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March 29, 2008
Z-Big on Iraq

No, I don’t like him. He’s an imperialist. But he is a realist-imperialist which is something I prefer over a neocon-zionist imperialist any day.

Zbigniew Brzezinski writes in tomorrows WaPo on The Smart Way Out of a Foolish War

The decision to militarily disengage will also have to be accompanied by political and regional initiatives designed to guard against potential risks.

The longer [U.S. occupation] lasts, the more difficult it will be for a viable Iraqi state ever to reemerge.


It is also important to recognize that most of the anti-U.S. insurgency in Iraq has not been inspired by al-Qaeda. Locally based jihadist groups have gained strength only insofar as they have been able to identify themselves with the fight against a hated foreign occupier.


Bringing the U.S. military effort to a close would also smooth the way for a broad U.S. initiative addressed to all of Iraq’s neighbors. Some will remain reluctant to engage in any discussion as long as Washington appears determined to maintain its occupation of Iraq indefinitely. Therefore, at some stage next year, after the decision to disengage has been announced, a regional conference should be convened to promote regional stability, border control and other security arrangements, as well as regional economic development — all of which would help mitigate the unavoidable risks connected with U.S. disengagement.

The last graph is obviously from Pat Lang’s Concert of the Middle East paper written in late 2006.

More Z-Big:

[W]e should consider a regional rehabilitation program designed to help Iraq recover and to relieve the burdens that Jordan and Syria, in particular, have shouldered by hosting more than 2 million Iraqi refugees.


The "unipolar moment" that the Bush administration’s zealots touted after the collapse of the Soviet Union has been squandered to generate a policy based on the unilateral use of force, military threats and occupation masquerading as democratization — all of which has pointlessly heated up tensions, fueled anti-colonial resentments and bred religious fanaticism.


We started this war rashly, but we must end our involvement responsibly. And end it we must. The alternative is a fear-driven policy paralysis that perpetuates the war — to America’s historic detriment.

In the piece I excerpted above Z-Big speaks a lot about the "costs" of the war. While he talks about U.S. money, dead and wounded, he doesn’t mention any Iraqi "costs". He only "considers" some vague reparations …

He still wants a "residual force in Iraq" to prevent against outer "threats", which to him are al-Qaeda and Iran and not the much more likely Saudi-Sunni threat to overthrow any majority Shia government in Iraq.

Z-Big thinks that Iraq somewhat distracts from Afghanistan which is stupid. Afghanistan is a U.S. occupation for a flimsy reason just as much as Iraq is. It has to and will end the same way.

Still, Z-Big is an important voice in U.S. policy and he has international reach. Most of the right European parties are more near to Z-Big than to the Neocons. The piece above will have quite an effect there. In the Middle East he has some credentials to be more "middle ground" than most U.S. politicians.

So while this is far less than I would like, it is also by far the best U.S. position paper I have seen put forward by someone with a "voice" in a major U.S. media for quite some time.

Comments

Great post b, why should Iraq’s neighbours bail-out a puppet gvmt that’s dead (literally) keen (all neighbours etc) to keep USA spending trillions to keep the puppet in place?
This is Z’big’s play for a seasoned “State” employee to make a bid for VP.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 29 2008 21:39 utc | 1

Meanwhile on the war for oil:
Today, Bryce writes, the average G.I. in Iraq consumes 20.5 gallons of fuel per day, so that in order to secure the third-richest oil country on the planet (9.5% of the world total), the Pentagon is chugalugging over 3 million gallons per day in Iraq, “and nearly every drop of that fuel is imported.” About 5,500 tanker trucks are involved in this lovely, oil-burning up exercise so that “the U.S. is spending $923 million per week on fuel-related logistics in order to keep 157,000 G.I.s in Iraq.” Lovely, that is, for the “defense” contractors.
Little, if any, of Iraq’s own oil is being used by the U.S. military. Instead, it’s being trucked in from an oil complex south of Kuwait City and from Turkey, which, in turn, gets some of its oil from as far away as Greece.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 29 2008 22:18 utc | 2

Knowing Jr, as we do, we know he will do the exact opposite of anything of Zbig’s realist learned and experienced recommendations, mostly I believe, out of sheer arrogant spite.
It will go over about as well as Poppy’s and Uncle Bakers white paper study. Completely ignored. Jr, reminds me of the type that will go to their gave before admission or acknowledgment. A sickness really.
That is why I have said before, Bush is playing out his family trauma on the whole of the world.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 29 2008 23:42 utc | 3

b
i have never had much time for z-big & his ilk. & america has produced a plethora of them. for every real genius whether it was melville, hart crane jackson pollock or jimi hendrix – rare genius – it has produced a polypphony of pontifical madmen who imagine they are machiavel – whether it is a david rockefeller, a kissinger or a brezinski – it has met its abyss in the family kristol pere et fils, whose ideas the world not only wants but rejects organically from the bodypolitic
they are a strain of the straussian/schmitt virus – whom imagine an elite for whom they are the godheads
whatever is the opposite of a godhead they are. vulgarly, shitheads will do for today
they are intellectuals who pretend to be disinterested in the same way that the pompous & poor puppet the bbc imagine it projects objectivity. unfortunately, they are not even gifted enough to hide from the world – their real ‘interests’ & those interests are very far from the real & actual interests of the people of this world, especially the americans
they are a horrible subspecies & perhaps one of the few merits of the pbs ‘bush’s war’ is just to see the physical aspects of this subspecies – the kagans, the libby’s, the yoo’s etc who get hot when they talk of inasions & bombs & eroticise the death of law – are themselves – almost physically repulsive. the arrogance they enunciate is belied by their evident physical monstrousness. they are bestial & it is obvious once they speak – the rare human amongst them – wilkerson for example or the general chineski appear out of their league with these monster. the lawyer john yoo is particularly loathsome – filmed in 2007 we begin to see the kaletenbrunner of nuremburg – guilty but looking keenly for a door out of his dilemna
i read like others here – the new york review of books, the new yorker & atlantic or harpers – & while there might be some good thinkers – tony judt for example – they are still men of meagre intelligence
sad to say – but today the real thinking is being done in sinkiang province

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 30 2008 0:21 utc | 4

If Obama & Chessboarder are installed, then this ‘disengagement’ better. fucking. HAPPEN.
If it doesn’t, I will stop reading all political analysis&opinion forever, because there’s just no connexion to reality anymore.

Posted by: Cloud | Mar 30 2008 2:20 utc | 5

What’s missing in all this is the fact that the most powerful army this World has ever produced can’t even take the Flinstones in Iraq. Iraqis have no armor, no artillary, no air defenses, no high tech weapons and no government support from any country in the WOrld. Yet the US leaders all promote the idea that they can rule the World if they just tweak this or tweak that and the solution will come. Like they can tell billions of people around the World just how it’s going to be. Uh hello!!! you’ve been in Iraq for over 5 years and you are no closer to your objectives than the day you crossed the border.
If they had a handle on the situation they wouldn’t have to tell massive lies all the time to cover up their failure against the resistance. Bush pretending that the Basra intervention was an Iraqi only initiative is laughable. Right from the start of it reports in the media told of increased traffic flowing into the Basra airport, increased occupation troops arriving at the Iranian border to cut off supply, and Special Forces and Advisors accompanying the Iraqi Army. CNN showed footage of Maliki in Basra on day one with white armed mercanries protecting him. And the US airforce don’t do strikes on Iraqi orders but use their own spotters on the ground.
As for the allegation that Cheney ordered the Supreme Council to allow the elections and that led to the Basra attack think again. The US strategy has turned to patronizing the Sunni ever since the Saudis clued in Cheney that Sunni genocide is not on the table. The fact that they are paying tens of thousands of Sunnis wages and the sectarian conflict has dwindled is proof of that. The Sunni beef is that the Supreme Council rules over them because they boycotted the elections. They have demanded removal of the Supreme Council leadership and Cheny delivered. It was that or more IEDs in Sunni terroritory. In other words a no brainer. Taking out Sadr had nothing to do with it. Sadr is a nationalist and stands in the way of Hakim building his personally owned Hezbollistan in the south of Iraq. The Americans think they are taking advantage but the Iraqi street says otherwise.
If the Americans move significant forces south to try to reverse the Sadr victory they risk losing any gains in the north. What’s even more perplexing is the Kurdish support for the US despite the fact the Americans are allowing both Turkey and Iran to continously bomb Kurdistan. All of these are reactions and manipulations not a plan. If they had a clue there wouldn’t be 150,000 US troops still in Iraq.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 30 2008 2:20 utc | 6

can’t even take the Flinstones in Iraq.
lol, i have to admit i laughed. but seriously even tho they don’t have ANY of the assets you mention..no armor, no artillary, no air defenses, no high tech weapons and no government support from any country in the WOrld., they are, after all iraqi. and they are fighting for not only there country but their heritage. they are the friggin cradle of civilization for god’s sake and if you don’t think THAT comes w/some attitude we don’t know from adam.. don’t ever underestimate them. they were the most secular,educated ,advanced country in the real middle east (i say real because i don’t consider israel a middle eastern country, the majority of their citizens anyway). they probably know a few things about strategy and combat that we may figure out in another 1000 years.
that’s gotta count for something, unless you think god’s on their side.

Posted by: annie | Mar 30 2008 3:29 utc | 7

Cloud #5–
Prepare to stop reading, then. Z-big can say the US should disengage, but he can not say how to do it. There is no way. It is not a quagmire, it is a tarpit, like the one near Los Angeles that used to routinely suck down dinosaurs–no escape.
It is not like Vietnam, where the US could bail out and leave it to the puppet government to create a “decent interval”–the Iraq war is, after all, about oil and the control of oil, and the US will not walk a way from that.
Cannot–any more than an addict in the throws of a binge can walk away from his crack pipe.
What Z-big is doing, is trying to blow smoke, to buy more time. GWB really HAS mismanaged things: The US is going down much faster than the Big Boyz intended.
But the US has no strategic room left in which to manoeuver. No good options. None.
And that won’t change.
Annie #7–
“think god’s on their side”
I think the phrase is “Allah akbar!” As far as they are concerned, they do. In ADDITION to what you said.

Posted by: Gaianne | Mar 30 2008 5:11 utc | 8

As far as they are concerned, they do.
😉
to be honest (jcairo, spare me please!!) i do think there may be more than an ounce of karma, enough to push the tipping point…the collective global consciousness,
oh please ,down in my knees. it isn’t theirs alone.
it is for all of us. when i think about the amazing circumstance of the illusionary temporary ‘superpower’ challenging the inheritors of our origin of civilization it seems so rightfully their win. it won’t be a slap in the face, it will be the downfall of an evil virus overtaking and threatening our species, our earth.
when my child told me in all seriousness his generation could witness the end of mankind.. they came into this world w/that burden. somethings gotta give. it amazes me the showdown is w/people we flippantly regard as ‘flinstones’. will they be humanities saviors?
today i was scrolling thru an iraq antiquities site. thinking about how they had preserved so much until our ruthless gutting of mankind’s treasures. this culture we have invaded has passion respect and regard for a history we bomb to oblivion w/out a second thought. the libraries! the first written expression! stories! all a drop in the bucket, a fraction of the preservation they continued for centuries and we demolished w/out any forethought, or worse w/intention, as if it meant nothing because in the eyes of the greedmasters it DOES AMOUNT to NOTHING. destroying their past is a path to a progress towards submission. what is lost however is not only their past, it is our past. humanities past. i can’t help from clutching on to this instinct that the keepers of our civilization will prevail. tho we may prevent them from preserving our past, perhaps karma will enable them to preserve our future.

Posted by: annie | Mar 30 2008 7:30 utc | 9

annie:
it amazes me the showdown is w/people we flippantly regard as ‘flinstones’.
Try adding the next sentance I wrote to put my remarks – Iraqis have no armor, no artillary, no air defenses, no high tech weapons and no government support from any country in the WOrld. – in context instead of your own personal interpretations. What are you a projectionist mind reader putting thoughts in other people’s heads because you don’t like the sentance structure? It’s a military comparison and the word is appropriate to the situation. Talk about flippant!!!

Posted by: Sam | Mar 30 2008 8:44 utc | 10

@Sam
A suggestion … ‘Play the ball, not the man …’
There are many facets and contexts to any subject/topic … in a text only interface, a thicker, less sensitive skin tends to be more conducive to an open, productive discussion based on mutual respect …
By the way, liked your #6, was a clear, concise and cogent summary analysis … from a particular perspective.
Cheers 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 30 2008 18:12 utc | 11

Ahhhh, buy that man a drink! Quick! before he leaves again…lol
Good to see you outraged…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 30 2008 18:36 utc | 12

Make it a double.

Posted by: beq | Mar 30 2008 19:46 utc | 13

i’m sorry sam. i didn’t mean you personally. when i said ‘we’, i meant we as a culture. and by flippant i meant lacking proper respect or seriousness. i did not consider your #6 comment as insulting, quite the opposite. and i did admit to laughing at it.
i think the ptb depend on our considering the ‘enemy’ as ‘less than’. and i think your usage of the term flinstones in the context of your post, as i read, it was quite appropo.
once again i am sorry if you took my response personally.

Posted by: annie | Mar 30 2008 23:16 utc | 14

also, i think we are supposed to consider them in some sort of heathan way, we are always being directed towards thinking of muslims like this in the media.
reading my post again i can see how you could have taken offense to it, really. no offense was intended. i highjacked your term and used it in a different context. i know what you were saying.

Posted by: annie | Mar 30 2008 23:25 utc | 15

what is up in sinkiang province, r’giap?

Posted by: boxcar mike | Mar 31 2008 2:00 utc | 16