on the “influence” that Iran might have sequestered right smack in the seat of power in the green zone. Why is this?
I’ve deleated all the “reservations” in the piece by both U.S. and Iranian officials in this post, in that they both play to the propaganda value necessary to posture their respective positions. In spite of the fact that both their respective actions on the ground reveal their all to real true parallel intentions. Or, in other words “how long has this been goin’on? Posted by: anna missed | May 17 2008 8:22 utc | 73 John Negroponte is now setting up death squads in Pakistan, according to the Asia Times.
via Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 17 2008 9:47 utc | 74 @anna – 73 Compare this to Iraq and you can see that the U.S. behavior obviously has not changed one bit.
go read … U.S. soldier in Iraq uses Koran for target practice
b, Posted by: anna missed | May 19 2008 5:09 utc | 78 Anna missed, that was moi, I thought you knew American Samizdat was my webpage. anyway, sorry about the non link back, just assumed peeps knew it was me posting a mirror of thoughts comments and links from here on there. After all, in the most technical sense, the word, ‘Samizdat’, means to make 5 copies, and pass them on so as to keep the man from the big clamp down.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 19 2008 5:21 utc | 79 No problem Uncle, I put it together right after I posted#78 that must have been your page. So thanks for passing it on, as I’ve been posting variants of it here and there trying to get the thought out there, so its good to see it there on uruknet. Posted by: anna missed | May 19 2008 5:34 utc | 80 I posted another version over at Langs place tonight. And on second thought, maybe I should take a page from the MSM and start referencing my further posts to the uruknet post and act like everyone on the blogs is talking about it (LOL). Posted by: anna missed | May 19 2008 5:40 utc | 81 On thinking about comments, read this stellar one yesterday at Defense and National Interestand thought about dragging it over here, so now I will:
Posted by: anna missed | May 19 2008 5:51 utc | 82 anna missed @ 73:
Compare that to this article:
`Angry’ Iran sharpens tone with Baghdad’s leaders Posted by: Sam | May 19 2008 9:01 utc | 83 food first: From Food Rebellions to Food Sovereignty: Urgent call to fix a broken food system
walden bello: Manufacturing a Food Crisis
fred magdoff @ monthly review: The World Food Crisis: Sources and Solutions
Posted by: b real | May 19 2008 15:25 utc | 84 it’s a good post uncle, and while you did link back to the washington monthly and included the CSM/yahoo references it does sort of read like the commentary is yours. i think it is awesome uruknet picked it up and linked back to your site but had your link included a link back here it might have drawn in some added customers for the bar and given credit where credit is due, meaning to anna missed although he doesn’t really need the attention or anything and has expressed it is no problem for him. i just thought i would add my 2 cents worth. Posted by: annie | May 19 2008 18:48 utc | 85 Sam, Posted by: anna missed | May 19 2008 19:08 utc | 86 anna missed: Posted by: Sam | May 19 2008 19:25 utc | 87 @ anna missed – Or to put it another way here we have a country that hosts the leader of the Shia resistance in Iraq claiming that they don’t support him. Posted by: Sam | May 19 2008 19:30 utc | 88 That’s a pretty impressive pic, but what do they want? Posted by: Anonymous | May 19 2008 20:11 utc | 89 Annie, I usually do cite, but have had an on going personal emergency situation come up and am having to deal with, (hence I haven’t been posting nearly as much as per my norm) meant even to go back after hearing from anna missed, but again got distracted, and then locked out of my account there because I have my account set up for my desk top, and have been using my laptop but, things are settling down a bit now, thanks for reminding me. Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 19 2008 22:53 utc | 90 That’s a pretty impressive pic, but what do they want? Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 19 2008 23:11 utc | 91 great example of the media shaping thinkable thought
Posted by: b real | May 20 2008 3:02 utc | 93 |
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