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April 20, 2008
OT 08-16
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Nice video of a priest taking a Fox News reporter into the ground OK. Reposting this from the old OT.
You’d think this story would dominate the news cycle from now till kingdom come. But it’s critical of news corps not checking war-profiteering ties to their “experts”, so probably not. Posted by: Hamburger | Apr 20 2008 12:52 utc | 2 Thanks for that link, b! 9 minutes and 58 seconds of a long tall drink of water while standing in a desert. Posted by: Hamburger | Apr 20 2008 13:06 utc | 3 The fantastic aspect of these revelations is that they should appear in the NYTimes. Something must be brewing inside the Times , loss of readership? loss of reputation? that makes them reveal so plainly that what we are fed is pure unadulterated propaganda in the Goebbelsian sense, that everything and everybody is for sale and that everyone can be deceived through mental manipulation. My nature tends towards an extreme pessimism about the human nature and really nothing that happens, excepting a few examples I brought up for this blog a few days ago, sways me from that dreadful view of mankind. Posted by: jlcg | Apr 20 2008 13:54 utc | 4 Once again, we rely on the British press to find out what’s happening in America.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 20 2008 14:18 utc | 5 Something must be brewing inside the Times , loss of readership? loss of reputation?
I am really getting angry at China’s censorship of critics:
jlcg: the Times is certainly not a monolith–more of a shark-tank, if you will (where goring each other’s oxen is the stuff of its internal politics)…. There must be a very entertaining, and long-running, intrigue behind the development of this story, details of which will emerge one at a time, slowly. Posted by: alabama | Apr 20 2008 14:38 utc | 8
I am sure Sadr will be very impressed by Rice throwing her weight around … I’d also like to redirect attention to my post here and it’s subsequent next two posts there. Which is worthy of comment and goes well with hambuger’s above #10. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 20 2008 14:56 utc | 10 Having once in the misty past been an incidental target of Meyer’s wrath, I can see why they were scared to tell him about the frat pranks. I would of liked to be a fly on the wall when he finally found out. Posted by: …—… | Apr 20 2008 15:02 utc | 11 A good essay by Tony Just in the NYRB: What Have We Learned, If Anything?
Recommended b # 7, Posted by: Alamet | Apr 20 2008 16:22 utc | 14 Just tell me straight up, are we sinking yet? Posted by: Tiny Tim | Apr 21 2008 1:21 utc | 15 ap: Former bishop Fernando Lugo scores historic win in Paraguay
not a chance of that happening in estados unidos de américa if it’s left up to the elite and the electorate
valentine includes in his story criticism from two of McCain’s fellow POWs. Posted by: b real | Apr 21 2008 4:50 utc | 16 Two of many stories in 2006 about Paraguay; secret US base, possible secret ranch bought by George Bush — Posted by: Owl | Apr 21 2008 8:57 utc | 17 b, (on 7, 14) Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 21 2008 14:40 utc | 18 An example of the best laid plans by morons backfiring:
France conveys sympathy to Chinese torchbearer Posted by: Sam | Apr 21 2008 15:21 utc | 19 edward herman: Principles of the Imperial New World Order
and, not exactly news to anyone, but
Posted by: b real | Apr 21 2008 15:23 utc | 20 Spot light on the latest front of the war on “terror” brings a knee jerk reaction from the ‘blameless’ Ethiopian government. Posted by: BenIAM | Apr 21 2008 17:53 utc | 21 Two or three days ago I had linked to an Arab Monitor news item about the director of Palestine Children’s Welfare Fund found dead in Austin, Texas. Posted by: Alamet | Apr 21 2008 18:48 utc | 22 Listening to “To The Point” on radio driving home this evening, the topic was the Middle East and the recent Obama-Clinton ‘debate’, with surrogates Ann Lewis for Hillary and ex-AIPAC guy Mel Levine for Obama. Posted by: DonS | Apr 22 2008 1:32 utc | 23 Food Rationing Confronts Breadbasket of the World. Finally, Warren Olney failed to ascertain, or even ask, if the “attack” on Israel that would trigger these responses by the candidates/Presidents (varying only in their intensity but not their certainty), would be occasioned by a – shall we say ‘unilateral’ attack on Israel by Iran – or would a U.S. attack be similarly unleashed on Iran in response to a provocation from an Israeli attack. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 3:21 utc | 25 BenIAM – Posted by: b real | Apr 22 2008 3:34 utc | 26 in that linked sept comment on al-amriki i added that it reminded me of ali mohamed. i see that i’m not the only one. Posted by: b real | Apr 22 2008 4:01 utc | 27 Years later, Biomaterial charges against N.Y. art professor [were] dismissed. A judge has thrown out the charges against Steve Kurtz. I remember being appalled, at this man’s treatment by the state especially, in light of losing his wife and the grief he must have been going through at the time. But like so many other –opps, I was about to say ‘overreactions’, in the war on terrah, I should say sorry ass examples, they were merely to keep the hysteria and fear ramped up at the time.
However, according to many, not just Mike Rivero, the FBI has know all along who did the mailings… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 4:18 utc | 28 Years later, Biomaterial charges against N.Y. art professor [were] dismissed. A judge has thrown out the charges against Steve Kurtz. I remember being appalled, at this man’s treatment by the state especially, in light of losing his wife and the grief he must have been going through at the time. But like so many other –opps, I was about to say ‘overreactions’, in the war on terrah, I should say sorry ass examples, they were merely to keep the hysteria and fear ramped up at the time. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 4:21 utc | 29 Continued from:#28
However, according to many, not just Mike Rivero, the FBI has know all along who did the mailings… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 4:25 utc | 30 alamet 22. wow, who would even imagine a person would kill himself by wrapping himself in duct tape? Posted by: annie | Apr 22 2008 4:34 utc | 31 (so much to cover, so little time!)
letter from jomo @ times of nigeria reads, in part
Posted by: b real | Apr 22 2008 4:35 utc | 32 In other, but, in my mind similar news, Prof. Jones 9/11 Expose (CD) in Peer-reviewed Engr. Journal.
Interesting comment from another board: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 4:55 utc | 33 RE the link in #33 if you want the pdf of WTC article, it’s easier to go directly here Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Apr 22 2008 5:46 utc | 34 Before 1956, the words “IN GOD WE TRUST” were never associated with the US motto. Posted by: Lance Kilgore | Apr 22 2008 6:07 utc | 35 CNN: RFK assassination controversy Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 6:17 utc | 36 Detainees Allege Being Drugged, Questioned
not so well at the moment Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 22 2008 15:19 utc | 38 i was wondering about you r’giap. since we hadn’t heard much from you lately. hold strong, be well brother. Posted by: annie | Apr 22 2008 16:42 utc | 39 rememberinggiap., Posted by: citizen | Apr 22 2008 16:50 utc | 40 Hey kids, remember CIA station chief Bob Lady? well have I got a story for you… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 22 2008 22:18 utc | 41 Funny: India: U.S. Advice on Iran Is Rejected
Shorter: F*** you! The World According to Monsanto – A documentary that Americans won’t ever see.
In light of news of massive food riots across the globe, I find this quite an interesting informative work. MOA’s will be enlightened to know, that Bush gang aren’t the only ones whom ditch science and data and common sense and the well being of it’s citizens for an ideology, and that ideology is of course, cold hard cash, directly, however, I seriously suspect an indirect and quite nefarious outcome that no one is talking about, and that is, Henry Kissinger’s National Security Population Control Memorandum. What else can one think after for example the FDA and other so called government societal protection organizations hide behind and often are in collusion with money making chemical companies and the forever lobbies. NPR had a story program (though this isn’t it*) last week talking about the FDA only testing 2% of the imports coming into America and that countries virtually can volunteer as to if they are within the standards of the FDA regulations. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 23 2008 11:38 utc | 44 @32 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 23 2008 13:15 utc | 45 @44 – Monsanto
this was a pretty good overview
Posted by: b real | Apr 23 2008 14:35 utc | 47
Bingo! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 23 2008 14:46 utc | 48 despite all the pronouncements that AFRICOM will not mean new troops on the continent or any garrisons, maybe someone forgot to tell the gung-ho commander of the u.s. army reserve
Posted by: b real | Apr 23 2008 15:18 utc | 49 And just on cue…
more… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 23 2008 17:23 utc | 50 @ 46 & 47 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 23 2008 18:14 utc | 51 almost exercising the “think” in thinktank…
isn’t that the point? one cannot have a global war on terror w/o terrorists. what other pretext would imperial stormtroopers have for being in these areas then? energy security? bah! chalk it all up to misguided blunders. (haven’t read thru the report, maybe there’s some teeth to it, but the guardian story leaves a bad taste in the gums) Posted by: b real | Apr 23 2008 18:46 utc | 52 i have followed the counsel given here & watched as little media as i can but i still watch occassionally al jazeera & their take on africa & latin america comes straight out of centcom & their ideoligist pals in washington. even on the middle east it is only quantitatively different from the other whores – ladelling out in large doses crap that would be more common in the cretinous washington post Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 23 2008 18:51 utc | 53 rememberinggiap, you have been missed, I hope you are feeling better. A good news source these days is the Real News Network which I first discovered through Uncle $cam here (much thanks!). Posted by: Alamet | Apr 23 2008 22:01 utc | 54 remembereringgiap: as the health of the world sinks, may your own health rise…. Or, as our arabic-speaking friends would put it (but not in English): “may your shadow never grow less.” Posted by: alabama | Apr 23 2008 23:08 utc | 55 merci, alabama et alamet Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 24 2008 0:04 utc | 56 This is somewhat incredible. The Canadian prime minister allowing the Mexican president to colonize Texas …
@48 – Ah yes, I read aboot that a ways back and thought – thought crime and I concur our fellow F^in’ talking monkeys are conditioned to inhumane behaviour Posted by: jcairo | Apr 24 2008 8:49 utc | 58 anyone catch the latest timely essay on counterpunch? Posted by: b real | Apr 24 2008 18:05 utc | 59 B, Posted by: WR | Apr 24 2008 23:59 utc | 60 the answer to #59 is that the article is by a prolific MoA comrade, in case nobody caught that. plus, it’s a great article too! Posted by: b real | Apr 25 2008 5:34 utc | 62 a prolific MoA comrade Posted by: annie | Apr 25 2008 5:42 utc | 63 According to Roads to Iraq Muqtada al-Sadr will end the self imposed ceasefire today. Posted by: anna missed | Apr 25 2008 7:27 utc | 64 yep, according to the ptb Posted by: annie | Apr 25 2008 8:38 utc | 65 Waterboarding is different in the US compared to when Japanese did it in WW2. Ashcroft….. Video. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 25 2008 10:17 utc | 67 @cloned poster Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 25 2008 11:25 utc | 68 Speaking of AG’s: Mukasey’s false testimony Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 25 2008 11:40 utc | 69 i am somewhat bemused by the victory of the maoist in nepal – between 1/3 and 1/2 of the parliament – with the opposition party being a more orthodox communist party & a diminished congress party Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 25 2008 18:01 utc | 70 & as vaudeville routines go – try to catch on al jazeera international general mullen taking question from the iraqi populace – he may as well be answering from mars – a disconnection so total – that it questions 5 centuries of the philosophy of mind, of the mind itself Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 25 2008 18:41 utc | 71 & it seems clear that the repressive state apparatus in those united states can kill african americans with complete immunity – as if a sport Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 25 2008 19:03 utc | 72 Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi: Jesus Made Me Puke – Matt Taibbi Undercover with the Christian Right times of nigeria: Panic As MEND Attack, Strike, Cut Nigeria’s Oil Output By Half!
now tell me how this the person that wrote the headline for the following actually read the copy
probably b/c of all the panic that was going on, no doubt 😉
huh? (b real gets up from bar stool and walks off the set scratching head) Posted by: b real | Apr 26 2008 4:50 utc | 74 b real@74 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 26 2008 6:42 utc | 75 @ b #73 Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 26 2008 8:00 utc | 76 @dan – interesting. I only talked to born-agains on very few occasion (we have very few here). These folks didn’t know the bible especially didn’t know the new testatment. They couldn’t say when it was written, where and by whom in what language. They were not well advised on its content either. The catholic indoctrination I went through in my youth left at least some actual knowledge. Their’s seemed to lack that aspect. Iraqi lawmaker accuses U.S. forces of using prohibited weapons in Sadr City attacks
Not sure if he is talking about cluster bombs or something else… Posted by: Alamet | Apr 26 2008 16:47 utc | 79 #79 Posted by: anna missed | Apr 26 2008 17:24 utc | 80 sounds like the same stories from fallujah, white phosphorus munitions again.
more at link.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 26 2008 17:49 utc | 81 anna missed and Uncle $cam, yes, white phosphorous was my first thought as well. I even dug up this Independent report from back then to link with the above. But I just couldn’t decide what ‘fissile’ really means. Posted by: Alamet | Apr 27 2008 0:27 utc | 82 Chalmers Johnson writes The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy:Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke. Highly recommended.
The latter found via BoRev whose post is a good read: Can We Be Friends? Posted by: Alamet | Apr 27 2008 0:34 utc | 83 @73 & 76: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 27 2008 1:46 utc | 84 “We still torture”
It is all “relative” … My lips are moving and the sound’s coming out
You look at me as if you’re in a daze
What are words for
credibility? for the same folks who brought us the ‘war on terror’? ya gotta be kidding. Posted by: b real | Apr 27 2008 7:24 utc | 86 From b’s #85: “The fact that an act is undertaken to prevent a threatened terrorist attack, rather than for the purpose of humiliation or abuse, would be relevant to a reasonable observer in measuring the outrageousness of the act,” Posted by: Monolycus | Apr 27 2008 7:46 utc | 87
Deputy says there is proof the US is using cluster bombs in Sadr City Posted by: annie | Apr 27 2008 15:56 utc | 88 U.S. air strikes kill 6 in Sadr City despite truce
“Not in our definition.” So it doesn’t really count, then, “don’t mind us, you carry on with your truce”…
??!!?! They are focused on the short term, sparing lives. Very understandable considering this was originally a social support network, not a military organization, but they desperately need to develop some strategic sense here.
Don’t wait until all the men are dead. Take the long term view and do what you must do now!
Posted by: Alamet | Apr 27 2008 17:10 utc | 89 U.S. media and counting the dead:
I count: There’s an AP article in today’s paper, ostensibly giving a more detailed and updated account of what might have happened to cause Wallenberg–famous for rescuing thousands of Hungarian Jews during WWII–to disappear after being captured by Soviet forces. It goes blow by blow through years of Cold War maneuvering and leaked information. Posted by: Schneb | Apr 27 2008 21:56 utc | 91 the guardian has a sunday article on the so-called pirates in somalia, adding a splash of racism into the headline, but otherwise enlightening since, unlike the majority of press coverage on the topic, the reporter does not rely on the IMB as their main source of information
Posted by: b real | Apr 27 2008 23:27 utc | 92 so Obama backs “ass kissing little chickenshit” and lying thug Petraeus to head CentCom, just like Bush, Cheney and McCain do. Posted by: ran | Apr 27 2008 23:52 utc | 93 @Schneb #91
Posted by: Monolycus | Apr 28 2008 0:36 utc | 94 wrt “the pond”
Posted by: b real | Apr 28 2008 2:10 utc | 95 It is quite strange that the latest attempt to stop Kabul Mayor Hamid Karzai’s clock is receiving so little coverage. This latest attempt – at a parade ground on Sunday (just yesterday even here on this side of the dateline), hasn’t made headlines in the media despite the fact that several people were killed and Prez Karzai claims the all perps were arrested. Well according to this hard to find NYT article they were all arrested. On the TV appearance a couple of hours after the attempt Hamid said they had all been killed or arrested. Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 28 2008 8:48 utc | 96 7 killed in Gaza, including mother and four siblings
garowe online: Somalia: Islamist militias capture two towns
Posted by: b real | Apr 28 2008 15:23 utc | 99 |
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