Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 2, 2008
The Problem is Beyond Cheap Oil

Bea points to Michael Klare’s piece on How oil burst the American bubble.

His argument:

  • The late 1990 stock bubble riches led to an increase in suburban/exurban housing and SUV usage. Both depended on cheap oil. They increased energy usage while the domestic oil production share declined.
  • This and the devaluation of the U.S. dollar dramatically increased the price of oil and deteriorated the U.S. balance sheet. (In 1998, the United States paid some $45 billion to import oil; in 2007 it payed $400+ billion.)
  • The commodity inflation obliged the Fed to increase interest rates.
  • The rate increase popped the mortgage bubble while higher oil prices dimished domestic car production.
    As the U.S. now slips into recession foreign sovereign-wealth funds are taking over US banks and industries.
  • In all, the process transfered wealth and global influence away from the U.S. and towards second tier and resource countries.

Klare is right in that economic processes don’t "just happen". They are consequences of certain lifestyle decisions and the underlying philosophies.

From 1995 onward I watched the sprawl taking place in the counties west of Washington DC. People had well paying jobs there. But they drove too far – in too big cars – from too big houses – to work at overvalued companies. Worse – the cars were low quality, the houses simple plywood construction, the infrastructure congested and the companies led by mediocre managers. It was all shortterm quantity and not longterm quality.

That view is of course exaggerated. The DC area and Silicon Valley are extremes and other places were less infected.

Still Klare’s argument makes sense. A certain lifestyle demand led to higher energy consumption which led to the developing breakdown. But he cuts a bit short on other factors. The role of the Greenspan Fed in creating the double bubble needs to be included in the analysis. The effects of the war on Iraq on oil production and the general U.S. balance sheet is another understated cause.

Like the lifestyle both were willful policy decisions supported by the U.S. public. They are expressions of a certain philosophy.

There is also one serious error in Klare’s essay when he writes:

Only a dramatic last-minute decision by the Federal Reserve to reduce overnight lending rates by three-quarters of a point before the markets opened on January 22 averted a further, potentially catastrophic slide in stock prices.

As Roubini points out:

[T]hat day the market told the Fed (with a 3.5% stock market drop following the rate cut): your 75bps cut means practically nothing to us and unless the credit problems of the economy are resolved. And the 5% rally was indeed triggered by news that maybe the monoline [bond insurers’] downgrade could be avoided.

The problems have moved far beyond oil imports. Fed interest rate cuts are no longer a way to handle them. The big issues now are credit and insolvency. Said differently – trustfulness in the U.S. model – and a financial crisis developing from the lack of it.

The long ignored bills for the overconsumption of the past decade demand to be payed. That need will require a different predominant lifestyle. But the changes will have to go beyond lifestyle and energy consumption pattern.

The underlying prevailent philosophy of "bigger equals better no matter what" is fundamentally wrong.

We don’t know if the developing economic shock will yet be hard enough to change it.

Comments

I found Klare’s thesis dubious on several counts. He wrote:

The great economic mega-bubble arose in the late 1990s, when oil was cheap, times were good, and millions of middle-class families aspired to realize the “American dream” by buying a three (or more) bedroom house on a decent piece of property

As I understand it, the credit bubble began in the aftermath of 9/11, when the Fed flooded the US economy with cheap money, and millions of middle-class families bought second and third homes for rental income, second and third “pre-construction” condos to flip them, etc.
More importantly, war risk and rising Pentagon oil consumption lifted the price of imported oil.
US domestic oil production declined for reasons that are seldom examined: absolute decline of old played-out fields, dumbing down of US oil company exploration and production, political blockade of new domestic exploration in California, Alaska, Florida, etc, superannuation of domestic oilfield rigs and rig operators, and most importantly the rise of production sharing strategies with overseas National Oil Companies (NOCs) to exploit easily produced resources on the cheap.
This last was particularly stupid. Hundreds of billions of capital have been squandered in Venezuela, Russia, Kuwait, and Nigeria. Cheney’s secret energy commission in 2000 projected that 25% of future imports had to come from Iraq, hence the gamble of conquest, plus additional military oil requirement, plus higher risk of wider Persian Gulf conflict were the cascading triggers that lifted oil prices to $100.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Feb 2 2008 14:46 utc | 1

As I understand it, the credit bubble began in the aftermath of 9/11, when the Fed flooded the US economy with cheap money,…
Hmm – no – extreme money supply growth (“cheap money”) started in 1995. See the chart of M3, a measurement of money in the economy, here.
That growth of money supply first initiated the stock bubble. The sprawl and huge build up I witnessed around DC and in Silicon Valey started back then. It might have spread to other places only after 2000/2001, but in general the process started 1995 and was well underway in 2000/2001.
… and millions of middle-class families bought second and third homes for rental income, second and third “pre-construction” condos to flip them, etc.
No again – that was only the last phase of the frenzy in the last two years. The base for the bubble was layed much earlier.
From the official homeownership statistics:

1990 1991 1992 1993 1993\r 1994 1995
64.0 63.8 63.9 63.9 64.1 64.1 64.5
1996 1997 1998 1999 2000
65.4 65.7 66.3 66.8 67.4
2001 2002 2002\r 2003 2004
67.8 67.9 67.9 68.3 69.0

Up to 1995 the homeownership rate in the U.S. for decades was stable between 63-64%. It exploded in/after 1995. There was obviously a structural change.
Inflation adjusted crude oil prices dropped from $30/bbl in 1996 to $10/bbl in 1998. That helped to further the process of suburb sprawl but unlike Klare argues, it likely did not launch it.
Klare is on to something, but he sees oil as the major factor while I think that it is only one factor and money supply is another one. Maybe there are more.
What happened in 1995 that made Greenspan increase the money supply? Who was behind that policy decision? What was Clinton’s role in this?
What was the political philosophy behind this and why/how did it get support?

Posted by: b | Feb 2 2008 15:37 utc | 2

This same script played out in the Vietnam era, the difference now is the massive amount of personal and government debt. This current bubble did start in about 1993 after Nafta was passed. If you go back to 1993 and read Foreign Affairs, Fred Bergston wrote an article stating that the consensus was to take the brakes off the money supply to ease the Nafta transition because they knew full well the agreement would drive down wages. The fed dropped the phillips curve (targeting unemployment) and went to wage inflation as a judge for inflation. Thus, only wages at the top grew during Clinton, just as in the 1980s under Reagan only a different target was used, like now. Cheap foriegn labor keeps wages down, thus inflation down, allowing the fed to pump liquidity into the market. From Volcker on they targeted unemployment keeping it high to kill wage increases, thus the phillips curve. Wages peeked in the 1973 in the US.
Back to the current situation. The US hit peak oil production in the late 1960s. The Vietnam war was using up oil from US production and Nixon knew we had to start importing more. In 1971 he took us off Britton Woods with no sure way to stabilize the dollar. This cause a massive devaluation. Sounds like the current situation? The Saudis didn’t want to get paid in cheaper dollars and a cap had been set in the oil market because oil was traded in dollars and Texas crude set the price. Thus, the oil embargo. The US government blamed it on the Middle East conflict which deflected attention from Nixons action. This in turn pissed off the David Rockefellers of the world not having a dollar stabilization mechanism. Thus, after water gate, the elites threw Nixon under the bus. Dollars were sloshing around all over because of the war, high wages at the big three, etc. It was decided and Ford wrapped up Vietnam. In the meantime Rockefeller started the Trilats (1973) to coordinate action between Europe, East Asia and the US. Carter became the first Trilat Prez and he put Volcker in place to kill inflation. 18% interest dryed up the money and the wage suppression started (the phillips curve became popular with supply siders).
Now, you have some of the same circumstances happening in US. A war. Oil price inflation. Easy money policy. And inflation creeping up. The difference is, we no longer make anything and cannot create value added wealth to get us out of it. And the assets we have depended to create wealth, the stock market, knowledge based goods and housing are falling. The elites have replace playing in the stock market with playing through Hedge Funds, private equity etc. The knowledge based economy is following the manufacturing. And housing is always cyclical, especially this one due to sub prime. Our economy is down to 18% of our work force in manufacturing. 20% of our economy is now finance (playing with money). Any stimulus package is going to buy goods from China, thus they will loan us the stimulus money and get it back ASAP. (We need infrastructure and college training through the stimulus) Yes, houses and suvs are some of the problem, but the biggest problem is elite leadership, globalization and the so called free market (deregulation) without thought of ramifications. GATT and Nafta are causing massive macroeconomic structural displacement of populations in Mexico, China and other underdeveloped countries. But to keep the system going, the US (This is David Rockefellers vision)must continue to pump money into the worldwide system in order to fulfill elite dreams of one world.
Now back to cheap oil. It cost less that four dollars to pump a barrel of Saudi oil. Bakersfield oil is being pumped for $18 and Canadian Oil Sands are being produced for under twenty, some say as low as $11. There is deep oil being found all over the world. Vietnam, off the African coast, the US gulf coast, Russia etc. But the US wants the world easy oil. Thus the Iraq war. Well I’ve went on long enough. Have at it.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 2 2008 15:49 utc | 3

The underlying prevailent philosophy of “bigger equals better no matter what” is fundamentally wrong.
We don’t know if the developing economic shock will yet be hard enough to change it.

Nice. Hopefully (for the earth’s and my descendants’ sake) the “hard enough” shock will be soon — for the longer it’s put off the more suffering there will be when it does come.

Posted by: Cloud | Feb 2 2008 16:46 utc | 4

@jdp – makes much sense to me – I’ll look further into that concept and those roots.
@cloud – for the longer it’s put off the more suffering there will be when it does come.
Yep – but see what Bernanke does. He tries to feed another bubble (if it works at all it will likely be in commodities). It may help for a short while, but the bust will be huge too.

Posted by: b | Feb 2 2008 17:06 utc | 5

Maps, my thing in a way. Sprawl City has some good ones, also articles etc. Radical cartography has US city maps + income, 25 metro areas, to test the ‘donut hypothesis’ link.
This map of US lawns is fascinating. “The scientists who produced the map estimate that more surface area is devoted to lawns than to any other single irrigated crop in the country.” link.
For a bit o’ history, animated map of US county formation from 1643. link. For the more literal minded, recent pop US density (from 1940, not animated), see social explorer. Basta!
The general point of lifestyle choices (call it colonizing, developing, energy exploitation, sprawl, war, etc.) is valid but desperatly vague – sayin’ that all is related is generally seductive – but how they are so exactly is impossible to lay out, often not germane or applicable.
I very much doubt that Klare’s points are key. Arguing that rests on presumed or hypothesized ties between finance and the ‘productive’ economy, which I, optimistically, see as low.
Finance is supposed to bring in e.g. 15% growth or profit (it doesn’t ..that is another topic) while real productive growth is nil or less, in the low 1-2’s or hyped temporarily (eg. China.) Finance is itself a huge bubble, regulated by a myriad of complex relations, rules, arbitrary conventions, etc.
The USuk hit physical limits and thru the force of arms and domineering control created a new domain for ‘growth’. The US has always been very adroit at that, cultural hegemony, because of its surplus in the past – land, immigrants to work it, next, oil, energy. It then invested in manipulation of a symbolic medium (money) and has pursued that path, at great cost, not a piece of cake, investing in arms, neo-colonialist moves, half nelson diplomacy, blackmail and bribery, shows of military force, killing (targeted or genocidal) to maintain control.
New limits, thresholds, tipping points, have appeared – as the financial has come down again to the physical, territorial, geographical and geological, societal, the on-the-ground. E.g. Iraq occupation, its crippling cost combined with lack of successful financial/energy/’domino’ outcome.
This animated map charts arms flow, world. spiri
Heh, just another misty big picture. Different from Klare’s.

Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 2 2008 17:43 utc | 6

The underlying prevailent philosophy of “bigger equals better no matter what” is fundamentally wrong.
“Are you satisfied with the size of your economy? Do your bankers and rentiers laugh when you get undressed? Now you can have no fear of any commercial encounter, with our guaranteed economy size improver. Impress the G8! Leave your VCs completely satisfied and longing for more! They’ll call you again and again after they’ve seen your amazingly huge economy!”
The idea that “bigger is better” has very deep roots in cultural patterns older than capitalism, is my point, and it will take enormous cultural effort to reach those roots and address the inequalities, mythologies and deep memes around them. Sure, capitalism takes size-queenery to grotesque, absurd extremes; but silly size-queenery is part and parcel of a patriarchal meme-bundle that is still dominating our lives… reptile-brain stuff.

Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 2 2008 18:05 utc | 7

via this weeks Doug Noland “Credit Bubble Bulletin” at Prudent Bear Reflation Contemplation
(scroll down to the headline ‘Reflation Contemplation’ for the commentary)

As Mr. Hausmann noted above, “The same voices that supported tough macroeconomic policies to deal with the excesses of spending and borrowing in east Asia, Russia and Latin America are today pushing for a significant relaxation in the US…” There is obviously no tolerance for any tough policy medicine in this country today. Regrettably, this only ensures a much more protracted period of economic stagnation, inflation, uncertainty and eventual arduous adjustment.

Posted by: b | Feb 2 2008 19:09 utc | 8

Like other MoA’s, Klare’s argument reminds me of rumor mills during the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. Skilled rumor-phone operators will recognize
the necessity to start a back burn, to snuff these wild rumors out. Clarity of
vision is essentially important over theories, especially when Klare’s theory
effectively covers up the egregious covert and prime influence of BushCo!
[/start of censorship/
Here I just deleted some 1,000 words of an unreadable rant by Tante Aime.
Two reason for this:
1. It was WRITTEN IN CAPSLOCK, a sore for my and your eyes and not helping any message. Writing in CAPS, i.e. screaming, is a nono on internet boards since at least 1992.
2. It included various claims that may be well founded and argued but, in my view, lack the support of evidence and included no links to provide such.
Because some might value Tante Aime’s comments here I copied the stuff to this page. If you want to read it – do so.
Others might want to wait for Tante Aime to present it in a readable, cogent and checkable format.
/end of censorship/
b.]
YOU’D HAVE TO BE HALF-BRAIN DEAD NOT TO KNOW THESE THINGS, AND ANY TIME, sorry…
Any time you eat a post-meltdown theory, no matter how intellectual or sopped
with financial gravey, which passivates this BushCo Crime-of-All-Crimes-in-the-
History-of-Humanity into some Keplerian theory of misplaced decimal points and
phosphor dots, MoA’s must RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE which created this Holocaust!
We may be passive, we may be shackled and passivated by politics and media, we may
be fenced in by usury and RFID, but never, ever think that this was not deliberate!
We haven’t “failed to thrive”. We’ve been lied to, stolen from and blood-let!
Our entire system of western civilization is become kleptocratic vampirocracy.
R’giap, Uncle$, Annie, keep the faithe! !PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY IN VISION!

Posted by: Tante Aime | Feb 2 2008 19:20 utc | 9

Nice rant Tante and you are on to something with it. I must disagree on one thing. I live in Michigan and we are dis-proportionally hurt by any big three downturn. I went back through the Michigan unemployment stats to 1970, charted the unemployment and charted oil prices right along with it. When oil prices go up, there is a lagging effect, but unemployment tracks higher oil prices and goes up. Higher unemployment in Michigan and higher oil prices also directly correlate with republican presidents. There is one anomaly, that is 1979 during the Iranian revolution when Carter was president. You can also from history look at the military spending during republicans. Nixon escalated Vietnam even further than Johnson with maximum forces in 1969, Reagan escalated military spending and tried some small military actions to get US citizens back used to war again, Bush had the first gulf war, and Bush two has the Afgan and Iraq war. The whole Repub thing was to displace the Dems as the war party. But they run wars like government, crappy.
The bottom line is, yes, higher oil prices do effect US car production. Come to Michigan and look, we are a skeleton of what we once was.
As far as whats went on being crimes, you are absolutely right and they, the Robert Rubins of the world, are going to get away with it.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 2 2008 21:48 utc | 10

Here’s another chart of money supply M3 + credit = L (total liquidity) that used to be a routine Statistical Abstract series, no longer available. Speaking of which, they used to publish All Govt Expenditure (fed + state = local) also discontinued and hushed up.
Makes me wonder if the Greenspan/Clinton 1995 monetary easing helped float govt borrowing and increased spending? But certainly the past five years tops anything previous. Milton Friedman argued that rate of change mattered most.
Thanks for this very thoughtful econ thread, b, jdp.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Feb 2 2008 22:05 utc | 11

I found a NYT archive article that mentions ‘balanced budget’ and Social Security actuarial worry. Is it possible that Clinton obtained budget surplus later with hot money GDP growth? Thereby stuffing Social Security in the freezer for someone else to deal with?

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Feb 2 2008 22:30 utc | 12

Pounding Klare’s passive false logic into rosin and chalk dust isn’t ranting.
Then again, as Dick Armitage puts it, “History begins today,” and maybe it’s
better that way, that nobody sees why the SCOTUS this week repeatedly ruled
against third-party liability, even when the third-party was co-conspirator
and co-beneficiary, in stark opposition to over 800 years of English law.
What does it matter why US:UK was dragged into Iraq? We were always in Iraq!
We will always be in Iraq. Nothing is co-liability related to anything. If
you see a connection, you’re a conspiracy theorist. Nothing to see here, citizen.
It should be obvious to everyone that BushCo:Blair is going to get away scot-free.
“You see, they’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English. I can’t even
talk the way these people talk: Why you ain’t, Where you is, What he drive, Where
he stay, Where he work, Who you be… And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother
talk. And then I heard the father talk:”
“(Passive voice) high gas prices (sic) caused (sic) the global recession (sic).
Passive voicing, ivory tower commentarism and pop personality cultism are three
new horsemen of this extra, extra, slow-motion, in-plain-view Neo-Zi apocalypse,
but it has the same end-game … genocide.

“Husayen confirmed Saudi government plans to abandon a 30-year wheat growing
programme that has so far guaranteed self-sufficiency for the country of 24
million people
. An official told Reuters last month the Saudi government would
start reducing purchases of wheat from local farmers yearly and move to 100
percent reliance on foreign imports by 2015 in order to save underground water.”
There is currently only a 25-day storage of grains, world-wide. If the Saudis
take 24M people grain equivalents out of production, and BushCo takes 10M’s grain
equivalents out of production for gasahol, and low-cost Russian grain production
cuts EU farmers off at the knees, at a time when global fertilizer production is
drastically curtailed due to higher feedstock costs and labor competition, then
we can relax about who committed what war crime, when, sometime in pre-history.
http://www.fas.usda.gov/grain/circular/2006/05-06/graintoc.htm
You may now return to your regularly scheduled, pacified, neutered, emblandishments.

Posted by: Tante Aime | Feb 3 2008 3:23 utc | 13

When you have to pay over 3.6 trillion a year for oil imports one can safely assume it is a major contributing factor to the present economic decline.
http://zfacts.com/p/721.html
However, the current debt crisis has a lot more to do with degregulation than oil prices, Check out the history of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in the words of Robert Rubin himself “You’re buying the government”:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html
All those Laissez-Faire advocates arguing for government to stay out of their business are now pleading for the exact same government to bail them out of the crisis they themselves created. They all hate welfare bums but are first in line at the government trough when their own finances are affected.
It was the lack of regulation that caused the Great Depression and it was the New Deal that enacted legislation to prevent another occurance. Free markets with no rules is like society with no laws. This is the lesson of the book Lord of the Flies. Humans will always resort to violence when no justice is percieved. The Rodney King riots are proof. If you just let them run amock they will. The Iraq invasion is exhibit A. The debt crisis is exhibit B. The price of oil is exhibit C.

Posted by: Sam | Feb 3 2008 4:06 utc | 14

3.6 trillion – not. Most of it is production sharing, perhaps $20 per barrel fully amortized extraction cost plus $5 shipping and insurance. That’s why the big US-Euro oil majors are profitable. No one is paying the spot price except speculators and buyers at the margin in Japan and China.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Feb 3 2008 5:48 utc | 15

I’ve often wondered why commenters on leftist sites sometimes adopt what might be called a ‘Tante Aimesque’ style. I thought maybe it recalled the beat poets for some people. But it also evokes this. This is NOT, NOT, NOT a snide way of implying that leftists are nuts. But I do wonder whether jdp’s highly teleological reasoning set Tante off. In jdp’s very logical post, things tend to happen because of sinister puppeteers rather than because of everyday compound fuckups, which are less congenial to paranoid ideations. Now paranoia, like alienation, is a salutary defense mechanism is the modern world. Maybe one should think about how to discuss actual conspiracies and penetralia without knocking vulnerable individuals off the rails.
No, really.

Posted by: …—… | Feb 3 2008 17:35 utc | 16

Great piece by Noland, b.

Posted by: ducoriletter | Feb 3 2008 17:38 utc | 17

@Tangerine – @6 – thanks for the sprawl links – very interesting.
@Sam – you are misinterpitating the 3.6 trillion number. That number is the U.S. total since Adam and Eve.
The direct cost for import oil to the U.S. is some $320 billion per year.
There are of course additional costs that are not included in that number. The U.S. military is one big chunk. Externalties like envrionment damage are not included either.
I have seen some numbers that say the real price for a gallon of gas, i.e. all included, is some $20/gal.

Posted by: b | Feb 3 2008 17:42 utc | 18

At 16, I really don’t understand your overall point, if your saying my points are paranoid or Tante, etc. First, I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. I am a believer in “Elite Theory.” Thomas Dye from Florida State is a major proponent of Elite Theory. So am I.
Elites believe they are born to lead, know whats best for the country and the world and formulate ideas and conditions to get where they believe their plans should take us. They don’t always agree, some have major policy differences, some choose a more free market approach, some more government involvement. But one thing is clear, the masses are not making the plans except maybe at local levels.
You can read the publications that announce policy going forward such as Foriegn Affairs etc. Also, Harpers Magazine believe it or not is a leading magazine for elites. These people all run in certain circles, sit on interlocking corporate boards, belong to the same clubs, go to the same events and many times inner-marry because they feel they need to marry within their class. They also attend the elite schools, Harvard, Yale, Brown, Stanford, University of Chicago, Georgetown, you get the idea. You can also gleen over time the trial and error in their plans. Also, certain books tell you the thinking, such as Greenspans new book, which I am finishing up. Other books such as Holly Sklars “Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management” written about 1979 talks about plans for the future including Samuel Huntingtons manual for the future. Elites believed in the early 1970s that the US had to much democracy, labor to much power and they went about reducing it. The book has a series of articles by college professors and commentary by Holly Sklar.
While you could say elites are sinister puppeteers, though they are just humans with foibles like everyone else, they are more like elite planners. And I think you miss the whole point of sites like this. What people here really dislike is the repercussions of elite decisions on the masses and the taxpayers always getting stuck with the bill for elite f— ups. So your link and discussion, really is misplaced somewhat, but a little paranoia never hurts, and one thing to remember, the US has always had an undertone of masses against elites. Read Howard Zinns “A Peoples History of the United States”, and you see where cynicism comes from.
So I guess the bottom line is, if your saying I’m a conspiracy theorist, I’m not. Just as your local community has a strategic plan for future development, strategic plans are at every level of government, business, and NGOs. Every level has a map and goals to attain. Just sometimes there are hiccups in the plans. But life itself is trial and error.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 3 2008 18:23 utc | 19

tante Aime’s CAP rant was good reading. Each paragraph could lead to a many comments. Can’t be picky right now.
Anyway Klare is a plodding, conventional thinker, a mainstream accepted alarmist, thus published, respectable. Or worse (he is Director of the Five College Program in Peace and World Security Studies (PAWSS), a position he has held since 1985, not that I know what exactly that implies.)
Riding the Peak Oil Wave. Fine. For him.
What always freaks me out about characters like that is their implicit smoochies to what *they* state mainstream opinion to be, and their sneaky stance that sort of hesitantly implies it is not good to tell the truth, bad to upset people, they have to be led slowly, so discourse has to be muted, targeted, possibly false, one has to chip away bit by bit – they practically admit they lie but attribute noble motives to these lies. Useful stooges, extras in the movie, paid generously. (Can’t judge Klare himself.)

Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 3 2008 19:05 utc | 20

i’m afraid i find 16’s concerns with language completely infantile – i am obliged in my work to sometimes use very crude & blunt tools like the dsm 4 or other texts psychobabble that disguises itself as diagnostic – it is far from it in fact – it tell us nothing of the language nor of the utilisateur

Posted by: r’giap | Feb 3 2008 19:29 utc | 21

touchy!
jdp,
elites: totally.
life itself is trial & error: totally.
paranoia is indeed the greatest,
and you’re not a conspiracy theorist, either.
COGNITION IS BEHAVIOR

Posted by: …—… | Feb 3 2008 20:16 utc | 22

all i am suggesting in this analysis of elites – the crude tools of behaviourism or of psychoanalysis are quite useless

Posted by: r’giap | Feb 3 2008 20:33 utc | 23

Unless they’re nuts

Posted by: ..—… | Feb 3 2008 21:02 utc | 24

@jdp
I’m personally very fond of Harper’s Magazine and don’t see them in the same light as you do. Have you seen Lewis Lapham’s new periodical, Lapham’s Quarterly. The first edition (Winter) is called States of War. It’s a dynamite historical source. I’m signing on for a subscription.

Posted by: Copeland | Feb 4 2008 1:54 utc | 25

Copeland, if you google CFR membership, it will come up and show the 1997 roster. Lewis Lapham is on that roster. I remember reading in early 1990s Harpers Laphams reservations about Nafta.
As I said, all people that belong to elite organizations and run in certain circles do not always agree. Lapham and Harpers gives you the decenter views in those instances. But it is highly read in elite circles
Just like the neocons are not appreciated by all elites, in fact I am sure the great majority dislike them. In fact, it took three decades and the Bush admin for them to really take hold. They were back bench players in the Reagan and Bush 1 admins. But many time sooner or later long term ideas have their day.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 4 2008 2:22 utc | 26

Sorry for misleading on the oil. I feel especially stupid because I read a news article claiming it was $400 billion the day before I posted.

Posted by: Sam | Feb 4 2008 2:49 utc | 27

We are riding the peak oil wave. Oil is finite. When we get there no one knows yet. I have friends who stopped pumping the oil out when the price fell below 18 USD in the 70’s. And they still haven’t reopened those wells. They are capped just a few blocks from where I live. Everything is there it draw and store but just sitting capped. But I do think you argue the same position from two different sides of the initial post.

Posted by: caveqat | Feb 4 2008 4:00 utc | 28

Speaking of nuts: Cognition is Behavior Huhhh…it is but one input in most cases into behavior.
jdp @19 wrote:
But one thing is clear, the masses are not making the plans except maybe at local levels.
jdp, I suspect you’d agree that the masses impose at most constraints on the actions of the Elites. And right now, as the Elites are more unified over a wider range than they’ve been this century, they are providing few apparent constraints. Even w/the web, I challenge anyone to find opposition. Masses always hate war. So what else is new. The only constraint they’ve imposed is preventing the Elites from re-imposing the draft in its Vietnam form. Not from starting or fighting wars. Not from imposing a poverty draft – either in its current form, or its coming form via National Service for All, w/poverty draft in form of money for college for those “choosing” military “service’. I can’t even find anyone on the “progressive” side demanding that War Dept. budget be slashed, as it must be if there’s to be any money to run the country; shutting down Dept. of Totalitarian Society Development (DHS – initiated by JackAss Party over Repug opposition); ending neo-liberalism; not using “free market” to make transition from oil based society to whatever the hell the future brings…
In short, even w/the facilitator of the web, the constraints on the Elites are essentially nil. Horrifying. Elites idiotic if they try to reconfigure that great escape valve, the internet, to shut it down…real opposition may emerge then.

Posted by: jj | Feb 4 2008 4:06 utc | 29