Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 19, 2008

Rice appeals for Arab Nationalism

Rice says:

What [the Arab states] need to do is confirm and work for Iraq’s Arab identity. Iraq is a founding member of the Arab League, and so Iraq should be fully reincorporated into the Arab world. I think that, in and of itself, will begin to shield from influences of Iran that are nefarious influences. Iran is a neighbor. It’s going to have influence. But Iraq is, first and foremost, an Arab state. It’s a state in which Iraqi nationalism is very strong, and the neighbors ought to be reinforcing that.
On-the-Record Briefing by Secretary Rice, Dep. State. April 17, 2008

But what will the "Arab street" think of, when they here the above. I suggest they will remind this:

Pan-Arab Nationalism was a secular, socialist ideology en vogue for much of the 20th century that called for unity among the Arab peoples of the Middle East. Promoted by pro-independence leaders such as Egypt's former president, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Pan-Arab Nationalism sought to create a Middle East independent from the colonial meddling and occupation of Europe.
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Contrary to some rather inaccurate portryals of Iraq's links with Islamic terrorism, former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his Baath party were Arab nationalists.
Arab Nationalism, About.com

The secular Arab nationalism of Nasser declined after the lost 1967 war with Israel. It has been replaced by the Islamic Arab movement - Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Sadr. That is today's Arab identity. The Washington sponsored dictatorships in the Middle East will not like any appeal for that.

Applying Occam's razor, Rice likely has no idea what she is calling for. Still she may reap what she sows.

Posted by b on April 19, 2008 at 6:22 UTC | Permalink

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These testimonies of Israeli soldiers about their service in the occupied territories should help in solidifying the Arab identity,or maybe not. We can always hope.

Rice is in "shun the Persian" mode and not thinking of the consequences of what she is saying beyond her upcoming meeting with Iraq's neighbors on the future of Iraq.

Posted by: ww | Apr 19 2008 8:09 utc | 1

In the last thread I drote that Rices's plan for Arab Embassies opening in Baghdad was "pretty much impossible". Today:

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt said on Friday it would wait until security conditions improved before it returned an ambassador to Baghdad, despite U.S. requests for Arab countries to do more to support the Iraqi government.

As we already know, Rice is painting it as saving Iraq from Iran:

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Thursday she would press Iraq's Arab neighbors hard next week to do more to support the government in Baghdad and shield it from the "nefarious influences" of Iran

Remeber at the recent Arab summit in Syria the media framed stories mocking Syria when Suadi Arabia and Egypt refused to send their Priniciples and only sent Ministers. They painted it as a great snub and insult to Syria. So what will the media say when Rice shows up in Kuwait and the same country only sends an aide:

Egypt has said it will send a deputy foreign minister to the Kuwait meeting.

Egypt to send envoy to Iraq if security improves

Note the positive spin on the headline. Even though Maliki and Hakim (and Kurds) dominate the government and are so very Iran friendly, that Iran not only has an Embassy in Baghdad, but also four consulates in Karbala, Basra, Erbil and Sulaymaniyah, not to mention the warm embrace the governmnet gave to Ahmadinejad's recent vistit. What Rice didn't mention is the "nefarious influences" that Iran has in Iraq are helping the American and British bombing influences on the population of Iraq:

British military spokesman Major Tom Holloway said Saturday's offensive had been launched with a heavy bombardment by U.S. warplanes and British artillery "to give a demonstration of the firepower available if required". ... The bombardment was intended to be the biggest show of force since the crackdown began in late March, he added.

Show of force as Iraqi forces advance in Basra

Shouldn't that read Iranian friendly forces advance in Basra? So how is this bombing of Iraqis by the Americans and British going to "shield" the Iraqis from Iran? The Iranian friendly government is totally on board with this and supplies Iraqi army units to arrest and kill those same Iraqis. So Rice thinks she's going to get an Arab Cheering section (Arab Embassies) in Baghdad to promote this?

Posted by: San | Apr 19 2008 9:22 utc | 2

wrong handle above 2 was me

Posted by: Sam | Apr 19 2008 9:26 utc | 3

Leila Fadel, Bureau leader in Baghdad for McClatchy, in an interview with Bill Moyers
recommended

Also interesting her last piece: GIs in Sadr City under fire from friends and foes

Posted by: b | Apr 19 2008 9:37 utc | 4

Whilst I respect B and others' analysis of the Pan Arabic movement and Arab nationalism, for me rejection of Rice's blather doesn't require that level of analysis.

My analysis goes. Who does Rice, an african-amerikan mouthpiece for white amerikans and europeans think she is telling Iraqi Arabs that they shouldn't be associating with their Iranian neighbours and co-religionists?

The arrogance in that statement by Rice is off the charts; totally unbelievable. As next door neighbours Iran has a legitimate interest in ensuring that the Iran-Iraq border area is peaceful and free from self-interested outsiders' interference, but Rice and her compatriots have absolutely no legitimate interest in Iraq or anywhere else in the ME. The people of that area have no chance of living normal lives free, from exploitation and/or oppression until every last amerikan, european, jew or other outsider has left the building. No amerikan, european or jew has any legitimate interest in the future of the ME.

Further, responsibility for ensuring that this interference ceases must be the primary object of thinking people in all non-arabic and/or persian countries.

As long as Rice et al feel they have a right to express their opinion about other people's business, the troubles will continue, but if the passing of judgement of the people of the ME or any other targets of colonial exploitation is not tolerated by the society Rice at al claim to be serving, then there is every chance the empire will unwind of it's own volition.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 19 2008 10:38 utc | 5

The people of that area have no chance of living normal lives free, from exploitation and/or oppression until every last amerikan, european, jew or other outsider has left the building. No amerikan, european or jew has any legitimate interest in the future of the ME.

I disagree on you including "jew". Many of those are actually from the area and should be free to live there. I agree that they shouldn't have their own colonial theocratic state ...

Posted by: b | Apr 19 2008 11:19 utc | 6

Debs is dead:

No amerikan, european or jew has any legitimate interest in the future of the ME.

On the contrary, America is a large market for ME oil, and this, is in the legitimate interest of both parties. And Iran sits at the gateway to opening up the Caspian Oil Basin to the Western market. The World is a business that operates on interaction and the exchange of goods to make our lives more comfortable, prosporous and productive. And Jews have lived in the ME for thousands of years and they, just like anyone that lives there, has every right to live there and in fact are represented in the Iranian Parliament.

There is no solution in keeping those forces apart as long as there is a benefit to interact. The present failing policy is proof of that. Everyone just has to learn to do it without killing babies. Their is no such thing as war without killing babies except in Grimm's Fairy Tales. We have to convince the people, that support killing babies, that killing babies will not end terrorism and in fact suicide bombings are at all time World record highs. We can no more win the "war on terror" than we can win "the war on drugs". You cannot win agianst people that are willing to sacrifice their life. As long as our leaders think they can win, the carnage will go on. We can only win if they win, if everyone wins.

I realize this is impossible in the short term. But I beleive they will get it eventually.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 19 2008 13:33 utc | 7

Check out these reports on the exact same incident:

British military spokesman Major Tom Holloway said Saturday's offensive had been launched with a heavy bombardment by U.S. warplanes and British artillery "to give a demonstration of the firepower available if required".

The American and British forces pounded a deserted area west of Hayaniya before Iraqi troops entered the neighborhood, he said. The bombardment was intended to be the biggest show of force since the crackdown began in late March, he added.

Show of force as Iraqi forces advance in Basra

Since then US warplanes have carried out several air strikes in the district targeting Shiite militiamen. Dozens of people have been killed.

In a statement released in Baghdad, the US military said the operation in Hayaniyah was phase three of the Saulat al-Fursan (Charge of the Knights) assault launched by Maliki last month.

Saturday's operation was backed by British artillery and US aircraft which bombed known "criminal rocket and mortar sites west of Hayaniyah", the US statement said.

Iraq troops take control of Basra militia bastion

In one we have just a show of force in a deserted area and in the other we have dozens of people killed. Considering that it is right in the middle of a city of 2 million can anybody spot the bullshit?

Posted by: Sam | Apr 19 2008 13:52 utc | 8

Thanks for the link b @ 4 - I recommend this too. Anybody that wants to know what's going on in Iraq right now should listen to that interview. Personally I was surprised that Bill Moyors, a titan of American media, seemed so unaware of what Leila Fadel was telling him. If even he has not grasped the reality of Iraq today then I truly fear for the future.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 19 2008 14:40 utc | 9

I think it's pretty safe assuming Rice has no idea what she's talking about regardless of what it is she's talking about.She's clearly someone in over her head.
I remember reading that despite her 'expertise' in Soviet studies,she did not speak or read Russian-anyone know it that's true or not?

Posted by: | Apr 19 2008 15:59 utc | 10

and how does Rice's new found consideration for Arab nationalism gel with the fact that no Arab country, leader or nationalist supported this Iraq invasion or the last Israel invasion of Lebanon.

not to forget that she did everything possible within her power to prevent an end to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. An invasion that failed to a large part because it totally misjudged the depth of nationalism it would confront.

as a matter of fact, it would be very interesting to know what the Arabs think when they hear from Condi Rice.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 19 2008 16:08 utc | 11

still we have to give it to Condi. Fo someone who has been cursed a thousand times by every Arab nationalist alive, she really has some nerve.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 19 2008 16:13 utc | 12

@#10

I remember reading that despite her 'expertise' in Soviet studies,she did not speak or read Russian-anyone know it that's true or not?

According to this dkos post, she is a fraud, just as the rest of them are frauds who fly by the seat of their pants, and make it all up as they go. (re-watch Power of nightmares).

From the comments :

Remarks By Secretary Of State Condoleezza Rice and Polish Foreign Minister Adam Rotfeld 5 February 2005

QUESTION: One quick follow up. Do you think this evening to speak in Russian?

SECRETARY RICE: Well, I have to say that I think Minister Lavrov probably speaks English better than I speak Russian. We'll see which language works at what times.

Their delusional venerologic meme baking and fable conjuring is madness carte blanche. They would be laughed out of office, in a sane society. My bet is she was an salutatorian, but has little more sense than an average sarwan...lol

* salutatorian - ( )
The second best student in a graduating class, whose job it is to give an introductory speech

* sarwan - ( )
A person who rides and guides a camel

Taken from the Grandiloquent Dictionary..lmao!!!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2008 17:04 utc | 13

Debs:
As already pointed out by b many jews are indeed from that area. I would just add that actually Iraq was home to one of the biggest jewish communities in the Middle East, and one of the oldest, going back to the Babylonian exile, when jewish religion and scripture took its form.
On the end of that community, and the role zionism and the state of Israel took in it, Giladi Naeim's "Ben-Gurion Scandals. How the Hagannah and The Mossad Eliminated Jews" is a must read.
That said, I would point out that no arab or muslim country expelled jews after the creation of Israel or the Israeli-Arab wars. Most left influenced by zionist propaganda and most of those that left to Israel found themselves as second class citizens (third class being reserved to arab israelis) and targets of the racism of the Polish-Lithuanian colonialists.
But apparently there is a new
6 billion Holocaust Industry on the making

Posted by: estouxim | Apr 20 2008 1:52 utc | 14

estouxim:

i find it interesting that i learned about the distinction between jews who claim genetic heritage from the Middle East and those who transplanted their zionist zeal from other regions from a notorious conspiracy "nut" who believes that a reptilian race has interbred with humans, and now faces serious retribution from the Anti Defamation League for spreading supposedly coded anti-semitic propaganda.

Is it possible to believe all of it and none of it at the same time?


Posted by: Lizard | Apr 20 2008 2:49 utc | 15

And this from an allegedly "expert" Soviet "scholar" (Dr. Rice's stated specialty,
she wrote numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy)
who nevertheless, for all that, never saw perestroika and the Berlin Wall coming.

Next, she'll be McCain's running mate, passed off as Neo's "Middle East debutante".
Grampa snoozing, and Condi doing a little soft-shoe. "Ink-kadinka-dee-kadinka-doo!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSCe_6FHYbo&feature=related

Posted by: Inky Dee | Apr 20 2008 3:49 utc | 16

Inka Dinka Doo Doo ...lol

Posted by: | Apr 20 2008 4:14 utc | 17

"I think that, in and of itself, will begin to shield from influences of Iran that are nefarious influences."
Its a little sad when a superpower's top diplomat is reduced to such language.In more superpowery times there already would be a shooting war.

Posted by: h_b | Apr 20 2008 16:11 utc | 18

btw comments system sucks, 18 was supposed to be quote bolded and nefarious underlined.

Posted by: h_b | Apr 20 2008 16:13 utc | 19

Real News video - In Sadr City's new wall, shadows of Gaza, Vietnam

Aijaz Ahmad: Wall meant to partition Sadr City's residents is population control ahead of elections

Sunday April 20th, 2008

As violence continued in Baghdad's Sadr City district on Friday, attention turned to the wall US forces are building through the neighborhood--a wall that is reminiscent of the one Israel built around the Palestinian territories, as well as US military tactics used during the Vietnam War.
The Real News analyst Aijaz Ahmad says that the ostensible purpose of the Iraqi government's wall--to keep insurgents under control--is only part of the story. Ahmad tells The Real News that it is meant to be a form of "population control" ahead of this year's elections, which the Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, a vocal opponent of the US occupation, is expected to sweep. The result of the decision to build the wall is the transformation of an entire Baghdad neighborhood into a virtual prison, Ahmad says.


Found via Palestinian Pundit

Posted by: Alamet | Apr 20 2008 17:11 utc | 20

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