Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 19, 2008
Five Years in Iraq – A war? An Occupation?

by Tangerine
lifted from a comment
(and slightly editied)

It is understandable but disquieting that calling the Iraq debacle a war, seems somehow to make it (partially) acceptable to the US people. Of
course they have been snowed over with the stereotype – an enemy,
national defense, islamo-fascisms, cells and secret armies, und so
weiter, to make it fit legendary history.

Note that Obama uses the word
as well.

However, nobody is using the word peace which
usually means the cessation or absence of war. This in contrast to the
Israelis, who use and abuse that concept. I suppose that reflects the
fact that Israel has managed to convince or show that is has enemies
and that it is attacked.

In contrast everyone implicitly agrees that the US
is not in that position, either because Iraqis are seen as helpless, or
because the very idea of the US being attacked seriously in any way is
an unacceptable concept. The ‘attack on America’ of 9/11 had some echo
and effects, but was never taken seriously, in that no cause or agents
beyond nebulous ‘islamic terror’ were ever identified. La-la-land in
defense terms, which at the very least requires the enemy to be
identified.

Opponents call the Iraq venture an occupation. Presidential
candidates don’t use that dirty word, but act as if it was apt.

Hillary
would withdraw troops she says (Bush did too, etc.) and presumably soften
or minimize the guns/goons aspect, replacing them with Iraqi arms and
other more robust structures of government and economic control, international
involvement (see Afghanistan for example) etc. A question of method of
managing an occupation, smoothing it over, making it politically
correct, etc. (Fat hope.)

McCain prefers the discourse of what power of
ten years (I have forgotten) the war shall continue. He prefers to call a spade a
machine gun. No doubt Rep-Dem discourse-required differences play a role.
(Gritty realism is doomed to failure both on the ground and politically.)

Yet, the term occupation doesn’t really fit either.

What is the US occupying?

The ground?
No. The infrastructure, a viable, working territory: destroyed. It is one thing to have lily pads in Germany or Kosova,
another to hold postage stamps in a devastated desert and ‘badlands’.

The economic apparatus?
No. No ‘viable’ modern capitalist
economy can exist lacking the material infrastructure (eg. some roads,
water, electricity) without some agreed-on law and order, such as
contract law, reasonable courts, and even dull stuff like traffic laws.
Import-export, to mention only the obvious, has to be smooth: and for
that, the ‘country’ has to have some kind of status and stability.
Guam, Porto Rico, Afghanistan, aren’t US states, don’t suffer in the
same way (to mention very diverse examples.) Vichy France is a counter
example. Iraq has no status.

Hearts and minds? Opinion? Cyber space? Teen aspirations?
Cultural kinks, core values?

No. For the US, the only only aim of
capting these is to control other aspects, and clumsy propaganda
efforts are tireless but passing strange and self defeating. (See link below.)

Extractive or ‘productive’ ground based business? Such as
agriculture, mining, land manipulations (eg. dams) energy (fossil
fuels), sustainable, so called, such as wind, dates, fish farms etc?

No – (see above, which is the easy part.) So that shoe doesn’t fit
either.

So what is it?


link:
DoD Strategic Communication Plan for Afghanistan (pdf, slow to load properly but worth a read)
via MountainRunner (On public diplomacy and strategic communications in the 21st century)

Comments

sorry, i’ve not been so well – these last few days – but the question can be answered definitively
the invasion of iraq was & remains a disaster
a disaster of such proportions – that it will reconfigure the world we are living in. it is clearly the beginning of the end of empire as 60 or more years ago for britain. that would have happened on its own accord bu the illegal & immoral invasion & occupation of iraq will exacerbate that collapse
the middle east has been transformed into a slaughterhouse from gaza to islamabad- today it seems irretrievably so & that far from being tempered that it will escalate to a degree even the most pessimistic of us cannot imagine & what it destroys day by day is any nationalist, secular or humanist policies within the elites of the middle & extreme east; on the contrary there is a return to absolutism – amongst the populations, amongst the masses that does recall medieval times
the west has reintroduced barbarism & all its appareils whether it is massacres, collective punishment, the bombardement of cities, towns & villages, torture & extrajudicial killing
its barbarism has meant – that even the most basic services do not exist – water, housing, education – electricity, medical care etc etc are not only not provided for but have been degraded into complete devastation. that barbarism has meant tho wholesale murder of intellectuals, teachers, doctors & the complete destructions of the institutions of culture – some that have been there since the birth of time
that the mass murderers can have the front to speak of these five years in terms of celebrations & of anniversaires in the media of the elites – is a testimony to how far they have fallen
to how far we have fallen

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 19 2008 21:14 utc | 1

This, I believe, is the most insane document I’ve ever read–anywhere, anytime, in any field whatsoever. It makes astrology look like a hard science, if you will.

Posted by: alabama | Mar 19 2008 21:14 utc | 2

alabama
perhaps the document represents a new field – ‘milmet’ – military metaphysics

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 19 2008 22:17 utc | 3

It’s all for contracts and chaos,
moolah and misery.

Posted by: plushtown | Mar 19 2008 23:16 utc | 4

To answer your question Tangerine, I believe one must try to think like a member of this insane cabal of dangerous extremists who’ve seized control of the government, because if you think like them then maybe you’ll see that the goal of the Iraq war actually was to create chaos in the Middle East, thus justifying the blatant theft of America’s wealth. Also, having a chance to create corporate mercenaries to be used domestically for when our i-Pods break and the cable goes out was a welcome side-effect.
Then, if you want to throw a little demented religiosity into the cauldron, you might see why hell on earth feeds into the violent blood-lust of crusaders and zionists (does Islam yearn for Apocalypse?) in which case the horrific murdering of innocent human beings might just help validate a terribly skewed world view.
Anyway, the only reason Americans are being hassled with remembering there’s still a “war” in Iraq (Afghanistan?) is because of an anniversary, an arbitrary body count, and an election year in which the loud charade of “deciding” is playing out for our belittled amusement.
Hey Hoo-Raw
Hey Hoo-Raw
Go O Go A Merry
Ka!

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 19 2008 23:31 utc | 5

Oops.
Sloppy with my tags.

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 19 2008 23:32 utc | 6

Be well r’giap.

Posted by: beq | Mar 19 2008 23:37 utc | 7

“The goal of the Iraq war actually was to create chaos in the Middle East, thus justifying the blatant theft of America’s wealth. Also, having a chance to create corporate mercenaries to be used domestically for when our i-Pods break and the cable goes out was a welcome side-effect.”
Lizard hits the bullseye so hard.

Posted by: Cloud | Mar 20 2008 0:23 utc | 8

Both Lizard and plushtown has it about right, “Ordo Ab Chao”, meanwhile the main $uck media rides it’s five year old tritecycle with training wheels on, and everybody follows along because, well because who has time to sift through the lies and disinfo and billion $$propagenda besides us echo chamber political junkies?
Which reminds me has anyone else noticed the trend of late is to section off online info, e.g., (mobile truths*) verse print media? Yet another form of divide and conquer. Methodically creating a stratified collective knowledge base. Same Ole’ divide and conquer game. Because it works.
*Literally mobile truths, because A) you can edit (read change) a story in near real-time, and B) hide articles, control the message, muddy the research, post/unpost unfavorable documents, release unfavorable documents that you have to
ask for only and register for on an ever narrowing harbor of of the beaten path blogs, (btw got my cd today) via the shell game method and archives, i.e., pay walls, obfuscating archives, ‘key word highjacking’, meme weaving, myth baking, and issue framing, among other ways. Creating further cognitive dissonance between us cyber citizens vs the T.V. tabloid sound-bite evening news citizens. And the “what” doesn’t matter as long as there is collective cognitive dissonance, because nobody can see the ‘corporate colonialism’ because the landscape keeps shifting.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2008 0:25 utc | 9

Be well r’giap… go easy comrade.
I highly recommend the Scott Ritter article I posted in the other Iraqi thread, if you haven’t read it yet. It may well be the ‘what’ Tangerine is looking for…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2008 0:43 utc | 10

re Uncle $cam, #9, #9, “landscape keeps shifting”, yes. But what is semi-permanently recorded is everything we do here, and elsewhere all of our e-mails, durations, #’s called and
locations of our phone calls. (but I figure all bright are marked anyway)
This is why after the coasts go I suspect the tippy-top will keep the internet, cell phones (tumors are gravy), pleasures and distractions all around.

Posted by: plushtown | Mar 20 2008 0:49 utc | 11

The Occupation of Iraq by US forces creates and maintains the sectarian fragmentation, in keeping with the neocon’s policy goals. Their Mission Accomplished is defined as endless political instability.
The plan calls for Iraq to remain forever fragmented, and for its religious/ethnic factions to be separated by region, or grouped on the opposite sides of walls, where they must stand always on guard against one another, with their guns cocked.
The Occupation is insurance against the day when Iraq can become a nation; and the Occupation is meant to continuously forestall that day.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 20 2008 5:01 utc | 12

r’giap, you shouldn’t even be here right now!! you should be out in your garden
in loose linen pants and an old floppy hat, planting sweet peas and onion bulbs.
you should be lying face down in some tropical azure blue lagoon, rhythmically
swimming in lazy circles, breathing shangri la’s salt and coconut scented aether.
you should be eating camembert and croissants on the sun-struck deck of a wooden
barge being nudged through the locks between auxerre and lezinnes, sans schuhe.
faged abahd et! it’s pure drivel! full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
no duality, brah! no duality!@

Posted by: Peris Troika | Mar 20 2008 5:36 utc | 13

Against the will of the people, under initial false premise, and with ongoing obfuscation, outright grinning lies and pinheaded arrogant anger, to take a stabilizing dictator from power, letting loose tribal war on multiple fronts, usurping the role of security using terror as method, propping up a semi-representative government, lobbying it for oil contracts and establishing facilities for the long term continuance of all dat, borrowing endless US public dollars for bribes and mostly unfulfilled infrastructure and security contracts, all the while enacting shit policy in all areas of governance, making gulags, temporarily lulling the opposing political party to sleep with corrupt dreams and holding the ensuing collapse of the US economy over the heads of all who would rectify the situation is..
Economic colonialism, via fascism. If you need one word, it is the latter.
I think calling it the occupation just serves to reinforce the worst fears of the Iraqi people, which is of course what is desired, because it is intended to be exactly the same, unending occupation and economic and actual colonialism. The word doesn’t describe events in israel-palestine either.
🙂

Posted by: bellgong | Mar 20 2008 7:55 utc | 14

Here’s the Fisk lament – the only lessen we never learn is we never learn, and how the endless cascade of lies never abate and remain still the foundation prop for endless occupation and general fruitless meddling in the Middle East. Not only God knows how weary we are with the also endless deconstruction of the mad hollow rhetoric used to justify this insanity. To no avail it would seem, as it continues regardless, in a kind of purgatory of factual evidence rendered useless or irelavent in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The only human behavior that equates to such impotence in the face of contrary factual evidence is addiction. Only in addiction is the will so totally subordinated by enhanced desire and blanket denial. Tonight on the news hour was a 5 anniversary of the war citizen forum that was positivley surrealistic in the across the board misinformed, half baked, and generally clueless assumptions made by the participants. While its to be expected that many (most) of the participants would offer up their own personalized vomit of digested propaganda (and they did), what struck me though, was the uniform unsolicitated opinion that “we” Americans are the rightful policemen of the world – and that what we want for Iraq is all goodness, and all our sacrifice is testament to that goodness. And that is what we are doing in Iraq, laboriously and with great sacrifice is trying to bring them a taste of what we so cherish and hold dear. Or in other words, we’re trying to get them hooked on (like any good coke whore) what we’re hooked on, because our vice of choice is exceptionalism. We’re addicted to exceptionalism, it makes the facts disappear, the criticism disappear, and eventually, if no one stops it, will make the world disappear.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 20 2008 9:55 utc | 15

re my #9
for clarification in case my #9 wasn’t understood, in particularly, my ‘mobile truths’, link is not clear upon first visit. CNN originally did a hit piece on Obama, but removed it seven minutes later, fortunately someone got a screen capture of it.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2008 12:08 utc | 16

What is the US occupying?
the function of ‘the occupation’, is not to occupy, it is to consume. it surrounds it’s prey as a snake moves, continually disguising intention as it circles its prey. it surrounds an strangles.

Posted by: annie | Mar 20 2008 14:03 utc | 17

Wow! right on, annie! Good to hear from ya btw…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2008 14:09 utc | 18

thanks uncle, my voice been stiffled by the overwhelmingness of it all. speaking of strangling and consumption badger once again offers an excellent post.
So neither in Cheney’s visit, nor in the conference, was there any sign of reconciliation between the two sides, instead there was a hardening.
everyone understands what is going on, but as a snake slithers seemingly invisibly movement (reconciliation!) the hardening and strangulation is unavoidably obvious.
“Iraqi politicians from a number of different blocs expressed their disgust over the pressure exercised [by Cheney] to speed up passage of stalled laws. Mahmoud Othman, the Kurdish leader said that kind of pressure only adds to the difficulty of passage, rather than facilitating it”.

Posted by: annie | Mar 20 2008 14:18 utc | 19

As the economic collapse worsens, you’ll be allowed to talk about anything except why it happened. So far nobody important has blurted out the big secret except Spitzer, and he learned his lesson – all the dirt in the government surveillance databases came splatting down on his head. Spitzer’s transgression was to remind us that Bush
stopped the states from policing mortgage fraud. His paymasters were making money hand over fist that way, so it had to go on. That let the problem compound till catastrophe ensued. It’s the GOP’s darkest, most obvious secret.

Posted by: dolly | Mar 20 2008 14:45 utc | 20

Wow! Annie!
You Go, r’giap!
Tangerine!
What an exhilarating place to come and read!

Posted by: jake | Mar 20 2008 15:33 utc | 21

@Uncle $cam – 10 – the Scott Ritter “report”.
I agree that people should go to jail over this. Starting with Scott Ritter.
As he confessed in that piece, he broke his contract obligations as a UN weapon inspector and peddled false information to the most right wing in congress to put pressure on UNSCOM, Iraq and Clinton, who then proptly send cruise missile onto Iraq.
Then, five years after the current war on Iraq was launched, he comes up with this story that might have been helpful to stop that war in 2002.
Scott Ritter should be jailed. For a looong time.

Posted by: b | Mar 20 2008 15:45 utc | 22

secrecynews: DoD Report on Captured Iraqi Documents

A Defense Department-sponsored report that examined captured Iraqi documents for indications of links between Saddam Hussein and terrorist organizations is now available online.
The five-volume report affirmed that there was “no ’smoking gun’ (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam’s Iraq and al Qaeda.” But it also said there was “strong evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism.”
Although the report was publicly released on March 13, the Department of Defense declined to publish it online, offering instead to provide copies on disk. The full five-volume study has now been posted on the Federation of American Scientists web site. See “Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents,” Institute for Defense Analyses, November 2007, redacted and released March 2008.
The study was first reported prior to release by Warren P. Strobel of McClatchy Newspapers. The first of the five volumes was previously posted on the ABC News web site. The latter volumes include hundreds of pages of captured Iraqi documents, declassified and translated into English.

The Iraqi documents themselves are an eclectic, uneven bunch.
One of them, a fifty-page Iraqi “intelligence” analysis, disparages the austerely conservative Wahhabi school of Islam by claiming that its eighteenth century founder, Ibn ‘Abd al Wahhab, had ancestors who were Jews.
In what must be the only laugh-out-loud line in the generally dismal five-volume report, the Iraqi analysis states that Ibn ‘Abd al Wahhab’s grandfather’s true name was not “Sulayman” but “Shulman.”
“Tawran confirms that Sulayman, the grandfather of the sheikh, is (Shulman); he is Jew from the merchants of the city of Burstah in Turkey, he had left it and settled in Damascus, grew his beard, and wore the Muslim turban, but was thrown out for being voodoo” (at page 20 of 56).
The analysis, produced by the Air Defense Security System of Iraq’s General Military Intelligence Directorate, is not a very reliable guide to Islamic or Jewish history, though it may explain something about Iraq’s air defenses.

Posted by: b real | Mar 20 2008 17:13 utc | 23

Yes along with a couple thousand others. Likely?
In Ritter’s piece I couldn’t help but be impressed that the tone of ALL these meetings is POWER to the exclusion of all else. For example, Chalabi’s single focus is to get control of the oil. Does he really want the oil? No, it is the power of controlling it.

Posted by: rapt | Mar 20 2008 17:28 utc | 24

@23 – But it also said there was “strong evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism.”
That “evidence” was the much publizised (by Saddam) $1000 gift Iraq gave to each family of Palestinians that used suicid as a weapon in the Intifadas.
Given that Israel as regular policy blew up or bulldozed the homes of such families, that was a very small compensation.

Posted by: b | Mar 20 2008 18:48 utc | 25

Bernhard,
You are right about Ritter. He waits till now to blurt all this out. Like you, I sure wish he had come out with this sooner. This disclosure also could have been helpful during the 2004 election season.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 20 2008 22:11 utc | 26

But perhaps Ritter should be shown some mercy, too. It seems he stumbled into this nexus of evil. I have admired his writing over the years; and his reporting and exposure of things hidden has, I guess, been his means of trying to atone and extricate himself from the web of all this. Wasn’t it Sartre who described evil as being like glue that sticks to a person? Ritter may have seen it like that in the course of shaking hands with Chalabi.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 20 2008 22:35 utc | 27

copeland
i’ve a great ambivalence towards ritter – despite his efforts in the last three years. he comes from that part of the weapons inspector like the australian buffoon richard butler who i often felt was just a butch version of dame edna – who behaved in the most ignomonious way. for all the weaknesses of blix before the cheney bush junta – there was at least the hint of some kind of jurisprudence
with ritter butler et el – they behaved like thugs
& now they behave likepentiti a little like the mafiosi tomas buscetta

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 20 2008 22:43 utc | 28

that was me, evidently

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 20 2008 22:46 utc | 29

Uncle $cam:
for clarification in case my #9 wasn’t understood, in particularly, my ‘mobile truths’, link is not clear upon first visit. CNN originally did a hit piece on Obama, but removed it seven minutes later, fortunately someone got a screen capture of it.
This is why I posted the Howard Dean example when jj was bashing Obama. Already the latest polls are turning in Hillory Clinton’s favor. Even if he manages to win the popular vote there is the super delagate hurdle not to mention the Florida Michigan revote pending.
The American media is a powerful tool with huge influence over public perception. Both sides claim to understand the “liberal” or “conservative” bias but in the end it works. How else can you explain the public clearing store shelves accross the country of duct tape and plastic because the government asked them to suffocate themselves in the run up to the Iraq war. Common sense would tell any sensient human being that sealing oneself off inside plastic would deprive them of oxygen.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 21 2008 0:03 utc | 30

just watched that film anthology –‘leading to war’ & ‘no end in sight’ & i think there can be no question to where all the architects( & i mean every single one) of the illegal invasion & occupation of iraq, belong
they belong in the dock.
as kaltenbrunner & keitel – faced that jurisprudential forum for their crimes – there is no doubt, no doubt in my mind at all that the architects of the illegal invasion & occupation of iraq – belong in the same dock
& if justice really existed they would meet the same ends. they would be hung in some squalid building – with their feces in their pants as the only testimony of their being
it is no wonder we go a little mad here from time to time – we have been faced with wall to wall lies & an application of those lies that supercede anything propaganda has done hitherto. goebbels & vyshinsky were amateurs – compared to the cretins crawling around washington or the putrid policy planners carving their intitials in the desks at the pentagon
i’m sure other administrations have lied their way through work but this crew made it into a living practice. i don’t think there is a single day since cheney has been in power that a number of these numbskulls have not repeatedly told public lies that have had a histroic resonance san parallel
those lies have led in the first instance to at least a million deaths. the exiling & deplacement of another 4 million. the absence of even the most basic services for an entire population
the worst of it being that their present is bathed in blood but their future – in whatever way you look at it – is going to be very bloody indeed
& when we see that doddering old clown mccain with his gonnoreah ridden golem leibermann wanting to get their rocks off to more war – we know that it is prudent to think only of the dark – when we consider not only the future of iraq – but also our own future
one little thing in watching this & reflecting on the interview with cheney that b.real posted of cheney – is the way all the architects – follow all the archetypes described in wilhelm reichs monumental studies of psychpathologies. they sneer openly at us – their barely concealed contempt for us & for facts.
the ethical endgame of the eroticisation of the lie
these people are monsters
they belong in cells
they belong in cages
wolfowitz oought to be led on the leash by lindy whateverherfuckingname is on the streets of baghdad
somebody ought to uncloth all these architects in the white house & make them form human pyramids
dick cheney ought to be forced to walk washingotn naked with womans underpants on his head & covered in his own shit
richard perle ought to be banging his head again & again against a cell door until the corridor is awash with bloood
those fucking policy planners, & advisers, & helpful ‘scholars’ – ought to be hooded & handcuffed & held by bloods & the crips for ransom
the professsional classes who supported this evil war should live the sudden & permanant dissapearance of their confreres as the professionals of iraq have had to do since this immoral war began
& that coward powell should be forever reminded of his shame

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 0:55 utc | 31

That “evidence” was the much publizised (by Saddam) $1000 gift Iraq gave to each family of Palestinians that used suicid as a weapon in the Intifadas.
Israeli propaganda. Saddam gave money to a “widows & orphans” fund, which included widows and orphans of suicide bombers as well as those whose husbands got ran over by a bus or died of cancer. The fund did not discriminate as to the cause of death but merely tried to help all Palestinian widows and orphans. Israel is determined that Palestinians do not get any outside help, even by charity.

Posted by: Ensley | Mar 21 2008 1:47 utc | 32

the disbarment from the washington bar today of ‘scooter’ libby does not seem to me sufficient punishment

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 2:11 utc | 33

& our shame, a shame that belongs to us all – is that nearly all the architects were known to us as monsters
& for some time
their bloody hands had wreaked havoc in south east asia
& the worst of them continued with their bloodthirst in central & latin america
that even that joke of jurisprudence in those united states understoood them as criminals in the iran contra criminal conspiracy allowed the same people, the same interests, the same elite to create yet another bloodbath
& of the bloodbaths to come we oinly have to read the vanity fair article that b suggested on what happened with the cia stooge dahlan in the palestinian authority to understand what deeds are to come
it is our shame because we knew they were monsters
to quote mr zimmerman ; “what is the price for going through this movie, twice”

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 3:10 utc | 34

& tho one of the less pliant generals sd that douglas feith was the “dumbest motherfucker that ever lived” – when you review all this carnage – it is stunning how fucking stupid the petit viceconsul bremer was/is – & he’d get my prize for the dumbest motherfucker that ever lived
& i hope one day he gets the hell he deserves

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 21 2008 3:32 utc | 35

r’giap#31,
made my day

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 21 2008 6:31 utc | 36

Tell The Truth

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 21 2008 7:43 utc | 37

thx, to all.
Corporate take-over on a world scale…. With guns, bombs, shock ‘n awe.
Just like many corps, the suicidal aspect is quite evident.

Posted by: Tangerine | Mar 22 2008 18:10 utc | 38