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March 11, 2008
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Schaap’s testimony starts at page 1299 In this 1999 civil trial that exposed the USG conspiracy that killed Martin Luther King, William Schaap was brought in as an expert witness on CIA/FBI psy-ops. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 11 2008 10:25 utc | 1 Schaap’s testimony starts at page 1299 In this 1999 civil trial that exposed the USG conspiracy that killed Martin Luther King, William Schaap was brought in as an expert witness on CIA/FBI psy-ops. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 11 2008 10:26 utc | 2 thanks Uncle, just watched ist, particularly like 1917 NYT headline that Lenin et. al. were Kaiser agents. Disinfo often has info, 2 edged sword handled by wisemen jokesters, foiled by none. Wow, thanks again Uncle. Has court’s transcript there too, opens in new window, so you can read and listen. He’s at 1299 very near the bottom, though 2 witnesses at once is kind of fun. Here’s very end of his testimony. What amazes me, and should have earlier, is that JFK conspiros are mocked by otherwise smart people yet don’t respond with this. Why to 2015 not 1990? 150 years sealed? Whose feelings was LBJ trying to protect, Shirley Booth’s so she wouldn’t have to clean up? kirk would have sex with the alien Posted by: jcairo | Mar 11 2008 14:11 utc | 5 Announcer doll (not sure yet, prob not Bernie from Sesame St), maybe Dr. Evil, holding a device: the jurist: Different Justice at the UN Rwanda War Crimes Court
also see
(h/t to african news analysis) Posted by: b real | Mar 11 2008 15:19 utc | 7 Sorry, b real, but anyone who writes “Rwanda genocide” as if butchering most of the Tutsis, 1 million people at least, which means 1/8 of your country, isn’t a real genocide, is a fucking moron who should get beaten up with a pipe lead. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Mar 11 2008 17:12 utc | 8 can anyone point me in the right direction? looking for barack obama’s stance on iran. i seem to remember that he abstained from voting on hr 1400 (kyl-lieberman) which to me says a whole lot. there’s obama fever at my work and it seems that the man can do no wrong. i argued that his stance on iran was hawkish considering some remarks he made in a recent foreign policy speech of his. so, can anyone point me in the right direction? don’t get me wrong, i don’t want to see the man fail, i just want to make a point that foreign policy in the u.s. will not change, or not considerably, even if obama gets elected. Posted by: charmicarmicat | Mar 11 2008 17:30 utc | 9 But then, I suppose “The Jews had it coming” and “Stalin wanted to strike Germany, so Hitler was forced to attack and set up Operation Barbarossa” Posted by: Alex | Mar 11 2008 17:48 utc | 10 here is Obama’s major foreign policy speech.
More sanctions … It’s time to face reality. Diplomacy has failed, completely, to halt Iran’s march toward nuclear weapons. Diplomacy works when both sides want peace. Iran doesn’t – they’re simply stalling for time until they can get their bombs ready. War is inevitable. It’s better to do it when we’re ready than when they’re ready. /snark Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 11 2008 20:15 utc | 12 This is an interesting couple of “news” together, and probably just for a short time:
UK top cop who led CIA probe found dead
Body of British police chief found in Welsh mountains Posted by: Colombianonymous | Mar 11 2008 22:27 utc | 13 more than a little interesting colombianonymous Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 11 2008 23:02 utc | 14 Hi there, here goes the working link for the second part of the post on Tattaglia & Barzini, that seems to have changed. Look for the “suicide” as line of investigation. If the link goes missing again, it could appear searching for body welsh mountains. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 12 2008 0:50 utc | 16 re #13 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 12 2008 2:55 utc | 17 @CluelessJoe #8 –
no position from me on erlinder’s use of quotes when refering to the civil war in rwanda, as i still have plenty of questions before understanding it all, but here is an extract from a piece that edward herman wrote last october – Genocide Inflation is the Real Human Rights Threat: Yugoslavia and Rwanda
there seems to be a lot of valid criticism of the ICTR & accusations that it is set up as a u.s.-controlled alternative to the ICC. that is why i linked to the first erlinder commentary – essentially the ICTR says it will send individuals convicted there back to rwanda — an autocracy headed up by a man widely believed to be a war criminal & protected by the u.s. & its proxies. Posted by: b real | Mar 12 2008 3:20 utc | 18 Thanks b real for the provocative pieces on Rwanda. The concentric half-truth’s that have been constructed are slowly melting away. It may be worth remembering that the tense environment in Rwanda took a turn for the worst after 2 critical events. Posted by: BenIAM | Mar 12 2008 4:30 utc | 19 agreed, and they’re also significant in illustrating the charges against the ICTR as a kangaroo, or at least compromised, court. from keith harmon snow’s interview w/ paul (“hotel rwanda”) rusesabagina linked in the april thread mentioned earlier
Posted by: b real | Mar 12 2008 4:49 utc | 20 and kenya may be heating up again, now that it’s no longer the center of attention. the army was deployed earlier this week to help the GSU battle militias in the west.
tuesday – UPDF deploys at Kenya border
also, there was an article in uganda’s new vision tuesday headlined “Government has no petrol reserves”. and a report wednesday on 1000 police officers being shuffled – Reliable sources confirmed that if, for example, a police officer comes from Coast province, then he or she has to work in another province, a move meant to de-ethnicise the force … officers Tuesday complained that the orders were not accompanied by their one-month allowance to allow them to travel to the new stations along with their families.
the ECK is at the center of the stolen election. i’d be surprised if there was damning evidence still around that was that easily accessible (but then i think of the raid on the unsecured file cabinets in the fbi office in reading that unravelled the cointelpros in the u.s.). Posted by: b real | Mar 12 2008 5:20 utc | 21 correction on minor point in #21 – that was the fbi’s resident agency in media, PA, of course Posted by: b real | Mar 12 2008 14:33 utc | 22 tim shorrock @ corpwatch: Carlyle Group May Buy Major CIA Contractor: Booz Allen Hamilton
Posted by: b real | Mar 12 2008 14:59 utc | 23 The assassinations, murders, and acts of terrorism, not to mention the rantings and incitements of the infiltrators in Kigali (see the interview with Mr. Nizeyimana for some examples), raised tensions between the political parties and the ethnic (or racial in the case of Rwandans) groups to the point where the president’s assassination was the last straw and triggered the genocide. After each political assassination leading up to April 6th, Tutsi were killed and a larger-scale genocide may have erupted but President Habyarimana was able to restore calm by speaking on Radio Rwanda each time. Without him around, and the Army Chief of Staff murdered in the plane as well, there was nobody to give orders or act as a voice of moderation to slow the enraged mobs. This was discussed at the RPF meeting of March 31 1994, where General Kagame and his high command decided to commit to the plan, as testified by Lt. Ruyenzi. The orders for preparation were given on April 1st, which is confirmed by radio intercepts by the FAR in evidence at the ICTR. After the shootdown, RPF infiltrators in the Interhamwe encouraged the mobs to kill. Segahutu testified at the ICTR last year that he saw people 100% known to be working for the RPF manning the roadblocks in Kigali. In the southwest, esp. Butare Prefecture, Burundian refugees began killing Tutsi in retaliation for the murder of 2 Hutu Burundian presidents in less than 8 months. They believed the RPA was responsible for both of the assassinations. All these things are mentioned simply to demonstrate that the reality was much more complicated than originally thought based on what we were all originally told, myself included. Be on the lookout for something special from me for this year’s April 6th anniversary. Posted by: DB | Mar 12 2008 21:37 utc | 24 Pentagon Report on Saddam’s Iraq Censored?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 13 2008 2:25 utc | 26 Pentagon Report on Saddam’s Iraq Censored?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 13 2008 2:51 utc | 27 I have got a cd coming. Or I just signed up for the camps…either way, they can kiss my arse… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 13 2008 3:00 utc | 28 Russia on US’s annual case study in hypocrisy, ie the Human Rights Report:
oh snap! Posted by: ran | Mar 13 2008 3:50 utc | 29 another day, another Iraqi child “liberated” from this mortal coil by cowardly, trigger-happy US military goons in Iraq. Posted by: ran | Mar 13 2008 4:12 utc | 30 a few from uganda
new vision: Another 600 servicemen hired for Iraq
i’ve posted previously on some of the complaints that these recruits make about the abusive treatment/low pay/etc that they undergo.
Posted by: b real | Mar 13 2008 4:30 utc | 31 Pentagon Cites Tapes Showing Interrogations
So how do you conduct an “interrogation” when the person has duct tape on his mouth? R.I.P. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 2:29 utc | 33 a couple items on AFRICOM
strengthening national armies –> strengthening militarism on the continent
Posted by: b real | Mar 14 2008 3:24 utc | 34 FBI Found to Misuse Security Letters
Courts? why do we need courts? All Barflies may wish to access these hearings sometime over the next 3 days. Winter Soldier Hearings – Soldiers Eyewitness Accounts of Iraq & Afghanistan continue tomorrow. You can watch Here. Or listen Here Posted by: jj | Mar 14 2008 8:07 utc | 36 Buffalo Bill Petreaus is at it again. Seeing that his wild west show is again threatening bankruptcy just before another round of foreclosure hearings, its blame the Iraqi’s time again. Posted by: anna missed | Mar 14 2008 8:59 utc | 37 Closed House Doors To Debate Surveillance Bill
Indeed, this is the House that we democrats elected into power. Y’all proud of this? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 9:34 utc | 38 Opps,
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 14 2008 9:47 utc | 39 Speaking of NSA, you’ve got to read this comment @end of Fitt’s piece linked above Jaw Dropper Posted by: jj | Mar 14 2008 9:53 utc | 40
From the comments: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 13:25 utc | 43 this is from irin, the u.n. news agency
duh… as i’ve been telling anyone who’ll listen, AFRICOM is a unified combatant command and soliders undergo rigorous training & indoctrination to break down their “humanitarian” side to become killers (not ‘warriors’) – expecting the military to act as a humanitarian agent was a very sick joke. AFRICOM is about controlling, exploiting & killing. beware of any continued efforts by state or professional NGO & human rights orgs to spin this imperialist experiment otherwise. Posted by: b real | Mar 14 2008 14:45 utc | 44 re my 27&28
A friend says, “The CD will be laced with Anthrax. Beware.” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 14:53 utc | 45 Pitting Race Against Gender Posted by: citizen | Mar 14 2008 16:32 utc | 46 Race OR gender? Why check on when you can check two boxes? Posted by: lg | Mar 14 2008 17:39 utc | 47 Race OR gender? Why check on when you can check two boxes? Posted by: lg | Mar 14 2008 17:39 utc | 48 @Uncle – 45 – unnecessary risk … The report is available at http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1.pdf jj is right, Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 19:44 utc | 50 Iraq: teachers told to rewrite history Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2008 21:03 utc | 51 lg, Posted by: citizen | Mar 14 2008 21:29 utc | 52 Seven Questions: The Russian Connection, Foreign Policy interview with Douglas Farah, author of The Merchant of Death, on Viktor Bout’s arrest. Posted by: Alamet | Mar 15 2008 0:13 utc | 53 David Mamet explains why – “I am right wing now,” proving that one can do human dialog and have no idea about social dialog. Posted by: citizen | Mar 15 2008 2:26 utc | 54 It would be my wish, if b would create a media only post for weekends on a continuous basis at the bar, where we could get together with fine spirits and share great media, art, poetry, and muzack! we have found. You know, entertainment night at da bar of MOA… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 15 2008 4:15 utc | 55 U$, Posted by: citizen | Mar 15 2008 4:35 utc | 56 in a hurry tonite, so here are my youtube contributions for tthe w/e – a couple of quickies Posted by: b real | Mar 15 2008 5:56 utc | 57 So the CIA continues with secret prisons and torture: C.I.A. Secretly Held Qaeda Suspect, Officials Say
Recent poll in Germany on prrference for U.S. president: based on that poll b, it is almost certain that McCain will be the next president of the US. Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 15 2008 16:09 utc | 62 an important article by fred fuentes on what is happening in venezuela Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 16 2008 2:25 utc | 63 How to Destroy a Country in Five Years Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 16 2008 3:12 utc | 64 Damn! Who is that? Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 16 2008 5:32 utc | 65 obvious example of propaganda from rwanda’s govt to discredit paul rusesabagina
while the movie was indeed fiction & pretty lousy even as pure entertainment, imo, what’s more interesting is that this new book appears to be yet another use of propaganda by kagame’s govt to discredit any opposition while maintaining the official narrative that has been so effectively disseminated over the years.
Posted by: b real | Mar 16 2008 6:16 utc | 67 mother scratcher! that final link for #67 is Hero of Hotel Rwanda Calls Kagame a War Criminal Posted by: b real | Mar 16 2008 6:21 utc | 68 in #24 above, DB wrote “see the interview with Mr. Nizeyimana for some examples” Posted by: b real | Mar 16 2008 6:50 utc | 69 two from uganda on viktor bout’s relations w/ that country
daily monitor: UPDF generals linked to ‘merchant of death’
Posted by: b real | Mar 16 2008 7:38 utc | 70 amnesty int’l: Former detainee reveals details of secret CIA program
Posted by: b real | Mar 16 2008 8:01 utc | 71 I know this may be of interest to many at MOA…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 16 2008 15:37 utc | 72 Interesting WTF!!!! Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 16 2008 19:43 utc | 73 Doh! opps…
Of course, none of the MSM seems to have picked this up… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 17 2008 5:44 utc | 74 R’giaps 63 reminded me of the following… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 17 2008 7:28 utc | 75 Ghaith Abdul-Ahad from Baghdad (with video you might want to see): Death, destruction and fear on the streets of cafes, poets and booksellers
Court case reveals how settlers illegally grab West Bank lands
tom engelhardt builds an entire essay on u.s. impunity for ‘the right to kill civilians’ around the missile attacks on somalia two weeks ago, which we diligently covered here
i never found any names in the coverage on shabelle media or garowe online
chris floyd recently wrote about the missile strikes on somalia as well – Silent Scream: Anguish Grows in the Terror War’s Forgotten Victim Posted by: b real | Mar 17 2008 15:29 utc | 78 Qwest CEO, Joseph Nacchio, the only telecom exec to refuse government requests for warrantless surveillance of phone customers, was Eliot Spitzer-ed by the feds and convicted in April 2007. But, Hullabaloo lets us know that the 10th Circuit reversed the guilty verdict and ordered a new trial with a new judge. Improper exclusion of expert testimony. Hullabaloo’s “dday” provides us with the essential analysis (excerpt)
Posted by: citizen | Mar 17 2008 19:36 utc | 79 Citizen, that’s interesting in light of the following which imo resonates with your #79 even though it’s hosted on a not so valid or trust worthy website. Don’t shoot the messenger either here or there, “take what you like and leave the rest” is an old saying, however, I say “take what you like and save the rest until more data comes in.” Put things under the category of high probability or low probability, but never dismiss things out of hand.
How’s that for buttockal penetration? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 17 2008 20:23 utc | 80 this goes w/ #’s 7 & 18 above, re the ICTR deal w/ the rwandan govt that allows suspects and/or convicted individuals to be handed over to the latter
Posted by: b real | Mar 18 2008 3:00 utc | 81 afp: US universities turn schools for spies and more
spying? us? of course not – we’re just gathering intelligence… Posted by: b real | Mar 18 2008 5:17 utc | 82 Jim Lobe has an excellent piece up at his blog: Is the Pentagon Policy Shop Funding Likudist Fronts?
Barack Obama may just have begun to lead the the coalition he was heading. I’ll take this fight.
Not this time. Posted by: citizen | Mar 18 2008 18:41 utc | 84 @citizen – yes, impressive – I wonder if it isn’t too interlectual – it’s a hell lot for one speach to a public that is used to eat soundbites. Sir Arthur C. Clarke has died at the age of 90. Posted by: jonku | Mar 18 2008 23:31 utc | 86 More like this please.
sweet. Posted by: ran | Mar 18 2008 23:48 utc | 87 on tuesday, condie rice formally declared one of the insurgent groups in somalia — al-shabaab, one of the islamist militant groups engaged in battle against the imposed/unpopular/unelected transitional federal govt (which is backed solely by foreign govts, primarily ethiopia & the united states) — “as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (as amended) and as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under Section 1(b) of Executive Order 13224 (as amended).”
meles zenawi & his cadres are likely laughing their asses off. now it’s al-shabaab who is destabilizing the HOA according to the official narrative. wtf? exactly who is responsible for destabilizing both somalia & the HOA.
oh, says the uninformed reader, so it’s the insurgency that is responsible for 6,500 deaths. the causal force is the resistance, but the “experts” aren’t positive who is leading it. hmmm…
it makes it easy to target the group since just the mention of the loaded term jihad alone is enough to scare western reactionaries & score propaganda points. so here comes the united states to the rescue. like james swan, from the african affairs dept, told VOA today,
give us a break, the u.s. govt doesn’t give fig about somali people. look at the harm & tragic suffering they’ve put them through again & again. look at the war crimes that have been permitted. what the u.s. wants, by labeling the insurgency as terrorists, is to remove support for the insurgency in order to force their own ideas of reconciliation onto somalia.
will anyone ever be held accountable? besides those in the insurgency, that is. Posted by: b real | Mar 19 2008 5:38 utc | 88 Not sure where to file this, so I’ll toss it in an open thread.
Honestly not sure if this is a positive or negative development. Knowing Italy, the sudden greenlight to go ahead with the trial, along with the nebulous “it will not cause any harm to the defense” line, could possibly mean that the proper payola has changed hands and an “acceptable” verdict has already been assured. Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 19 2008 14:54 utc | 89 shabelle media: Former Somali president accuses the US of involving Somali crisis
he also didn’t get coverage in the western media from said news conference Posted by: b real | Mar 21 2008 4:50 utc | 90 The US is in the nearly impossible position of forging a cross-factional central government with state-wide appeal in Somalia, have ample representation for all clans and sub-clans, appeal to the two largest clans and yet still have a central Government friendly to Ethiopia. Posted by: DB | Mar 21 2008 16:59 utc | 91 much has been made of the thug/writer david mamet’s conversion to the right. his adoration of the neocons & his hatred of humanism Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 21:03 utc | 92 & as an aside – debased as german culture became under the nazis – even they were incapable of the celebration & brutality of state power (‘cops’, for example) – that are the stock in trade of a certain type of american culture thanks to rupert murdoch Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 22:40 utc | 93 all power to the people – a film by lee lew lee – in 6 parts Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 23:57 utc | 96 I cannot help myself: Posted by: citizen | Mar 22 2008 0:02 utc | 97 when you work in the fields of culture – the harvest is always a long time comin’. i was very lucky as a young man to be aware of my bothers & sisters amongs the painters & sculptors – for they called themselves young right up until 60 – & in that time were not expected to offer something representing an oeuvre up until that moment Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 22 2008 17:47 utc | 99 & it is this link with creation which makes me utterly oppossed to u s imperialism. & to the imperial exercises of china, too. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 23 2008 1:39 utc | 100 |
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