is this really any different than Rove planting a bug in his office and then having someone else discover it so he could blame the opposition?
Not only HRC wants to suppress the black vote in North Carolina….

Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 30 2008 20:30 utc | 3

It’s only another day on Bizzaro world. I listened to Wright’s press club talk trying to find the controversial bits. Couldn’t find anything except it was too religious for me. Obama was forced to divorce himself from the truth to satisfy the media meat grinder. MSNBC, the home of everyone’s sweetheart, Keith O, was the worst. [Countdown-30 minutes of commercials, 20 minutes of ‘stay tuned for’, etc. for sucker liberals]
It’s all a self-perpetuating pundit full-employment racket.
Obama doesn’t seem to have the phone-tree that McCain and Clinton do, so this latest Rovian shit won’t have legs.

Posted by: biklett | Apr 30 2008 21:24 utc | 5

If this were just a one-off them maybe the claim that this is Rovian plant to discredit clintoncorp may have some merit but as b’s second link to Southern Studies demonstrates this mob of white supremacists for Clinton have been pulling this shit practically since the primary campaign began.
I’m not a voter in the ugly mess that is prez ’08 and if I were a voter I would be hunting around for an independant that was eligible in my state who had some sort of honesty to them. That said from outside looking in one can’t help but feel that of the three show ponies that the media has deemed ‘electable’ I would prefer Obama to win if only to demonstrate that the hungriest dog and dirtiest fighter doesn’t always get the bone.
That is my heart speaking my head says go ClintonCorp go! As Alex Cockburn pointed out last week in Counterpunch, ClintonCorp is in kamikaze mode. Winning the primary is far more important than anything else to Hill and Bill. They have already made it clear the dem party exists to serve them not the other way around and if the party won’t come to the party they will destroy it.
Until the two party system is destroyed in amerika; as far as I can judge, most peeps are just gonna stay oblivious.
Of course even then it will be tough as ClintonCorp are also counting on the destruction of the party as amerika knew it. As far as they are concerned the n*****s are just going to have to wear it, where else are they gonna go?
The kamikaze plan depends on the the obese white dem pols who make up most of the super delegates believing that african amerikan voters will quietly let themselves be shat on once again; but ClintonCorp will go for broke and throw all the toys outta the playpen if they don’t get their way.
Have no doubt the Clinton’s attitude is “you can’t build a dynasty without breaking a few eggs.” “The whole party paradigm is outmoded in the time of an imperial presidency anyway.” “How can anyone rule with all those senators and congress-people sticking their two cents worth in? All they do is interrupt the flow between us and the lobbyists.”
So a successful Hil and Bill campaign would allow an empty husk of a dem party to continue as long as it served the needs of the Clintoncorp dynasty and until amerikans got so fucked over they couldn’t take it anymore the dem party would stagger on.
A ClintonCorp victory would be merely a phase in the destruction of the dem party. Some of the more greedy and self serving afican american pols would stay on but it is tough to see the african american grassroots staying on if hillary succeeds in her theft of the nomination.
Having seen a something similar in microcosm when the bulk of Maori voters walked outta the NZ Labour Party a couple of electoral cycles back, the most sickening part of a fracture will be seeing the national leadership of the party compete with the rethugs in overtly racist come-ons to uncommitted whitefellas. Yeah I realise that NZ Labour and the dems is comparing an ant to godzilla or whatever but the dynamics are still the same. After a period of trying to win african-amerikans back a big chunk of the leadership will go “fuck it we don’t need them anyhow” and go for the traditional racist vote that the dems cultivated for most of their existence apart from the last couple decades of the 20th century.
So ClintonCorp are seeking to establish ‘their brand’ separate from the dems, the only question is how fucked over will white amerikans have to be before they see that an alternative to the dems is not only viable it is essential and if they do reach that decision, will they have done it in time. That is before it is generally accepted POTUS is an hereditary title passed between BushCo and ClintonCorp following a private ‘auction’ held by the fortune 500 ‘cardinals’.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 30 2008 22:27 utc | 7

To clarify @5- I meant Rovian in nature, not by Rove or the GOP. I’m sure Clinton people have it in them to do something like this.

Posted by: biklett | May 1 2008 1:07 utc | 9

lachatte, whether Bushistan becomes McCainistan or Billaristan is inconsequential.
Even if US rallies around the Obama Revolution, it will only be a symbolic change.
The corrupt cabals that have run Bushistan’s deficits to $8.965 trillion and the
annual federal budget blood-letting to $3.105 trillion will thrive. The Wall Street
Credit.con, following close on the $10T Dot.con neutron bomb will thrive. All we’ll
see is surging overall fees, surcharges and taxes, and greater discretional deficit spending for cancerous bureaucracy, already coming off the greatest metastisization
in American history. They’re not building capital with our blood, only adding
to welfare tax dole russification, a politburo of pensions, benefits, junkets, and
any baaksheesh pols can wrangle. Within a few years, any town in America will look
like any town in any former Soviet republic. There doesn’t seem to be a damn thing
you can do about it. If you push the party line, you’re just pushing more sheeple
into the drophammer. If you protest the party line, you’re instilling fear, panic
and greed which, by the way, are all very un-American attributes, at least in the
rural areas which will be the most heavily impacted. Rural Free Republic will grow
lean, then gaunt, then destitute. Prisonopolis will grow overlarge, a sprawl, and
devolve into a jungle of costumed pariahs, and at nighttime, jackals and leopards.
Midway in between, the exurbs will contract into the suburbs as near-city expands.
Their lawns will go brown, the streets grow cracks, the homes delapidated and worn.
Junk cars will increase along the curbs and in the driveways, some as living rooms.
Likely the best thing to do is just not say anything. Cover your tracks behind you,
pay as few taxes as possible, consume as little as possible, support some charity,
ride a bicycle, start a business, grow a garden, build retirement oasis somewhere.
The Beast feeds on Taxes. That’s the only truth I know, and only way to starve it,
exactly the same way passive investment in energy and food commodities starves US.

Posted by: Kublah Kahn | May 1 2008 2:17 utc | 11

hi jdp! nice to see you again.

Posted by: annie | May 1 2008 3:17 utc | 13

This seems to be pretty big:
Former DNC Chairman And Super-Delegate Joe Andrew Defects From Clinton To Obama

Hillary Clinton has lost a super-delegate this morning in a defection over to Barack Obama, Joe Andrew of Indiana. And just to make it look worse for her, Andrew is a super-delegate by virtue of his service as DNC chairman during Bill’s administration, but is now calling for the party to unite behind Obama.
“While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us,” Andrew wrote in an open letter.
“John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives.”

Posted by: b | May 1 2008 14:53 utc | 15

@16
makes me wonder how endorsing Hilary might have affected Oprahs favorability rating.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | May 1 2008 17:05 utc | 17

Was looking out the window today at the harbor, as the local port readies for a
big Tall Ships event, sailing schooners and replicas of brigantines up to 300 feet,
then something just pinged in that moment. Pulled out the pad and calculator, and a
list of the construction costs of replicating wooden ships from the famous days of
yore, then dredged up an article on “Fightin’ Joe” Lieberman’s $8B submarine to nowhere, and compared the two. And there it was.
If Congress took that $8B, and killed the attack sub contract, and put that $8B
into Treasury bills, just spending the annual interest until the end of time, America could singlehandedly rebuild the entire English and Spanish sailing armada,
then use those in a global game of ambassadorial chess as a peace-keeping gesture.
And in between those never-gonna-happen-wars-of-a-single-day, that huge armada
could sail the world’s oceans, keeping alive the skills of joinery and seamanship,
carrying relief cargoes in their holds to drowning 3W nations around the world.
Forever! One f’g nuke submarine mothballed in New London, or a golden age of sail,
endless recreation, enjoyment, bountiful employment, beauty, and humanitarian aid.
Sometimes what these NeoZi’s have destroyed just sucks the breath from your chest.

Posted by: Polly Anna | May 2 2008 4:28 utc | 19

Watching the tube, especially Chris Matthews, the establishment is shitting their pants over Obama. I have heard several commentators state the question is, if Obama sat in Wrights church for all of those years does he believe like Wright. My answer is probably.
Bill/Hillary have managed to raise enough doubt and play the race card just enough, now the Wright piling on has raised flags. The media and establishment is getting cold feet over Obama.
It seems like Matthews and company, and yes Matthews is establishment (number two rated pundit by the Economist), see the encroachment of a different race (African Americans) to the power structure. The establishment has let blacks in but only marginally. If it don’t happen this election though, there is a game changer.
The generation born between 1980 to 2000 is 70 million strong. Half that generation is minorities and have very liberal views on many issues from what polling says. If not this election, 2012 or 2016 the millenials will force change.
And baby boomers had better watch out. Under the bus will be their next position. Boomers are in “the last throws” of power and when gen x and y get together, the Obamas of the world “will” be the leaders.
In closing, Matthews grip on power is slipping and he sees the writing on the wall.

Posted by: jdp | May 3 2008 2:51 utc | 21