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March 26, 2008
Rice-McCain – Likely

Posted this in the OT thread some hours ago, but it deserves wider discussion. Steve Clemons says:

Condi Rice Flirts With VP Possibility — Speaks to Grover Norquist’s Wednesday Group Meeting

As one major Republican operative told me yesterday:

Someone like Condi Rice doesn’t go to Grover Norquist’s den to talk about the Annapolis Middle East peace process. She’s going to secure her future in Republican politics and to position herself as a ‘potential’ VP candidate on the McCain ticket.

A follow up reports:

[Rice] responded by saying that she was not interested in more government service at this point …

Others still argue that one does not talk serious foreign policy matters with the Wednesday Group Meeting without wanting to also telegraph that one might be interested in political futures. In other words, though saying she is not interested in the Vice Presidential slot on a McCain ticket, Condoleezza Rice might be convinced at some point to give up her near California dreams if "necessity" required it.

If Obama wins the Democrats race it makes a lot of sense for McCain to use Rice as VP. Right melanin level – right conviction.

Mr. ‘Know-nothing’ together with Miss ‘Can’t-get-anything-done’ – a perfect match.

Will the people fall for it? Maybe, or likely – the media will – inevitably.

Comments

Yeah…….. I’ve been afraid of this. While we all know what an incompetent Rice has been, a McCain/Rice ticket would be formidable. The media would be all over it, and they would see to it that the whole narrative of the campaign would change. McCain/Rice would be box office gold for the cable news bobbleheads. I hope it doesn’t happen, but I’m feeling The Fear….

Posted by: montysano | Mar 26 2008 20:40 utc | 1

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If they could sell this, they could sell ANYTHING! It would be game(US) over! At least we would think The Log Cabin Republicans would support her(Not that there’s anything wrong with that)!

Posted by: R.L. | Mar 26 2008 20:52 utc | 2

would the neocon’s really allow rice on their ticket? she’s taken criticism from them for her foreign policy direction and is a protege of scowcroft, after all, so it’d seem to me that such a move would be interpreted as a powercheck from the realists.

Posted by: b real | Mar 26 2008 21:27 utc | 3

McCain/Rice, is so easily packaged, expect a July Palestian/Accord………. just 30 seconds in the microwave.
The CNN/BBC/ITV/FOX/CNBC/ whores will ejaculate a victory for St. John and the “virgin”.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 26 2008 21:43 utc | 4

wow – actual elections this fall? a breathtaking assumption. I fear the worst of Bushco is still to come. Mostly because, for the last two years, folks keep saying “What else could they fuck-up?” And so far its everything…

Posted by: gus | Mar 26 2008 22:41 utc | 5

besides the fact that she’s a worthless apple-polisher and joined at the hip with the wildly unpopular Chimpy, I wonder how this would play with the racist rethug base?
about as well as McCain allowing that undocumented aliens are still “God’s children” I suspect.

Posted by: ran | Mar 26 2008 22:58 utc | 6

Looks like they’re hell bent to put Mr. Know Nothing on both Presidential Tickets, so they’ll be no choice whatever. What Zbig wants Zbig gets. Since few Dems. will actually vote for JackAss Party, they’re already covering their ass by rounding up Rethug Endorsers. So far, they’ve come up w/Paul Craig Roberts, Susan Eisenhower & John Dean. Repugs can recognize their own no matter what the gift wrapping. As for the rest of his idiot worshippers, never under-estimate the power of guilt & desperation. His Bastard Spiritual Mentor turns out to provide good cover for a radical right wing extremist. Who wouldda thunk. Of the 4 candidates, Condi will turn out to be the only one who knows her ass from a hole in the ground.
But to me the far more interesting issue, given that Elites are hell bent on shoving in a know-nothing Demagogue this Nov., is to look back over Presidendial contenders since FDR. What I observe is that since Emperor David (Rockefeller) said enough already of this experiment in Democracy, the Wall Street Bankers are taking over now (early 70’s), they make damn sure that they have a docile ignoramus to stick in. Notice shift away from Senators – Oybamination w/his stinking 2 yrs. in the Senate before he was told to run only confirms it. And while FDR may not have had formal senate experience, he was Sec. of the Navy in time of Major War & then ran the largest state in the Union. The less these pathetic empty suits know, the easy they are to manipulate…. Seriously Grim Situation Ahead…

Posted by: jj | Mar 26 2008 23:33 utc | 7

P.S. Not feeling too well, but what I was trying to say in 2nd paragraph above is contrast the quality of the Presidents pre-Watergate & Post. What I wouldn’t give for a candidate the quality of LBJ. They’d NEVER allow it to happen. Can’t have anyone who knows enough to stand up to Elite Managers.
I finally figured out in recent weeks what so-called “Watergate” was about. Key is to understand that Nixon wasn’t tossed ‘cuz he violated a few laws. If that were both necessary & sufficient, they would have tossed Bu$hCo. But Pelosi, who is naturally advised by Robt. Rubin (& Rahm Emanuel), informed Conyers that he’d be removed of his Committee Chairmanship if he dared hold hearings. Hence we should have learned from that that committing Major Impeachable Crimes is merely nec. for Impeachment, but not sufficient. So, why was Nixon unceremoniously tossed?
Here’s my take. We know that Emperor David (Rockefeller), whose job is to run the Ship of State & translate the inchoate feelings of the Permanent Elites into State Policy, convened The Trilateral Commission, etc. w/Zbig as his right-hand man to commence the Counter-Revolution – ie. to return control of America to a handful of Wall St. Bankers & their lawyer assistants. Their hope was that the Dems. would take over in ’72 & begin the process. But the Democratic Party allowed too much room for actual democracy – ie. input from the actual Citizens of the country – hence McGovern was nominated. They certainly couldn’t allow that to come to pass. So, immed. after the election they began process of changing Dem. Party to structure they could control – see “Super-Delegates”. They wanted to begin regaining control of America immediately, while they formed Elite Planning Committees & drafted requisite planning documents. Had they allowed Nixon to stay in power for another 4 yrs. the mass movement toward actual democracy would have continued unabated, as he was a super-irritant to the masses. Easier to dump him & install basically a caretaker govt. in the interim while the wheels of Elite Management ground quietly in the background. They tip-off for the initiate is that David tossed a bone to his brother – giving him V.P. For the masses they were allowed to see this as evidence “democratic institutions actually working” – while in fact it meant exactly the opposite.
Anyone have any thoughts they’d like to share?? I’m curious, as it’s taken me forever to make any sense whatever out of “Watergate”; but when you put it together w/the equally inexplicable failure to even hold hearing on impeaching this bastard, some things begin to make sense – I think.

Posted by: jj | Mar 26 2008 23:52 utc | 8

jj #8, I think your analysis right. Fits with earlier info that owner of Washington Post had in for Nixon, as Nixon was apparently going to oppose financiers. Do know Nixon didn’t like Bohemian Grove,(went twice?)called it “the faggiest thing you’ve ever seen”.

Posted by: plushtown | Mar 27 2008 0:26 utc | 9

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If they could sell this, they could sell ANYTHING!

That’s the problem: They can sell anything. Anything.

Posted by: montysano | Mar 27 2008 0:50 utc | 10

Condi Rice: Hi, Pentagon? How about a little intel? For, you know, the intelligence adviser?
Rumsfeld: Don’t worry your pretty little head, missy. We’re in control over here. *Pisses on hydrant*
I am no Condi Rice fan, as they all were/are war criminals to various degree, but jesus, what protocol dysfunctionality.
Contrary to PBS’ Frontline 2- part special Bush’s war, and spammed on all the gatekeeper lefty sexy progressive sites. This was not “Jr’s war”, at least not at first. This has been Cheney and Rummys plot from the start. Jr, just got to wear the flight suit.
Having not seen it all, yet, I have red flags and a few random loose thoughts, so far it seems like a bastardized imitation of Paul Thompson’s exceptional and praise worthy ‘terror time-line’, second, I smell propagenda once again, I can’t put my finger on it, but it seems too compartmentalized… remember, the method of propagenda has as it’s sole purpose to herd you into a certain one way channel of thought, sort of like sociologist Thorstein Veblen’s “trained incapacity”, his theory works like this, authority figures train their members or practitioners to see certain aspects of a problem, but in so doing those practitioners become trained to not see other aspects of the same problem.
Which gives them an out*. In this case the authority being the media, and you (the general audience), i.e., the masses, being in the role of the practitioner(‘s) who gets escorted into an Gedankenexperiment, linguistic thought trap, in other words, herding you into no other avenue but one, their truth. Whom does that benefit?
PBS’, propagenda? the hell you say, uncle!
Is anyone here familiar with the concepts and the idea of ‘nowcasting’, or ‘hindcasting’; am I grasping at spooks?
What says learned MOA’s?
*In other words, ‘plausible denialability’ or “blameless cupidity” also a Veblenism; lastly, by ‘them’ I mean a both the media, and the protagonist’s of this tragicomedy.
“War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it.” ~ Erasmus

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 27 2008 5:10 utc | 11

pbs is state media, afaik. frontline is in the frontline of propagenda mgmt. ray mcgovern dissected that “special” in wednesday’s counterpunch
Too Timid, Too Little and Too Late

Notably missing was any allusion to the unconscionable role the Fourth Estate adopted as indiscriminate cheerleader for the home team; nor was there any mention that the invasion was a serious violation of international law. But those omissions, I suppose, should have come as no surprise.
Nor was it a surprise that any viewer hoping for insight into why Cheney and Bush were so eager to attack Iraq was left with very thin gruel. It was more infotainment, bereft of substantive discussion of the whys and wherefores of what in my view is the most disastrous foreign policy move in our nation’s history.

Frontline has done no timely reportage that might be looked upon as disparaging the George W. Bush administration-I mean, for example, the real aims behind the war, not simply the gross incompetence characterizing its conduct. Like so many others, Frontline has been, let’s just say it, cowardly in real time-no doubt intimidated partly by attacks on its funding that were inspired by the White House.

Posted by: b real | Mar 27 2008 5:19 utc | 12

Rice can be McCain’s sprue gripper on Neo-Zi “quasi-reality”.

Posted by: Peris Troika | Mar 27 2008 5:22 utc | 13

U$ – Of course, PBS BW is Neo-Zi’s 1936 Olympics hindcast.
“We were just caught up in the WMD hysteria and bad intel.
There were all those flags, and new uniforms and MARCHING!”

Posted by: Peris Troika | Mar 27 2008 5:26 utc | 14

I don’t see that McCain’s selection of anyone from the Bush administration would be a viable strategy. Choosing Rice as his running mate would absolutely doom his candidacy. He might as well choose Addington or Rumsfeld or one of the other monsters. If one were to bet, the smart money would be on General Petraeus.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 27 2008 5:42 utc | 15

errrargh. i’m having one of those moments when i don’t really feel like posting but the synchronicity wins out.
i had the misfortune to watch pt 2 of bush’s war last night and it was a love letter to condi. needless to say that was my first thought when i read this post this morn but i was unable to fully express my disgust.
bear with me because my talents are weak.
condi saved the war and gave it ‘hope’ by listening to the glorious military guy responsible for our incredible success in talafar who defied all the wrongs of rummy(behind his back , natch) and dove into the population and really rescued them from the terrorists by invading , holding and then staying emmersed the troops into the population and protected them. it was this incredible revelation that eventually led to the surge concept.
all because of condi. the heart and soul of our success in iraq thus far.
can i go now.

Posted by: annie | Mar 27 2008 6:15 utc | 16

let’s haul out the violins for condi and marvel at the msm for upping her stakes as vip/vp the night after pbs hails her as the next best thing since sliced cheese.

Posted by: annie | Mar 27 2008 6:20 utc | 17

bravo annie… your talents are NOT weak, love your mind, hun…lol
Can I buy ya a drink, perhaps a Chinese apothecary?…lol
Wait, do we serve that here at da moon?…
Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it. -John Lennon
p.s. an apt quote, as with even my open minded friends, there is no understanding by them of how layered and deep the twisted rabbit hole goes, you just can’t articulate it to em, they can only walk with ya so far… you know, lead a horse to water kinda thing…lol geez…
Speaking of rabbits

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 27 2008 6:50 utc | 18

Uncle #11, Veblen, yes. Leisure is the basis of culture, so now all living units require 2 incomes.
“Trained incapacity”, wonderful phrase,as a steer is trained to not touch an electric fence, eventually allowing power to be switched off.
Saves energy, especially when there are fewer steers and Tesla’s wireless (uses earth) electricity from the atmosphere system is put in place with a century of improvements. J.P. Morgan backed for a bit,51% of $150,000. (Tesla had in 1897 forgiven millions in royalties Westinghouse owed on the ac system we still use. Westinghouse turned down investing in the new system.)
After a while, and after Morgan’s technical people had lots of schema, and likely after consulting with allied Rothschilds,
he pulled out, saying all impractical and that he would advise the 49% capital owners to pull out too. Done.
In January 1943 Tesla died in Manhattan and the feds got his papers, the papers of the original guy said to have a death ray. Boeing etc boing.
Big business thinks long term, even when pretending not to.

Posted by: plushtown | Mar 27 2008 7:03 utc | 19

Uncle#18 (and John Lennon), not maniacal, just businesslike.

Posted by: plushtown | Mar 27 2008 7:08 utc | 20

Talk about failing upwards. Screw up as National Security Adviser and you’re Sec of State. Do nothing in that role and become VP. Then sit on your hands until McCain carks it and you’re president. Amazing.

Posted by: swio | Mar 27 2008 10:10 utc | 21

Think of the millions of liberal Americans who cannot decide whether to vote for a negro or a woman: having Condi Rice on the ticket would allow the Republicans to tap into that vein big-time…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 27 2008 12:09 utc | 22

“whether to vote for a negro or a woman”.
According africans, and LeCarré, obama is not a negro. Is a Zebra.

Posted by: curious | Mar 27 2008 12:37 utc | 23

Can I buy ya a drink, perhaps a Chinese apothecary?…lol
Wait, do we serve that here at da moon?…

luverly
turning over in the middle of the night i noticed the orb in the sky perfectly framed in my window. i thought, ‘moon over basra’. the same moon is watching over the carnage there providing propaganda cover as american airpower plummets other regions in the guise of called in support of Iraqi forces
bbc,last 3 paragraphs…
It is not clear what has prompted the government crackdown at this time. The government says its campaign aims to re-impose law and order in Basra.
However, Sadrists say the government is attempting to weaken the militias before local elections scheduled for October.
At stake, analysts say, is control of Iraq’s only port city and the region’s oil fields.

da
moon over basra, say another prayer
OT, sorry. just going crazy on ya

Posted by: annie | Mar 27 2008 13:10 utc | 24

a negro or a woman…..tap into that vein big-time
oh my god, it hadn’t even occur to me..of course the perfect gop solution!! condi. 2 birds w/one stone.
for all the best condi updates..

UPDATE: In the comments, Washington Note’s Steve Clemons responds to pink glittery critic!

once again princess sparkle pony rides triumphant into the sunrise facing another day heads up and eyes wide open..

Posted by: annie | Mar 27 2008 13:29 utc | 25

I don’t see that McCain’s selection of anyone from the Bush administration would be a viable strategy. Choosing Rice as his running mate would absolutely doom his candidacy.

If Chris Matthews and the other bobbleheads decide that they like the narrative, that the “She’s black! She’s a woman!” story will attract viewers, then they’ll go to work selling it.
I just bought “Network” on DVD, and am in the process of inflicting it on any of my friends that will watch, so Howard Beale is much on my mind lately:

This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation.
This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers.
This tube is the most awesome goddamn force in the whole godless world.
And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people.
And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network.

Posted by: montysano | Mar 27 2008 14:56 utc | 26

The press would swoon in bobbysockser mania over McCain/Rice at first. But the Dems should run as ads the clip from the 9/11 Commission hearings where Rice gives the title of the Aug. 6 Presidential Daily Briefing as “I believe the title was ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.'” (about 4 minutes into this clip). Run it over and over, until even the lowest-information voter reacts to Rice with “incompetent, she let the terrorists attack.” However much the rightwing loves the enabling Rice, she has been too obviously and publicly incompetent for them to nominate her to anything.

Posted by: nihil obstet | Mar 27 2008 15:14 utc | 27

However much the rightwing loves the enabling Rice, she has been too obviously and publicly incompetent for them to nominate her to anything.

I hope you’re right; I fear you’re not.

Posted by: montysano | Mar 27 2008 15:33 utc | 28

curious,
and if you dig deeper, you will probably discover that Condi is not a woman either…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 27 2008 15:38 utc | 29

Give them all an opportunity.

Posted by: curious | Mar 27 2008 17:14 utc | 30

Rice is no more incompetent than any of the guys & far less incompetent than most of them, beginning w/crazy Johnny McCain & “My Joey” Lieberman, but in a a patriarchal system, wherein as Anita Hill said after her ordeal women are the new niggers, you only get one strike & you’re out. And it’s be impossible for her to be more incompetent than Oybama who only diddled about in the Senate for 2 yrs. before succumbing to his Narcisssism & beginning his presidential run.
Nevertheless, I’m sure she’d be be far happier to retire to a well-earned lifetime sinecure @Stanford, as she’s far better suited to life in the Academy than all the Wash. Bullshit. Plenty of guys back there simply want to use her for a bit longer to cover their own sexist, racist asses.

Posted by: jj | Mar 27 2008 17:20 utc | 31

At this point in time being incompetent is a virtue. Her marketing value is high, so she’d do. The puppeteers will decide.

Posted by: Ben | Mar 27 2008 17:56 utc | 32

I’ d say Keep her out of academia, however the way things have gone , she’ll fit right in. She ceased to be a prof/teacher the moment she put service to commerce ahead of her responsibility to her students. She very well may be an academic, but she is far from an educator. She and Blair should get together and create a curriculum, entitled, ‘Dostoyevsky, meets ‘Jesus’ in the house of vain’. ‘A salute to Demon

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 27 2008 18:44 utc | 33

b real, peris stroika & others
watched that piece of shit last night – what a waste – singular in its absence of abu ghraib except as a sort of parenthesis
if i was left with anything it was simply that they were the dumbest bunch of motherfuckers i have ever had to witness in a 4 hour documentary. dumb as all fuck. dumb beyond belief
cofer black- did he enter the world through the arsehole of james jesus angleton ?
they are all covered in their own faeces but it is we who feel dirty
& all the lawyers – fuck me dead – the honorable thing would be to lock them up in a cage on rikers island – with a special hannibal lecter room for torture lawyer john yoo

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 27 2008 18:51 utc | 34

Mc Cain – Rice?
As Mc C. has to have a VP who is far younger than 71, has never had an affair with a attractive lobbyist, hasn’t had cancer, has nothing to do with Viet-Nam, and preferably prays on bended knees all over the place – a woman would be good, Condi would seem to fit the bill – minus the prayer.
No.
She is too strongly associated with the Bush Admin (see Copeland above), is a follower rather than a leader, not popular in her own right – compare with Obama, see race, gender, issues, etc.
Basically she is the scribe, the help meet, the stalwart supporter, the figure who gingerly goes public, with all precautions and support – a super high class version of the black maid.
The idea that if Mc. C keels over she would be President would be scary for the upper reaches.
Malleable followers are great in lower positions; when edged to the top, the danger is not that they grow wings and go wild (happens rarely) but that they become too dependent, and thus are hard to direct, manage, and don’t project an image of power (See Bush.)
*What do I know* – as many said, they can sell anything.
Mc C. would probably choose some younger, Repub. buddy (white male. Governor, etc.)

Posted by: Tangerine | Mar 27 2008 19:21 utc | 35

I’m getting really tired of the whole genre of “Condi is really a man in drag, Condi is not really a girl, Condi must be a dyke” slurs… as would anyone be who has seen exactly the same kind of slurs aimed at the first female mechanic in the shop, the first female technician in the lab, the first female pilot in the fleet, etc. it’s always the same set of tired old “jokes” — “so which bathroom does she use?” — “I thought you’d stand up to pee, you seem to want to a guy’s job” — “say hi to your wife for me” — or to a boyfriend “say, does she make a good husband?” — and so on.
what makes her “not really a woman” eh? too tall? not pretty enough, not enough of an infantilised Barbie doll for the guys to feel comfortable around her? too smart? too many educational creds, too many talents? or is it that she’s out of her “place” in a “man’s job”? ain’t nothing progressive about dissing her on those grounds, that’s just plain old bog-standard sexism.
enough already. Condi is a woman — and Condi is a wealthy wingnut: there are female privileged wingnuts in Richistan as well as old boys in suits. just like there are a few select privileged wingnuts who are not melanin-deficient, permitted on camera and in the club only so long as they toe the whiteboys’ line. that doesn’t make her a nice person, not admirable or any kind of role model — but these dissy little digs about her appealing to “log cabin republicans” (a gay rightist political club) and so on imho speak more to the gender anxieties of both lefty and righty boys, than to Condi’s own gender.
she’s a woman, and she has power, and she’s an ideological opponent — get over it. homophobic and sexist slurs cast in her direction only identify the caster as a homophobe and sexist. they don’t do her any damage. they do, however, imho alienate potential allies and weaken the left/opposition. women of little political conviction but much workplace experience of harassment are likely to feel some sympathy and solidarity with Condi in face of this kind of heckling, and surely that’s the last thing we need…

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 27 2008 19:27 utc | 36

However, Condi may have some competition:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23830268/

Posted by: JMC | Mar 27 2008 21:20 utc | 37

Considering McCain’s health and age, we might get a black, female President before we get either a black male or a white female President, I suppose. How ironic.

Posted by: mimi | Mar 28 2008 2:21 utc | 38

THREE EASY PIECES
It’s 3AM, it’s pitch dark outside, the wind is howling,
you’re gonna be evicted tomorrow…when the phone rings.
Right now, you need a Commander in Chief who knows how
to hit the ground running, with the experience to match.
A dry branch scrapes against the window as you pickup:
“Hello?”
“Hello, this is David Koresh, is Ms. Clinton there?”

It’s 3AM, it’s pitch dark outside, the wind is howling,
you’re gonna be evicted tomorrow…when the phone rings.
Right now, you need a Commander in Chief who knows how
to hit the ground running, with the experience to match.
A dry branch scrapes against the window as you pickup:
“Hello?”
“Hello, this is Patty Hearst, is Ms. Clinton there?”

It’s 3AM, it’s pitch dark outside, the wind is howling,
you’re gonna be evicted tomorrow…when the phone rings.
Right now, you need a Commander in Chief who knows how
to hit the ground running, with the experience to match.
A dry branch scrapes against the window as you pickup:
“Hello?”
“Hello, this is Marc Rich, is Ms. Clinton there?”

Posted by: Peris Troika | Mar 28 2008 3:41 utc | 39

Ok – it looks likely that the Democrats have finally moved against Clinton’s desasterous campaign and are demanding her retreat. According to TPM a lot of ‘superdelegates’ and party functionaries are now coming out against her. Breaking Free.
Good, its about time, let’s hope she listens …
(JJ – I know you don’t like this (I don’t either) but maybe this is the less wreaking path?)

Posted by: b | Mar 28 2008 20:58 utc | 40

Seizing people’s laptops based on their looks suddenly becomes a subject for jokes? The shredding of the Bill of Rights as stand up comedy material, nice…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 2 2008 10:31 utc | 41