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April 3, 2008
Yoo Memo Release is a Diversion

Why was the second Yoo torture-justifying memo released yesterday?

ACLU has tried to get it for years and congress was asking for it for some month. But out of the blue sky, it was released late Tuesday and is extensively covert in yesterdays press.

I find it likely that this was done to divert the media attention from a Vanity Fair article that was published the very same day.

That article tells how the very top government lawyers went to Guantanamo themselves and "brought ideas with them" on how to torture alleged al-Qaida members. The article concludes that these men committed war-crimes.

Philippe Sands is an international lawyer and Professor in London. The piece he has written is a good coverage of the process that brought torture to Guantanamo and Abu Graibh.

I recommend to read The Green Light in full. Among others, Sands interviewed Diane Beaver, staff judge advocate for Gitmo commander Maj.Gen. Dunlavey, and Dunlavey himself.

This is the gist of what was not known before:

On September 25 [2002], as the process of elaborating new interrogation techniques reached a critical point, a delegation of the administration’s most senior lawyers arrived at Guantánamo. The group included the president’s lawyer, Alberto Gonzales, who had by then received the Yoo-Bybee Memo; Vice President Cheney’s lawyer, David Addington, who had contributed to the writing of that memo; the C.I.A.’s John Rizzo, who had asked for a Justice Department sign-off on individual techniques, including waterboarding, and received the second (and still secret) Yoo-Bybee Memo; and Jim Haynes, Rumsfeld’s counsel.
They were all well aware of al-Qahtani. “They wanted to know what we
were doing to get to this guy,” Dunlavey told me, “and Addington was
interested in how we were managing it.” I asked what they had to say.
They brought ideas with them which had been given from sources in
D.C.
,” Dunlavey said. “They came down to observe and talk.” Throughout
this whole period, Dunlavey went on, Rumsfeld was “directly and
regularly involved.”


They met with the intelligence people and talked about new interrogation methods. They also witnessed some interrogations. Beaver spent time with the group. Talking about the episode even long afterward made her visibly anxious. Her hand tapped and she moved restlessly in her chair. She recalled the message they had received from the visitors: Do “whatever needed to be done.” That was a green light from the very top—the lawyers for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the C.I.A. The administration’s version of events—that it became involved in the Guantánamo interrogations only in November, after receiving a list of techniques out of the blue from the “aggressive major general”—was demonstrably false.

Sands concludes that the men and women involved in this committed war-crimes and could well be prosecuted when caught outside of the United States.

While the memo release has been picked up in the main papers, I have yet to find any MSM reference to this important piece. That seems to support my suspicion that the memo release is just a diversion.

Yoo was a mid-level lawyer at the justice department. A despicable person for sure. But the really guilty guys were above him. Yoo just did what they told him to do.

The second Yoo-Bybee memo is available here.

Comments

So, Gonzales himself had witnessed some of the tortures he advised using? Nice. I suppose he brought back the videos, too, so that Bush could see by himself and enjoy it.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Apr 3 2008 16:07 utc | 1

democracynow’s thursday interview w/ philippe sands on his article – The Green Light: Attorney Philippe Sands Follows the Bush Administration Torture Trail (transcript isn’t up yet – but video & audio are available)

Posted by: b real | Apr 3 2008 16:15 utc | 2

to the Hague with whole despicable torturing, mass-murdering lot of them.
one can dream can’t one?

Posted by: ran | Apr 3 2008 18:05 utc | 3

Good interview by Amy Goodman with Phillipe Sands today
The Green Light: Attorney Philippe Sands Follows the Bush Administration Torture Trail

A new exposé in Vanity Fair by British attorney Philippe Sands reveals new details about how attorney John Yoo and other high-ranking administration lawyers helped design and implement the interrogation policies seen at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and secret CIA prisons. According to Vanity Fair, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and other top officials personally visited Guantanamo in 2002, discussed interrogation techniques and witnessed interrogations. Sands joins us in our firehouse studio. [includes rush transcript]

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 3 2008 20:56 utc | 4

cluelessjoe
that was always alabama’s position – that the foolking had a taste for watching such & with sand’s evidence it seems highly likely

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2008 21:33 utc | 5

vanity fair has been producing some explosive articles written by people who are more than mere scribblers – of course they still publish the clowns hitchens & junger

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2008 21:36 utc | 6

opps, sorry b real…
While I’m here there’s this.
On torture and the media:
Torture on “24”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 3 2008 21:40 utc | 7

“The brainstorming meetings inspired animated discussion. “Who has the glassy eyes?,” Beaver asked herself as she surveyed the men around the room, 30 or more of them. She was invariably the only woman present—as she saw it, keeping control of the boys. The younger men would get particularly agitated, excited even. “You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas,” Beaver recalled, a wan smile flickering on her face. “And I said to myself, You know what? I don’t have a dick to get hard—I can stay detached.”
phillipe sands – the green light
alabama has been proved correct
& some of the suggestions in which i referred to w reich also seem validated in this article

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2008 22:21 utc | 8

uncle, dear dear
i wouldn’t cite clive james, in a coma

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2008 22:24 utc | 9

thanks R’giap, I am in your debt. I have no idea who clive james is/ was, and do trust you explicitly..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 3 2008 22:55 utc | 10

uncle he is one of those clowns from australia who imagines himself one of the last great learned men in the bloomian mold (mould) – he is in fact a buffoon who speaks so much about everything – that like a dead clock – he is right sometimes – but he’s really a creep
but have you noticed uncle – not a word about what is happening in iraq & basra particularly – nothing about the embassy – nothing about the 1 million person march that sadr is organising – not a word – not a whisper – our enemies are as silent as mice – busy as they are fucking around with the elections in zimbabwe

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2008 23:11 utc | 11

Why Not Impeachment?
What are the Democrats doing? If President Bush and Vice-President Cheney are not impeached now, then what in the future will be an impeachable offense?
The average of all the latest approval ratings from: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=18
Congress:
RCP Average
from, 03/03 – 03/19
Approve: 21.0%
Disapprove: 69.8%
Spread: -48.8%
President Bush:
RCP Average
from, 03/14 – 03/29
Approve: 30.8%
Disapprove: 63.5%
Spread: -32.7%
Americans dislike Congress more than they dislike President Bush.
STOP!
Ask yourself;
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING?

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Apr 4 2008 0:46 utc | 12

Briefly touching upon Zimbabwe which like Tibet, will be dragged out like a tattered jack of hearts whenever the amerikan knave is unobscured. I heard on the car radio b4 that Zimbabwean security forces had arrested the NYT correspondent in Harare-dragged him from his hotel in fact. Interesting because a quite different report from a slightly more objective reporter had previously informed that the Zimbabwean security forces had gone to this hotel in Harare which houses the journos to make sure that everyone was properly accredited.
What is the betting that if the apologist for empire has been detained prior to being tossed out on his ear for not get the press credentials that most nations including amerika request foreign journos get, that the NYT trumpets this example of obstruction of freedom of speech without mentioning the reporters lack of accreditation?
Aha just checked the NYT and it accuses Mugabe not Zimbabwe, but Mugabe as if he he micromanages the entire nation, of arresting their reporter for being in violation of the journalism laws, not failing get obtain a press pass.
I don’t mean to stray so far off topic but in fact this incident is germane to the discussion about the way that mainstream media does fall into line over war crimes when they are committed by USuk. One of their primary ploys is to distract the audience with a seemingly outrageous and egregious crime being committed within the ‘axis of evil’ which Zimbabwe would be part of if it had any oil.
All of the noise outta Zimbabwe does a great job of distracting Joe and Joan from the embarassing truths of their own nation which slip out from time to time.
As far as getting the criminals Rumsfield, Woo, Addington, Cheney et al into a dock somewhere; I’m afraid this is a difficult ask now. Some may remember that Moshe Ya’alon the Israeli general responsible for the IDF’s deliberate shelling of the United Nations compound at Qana in southern Lebanon, on the 18th April 1996 and an architect of the lebanon nastiness was in NZ a while back. Some concerned citizens had a judge issue a bench warrant to arrest the murdering asshole and charge him with his crimes. As soon as the police received the warrant they broke protocol and rang the attorney general (who in a break with tradition was free of the encumbrance of a law degree) and who decided on the spot with no hearing that there was insufficient evidence to charge Ya’alon so let him go on his way speaking at “send money to the murderers” community meetings organised by local zionists, the same mob who committed acts of treason against their country by stealing the birth details of NZers with profound disabilities so Mossad assassins could get NZ passports.
It wasn’t pressure from Israel that had the NZ govt fucking over due process. When the Mossad agents got caught trying to get passports a few years b4, they were tried and imprisoned. No unfortunately ever since the english climbed down on their arrest and detention of General Augusto Pinochet of Chile notoriety it has been evident that amerika won’t even tolerate any attempt to hold their former contract hitmen (sorry ‘allies’) accountable. Actually arresting Rumsfield even Woo would provoke threats of ‘regime change’ from amerikan media and the usual dummies who soak up the exceptionalist propaganda. You know the aging white male fans of guitar rock.
No one who has spent any time at MoA can possibly be surprised that the elite neo-cons tired of the virtual sado-masochism they had acquired from torture tapes, and that they decided to catch some ‘live shows’ but we also shouldn’t be surprised at their attempts to obscure the impact of the revelation to the hoi polloi.
So despite misgivings about the success of trying these scum as war criminals, a campaign demanding that they are arrested, would generate the sort of publicity which the elites are trying to avoid. We must never imagine these creeps are infallible or impervious. The are fuck-ups and need be regarded as such. The only reason this scum gets to the top is because they are prepared to undertake the sort of sociopath behaviour which well adjusted humans eschew.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 4 2008 1:40 utc | 13

Mark Gaughan:
Why Not Impeachment?
What are the Democrats doing? If President Bush and Vice-President Cheney are not impeached now, then what in the future will be an impeachable offense?

Because that would mean some of the “blue dog democrats” would get exposed in their complicity. There is no such thing as a “Unitary Executive” except in the media spin. The founders built in checks and balances making it impossible. The U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has oversight power on spying. The United States Senate Committee on Armed Services has oversight power on military. These committees are made up from members of both parties. I beleive this is why in your own words:
Americans dislike Congress more than they dislike President Bush.
That’s because they know it too. Does anybody beleive that after the Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton over a blow job that the Democrats wouldn’t jump on an opportunity to do the same?

Posted by: Sam | Apr 4 2008 2:04 utc | 14

The torture porn tapes were all burned in the White House Annex fire,
and the SCOTUS has already ruled, twice, that knowing 3rd parties to a
fraud can’t be tried as accessories, it would be an order of magnitude
more difficult to prosecute them as accessories to torture, especially
after McCain pulled his wizardry trick, and in the name of “fighting
against torture” rewrote the US statutes, so it no longer is torture.
Face it, they’re smarter, faster, richer and more connected than you.
The chances of them being caught expatriate and tried in World Court,
when the US is no longer a signatory to the court, are precisely, zero.
Move on, MoA. Name calling and ad hominems proves you’ve got no case,
it’s a freaking sideshow to the transition of power to Neo-Zi 4th Reich.
Wha..t..ha..ve..yo..u..go..t..on..Mc..Ca..in!

Posted by: Peris Troika | Apr 4 2008 2:31 utc | 15

From Uncle’s link”
AMY GOODMAN: Philippe Sands, the memo that came out this week that endorsed assault, maiming, even administering mind-altering drugs, the document suggests US interrogators would be immune from prosecution for any crime because of the President’s wartime authority.
Like I said above there is no such thing as a Unitary Executive. If there was such a thing then the holocaust was legal under Hitler’s wartime authority. That immunity must be passed by all 3 branches of Government and as Sands’ answer indicates they did:
The administration recognized the threat that it faced, and within three months it had adopted legislation in the Military Commissions Act which created an immunity for any person who was involved in the interrogation of al-Qahtani, as well as many other people.
He also gave out this little tidbit:
But most significantly of all—and this, in a sense, isn’t in the Vanity Fair piece but will come out in the book when it’s published in three weeks—they didn’t get anything out of this guy. It was a hopeless exercise.
Either the guy was inoccent or it didn’t work. But we already had proof that it doesn’t work when Powell used al Libi’s confessions of WMD in Iraq as justification to the UN to invade.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 4 2008 3:40 utc | 16

“Face it, they’re smarter, faster, richer and more connected than you.
The chances of them being caught expatriate and tried in World Court,
when the US is no longer a signatory to the court, are precisely, zero.
” Typical gutless cop-out “Ooooh-ah This is too hard lets do nothing. That’s easier and we’ll justify this by saying anything else is impossible.”
Whether or not amerika is a signatory to the world court is irrelevant to the argument. Nazi germany hadn’t been either cause the thing was set up after their excesses. yet Nazis were put in the dock. The issue won’t be what amerika thinks it will be whether it is considered useful for whatever comes next.
Sure it is gonna be hard to get these low lifes, but not impossible not unless everyone goes all defeatist which would require the whole world to be exceptionalist cause imagining the amerikan condition is untouchable is just another symptom of exceptionalism.
This is unlikely since the rest of us can see that just as peeps within a market imagine their market boom will never bust, peeps in empires think their empire will never get what’s coming to it. Yet somehow every empire ends. There are two provisos to that. The lifespan of the empire is always much shorter than the imperialists claim it will be (eg the Reich of a thousand years which lasted 13 years) and the timespan of empires has been getting shorter with each iteration. The english weren’t on top of their game nearly as long (at about 100 years of supremacy) as the spanish were on theirs (Closer to 200 years) and the Spanish empire was over a lot quicker than the Roman one ( 4-500 years of supremacy).

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 4 2008 4:13 utc | 17

one can dream can’t one?
hell yes ran
to the Hague !

Posted by: annie | Apr 4 2008 4:47 utc | 18

Yeah, I remember that well, Peris Troika, the caption of the subsequent AP photo here
reads, ” Thank you … Vice-President Dick Cheney praises those who worked on the fire.” I bet he did indeed thank them, from the bottom of his heartless heart… sincerely even.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 4 2008 5:00 utc | 19

naturally they nominate gonzales as attorney general. ashcroft was only installed as a loveletter to evangelicals. he wouldn’t play ball in their league.

Posted by: annie | Apr 4 2008 5:04 utc | 20

Excellent point annie…
Also, wasn’t there another fire besides the one on Dec 20th of 07 at the White house? I know I posted about a fire either at the White house or at another strategic location at the time, but damn if I can find it in the archives. Maybe a pentagon/army base fire? Wherever it was, it was awful convenient for these cancerous fucks…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 4 2008 5:22 utc | 21

Unc, it was in Cheney’s offices in the Eisenhower Office Bldg on 12/19/07

Posted by: Ensley | Apr 4 2008 22:58 utc | 22

ensley, i think that is the same one in uncle’s link.
i do remember another one that was not at the white house, they had a white van in the photo w/a roundabout in the street, it was at some archive place. wasn’t it just weeks apart from the other? they’ve got so much to hide, sibel, plame, torture.. probably couldn’t burn it all in one fire.
oh well, my brain is going a little batty…

Posted by: annie | Apr 4 2008 23:15 utc | 23

video
oberman discusses vanity fair article and yoo memo w/constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley.

For constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley, the latest memo should be more than enough reason for Congress to begin some serious investigations, but hesitance to really dig into Bush-authorized “war crimes” have precluded them from doing so, he says.
“It is really amazing because Congress — including the Democrats — have avoided any type of investigation into torture because they do not want to deal with the fact that the president ordered war crimes,” Turley told MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann Thursday night. “But evidence keeps on coming out…. What you get from this is this was a premeditated and carefully orchestrated torture program. Not torture, but a torture program.”
Gitmo commander ‘sick of’ torture talk
All this talk about detainee mistreatment and torture has the current commander of US forces at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, fed up. Brig. Gen. Gregory J. Zanetti told American Legion members this week that the mission of Gitmo guards is “misunderstood” and called the secluded prison, purposefully established off of US soil, “the most transparent detention facility in the world.”
“Quit talking to me about abuse and torture,” he said. “Frankly, I’m sick of it.”
Zanetti must be hearing quite a lot of complaints, or have a rather short fuse, to grow sick of torture lamentations so quickly. He’s been commanding forces at Guantanamo for just two months (since Feb. 4).

Posted by: annie | Apr 4 2008 23:42 utc | 24

Thanks, annie. I guess I have too much cold medicine in me to think straight.
There were a series of six or seven small fires in the Dirksen Senate Office Building and the Hart Building about the same time. Turned out a cop was setting some of them in women’s bathrooms, and another was in some old boxes and junk under a staircase — or something like that.
Speaking of Gitmo, there was one soldier who mysteriously disappeared and has been declared dead — and his family doesn’t believe the Army’s ridiculous explanation for a New York second. Then there was another soldier who, after happily speaking to his kids at Christmas and being in his typically cheerful mood according to his buddies, somehow ‘decided’ to commit suicide in a secure area by blowing his brains out. Both are very, very strange.

Posted by: Ensley | Apr 4 2008 23:57 utc | 25

Rozen on the WP:

The Justice Department has dropped 22 out of 24 cases of alleged detainee abuse by civilian employees and contractors referred by the CIA and the Defense Department. A U.S. official said the Yoo memo’s legal arguments that interrogators are exempt from such criminal liability could have been part of the reason why those cases were dropped.
“Could it conceivably have played a role in deciding whether to prosecute or not? Certainly, in theory,” said a law enforcement official involved in the deliberations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “If there was a memo blessing behavior at a certain point in time, and someone relied on legal guidance, could they have formed the necessary intent” to break the law?
Charles Gittins, a lawyer representing Army Pvt. Charles A. Graner Jr. in his appeal of his abuse convictions tied to Abu Ghraib, said Yoo’s memo appears to show that President Bush suspended maltreatment laws for the military during a time of war. He said he plans to submit the document to Graner’s parole board when it meets in a few weeks.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 5 2008 15:45 utc | 26