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February 24, 2008
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YEAH Ralph!
Nader for President: https://www.votenader.org/
An alternative? Who hates Ralph?

Posted by: Jake | Feb 24 2008 16:02 utc | 1

It’s the twenty-first century; so where the hell are the spaceships? Prudence would dictate getting off this planet posthaste.

Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 16:06 utc | 2

re: Nader …
rough graph of political spectrum, with Nader, Clinton, Obama, McCain:
socialism |–N——–OCM-| pecuniocracy

Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 16:10 utc | 3

dave chappelle’s black bush. jamie fox plays a damn good blair.

Posted by: annie | Feb 24 2008 16:12 utc | 4

socialism |–N——–OCM-| pecuniocracy
Now where to put Ron Paul here?
I tend to think of this to be more of a circle where the trotzkist on the “far left” move to the “far right” (and vice versa) without crossing the “centrist” spectrum.

Posted by: b | Feb 24 2008 16:21 utc | 5

I think The Political Compass has a point in differentiating between the left-right and the centralised-decentralised power axis. Ron Paul would be down from the main bunch of candidates, while Nader is down and to the left.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Feb 24 2008 17:34 utc | 6

SCOTUS allowing 401(k) participants to sue the fund managers is ‘interesting’, since
SCOTUS also denied state-action lawsuits against Federally regulated-companies, and
SCOTUS also denied class-action lawsuits against 3rd-party co-conspirators to crime.
So while now we can’t, for example, sue the brokers and banks who knowingly and most
willingly participated in and profited from their credit.con, and while we can’t sue
medical device or pharmaceutical malpractice (FDA), can’t sue sitting on the runway
for seven hours, trapped in a steaming aluminum coffin (FAA), can’t sue for mad cow,
MRSA, and pygmy genitalia (USDA), can’t sue for clean air or clean water (EPA) and
of course, can’t touch the gilded “defense” contractors (DOD/NSA/DHS), it is however,
perfectly acceptable to class-action a retirement fund, *after the money has already
been lost*, with the fund managers mounting their defense *from the remaining funds
on hand*, then dispensing 60% of the ensuing damages claim to the legal consortium,
so leaving the bulk of the pension plan participants flat, busted broke, after the
fund managers are legally required to declare the fund bankrupt in a final roll-up.
With most (401)k’s showing net losses post-2005, SCOTUS has declared open field day
on our remaining money pool, grand theft if there ever was one, to the less entitled
shysters in the corporate finance “profession”, a thinly disguised run on your bank, even as big banks and mortgage lenders belly up to the tax-bailout open bar.
Stay calm, citizen. Take your soma. Rest. Relax. Tomorrow is another wage slave day.
Ralph?… Ralph?… As a lawyer, did you want to pipe in on this? I didn’t think so.

Posted by: Peris Troika | Feb 24 2008 17:50 utc | 7

#5&6: indeed
I should’ve written “conventional political spectrum”, which doesn’t distinguish centralized/decentralized — I realize the meme does perhaps more harm than good…
But anyway, just saying, the fact that Nader (the only real opposition candidate) isn’t getting 40%+ of the popular vote bespeaks how “Orwellized” our society is.

Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 18:17 utc | 8

Well, in the Happy Little Kingdom of Denmark, we’ve had an odd case related to the “Mohammed Cartoons”.
The Danish secret police (PET) busted three men recently, the one, a Danish citizen, was quickly released. The other two, Tunisian citizens residing in Denmark (one with a Danish wife) are to be expelled to Tunis where they will in all probability be treated unkindly by the local security.
The charge? Well, there is no “charge” as such, but PET says they planned to murder the fellow who drew a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. However, the facts of the case are secret, so no one knows what the evidence is, if any, or how it was obtained.
Anyway, in connection with this detainment and possible expulsion of two guys, the papers here reprinted the Mohammed cartoons, and now the Danish flag is being burned in many countries where Islam is the dominant religion and it is otherwise not normally allowed to demonstrate.
Also, there have been torching of cars, containers, schools the past two weeks.
There is something about it all that smells, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Feb 24 2008 18:47 utc | 9

@askod – @6 – interesting – I ended up a bit south-west of Ghandi. But maybe I cheated …

Posted by: b | Feb 24 2008 18:58 utc | 10

you are funny Chuck, it seems that some things never change. even 500 years ago English speakers were writing about the “state” of Denmark

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2008 18:59 utc | 11

@#4 annie *lmao*
Gawd. Where do you find these things?
Good one!

Posted by: Jake | Feb 24 2008 20:45 utc | 12

Looks like Tel Aviv has a wee bit of a problemo – can’t imagine why…. 50% of American Jewish Youngsters could care less if Israel dries up & blows away
(A fair part of this is simply blowback from their extremist right-wing policies. Until things became so unstable in Israel, it was standard for Am. adolescents, ~16 yrs old/juniors in h.s., to spend the summer in Israel. This built the ties to help sustain it. Then it became too dangerous to send your children, & Israel became some place wayyy over there in that godforsaken nowomansland dust bowl w/insane policies.)
So, as part of the propaganda offensive discussed in the article, does Mossad go back to staging anti-semitic incidents around the globe? The last wave in Europe several yrs. ago worked like a charm. A generation of Israeli Profesionals graduated from school thinking Europe is extremely anti-semitic. I even have friends here who think that.

Posted by: jj | Feb 24 2008 21:25 utc | 13

Does anyone want to mention inflation?
Bernanke is keeping rates low for the stock market, giving money free to the banks, and we are about to get the Japan treatment from China and the Saudis. Right? Anyone?
Am I missing something? What will stop runaway inflation? This is just another part of the bucks-trap laid for the dems. A sharp overall downturn will equalize much of the credibility loss for the RNC under Bush.
That is, if pro-nuke, new-face, dream-recall Obama can overwin in november enough to beat the vote fraud. It will take 60% and then the fight starts: bring the boys home, bring the dems back to the people. Should only take 7 of the next 9 election cycles or so..
🙂

Posted by: bellgong | Feb 24 2008 23:18 utc | 14

DoS,
Denmark *is* a state (of mind).

Posted by: ralphieboy | Feb 25 2008 8:14 utc | 15

Hunter Thompson quote from shortly before his Exit (3 yrs. ago): (clipped from post on JHK’s site)
The American nation is in the worst condition I can remember in my lifetime, and our prospects for the immediate future are even worse. I am surprised and embarrassed to be a part of the first American generation to leave the country in far worse shape than it was when we first came into it. Our highway system is crumbling, our police are dishonest, our children are poor, our vaunted Social Security, once the envy of the world, has been looted and neglected and destroyed by the same gang of ignorant greed-crazed bastards who brought us Vietnam, Afghanistan, the disastrous Gaza Strip and ignominious defeat all over the world.
The Stock Market will never come back, our Armies will never again be No. 1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of our lives.
The Bush family must be very proud of themselves today, but I am not. Big Darkness, soon come. Take my word for it.

Even HT would be astonished at how much more they’ve managed to ravage in 3 short years. This almost sounds like a Golden Age…

Posted by: jj | Feb 25 2008 10:55 utc | 16

i have been googling or 1/2 and hour trying to find out if and when the clintons upon leaving the white house went about a stealing spree.if i remember right there were some discrepancies with gifts and not airlumes(dont laugh i can’t spell) all i can find are articles or blog accounts from less than reputable sourses.now i am voting for obama and don’t favor the clintons for many reasons but i told a republican friend i would have to do some investigation before i will allow him to use this as his sole to put down hillery unless it is true.i may not be voting for her but i’ll be dammed if i will allow any of my friends to spread lies about any candidate in this election.do any of you remember this story?and can you give me a reputable link?

Posted by: onzaga | Feb 25 2008 12:21 utc | 17

@Onzaga – NYT, Feb 12, 2002: Clintons Accused of a Failure To Disclose Gifts’ True Value

The Clintons underestimated the value of dozens of gifts they received while in the White House and failed to disclose others, according to documents released today by Republican Congressional investigators.
The documents show that the former president and first lady received scores of gifts that the couple did not report because their value was set below the threshold for reporting gifts on disclosure statements. The threshold was $250 from 1993 to 1998, and $260 from 1999 on.

The findings are in a report that provides the most detailed account to date of the gifts the Clintons received in the White House. It was released this morning after a yearlong investigation by Republicans on the House Government Reform subcommittee.

Your welcome 🙂

Posted by: b | Feb 25 2008 13:33 utc | 18

Nothing here about Don Siegelman, 60 Minutes, Scott Horton, Jill Simpson, Leura Canary, Alice Martin, or Judge Fuller?
Nothing here about the mysterious network problems
experienced by WHNT last night?
Man, I thought this blog would be on fire.
Curious.

Posted by: joel hanes | Feb 25 2008 16:54 utc | 19

@joel – believe it or not, I DO have to work for a living once in a while …

Posted by: b | Feb 25 2008 17:32 utc | 20

@ jj, at 13, along the same lines…
If Israel had good schools and nice jobs for young foreignors, some might like to go. With the exception of some Americans (who are generally paid to go, often indirectly with approval from the powerful etc.; and settlers, who live for ‘free’ and are the no. 1 drain on the Isr. economy, which is going to pot), not one young lower middle to upper class person in the *World* considers Israel a place they would ever set foot it. Maybe someone can find an exception, ‘not one’ is pretty strong: still it is hard to beat. Even the poor won’t go unless forced because they are starving, and stumble across the border. (Or air lifted en masse – Ethiopians..)
Part of the reason is the young traveller who affects ‘poor’ or ‘new’ places is a humanitarian – out to do good – or an adventurer. Good cannot be done in Israel (Rachel Corrie) and visiting Masada after N boring, but also scary, checkpoints is no adventure. Now that is trivial, but it cuts to the heart. Definitions of people in ethnic or religious terms are antithetical to the values Isr. ostensibly adopts: a ‘modern democracy’ which for young people means freedom of movement, speech, and lack of goons; a ‘free market’ economy, which means being taken as you are, opportunities to rent, work, thrive, etc.; more could be said, without even mentioning the oppression of Palestinians, war, Arab pov, etc.
So Israel has to put it mildly a sh*t reputation. Which is reinforced by all the expat Israelis who blithely tell everyone it is no place to bring up children but they support Netanyahoo (sp.) and Bin Laden is living in Baghdad.
Israel has lost whatever moral authority it had and no propaganda can retrieve it, for those under say 25. They, in the Western world, have been bludgeoned with the mantra of equality, the idea of personal achievement, career success and obscured economic domination, technotopia, etc. etc. (fill it in.) They will no longer act in function of religious belonging (up to a point of course) and though they can be whipped up to hate it ain’t easy and in any case it is better to ignore hate, (admit it exists but that oneself is not interested) in favor of flat screens and shish kebab with hot sauce. Many also consider that defining enemies in terms of ethnicity/religion/race …is so yesterday. (Except in the USuk..)
That Israel seemingly won’t face that it can’t have its cake and eat it too – it can’t have a thriving free market economy, admiration, respect, attractiveness, techno innovation, cool discos, etc. etc. while running a vicious apartheid state and giant open air prisons not to mention a territory criss-crossed by absurd walls is a sign not of desperation but of submissiveness. Or perhaps, to be kinder, of its internal contradictions.

Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 25 2008 19:02 utc | 21

b, not one young lower middle to upper class person in the *World* considers Israel a place ………
Russia? Israel is a crime haven for mafia “no-extradition” types, sex workers etc.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 25 2008 19:40 utc | 22

Tangerine, I don’t know who Israeli expats voted for, but after their last assault on Lebanon, single soldiers were interviewed & said they wanted to get the hell out. They were fed up w/war. And the Aussies are right there recruiting the youngsters they’ve just put through Univ. & grad school at great expense. Their leadership is as bankrupt as ours.

Posted by: jj | Feb 25 2008 20:02 utc | 23

Can you say debtors prison?
From Fpif (Foreign Policy In Focus)
Capitalism in an Apocalyptic Mood

Skyrocketing oil prices, a falling dollar, and collapsing financial markets are the key ingredients in an economic brew that could end up in more than just an ordinary recession. The falling dollar and rising oil prices have been rattling the global economy for sometime. But it is the dramatic implosion of financial markets that is driving the financial elite to panic.

You want a half turnip in your cabbage soup, citizen camp worker?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 25 2008 20:20 utc | 24

sounds like it’s gonna heat up again in kenya very soon. kibaki has remained entrenched & opposed to ceding any executive powers. annan is expressing the desire to sign off. the police have stepped up recruiting efforts, undertaking the training of the first 5k of 10,000 new recruits. (and police tuesday raised the death toll to 1500 so far.) a few hundred police have been transferred around in the western regions. the gangs have had time for mobilization & arming themselves. ODM has filed for permits for new mass rallies this thursday. mood in the blogosphere is tense, w/ increased talk of moving to the bullet since the ballot didn’t remove kibaki. the vibes right now are definitely not one of optimism, though the times are recognized as presenting the opportunity for some real change.

Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2008 23:54 utc | 25

Who would have thought …
Pentagon Releases Projections for Forces

The Pentagon is projecting that when the United States troop buildup in Iraq ends in July there will be about 8,000 more troops on the ground than when it began in January 2007, a senior general said Monday.

General Ham also announced that the Pentagon believed that United States force levels in Afghanistan would be at 32,000 in late summer, up from about 28,000 now.

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2008 5:58 utc | 26

oh my
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The U.S. military said on Monday they had detained the news editor of a television station owned by Iraq’s most powerful political party and his son, who is accused of involvement in attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces.

Al-Furat is owned by the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, the biggest Shi’ite party in Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s government. Its leader is Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq’s most influential politicians, who has been courted by Washington and met President George W. Bush at the White House in November.
The U.S. military said in an e-mail response to questions from Reuters that Beshara had been detained in the operation to arrest his son, who was identified in an earlier statement as a suspected militia intelligence operative.
“His (Beshara) detention had nothing to do with his place of employment or his relationship to his son,” U.S. military spokesman Major Brad Leighton said.
A U.S. military official with knowledge of the operation said Beshara had been held because an unauthorized belt-fed machinegun had been found in a search of his home.
The military said Beshara’s son was suspected of belonging to the “special groups”, jargon for rogue units of Shi’ite militias that they say receive weapons and training from Iran. Tehran denies the charge.
“The targeted individual reportedly aided in Special Groups criminal militia attacks on Iraqi and (U.S.-led) Coalition forces as an intelligence operative,” a military statement said.
The manager of Furat television, Abbas al-Essawi, called the arrest of Beshara “provocative”.

special groups!

Posted by: annie | Feb 26 2008 9:17 utc | 27

The price of US support for Turkey’s incursion into Iraq:
· Turkey sending an operational brigade of soldiers to Afghanistan.
· Turkey opening up the way for US soldiers to transfer out of Iraq using Turkish soil.
· The setting up of a missile system in Turkey.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 26 2008 10:25 utc | 28

thank you b,@ 18

Posted by: onzaga | Feb 26 2008 11:12 utc | 29

& fuck me dead joel@19. b is on top a great deal more than anyone can reasonably expect. always meat. always sourced. always a journey
the expertise & a capacity to demand us to do our own researches & feed them back – b real, ubcle tangerine, cloned – many many many people here i’m very very thankful for
in lieu of wasting time you make time richer

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2008 19:08 utc | 30

for b real
– any notive of this?
Yorkshire reanter who knows a bit or two about global flight planes (he discovered a lot of the rendition flights) writes

I was wondering what might be going on in Somalia; we’re getting a surprising number of lifts a day from the UAE to Puntland/Somaliland (Hargeisa and Berbera) with Tenir AL and British Gulf International Company (not BGIA) call signs.

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2008 19:19 utc | 31

b,
I never don’t check in every day. you (& the rest of y’all regulars) cover far more than I could get by searching everything I could possibly search for 12 hours on a daily basis, and yet here, I check in for roughly 10 to 120 minutes and get the depth that will help me & y’alls move this world and our species back toward some sanity & perhaps even longivity.
Thanks everyone, just once again. I’m always here and appreciative.
Juannie

Posted by: Juannie | Feb 26 2008 19:39 utc | 32

b @31
nothing specific on that. could be related to the escalating conflicts on the ground.
lots going on in somalia, all over. somaliland is reclaiming/claim (depending on who you believe) land from puntland. TFG troops are getting picked off regularly by the so-called insurgents. ethiopian soldiers too. and a police general in mogadishu was assassinated yesterday, as well as the head of the dept of taxes.
and militant groups are having more success taking over more areas – al-Shabaab reenter Dinsor, threaten to attack Baidoa

BAIDOA, Somalia Feb 26 (Garowe Online) – Somalia’s al-Shabaab guerrillas reentered a town in the southern part of the country hours after Ethiopian troops withdrew Tuesday, locals reported.
Al-Shabaab fighters armed with rocket launchers and machineguns briefly seized control of Dinsor town on Sunday, but withdrew before the night.
In response, the interim government dispatched a convoy of Ethiopian troops to Dinsor. The Ethiopians stayed in Dinsor until midday Tuesday and withdrew back to Baidoa, the seat of the Somali parliament.

Abu Mansur, who publicly addressed Dinsor residents during Sunday’s takeover, was quoted yesterday by a Mogadishu radio station saying that he was “somewhere inside Bay region,” where Baidoa is located.
He threatened to attack Baidoa and other parts of Bay region “where there are Ethiopian troops and those who support them.”

reports keep coming in that they’re gaining more control over southern & central mogadishu. the TFG never had control over those regions to begin w/. the ethiopians have been shuffling troops around over the past couple of months, and when they pull out of an area, armed resistance fighters are quick to move in. sounds like they have the support of the local populations too.

Posted by: b real | Feb 26 2008 20:16 utc | 33

sounds like they have the support of the local populations too.
Yep – that’s the key in guerillia fights. And the Ethiopians are certainly not welcome.
Still – a lot of big transport flights form the Emirates to Puntland smells of big US arms or even special forces shipment …

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2008 20:22 utc | 34

@Juannie – 32 – thanks for the compliment.
Still I don’t catch 10% of the relevant news. Please add whatever you have.

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2008 20:24 utc | 35

puntland and somaliland both have close relationships w/ u.s. intel, given their geostrategic location. interaction w/ somaliland has stepped up though, as we’ve pointed out. DoS seems ready to recognize them. they really want that port & airstrip. rather than puntland, could the flights be to that strip to provide support for somaliland’s grab for sanaag?
from that recent analysis by weinstein

A more serious threat to the transitional institutions is evidenced by the visit of Somaliland’s president, Dahir Riyale Kahin, to Washington and an unprecedented return visit of U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer to Hargeysa. In December, the Washington Post reported that elements of the U.S. Defense Department were urging that the goal of reconciling Somalia be abandoned in favor of recognizing Somaliland’s independence and allowing post-colonial Somalia to be cantonized in order to isolate the militant Islamists and to gain a military foothold in Somalia. At that time, the Post reported that the U.S. State Department was resisting the cantonization strategy, but Frazer’s visit casts doubt on its resolve, although the official position remains that Washington will only consider recognizing Hargeysa if the A.U. moves first. It is telling, however that the State Department called Somaliland a “region” when Riyale visited Washington and that Frazer called it a “country” when she visited Hargeysa.
[TFG PM] Hussein responded to U.S. contacts with Somaliland by welcoming them and praising Somaliland’s political achievements, while insisting on the unity of post-colonial Somalia. Although it is far from certain that Washington is moving towards recognizing Hargeysa, its new initiatives cast doubt on its commitment to the transitional institutions, weakening Hussein’s credibility.


more western press on ethiopia’s brutal oppression in the ogaden
csm: In Ethiopia, does staying silent save lives?

Posted by: b real | Feb 26 2008 20:34 utc | 36

An IPO for VISA? Raising billions for an IPO? This would’ve sounded good two years ago but why now? Too much bad credit to handle all alone? WTF?
Visa files for IPO it hopes will raise $10 billion

Posted by: gus | Feb 26 2008 22:22 utc | 37

Jesus Christ what a circus…
Sometimes all you can do is shake your head at the spectacle…
Clift notes Josh Marshall at TPMtv attempts to shed some light on the subject. [video]

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2008 0:24 utc | 38

Rollingstone:The Myth of the Surge

Hoping to turn enemies into allies, U.S. forces are arming Iraqis who fought with the insurgents. But it’s already starting to backfire. A report from the front lines of the new Iraq

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2008 0:36 utc | 39

quick – what do these three countries in the following headline all have in common?
reuters: Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq top index of weak states

WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) – Somalia, Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Iraq are the four weakest states in the world, according to an index of fragile nations released by two U.S. think tanks on Tuesday.
The Brookings Institution and the Center for Global Development ranked 141 developing countries according to their performance in four core areas — economic, political, security and social welfare.
Using those indicators, Somalia, Afghanistan, Democratic Republic of Congo headed the list and were designated as “failed states.” They were followed by Iraq, Burundi, Sudan, Central African Republic, Zimbabwe, Liberia and Ivory Coast.
“Given the role that weak states can play as incubators and breeding grounds for transnational security threats, building state capacity … should be a higher priority for U.S. policy,” said the report.
A weak state is defined as one lacking the capacity to establish and maintain political institutions, secure the population from violent conflict and control their territories or to meet the basic needs of the population.

But the Brookings Institution’s Susan Rice, who co-authored the index, said there had not been a big enough focus, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa where most critically weak states were located.
“For all of our newfound rhetoric after 9/11, the U.S. government has yet to generate any kind of coherent approach to strengthening the capacity of weak states,” Rice, who is also an adviser to Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama, told Reuters.

The report also included a “watch list” of countries that should be monitored by policymakers because of their significant weakness.
Those included Syria, Algeria, the Philippines, Cuba and Paraguay, but also Russia, which ranked 65 on the overall list as well as India at 67 and China at 74.
“We have to get out of the habit of assuming that states we have come to believe are rising powers — China, Russia and India — are all strong states,” said Rice.

It also urged that aid should be better targeted in failed and weak states with an emphasis on improving security.
For example, in Iraq and Afghanistan where the United States is most deeply involved, the report said U.S. troop levels were inadequate to stabilize both nations.

still feel like voting democrat?

Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 4:47 utc | 40

MAJOR STORY CAME OUT TODAY (***UNCA $CAM ALERT**).
PROZAC IS USELESS ‘CEPT IN SPECIAL CASES:
Prozac, the bestselling antidepressant taken by 40 million people worldwide, does not work and nor do similar drugs in the same class, according to a major review released today.
The study examined all available data on the drugs, including results from clinical trials that the manufacturers chose not to publish at the time.
The trials compared the effect on patients taking the drugs with those given a placebo or sugar pill.
When all the data was pulled together, it appeared that patients had improved – but those on placebo improved just as much as those on the drugs.
The only exception is in the most severely depressed patients, according to the authors – Prof Irving Kirsch from the department of psychology at Hull University and colleagues in the US and Canada. But that is probably because the placebo stopped working so well, they say, rather than the drugs having worked better.
“Given these results, there seems little reason to prescribe antidepressant medication to any but the most severely depressed patients, unless alternative treatments have failed,” says Kirsch. “This study raises serious issues that need to be addressed surrounding drug licensing and how drug trial data is reported.”
The paper, published today in the journal PLoS (Public Library of Science) Medicine, is likely to have a significant impact on the prescribing of the drugs. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) already recommends that counselling should be tried before doctors prescribe antidepressants. Kirsch, who was one of the consultants for the guidelines, says the new analysis “would suggest that the prescription of antidepressant medications might be restricted even more”.

The review breaks new ground because Kirsch and his colleagues have obtained for the first time what they believe is a full set of trial data for four antidepressants. Prozac, used by 40m people, does not work say scientists
2 Things jump out at me:
1) Big Pharma now allowed to release drugs based only on data they select. Then when all the data is finally pried loose, ~ a decade or so later, depending on how mountainous the pile of corpses is, they hope it will be so much a part of culture that scientific data will be irrelevant. Does anyone really think, Prozac will vaporize from Am. doctors.
2) As you may have noticed, this was Front Page Featured Article in Guardian Today. NYT website merely printed Reuters release & you would only have found it if you knew it was there & used their search function. Any bets on number of americans who will ever hear of this, or prescribing “doctors” who will care/be affected by it?

Posted by: jj | Feb 27 2008 6:31 utc | 41

Today’s other Big Story. Did anyone else have lightbulbs go off when wall from Gaza to Egypt was broken & people fled?? Is that their solution – force Gaza upon Egypt & West Bank upon Jordan?? More evidence they’re implementing that. Israel now cutting off power so that each will be getting it from those countries…beginning of more extensive integration, or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill???
The West Bank town of Jericho was connected to the Jordanian power grid on Monday in a move a Palestinian official said was meant to reduce dependence on Israeli electricity supplies.
A Palestinian official responsible for the project said the connection cost $10 million and means the ancient town of Jericho and its surroundings no longer depend on Israeli electricity.
“The aim of this step is to reduce our consumption of Israeli electricity and hook up with the Arab network,” said Omar Kittaneh, head of the Palestinian Energy Authority.
Kittaneh said the
Palestinian Authority was buying 20 megawatts of power from Jordan and that the hope was to add other West Bank towns to the grid later.
He said Jordan was part of the Arab electricity grid that also included Egypt, Syria and Turkey.Palestinians plug Jericho into Jordan’s power grid
Gaza to get electricity supply from Egypt: company This story actually is old.

Posted by: jj | Feb 27 2008 6:50 utc | 42

@askod #6, b #10:
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.79
fallin’ off the chart of “normality”…

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 27 2008 15:15 utc | 43

fallin’ off the chart of “normality”…
I expected nothing less from you 🙂

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2008 16:12 utc | 44

comrade, we’ve noticed a disturbing change in your email habits. care to come clean or do we just start with the taser now?

The Air Force is developing a data-mining technology meant to root out disaffected insiders based on their e-mail activity–or lack thereof, according to an article in this month’s International Journal of Security and Networks.
The technology, based on something called Probabilistic Latent Semantic Indexing (PDF), scours an organization’s e-mail traffic and constructs a graph of social network interactions illustrating employee activity. If a worker suddenly stops socializing online, abruptly shifts alliances within the organization, or starts developing an unhealthy interest in “sensitive topics,” the system detects it and alerts investigators.

Posted by: ran | Feb 27 2008 18:20 utc | 45

wondering if this ties into #31 at all
shabelle: Kenyan anti-terrorism forces pull out Somalia border

(Shabelle.net/english-27.02.08) – Kenyan special RDU anti-terrorism armed and border patrolling forces have entirely withdrawn from their main army base on the border with Somalia on Wednesday residents said.
These forces from several countries were parts of USA’s AFRICOM command forces have been on the frontier between Somalia and Kenya for long time and the residents close to the force’s campgrounds have expressed additional concern on the soldier’s behavior.
Residents also told Shabelle English service that the troops have vacated from more ten locations of their military camps on the border.
Its unidentified the motivation behind the force’s withdrawal although as Shabelle made contact with some Kenyan officials no comment could be available from them apropos of the troop’s pulling out from the border.
The inhabitants nearby the border between Kenya and Somalia have expressed extra satisfaction about the withthrawal.

as far as i’m aware, CJTF-HOA is still under CENTCOM & wasn’t to be turned over the AFRICOM until september. the rest of the article lifts txt from a jane’s report and another article i don’t recognize right away & haven’t bothered to find.

ips: U.S. Investors Sought for Southern Sudan

WASHINGTON, Feb 27 (IPS) – Business lobbies and groups opposed to the Sudanese government are seeking to drum up investment in Southern Sudan, once a front in efforts to install a more pro-U.S. regime in Khartoum.
Groups promoting business engagement say commerce will ensure stability in and beyond the war-torn territory.
“Engagement in Southern Sudan can help lift the region’s people and its economy out of the turmoil and have positive effects to stabilise the entire country,” said Adam Sterling, director of the Sudan Divestment Task Force, a member of the Genocide Intervention Network.
In Southern Sudan, the U.S.-based network of students’, rights, and religious groups opposed to violence in Darfur has found common ground with the National Foreign Trade Council business lobby and USA Engage, a trade association opposed to unilateral U.S. sanctions.
U.S. businesses and individuals are barred from doing business with Sudan, the government of which the United States accuses of genocide in the western region of Darfur.
The ban does not extend to Southern Sudan, which won autonomy in 2005, after the signing of a peace agreement between the central government and the rebel Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA).
“While sanctions are in place restricting trade and investment in the North, it is not widely known that companies acting within OFAC regulations can conduct business in Southern Sudan,” said Jake Colvin, director of USA Engage. He referred to the U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Asset Control.
“U.S. government sanctions are fairly nuanced in this regard and there is an important distinction that allows trade and investment by international businesses and donors,” added Colvin.
Under the 2005 peace deal, the SPLA formed a government in the Southern Sudan city of Juba. The SPLA chief serves as the territory’s president and as Sudan’s senior vice president. Full independence from Khartoum could follow a referendum scheduled for 2011.

Since 2005, Southern Sudan has received hundreds of millions of dollars in international aid money and in profits from Sudan’s booming oil industry but there has been little development to show for it.

In 1996, Washington funneled nearly 20 million dollars worth of military equipment through Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Uganda to help the Sudanese opposition overthrow the government of President Omar al-Bashir. U.S. officials quoted at the time denied the aid was destined for the SPLA despite media reports to the contrary.

Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 19:37 utc | 46

perhaps this has something to do w/ kenyan/u.s. forces w/drawing from the somali border
guardian uk: As talks break down, army is Kenya’s best hope

Britain yesterday said that the Kenyan army is now “by far the best option” to stop a sectarian bloodbath as peace talks in Nairobi between the government and opposition were suspended.
The foreign office minister for Africa, Asia and the UN, Mark Malloch-Brown, said that there was a serious risk of renewed bloodshed if talks broke down irrevocably. About a thousand Kenyans have been killed since disputed elections in December and 600,000 have fled their homes after rival gangs, organised largely on ethnic lines, went on the rampage.

“We’re going to have to stop the violence,” Malloch-Brown said. “The Kenyan military is by far the best option. The question is, can the army be brought in in a non-divisive way?”
He argued that the army is still respected by the Kenyan public as a genuinely national and multi-ethnic institution, unlike the police, but that its generals are reluctant to get involved because they want to maintain its status and unity.

at the very end of january, rwanda’s kagame suggested that kenya use its military to takeover the country until things calmed down enough that a civilian govt could be installed. recently there have been mentions in the press that kagame only made his comments upon the suggestion of “some western countries.”

Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 19:53 utc | 47

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
i guess i am stalin’s son on speed

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2008 20:28 utc | 48

Good to see ya Malooga. 😉

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2008 22:25 utc | 49

@47
Britain yesterday said that the Kenyan army is now “by far the best option” to stop a sectarian bloodbath as peace talks in Nairobi between the government and opposition were suspended.
how about fresh elections ? Theres nothing stopping Britain & the USA from calling for fresh elections. Its not like they have hidden motives, is it ?
the lingering feeling I get more & more is that the Western govts really underestimate the intelligence of Kenyans, particularly the opposition.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 28 2008 0:08 utc | 50

Hippies to the Rescue (Dutch) – w/a considerable assist from German Industry
Four years ago, Crebas and his business partner were selling second-hand wares through a trading website called Marktplaats.nl when they were approached by eBay, the hugely successful auction website, and made th kind of offer you can’t refuse. The American firm bought out Marktplaats.nl for €225 (£170m), instantly pushing Crebas and his partner halfway up the list of Holland’ 500 richest people. But Crebas had no interest in upgrading his home or car “Suddenly, I was in a position to put my money where my mouth is and make real m vision of doing something that would have a positive impact on the environment.
So, once the family celebration with pizza and beer was over, Crebas and his wife, Carla, started researching what practices were the most damaging to the environment. They found that the cultivation of the enormous quantities of cotton used by the fashion industry – much loved because it appears to be “pure and natural” – is responsible for 25% of all insecticides and 11% of pesticides used globally, causing massive pollution and the deaths of thousands of people who cultivate the crops without protection. Nor is growing enough organic cotton to satisfy the demands of the clothing industry a viable alternative, says Crebas; it cannot be done in enough quantity on the land available – and if more land is made available it leads to logging and the use of agricultural land.
As he mulled over this dilemma, he learned that stinging nettles had been used in medieval times and more recently in both world wars, when other crops were scarce, to make clothing, but had since long fallen out of favour. Further investigation led him to discover that research was already under way into the use of nettles for textiles.For example, the Sustainable Technology in Nettle Growing (Sting) project funded by Defra at Leicester’s De Montfort University – which is now doing some work for Crebas – has succeeded in extracting a silky thread that is stronger and finer than from other plants such as hemp. Also, an EU-funded project (known as FAIR-CT98-9615) has been working with textile companies in Austria, Germany and Italy to evolve methods of extracting fibre from nettles, as well as the spinning, weaving and manufacturing of such textiles.
….
“I see nettles as a crop that can transform life for those growing textile crops in the developing world,” says Crebas. “Nettles grow on the most inhospitable land, ground that has been overused with chemicals, but their cultivation uses a very small amount – if any – of pesticide. And because the processes for making it into a really attractive fabric are developing all the time, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be a viable, and far more environmentally sustainable, alternative to conventional cotton.”
Crebas does not expect to make a profit for some years, but is content with that. “I am happy living the same life I did as a hippy. Any money we make is for the Brennels project.”

But isn’t the issue always that you only need toxic crap like pesticides, or antibiotics in animals, when you drink the Greed kool-aid. ie. there’s nothing that inherently requires them, except the greed that drives one to produce more per unit of space than one can do w/out such toxics.

Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 6:17 utc | 51

The PNAC is back – same old liars with a brand new name
by CA Libertarian
Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:22:36 PM PST
There’s a new think tank on the loose, guys, and it’s called the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. They’re on a veritable rampage, penning articles and missives to the editor on a set of issues we are all too familiar with.
It doesn’t take long to see these clowns for what they are, another front for the neoconservative agenda: anti-U.N., pro-Iraq war, shills for Israel via proxy (in this case, Lebanon), and pro-Iran invasion.
But let’s take a closer look at who is behind this.
Here is the roster.
Board of Directors
Steve Forbes – original signatory, PNAC
Jeanne Kirkpatrick, signatory, PNAC letter to Bush
Jack Kemp, Mr. supply-side economics himself, linked to Kirkpatrick and William Bennett (another PNAC signatory) via Empower America, which also happens to have Steve Forbes as a director
Distinguished Advisors
Louis Freeh
Newt Gingrich, the man who did the PNAC’s inside dirty work in 1998, leading the charge for Bill Clinton’s impeachment in 1998 while simultaneously the Republicans were pushing action against Iraq
Max Kampelman, PNAC signatory on Hong Kong letter
Joe Lieberman, the so-called independent who has supported the neoconservative agenda at every step
James Woolsey, PNAC signatory on Iraq Clinton letter and several others
Board of Advisors
Gary Bauer, PNAC signatory
Eric Cantor
Eliot Engel
Frank Gaffney, PNAC signatory
Marc Ginsberg, signatory, PNAC letter on Russia
Charles Jacobs, noted anti-Muslim racist
Charles Krauthammer, signatory, PNAC Iraq Clinton letter
Bill Kristol, founder, PNAC
Richard Lamm
Jim Marshall
Zell Miller, another Democratic traitor who backed W in 2004
Richard Perle, the prince of darkness itself, and of course a PNAC signatory
Steven Pomerantz, former FBI, an intelligence profiteer
Oliver “Buck” Revell, former FBI, another intelligence profiteer
There is also a good profile of FDD on Rightweb.
The formula is the same — neoconservatives, war profiteers, and Israel-firsters banding together to create more war and more terrorism — but this time not in the name of U.S. security but even more cynically in the name of spreading democracy.
We have already seen the results of this policy in Iraq. It is an abysmal failure.
Any questions?

FDD leverages the power of the media and our network of contacts in government and the policy community to bring powerful stories and compelling new voices before American and international audiences. Our campaigns shape how the public and policy makers view the war against terrorism and the worldwide effort to promote democratic values.

Good afternoon, boys and girls. Today, our word will be MOSSAD. Can you spell MOSSAD?

According to the FDD, the organization “was founded shortly after 9/11 by a group of visionary philanthropists and policymakers to engage in the worldwide war of ideas and to support the defense of democratic societies under assault by terrorism and Militant Islamism.” A 2003 report published by the American Conservative indicates that the origins of FDD can be traced back to an effort to gain support for Israel’s response to the Palestinian Intifada and to diminish public outcry against Israeli actions. Its predecessor was known as EMET [which means “truth” in Hebrew]: An Educational Initiative, Inc., which was founded in early 2001 by the same donors who provided the initial support for the FDD. EMET was conceived as a public relations effort to support Israel through offices in Washington and Israel. In addition to its media work, EMET initiated educational tours to Israel for U.S. university students and professors (see Daniel McCarthy, “Most Favored Democracy,” American Conservative).
After 9/11, EMET evolved into FDD, with Clifford May as president and Nir Boms as vice president; Boms had been the central figure in EMET. (Boms, a member of Benador Associates, is no longer with FDD.) FDD operates an educational exchange program, similar to what EMET did but on a larger scale, which accepts students and professors who are interested in being activists in Israeli counterterrorism.
Although the FDD’s mission statement makes no mention of Israel, the foundation’s public statements and operations concern Israel to a great degree. ,b>FDD associates and staff are outspoken proponents of the hardliners in Israel, including May, Krauthammer, Perle, and Bill Kristol. FDD adviser Charles Jacobs has been a prominent spokesperson for the National Unity Coalition for Israel (NUCI), which according to Jacobs is “giving voice” to pro-Israel evangelical Christians (New York Times, January 21, 1998).
Numerous FDD principals have been associated with the Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative institute that was one of the leading promoters of the Iraq War and the Bush administration’s aggressive security doctrine. These include Woolsey, Gaffney, Kristol, Forbes, Perle, Kirkpatrick, and Krauthammer.
In spring 2002, in an apparent effort to thwart Bush administration initiatives to reopen peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israel, the FDD aired 30-second television spots that conflated Yasser Arafat with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Opening with the words “The Suicide Strategy,” the ads stated: “It was used by terrorists against America on September 11. It’s being used by terrorists against Israel day after day. … The suicide strategy threatens all of us—all those who are hated as ‘infidels.’ … If we appease terrorism, we’ll get more terrorism. Our way of life is threatened. … Never appease terrorism” (Inter Press Service, April 26, 2002). The video’s producer was Boms, the former officer of public and academic affairs for the Israeli Embassy in Washington who served as FDD’s vice president (Alternet, October 10, 2003).
Although the FDD is an ardent critic of terrorism, it has not criticized actions taken by Israel against Palestinians that arguably fall into this category. Wrote Ismail Royer, a former researcher for the Council on American-Islamic Relations: “FDD Senior Adviser Walid Phares has had a long and close relationship with the Guardians of the Cedar, a pro-Israel Lebanese militia. The group, which in 1976 led the massacre of at least 3,000 Palestinian men, women, and children at the Tel al-Za’atar refugee camp near Beirut (and continues to call the massacre a ‘cleansing’), is labeled ‘an extremist Christian group’ by the U.S. State Department. The Congressional Research Service labels them an ‘extremist Maronite militia and terrorist organization‘” (Antiwar.com, September 26, 2002).
In late February 2004, the FDD submitted a supporting brief to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which was considering a Palestinian petition to have the massive wall Israel is building condemned as a breach of international law. …
According to the FDD, it receives money from “a diverse group of individual philanthropists” and “does not accept any government funding.” An investigative report in the American Conservative put the FDD’s annual budget at close to $3 million (American Conservative, November 17, 2003). According to the American Conservative report, the FDD relies on the support of 27 individual high-end donors, including Leonard Abramson of U.S. Healthcare; New York financier Michael Steinhardt; Edgar S. Bronfman Sr., patriarch of Seagrams and president of the Jewish World Congress, and his brother Charles Bronfman; and Lynn Schusterman, widow of Oklahoma oil executive Charles Schusterman. In 2002, the FDD received $250,000 apiece from Edgar Bronfman, Michael Steinhardt, and Home Depot founder Bernard Marcus. Other donors who each gave $100,000 included Abramson, Charles Bronfman, Lynn Schusterman, and Dalck Feith (father of Douglas Feith). In its Form 990 tax form for 2004, FDD indicated that Ameriquest Capital had donated a generous $1.55 million to the foundation. The forms also showed Clifford May’s salary at more than $305,000 a year in 2004. The FDD also receives funding from the State Department for its democracy programs and has worked in tandem with the U.S.-government funded NED. In 2004, the Sarah Scaife Foundation granted the FDD $125,000 for general operating expenses, and a combined $275,000 in 2005 for program and project support. In 2005 FDD had assets of close to $5.5 million, according to MediaTransparency.org.

Foundation for Defense of Democracies
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1475
I have my reasons for not linking to them above, I don’t want them here, or backtracking to here nor do I want them to know we are talking about them.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 7:03 utc | 52

Uncle, I didn’t see Chuck Schumer’s name on list above. I know he was on it ‘cuz as soon as attention was drawn to it in last few days, he & donna Bazille quickly resigned- y’all know Chuckie, the punk who told boyking to nominate Mukasey for AG… But something strange is going on if Bronfman’s names are on list – they’re very Liberal Jews…
Did everyone see the stunt Comcast pulled – packing a Net Neutrality Meeting @Harvard, of all places, w/clowns they paid to attend so no one else could get in. This could turn into the gift that keeps on giving – Comcast Blocks entrance to FCC Net Neutrality Meeting @ HARVARD thanks guys, we couldn’t have thought of a way to make the point any more elegantly for any amt. of money – reporters who were denied access should get very interested in the issue about now…

Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 8:02 utc | 53

Some good news from Pentagon of all places…Several Generals/Admirals set to resign if boyking Attacks Iran

Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 8:08 utc | 54

regarding the anti-depressants news of late…
Thought some may find the following of interest.
Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures [video]
I have long been been an admirer of R.D Laing. Laing’s theories became more developed when he concluded that some forms of mental illness were merely artificial labels, used by the state to suppress individual suffering.
This belief became a staple tenet of counterculture during the 1960s. Reference is made to the Rosenhan experiment, in which bogus patients, surreptitiously self-presenting at a number of American psychiatric institutions, were falsely diagnosed as having mental disorders, while institutions, informed that they were to receive bogus patients, “identified” numerous supposed imposters who were actually genuine patients. The results of the experiment were a disaster for American psychiatry, because they destroyed the idea that psychiatrists were a privileged elite able to genuinely diagnose, and therefore treat, mental illness.
See, The Trap.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 8:34 utc | 55

jj @ 53
you can find chuckie at the the wayback machine

Posted by: dan of steel | Feb 28 2008 10:48 utc | 56

Been reading Robert Fisk’s ‘The Great War for Civilization.’ His account of the various Israeli/Palestinian peace (sic) processes are some of the most depressing, enraging words I’ve read in years.

Posted by: Tantalus | Feb 28 2008 14:42 utc | 57

tantalus
fisk great tôme is a solid work
& yes it is depressing as hell
without equivocation – he understands clearly – as walter benjamin understood perhaps metaphysically – that it is ‘western civilisation’ which is the cultrue of barbarians

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2008 15:32 utc | 58

geldof’s time interview w/ bush in africa – Geldof and Bush: Diary From the Road
pretty weak stuff that does more for bush than africans. (but what else would one expect from time or sir bob?)

At one point I suggest that he will never be given credit for good policies, like those here in Africa, because many people view him “as a walking crime against humanity.” He looks very hurt by that. And I’m sorry I said it, because he’s a very likable fellow.

yes, the great geldof, responsible for such insights into the african condition as
And there won’t be snow in Africa this Christmastime
The greatest gift they’ll get this year is life
(Oooh) Where nothing ever grows
No rain nor rivers flow
Do they know it’s Christmastime at all?

Feed the world

and not to leave out bono’s compassionate contribution
Well tonight thank God it’s them instead of you

Posted by: b real | Feb 28 2008 15:56 utc | 59

Adding to Tantalus – James Petras: The Israeli Agenda and the Scorecard of the Zionist Power Configuration for 2008

The strategy of the Jewish state is the complete Zionization of Palestine, the takeover of land, water, offshore gas (estimated to be worth $4 billion dollars) and other economic resources and the total dispossession of the Palestinian people. Tel Aviv’s tactics have included daily military assaults, giant walls ghettoizing entire Palestinian towns, military outposts and controls undermining commerce and production to force bankruptcy, poverty, severe deprivation and population flight. The second priority of the Israeli colonial state is to bolster the Jewish state’s political and military supremacy in the Middle East, using preposterous arguments of ‘survival’ and ‘existential threats’. The key postulate of Israeli Middle East policy is to destroy or intimidate the principle adversaries of its Zionization of Palestine and its expansionist Middle East policy.

Recommended …

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2008 15:58 utc | 60

the following fits in w/ #40 above, which reported that

..the Brookings Institution’s Susan Rice, who co-authored the index, said there had not been a big enough focus, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa where most critically weak states were located.
“For all of our newfound rhetoric after 9/11, the U.S. government has yet to generate any kind of coherent approach to strengthening the capacity of weak states,” Rice, who is also an adviser to Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama, told Reuters.

democracynow: Jeremy Scahill: Despite Antiwar Rhetoric, Clinton-Obama Plans Would Keep US Mercenaries, Troops in Iraq for Years to Come

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, let me ask you, in terms of this whole issue of mercenaries in general, I mean, are we facing the possibility that a Democratic president would in essence reduce the troops but increase the mercenaries?
JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, Juan, this is a great question, and it was one of the reasons why I started looking at this. I want to read you a quote here. Joseph Schmitz, who’s one of the leading executives in the Blackwater empire, recently said this: “There is a scenario where we could as a government, the United States, could pull back the military footprint, and there would then be more of a need for private contractors to go in.” So apparently these contractors see a silver lining in that scenario. You know, the reality is, right now, that these forces are one of the most significant threats to Iraqis in the country. I mean, we’ve seen scores of incidents where they’ve shot at them, etc.
But as you know, Juan, this is a bipartisan industry. I mean, Bill Clinton really gave rise to this phenomenon of the military contractors. We know that Dick Cheney was running Halliburton in the ’90s. Who was giving Dick Cheney all of those contracts? Well, it was Bill Clinton. And the Democrats have long been good for the war contracting industry. There’s a reason why Hillary Clinton is the number one recipient of campaign contributions from the defense industry. Number two is John McCain. Obama is number four. Chris Dodd is ahead of him. It’s very interesting. It’s a bipartisan phenomenon.

[on the topic of increased troops]

And I mean, you know, the reality is that now would be the time for people to raise these issues, and yet no one is talking about this. It’s “Oh, yeah, Barack Obama is going to withdraw troops from Iraq.” Well, not exactly. He’s actually looking at keeping a pretty sizeable deployment. The other thing about them is they’re both calling for an increase in the number of troops in the permanent US military. In the case of Obama—and Juan, you’ve brought this up recently on the show—in the case of Obama, he says 90,000 new troops. Well, that’s going to be a $15 billion increase in military funding just for those troops to be in the United States, not including their deployment.
The other thing is that Obama is saying he wants to increase the US occupation of Afghanistan by 7,000 troops. What’s interesting is that we see Hillary Clinton, in her Iraq rhetoric, trying to move to the left; Obama, I think, now feeling that he’s going to be facing John McCain, is moving to the right.

JUAN GONZALEZ: I wanted to ask you specifically about this whole question of the increase in troops, because when I asked Samantha Power, as his foreign policy adviser, about this issue, she talked about the US military being stretched and the need for even in peacekeeping to have what she called “boots on the ground” and that weren’t sufficient. But the reality is obviously that there are many American troops in other parts of the world, like South Korea, like Japan, like, to some degree, Europe, that are not being—not—doing nothing else except occupying those countries, and they could be redeployed if the Army needed more troops.
JEREMY SCAHILL: Right. I mean, what that indicates, I think, is that Obama is going to have an interventionist, expansionist foreign policy. I mean, that certainly was the policy of the Clinton administration. I mean, in fairness, though, Barack Obama, more than Hillary Clinton and certainly more than John McCain, who’s talking about having troops in Iraq for a hundred years, Obama is talking about trying to increase the UN presence in Iraq. He’s trying to bring in regional countries. I mean, he has a pretty serious diplomatic plan for Iraq. The problem is that it doesn’t cancel out his military plan.

scahill’s latest article up at the nation
Obama’s Mercenary Position

A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not “rule out” using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in. Obama’s campaign says that instead he will focus on bringing accountability to these forces while increasing funding for the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the agency that employs Blackwater and other private security contractors.

Posted by: b real | Feb 28 2008 18:00 utc | 61

Wired has so far unpublished Abu Graibh pictures. There must be many more. Show them!

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2008 19:20 utc | 62

Some may have missed the death of William F. Buckley
And regarding the Abu Graibh pictures, I asked on another board, So our friend psychologist Philip Zimbardo can release photos he has in private collection?
For myself, this revelation begs the questions, a) what other individual citizen has unpublished and unseen photos in their possession or ‘private collection’? And b) they can just release them when ever it suits them? You know, when they want to sell books?
That reeks of grandiose opportunism to me. And is repugnant. But part and parcel of the sick craven burlesque show we’ve come to endure, I guess.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 22:06 utc | 63

Just saw Scahill on DN. He was great and he raises great questions. I do believe Obama will pursue an aggressive foriegn policy. But it will be more discrete. He will use special forces and black ops.
Just before I turned to DN I watched that weasel Tucker and he had Susan Rice, one of Obamas foriegn policy people. She was good at putting forth Obamas position and she is very on the ball. But yes, he will be interventionist, only you will only hear about it through news after its already done. We will be using the Kennedy model.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 28 2008 23:41 utc | 64

so whose Obama going to intervene against or use Blackwater against ? His foreign policy agenda suggests that unlike Bush/McCain he intends to place the focus on where he perceives as the source of “real” threats (Afghanistan, Pakistan), rather than Iraq.
its a very important difference.
who knows, Blackwater might turnn out to be a useful resource if & when the next tsunami hits.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 29 2008 1:14 utc | 65

if the USA is lucky, it may undergo a process of de-militarism under the next president.
in fact it has already began. The increasing turn to mercenaries is proof that open & public militarism (i.e. shock & awe) has tended towards diminished returns. And its only a matter of time before the weaknesses of mercenary-militarism are exposed. We’ve been though that cycle before.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 29 2008 2:09 utc | 66

Well, finally,something good has happened in America. Obamination’s Patron, Zbig, Fled the Terra Reservation leaving us the helpful term “terror entrepreneurs”. I won’t excerpt this, as it’s worth reading in full. The other excellent news is that WaPo actually published this, putting it officially in play. The only downside is that he focuses too much on its impact on MaleMuslims rather than its impact on our Constitution. If all we get out of this is that they’re protected, rather than the entire Police State Edifice is shredded we’re still effed. But here’s hoping! Terrorized by ‘War on Terror’ -How a Three-Word Mantra Has Undermined America”

Posted by: jj | Feb 29 2008 4:29 utc | 67

zbig wrote But the little secret here may be that the vagueness of the phrase was deliberately (or instinctively) calculated by its sponsors.
no shit. is someone supposed to be surprised?
there was a very deliberate effort to do this not long after carter was pushed out & his emphasis on human rights was replaced by reagan’s war on terror, well before the son of a bush got the nod.
edward peck

In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, they asked us—this is a Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism; I was the Deputy Director of the working group—they asked us to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities.
After the task force concluded its work, Congress got into it, and you can google into U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2331, and read the U.S. definition of terrorism. And one of them in here says—one of the terms, “international terrorism,” means “activities that,” I quote, “appear to be intended to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.”
Yes, well, certainly, you can think of a number of countries that have been involved in such activities. Ours is one of them. Israel is another. And so, the terrorist, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.

or whoever controls the PA system

Posted by: b real | Feb 29 2008 5:50 utc | 68

Cuba signs human rights accords
There is absolutely no excuse for the US not to normalize relations with Cuba, but don’t expect anything soon by the closed minded politicans in Washington.

The Covenant on Civil and Political Rights guarantees “civil and political freedom” including the right to self-determination and peaceful assembly, to freedom of religion and freedom to leave the country, and to equal protection before the law.
It also bans unlawful interference with privacy.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 29 2008 9:57 utc | 69

per b‘s #62…
Stanford University’s Philip Zimbardo makes the case that it wasn’t inherent rottenness, but the “Lucifer Effect” which turned all those good, honest, God-fearin’ US soldiers into sadistic, twisted tormentors at Abu Ghraib.
“The Devil made me do it.” Yeah. In a Christian theocracy, that defense will, nauseatingly, go pretty far. At least it’s slightly less patently disgusting than “These were just frat pranks.”
Why doesn’t anyone twig on to the obvious answer that the culture produces sick, twisted fucks? Oh, yeah… this is an election year and we don’t won’t want to actually tell anyone that their baby is ugly.
But the apologist Dr. Zimbardo comes tantalizingly close to making a very genuine observation while pussyfooting around with the trite rationalizations: “If you give people power without oversight it is a formula for abuse.”
Now, where-oh-where can we look for people given “power without oversight”…? I’m sure the dank, dungeons of Iraq or some other third world hole will give us all manner of “powerful” and “unsupervised” folk. No need to look for that in your own backyard. No need to apply that formula to the TASER-happy cops on every street corner of the USA or the bullying TSA agents waiting in every airport to flex their authoritive muscles. We should certainly not apply that maxim to a demonstrably corrupt executive, legislative and judicial branch of US government who only classify something as torture if it might be applied to them.
Let’s keep coming up with excuses about how what happened at Abu Ghraib is exceptional and does not represent who we are. And, you know, I’m aiming this scattershot at non-US citizens and governments as well. Western culture produces sickness… maliciousness… inhumanity… exceptionalism… and all the rest. US citizens are not psychologically, genetically, culturally or in any quantifiable way special enough for this to only apply to them. Every new piece of data which points to the inescapable conclusion that humans are disgusting causes us to jump through new hoops to point to why it is “those guys” that are really the disgusting ones… or “that circumstance” that caused them to be that way.
The root of exceptionalism is that we don’t see any of this as applying to us.

Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 29 2008 16:32 utc | 70

Where do the little bananas come from?

Posted by: b | Mar 1 2008 11:43 utc | 71

Weekend Reading Barflies??
In 1965 executives at Shell wanted to know what the world would look like in th year 2000. They consulted a range of experts, who speculated about fusion-powered hovercrafts and “all sorts of fanciful technological stuff”. When the oi company asked the scientist James Lovelock, he predicted that the main problem i 2000 would be the environment. “It will be worsening then to such an extent that i will seriously affect their business,” he said
“And of course,” Lovelock says, with a smile 43 years later, “that’s almost exactly what’s happened.”
As with most people, my panic about climate change is equalled only by my confusion over what I ought to do about it. A meeting with Lovelock therefore feels a little like an audience with a prophet. …

On the day we meet, the Daily Mail has launched a campaign to rid Britain of plastic shopping bags. The initiative sits comfortably within the current canon of eco ideas, next to ethical consumption, carbon offsetting, recycling and so on – all of which are premised on the calculation that individual lifestyle adjustments can still save the planet. This is, Lovelock says, a deluded fantasy. Most of the things we have been told to do might make us feel better, but they won’t make any difference. Global warming has passed the tipping point, and catastrophe is unstoppable.
“It’s just too late for it,” he says. “Perhaps if we’d gone along routes like that in 1967, it might have helped. But we don’t have time. All these standard green things, like sustainable development, I think these are just words that mean nothing. I get an awful lot of people coming to me saying you can’t say that, because it gives us nothing to do. I say on the contrary, it gives us an immense amount to do. Just not the kinds of things you want to do.”
He dismisses eco ideas briskly, one by one. “Carbon offsetting? I wouldn’t dream of it. It’s just a joke. To pay money to plant trees, to think you’re offsetting the carbon? You’re probably making matters worse. You’re far better off giving to the charity Cool Earth, which gives the money to the native peoples to not take down their forests.”
You’re never going to get enough energy from wind to run a society such as ours,” he says. “Windmills! Oh no. No way of doing it. You can cover the whole country with the blasted things, millions of them. Waste of time.”
This is all delivered with an air of benign wonder at the intractable stupidity of people. “I see it with everybody. People just want to go on doing what they’re doing. They want business as usual. They say, ‘Oh yes, there’s going to be a problem up ahead,’ but they don’t want to change anything.”
Lovelock believes global warming is now irreversible, and that nothing can prevent large parts of the planet becoming too hot to inhabit, or sinking underwater, resulting in mass migration, famine and epidemics. Britain is going to become a lifeboat for refugees from mainland Europe, so instead of wasting our time on wind turbines we need to start planning how to survive. To Lovelock, the logic is clear. The sustainability brigade are insane to think we can save ourselves by going back to nature; our only chance of survival will come not from less technology, but more.
Nuclear power, he argues, can solve our energy problem – the bigger challenge will be food. …

“There have been seven disasters since humans came on the earth, very similar to the one that’s just about to happen. I think these events keep separating the wheat from the chaff. And eventually we’ll have a human on the planet that really does understand it and can live with it properly. That’s the source of my optimism.”
What would Lovelock do now, I ask, if he were me? He smiles and says: “Enjoy life while you can. Because if you’re lucky it’s going to be 20 years before it hits the fan.”
Guardian’s Welcome to Spring Interview w/Jim Lovelock
This is what happens when we’re trapped under an arrogant elite. Even the hippies knew things had to be changed quickly to save the earth & our sanity…
Everything you hate about the mass press – zero attempt to marshall evidence in favor of his thesis that we’ve passed the tipping point…but the Good News is 20 year explosion of hedonism, make Abortions a Sacrament so there are fewer humans to suffer, and keep your pistol handy for convenience on Reckoning Day.

Posted by: jj | Mar 1 2008 22:55 utc | 72

British soldier killed in rocket attack in Basra

Baghdad, Mar 1, (VOI)-A British airman was killed in a rocket attack on a military base in Basra, the British Ministry of Defense said on Saturday.
“The serviceman, attached to the Royal Air Force’s 903 Expeditionary Air Wing, was killed in the attack at about 2130 local time (1830 GMT) on Friday” the British Ministry of Defense (MOD) said in a press release received by Aswat al-Iraq-Voices of Iraq- (VOI).
(snip)

Posted by: Alamet | Mar 2 2008 1:19 utc | 73

Kind of interesting to see what kind of information is collected about us who visit here.

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 10:11 utc | 74

@dan of steele (#74): Where do the majority of those demographics come from? I’ve volunteered an absurd amount of personal information that could possibly be scraped together (although I think a human would have to do it and would have to scour the archives… and trust that I wasn’t confabulating), but most of the lurkers/regulars haven’t. I don’t even believe I know with any certainty the gender of most of the regulars, much less the median income of a drive-by. The site meter just tells us where people are dialing in from (and, in my case, it says “unknown country” unless I specifically allow it more info by going to an internet cafe to check in here).
So is this like one of those giant government databases that we can expect to be full to overflowing with false positives, or is this like the marketing scheme that is Facebook, which is only trying to sell your beliefs and preferences to the highest bidder based on a nebulous logarithm? Seriously, is this POA (pulled out of… um, the air) or is there something I’m missing?
btw, thanks for the Bananenfabrik, b. I’d always kind of wondered. That should have made it to the front page! *,~

Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:31 utc | 75

dos#74,
Try seeing what they have to say about other blogs, most of what I read they either have no info, or similar to MoA profile. Think they’re trolling for potential advertisers.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 2 2008 10:43 utc | 76

Did I pick this story up from here or another blog…? I can’t remember. Maybe the Thought Police could kindly check their database and let me know.
Data-mining detects the disaffected
Snip…

Here’s another reason to get off that antisocial kick and get with the networking.
The Air Force is developing a data-mining technology meant to root out disaffected insiders based on their e-mail activity–or lack thereof, according to an article in this month’s International Journal of Security and Networks.
The technology, based on something called Probabilistic Latent Semantic Indexing (PDF), scours an organization’s e-mail traffic and constructs a graph of social network interactions illustrating employee activity. If a worker suddenly stops socializing online, abruptly shifts alliances within the organization, or starts developing an unhealthy interest in “sensitive topics,” the system detects it and alerts investigators.

Unhealthy interest“…? Seriously…? I s’pose I’m safe enough since my “habits” are already erratic, unfriendly and disenfranchised.

Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:48 utc | 77

@anna missed (#76): I’m looking into my crystal ball here and proposing that most people who visit your target site either own or have access to a computer…
That’ll be two thousand dollars, please.

Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:50 utc | 78

From dos’s #74 link …
The typical visitor reads Daily Kos? hahaha…geez.
Kinda reminds me of The Mathematical Structure of Terrorism.
Just a matter of time now, where the PTB will be using the numbers to profile individual comments and dissent. That’s of course, assuming they aren’t already doing it. I mean you know, if they are tracking geek minds,
U.S. to Pay Millions to Spy on Gamers.
next thing you know, they’ll be Data-mining the disaffected as part of their Military psychobiology to track the algorithm of social dissent.

The Air Force is developing a data-mining technology meant to root out disaffected insiders based on their e-mail activity–or lack thereof, according to an article in this month’s International Journal of Security and Networks.
The technology, based on something called Probabilistic Latent Semantic Indexing (PDF), scours an organization’s e-mail traffic and constructs a graph of social network interactions illustrating employee activity. If a worker suddenly stops socializing online, abruptly shifts alliances within the organization, or starts developing an unhealthy interest in “sensitive topics,” the system detects it and alerts investigators.

using an AI platform project to track the algorithms of the enemy aka the US citizens, employing sociology and psychobiology to combat terrorism opposition.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 2 2008 10:58 utc | 79

ref my #74
if you view the source code of the html at MoA you will find all the way at the bottom a Quantcast tag which runs a javascript and uses a very small gif (35 bytes) to tag us. I assume that gif is searched for in our browser temporary files folders when we visit other sites that are running the Quantcast tracker.
I had heard of single pixel trackers before but honestly this is the first time I see it in action.

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 11:22 utc | 80

For the global warming true believers.
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

Posted by: DM | Mar 2 2008 11:58 utc | 81

if you view the source code of the html at MoA you will find all the way at the bottom a Quantcast tag which runs a javascript and uses a very small gif (35 bytes) to tag us. I assume that gif is searched for in our browser temporary files folders when we visit other sites that are running the Quantcast tracker.
Thanks for finding that Dan – I certainly did not put it there and it is not in the page design I can access. Seems like Typepad put it there without informing their customers. Again a reason to raise hell with them.

Posted by: b | Mar 2 2008 12:57 utc | 82

MoA readers have 8.6x Affinity for U.S. Geological Survey? Great to know.
Just get Firefox with the NoScript plugin, ban edge.quantserve.com (and all the google-scripts). Cookie Safe Lite is also nice, and when you get used to have Adblock activated you will wonder how you could possibly have used www without it.

Posted by: snafu | Mar 2 2008 18:30 utc | 83

thanks for the NoScript plugin snafu.
that’s seem to be just what I was looking for

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 19:15 utc | 84

Celebrating A Ship Born Of Tragedy

The USS New York Contains 7.5 Tons Of Steel From The Ruins Of The World Trade Center

Damn…it’s like a serial killer fashioning a weapon out of the bones of it’s victims, that this dinghy of death was built just outside of New Orleans adds that little extra something to it, doesn’t it.
There’s a video clip at the CBS link – you get to see Dottly (the Dep. Sec Def’s wife) gleefully smash a bottle of champaign against the hull.
The ENTIRE ship itself…is a psy-op meant to institutionalize 9/11 “revenge” lies into military culture for decades, just like the actual events of 9/11.
“Never forget”, indeed. “‘Never forget’ what we can do to you.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 1:37 utc | 85

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and so on

Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 4:09 utc | 86

b real, this russel means clip made me think of you.
hope all is as well as can be here at moa. if there are others reading in the nyc area, there is an impeachment forum coming up next sunday – bruce fein, liz holtzman, scott horton speaking for free at judson memorial church, 50 washington sq. so., judson memorial church, march 9 4-6p. an event driven by grassroots activism under the banner asknadler2impeach.org.

Posted by: conchita | Mar 3 2008 5:25 utc | 87

@dan of steele #74
The funniest thing about that stats page is the graph showing that 100% of the MOA audience are “passers by” and 0% are “addicts.”
Obviously bogus data… LOL.

Posted by: Bea | Mar 3 2008 6:03 utc | 88

Turns out both Clinton and Obama’s top finance people are original gangsters of the sub-prime loan school, Penny Pritzker for Obama, and Jay Robert Pritzker for Clinton’s “citizens for Hillary Clinton”. Seems like the Pritzkers are on top of these potential demotic threats to the predator class.
To learn more, search “Superior Bank” (went Enron in 2001) and “Pritzker”, or just read this Consortium News story.
Still hoping the impending financial disaster makes Obama a free man, but nice to see that our overlords are not lacking in the Calvinist proofs of salvation – growing wealth amidst disaster & unflagging, ubiquitous effort.

Posted by: citizen | Mar 3 2008 6:17 utc | 89

thank you, conchita. means is very adept at generating publicity. important point too about reponsibility & freedom. recently heard john trudell remind us that there can be no freedom w/o responsibility. what’s the point of freedom if all you’re doing is giving another the freedom to exploit you or anyone/thing else? so any rhetoric that focuses solely on advancing freedom is not to be trusted.
i wish means & the lakota republic the best in realizing their objectives & goal. however, i have to say that crazy horse’s dream & the prophecy it foretold for both himself & his people has occupied my mind for a long time, examining & re-examining the message contained w/i. granted, the dream was for tasunke witko (“his crazy horse”), or, more accurately, jiji kin (“the light-haired one”), which was what he was called at that time, prior to his father passing over his own, and it occured in a specific context & period of time, having nothing to do w/ any of us. but the way his life played out, the magnitude of the changes which he & his people experienced in their lifetimes, and the very stark choices they were faced w/, all combine to present, IMO, a lesson about ourselves & our way of living that must be addressed. we are already warriors. much as the main problem crazy horse was faced w/, to defeat our enemies (ourselves) we must come to know them (ourselves) in every way.
from joseph m. marshall’s the journey of crazy horse: a lakota history

The dream began at a lake, a small still lake. Bursting upward from the blue calmness, a horse and its rider broke through the surface and rode out across the land. The rider was a man, a slender man who wore his hair loose. A stone was tied behind his left ear, a reddish brown stone. A lightning mark was painted across one side of his face. On his bare chest were blue hailstones. Behind them to the west as they galloped was a dark, rolling cloud rising higher and higher. From it came the deep rumble of thunder and flashes of lightning. The horse was strong and swift and it changed colors: red, yellow, black, white, and blue. Bullets and arrows suddenly filled the air, flying at the horse and the rider, but they all passed without touching them. Close above them flew a red-tailed hawk, sending out its shrill cry. People, his own kind, suddenly rose up all around and grabbed the rider, pulling him down from behind. And the dream ended.

Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 6:46 utc | 90

Attempt to land an A320 during a storm here 2 days ago: Liveleak

Posted by: b | Mar 3 2008 9:59 utc | 91

Re: data-mining and profiling dissent, I’d encourage MOA’s to download and read the Rand corporations project called,Atypical Signal Analysis Processing.
Found here: Out of the Ordinary: Finding Hidden Threats by Analyzing Unusual behavior (pdf)
the schema works like this: Information on “watched entities”–people, places, things, and financial services suspected as being relevant to terrorist activity against infrastructure or commerce or of course, the status quo by collecting all data: Washington Post: Bush Wants Telecom Immunity Because Lawsuits Could Reveal That “Everybody In The Country” Has Been Spied On and running it through linguistic, semantic and syntax processing to find neural speech text behavior patterns. And I suspect auditory processing, I have long suspected that they are recording out voices for future nefarious uses. Highly speculative of course, but if there’s a buck to be made in the credit/debit procurement department…
Just as back in the late eighties when the whole menu, press 1 for ____ or 2 for___ crap started, it was billed as a service to better serve you. Remember that? Well we all know it wasn’t to serve us, but part of the business model to put the burden onto the customers and save millions in not having to pay for customer care. Anyway, how many people here have experienced the new Menu 2.0 Adaptive voice recognition menu method and system which is different from the voice and speech recognition software. The Voice-recognition phone menus have automated speech-enabled responses to caller requests for information which prompts caller requests for information from a menu that lists different choices. It conditions us to interact with machines software on a cognitive scale. Creepy no? Anyway… there’s more…
Dr. Disney Haseltine is the Big Brother doing the National Security Agency’s Total Information Awareness surveillance and data mining DARPA project surveillance of our everyday lives cleverly called by NSA a nice sterile academic name…”informatics.”
NSA looks to informatics to connect dots “Informatics?” Cool!
Gosh, who doesn’t want to be…”informed?” Sounds downright democratic, doesn’t it?
Finally,
Interesting IP sniffing stuff here

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 11:30 utc | 92

U.S. Missile Strike Hits Town In Somalia

(CBS/AP) The U.S. launched a military missile strike Monday targeting a terrorist suspect in a Somali town held by Islamic extremists, officials said. Residents and police in the town said a home was destroyed and at least eight people, including four children, were seriously injured.
“It was a deliberate, precise strike against a known terrorist and his associates,” one U.S. military official said in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment on the record.
The targets were believed staying in building known to be used regularly by terrorist suspects, he said. Last year, the U.S. shelled suspected al Qaeda targets in Somalia, using gunfire from a U.S. Navy ship offshore.
In Dobley, some four miles from the Kenyan border, Fatuma Abdullahi told The Associated Press she woke to a “loud and a big bang and when we came out we found our neighbor’s house completely obliterated as if no house existed here.
“We are taking shelter under trees. Three planes were flying over our heads.”

the reuters report:

Two missiles hit a house in southern Somalia on Monday, in an attack the United States said was directed at “a known al Qaeda terrorist”.
It was the fourth U.S. strike in 14 months on Somalia, where Washington believes Islamists are giving shelter to wanted al Qaeda figures.
“This attack was against a known al Qaeda terrorist,” Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said in Washington.
“As we have repeatedly said, we will continue to pursue terrorist activities and their operations wherever we may find them,” he said, declining to provide details of the operation.
Residents of Dobley, a remote Somali town 220 km (140 miles) from the southern port city of Kismayu on the Kenyan border, said they believed the missiles were targeting senior Islamist leaders meeting nearby.
Dobley district commissioner Ali Hussein Nur said six people were killed. A local politician, who had visited the scene and who asked not to be named, said only three were wounded.
A militant Islamist organisation, the Mujahideen Youth Group, said in a posting on a Web site often used by al Qaeda and its supporters that the U.S. attack had “failed to hit leaders” of the group.

dobley is one of the border towns that the u.s. attacked in early 2007, killing civilians & livestock while claiming to be targeting “alleged” AQ baddies. so much for hearts & minds.
in #46 above, i linked to a rpt from shabelle media that

(Shabelle.net/english-27.02.08) – Kenyan special RDU anti-terrorism armed and border patrolling forces have entirely withdrawn from their main army base on the border with Somalia on Wednesday residents said.
These forces from several countries were parts of USA’s AFRICOM command forces have been on the frontier between Somalia and Kenya for long time and the residents close to the force’s campgrounds have expressed additional concern on the soldier’s behavior.
Residents also told Shabelle English service that the troops have vacated from more ten locations of their military camps on the border.
Its unidentified the motivation behind the force’s withdrawal although as Shabelle made contact with some Kenyan officials no comment could be available from them apropos of the troop’s pulling out from the border.

on sunday, the somali govt forcefully shut down shabelle and two other media. here’s the reuters article on that, written in part by aweys yusuf, who used to be a key shabelle reporter prior to fleeing for his life after repeated govt repression last year
Somali troops raid three radio stations

MOGADISHU, March 2 (Reuters) – Somali forces closed down three radio stations during raids in search of suspected Islamist insurgents on Sunday, the stations’ directors said.
Troops moved against the independent stations a day after a gunfight in Mogadishu’s central market between insurgents and government troops backed by Ethiopian forces killed nine people.
Employees of Horn Afrik, Shabelle and Simba radios said troops took computers, cameras and radio equipment.

Shabelle radio’s news editor, Abdi Ismail Abdi-ud, said the soldiers took two computers and two sound mixing machines. They briefly detained the station’s acting director, Mukhtar Mohamed Hirabe.
“They did not say we are closed but we cannot operate … I believe the government is still showing its heavy-handedness on the free media in Somalia,” he said.
“It is silencing us because it does not want the radios to report that soldiers are looting properties in Bakara market.”

saturday had seen heavy fighting & casualities in mogadishu near the bakara market. there have been reports of govt forces looting the market in the past two weeks as retaliation for ongoing attacks against their forces in the vicinity. closing down the media (again) allows for more aggressive actions w/o the rest of the world having to hear about it. could there have been a connection in the timing of the shutdown of the local media on sunday and the missile attacks on monday?

Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 19:47 utc | 93

differing accounts right now on the missile strikes in dobley
from the nyt report

American naval forces fired missiles into southern Somalia on Monday, aiming at what the Defense Department called terrorist targets.
Residents reached by telephone said the only casualties were three wounded civilians, three dead cows, one dead donkey and a partly destroyed house.
Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman in Washington, said the target was a “known Al Qaeda terrorist,” and another American military official said the attack was carried out with at least two Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from a submarine. The official said the missiles were believed to have hit their targets, but did not elaborate on the targets.
Witnesses on the ground, though, described the attack differently.
“I did not know from where they were launched, but what I know is that they hit a house in this town,” said Mohammed Amin Abdullahi Osman, a resident of Dhobley, a small town in southern Somalia near the Kenyan border.
Mr. Mohammed said two missiles crashed into the house around 3:30 a.m.

a voa rpt

In Somalia, several dozen residents of Dobley town, near the Kenyan border, are reportedly trying to cross into Kenya following a U.S. military air strike that was aimed at terror suspects in the area. VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu has details from our East Africa Bureau in Nairobi.
Eyewitness Abdi Mohamed Ali tells VOA that the residents of Dobley, about six kilometers from the Kenyan border, were shaken from their beds early Monday by a huge explosion that flattened a house in the middle of town.
Ali says he does not know who was in the house or who carried out the attack, but he says residents believe it was a bomb dropped by a plane, seen flying over the town in recent days. He says many people are leaving Dobley for fear of another air strike.

In an interview with Agence France-Presse news agency, local Somali elders and a senior leader of the al-Qaida-linked Somali al-Shabaab group, Muktar Robow, claimed a U.S. Air Force AC-130 plane, hunting for Islamic militant hideouts, bombed three targets, including two houses.
VOA was not able to verify a local elder’s statement that four civilians were killed in the attack.

The Shabaab functioned as the militant wing of the ousted Islamic Courts Union, whose top leaders are in exile in Eritrea. But in early February, the Shabaab broke off ties with the courts, complaining that its leadership was not committed to establishing Islamic rule throughout the world through jihad.
Late last month, a skirmish between supporters of the Islamic Courts Union and Shabaab fighters reportedly killed several people in Dobley before the town was seized by forces loyal to Hassan Turki, a Shabaab leader in the Lower Juba area.

the AP doesn’t bother to get into specifics and rpts that

A radical Islamic movement that ruled much of southern Somalia in 2006 took over Dobley last week, led by senior official Hassan Turki. Turki, who is rarely seen in public, is on U.S. and U.N. lists of suspected terrorists for alleged ties to al-Qaida. His fate after the strike was not known.

The Islamic movement, the Council of Islamic Courts, seized control of much of southern Somalia, including the capital, Mogadishu, in 2006. But in early 2007, troops loyal to the U.N.-backed interim Somali government and the allied Ethiopian army defeated the Islamic group.
The Islamic council now appears to be re-emerging.

the nyt article in the first link doesn’t differentiate either

Dhobley lies in the growing swath of southern Somalia that seems to be falling under the control of the country’s Islamist movement once again. The Islamists rose to power in 2006 and brought a degree of law and order to Somalia for the first time since the central government collapsed in 1991.

Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 20:14 utc | 94

la times: U.S. airstrike in Somalia kills 6

NAIROBI, KENYA — A U.S. airstrike today against terrorism suspects in a remote village of southern Somalia killed at least six people and wounded 10 others, witnesses and local leaders said.

The target of today’s strike was believed to be Hassan Turki, one of the leaders of Somalia’s Islamic militias. Turki was cited by the U.S. State Department in 2004 for alleged links to Al Qaeda and is suspected of running military training camps in southern Somalia.
“The attack was related to the visit of Turki on Sunday, but what they bombarded was a civilian place, not a military base,” said Mahmoud Sheik, a resident of Dobley, the village where the airstrike took place, who was interviewed by telephone.
Local elders said Turki was in Dobley, located less than five miles from the Kenyan border, to mediate a dispute between his militias and government troops, which have been fighting for control of the area.
U.S. missiles struck two homes in Dobley shortly after midnight local time. The homes were used as a transfer point for truck shipments of khat, a leafy narcotic substance grown in Kenya and imported daily to Somalia, local leaders said.
“I awoke to heavy explosions and flashes of light,” said Said Abdulle, a local elder. “It shook my doors and windows. We ran outside and hid in the trees.”
He said those killed appeared to be civilians. Many residents of the town have fled, fearing another U.S. strike.

from a cnn rpt

While referring details of the strike to the Pentagon, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe stressed that “the United States is going to go after al Qaeda and al Qaeda-affiliated operatives wherever we find them.
“They are plotting and planning all over the world to destabilize the world, to inflict terror, and where we find them, we are going to go after them,” he said.
The strike destroyed two houses — killing three women and three children, and wounding another 20 people — Dhoobley’s District Commissioner Ali Nur Ali Dherre told CNN. Dherre said the remains of the missiles were marked “US K.”

Dherre told CNN he did not know of any Islamist extremists in the village.

Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 20:35 utc | 95

The Day the Earth and Sky Traded Places
Gazan Holocaust

Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit who bellowed that if it were up to him, Israeli soldiers going into Gaza should shoot “everything that moves” ­like babies and toddlers, grandfathers and mothers, orange trees and wasted-away donkeys pulling cartloads of rotten vegetables; like flowers and seabirds, chickens and goats, rats and cockroaches. A scorched-earth policy will suffice. They’ll create their apocalyptic wilderness and will call it peace.
No one needed Sheetrit to legitimize the strategy of creating oblivion from hell. Untermenschen who can be denied food, water, fuel, electricity, medical supplies, the right to leave and return home, the right to not to die in an ambulance that without the proper permits, the right to their own land and their own nationhood precisely because they are lesser human beings can also be picked off one by one or in groups or in families or because they are “militants,” or all of the above, who deserve no fair hearing, due process, photographs, names, headlines, stories, grief or televised tear-jerker funerals to commemorate their sacrifices.

but forget that, RICIN RICIN RICIN!! Terror Terror Terror, ELF elf!!! Terror at home!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 20:50 utc | 96

One million dead Iraqis? Shrug. One dead puppy…
And all hell breaks loose.
(Warning: Don’t watch this if you can’t stand cruelty against animals.)
US Marine throws puppy off cliff
And the backlash has begun. Digg, for starters:
lest we become monsters…
Here’s a little detail you shouldn’t miss the puppy’s paws are even bound with a zip tie
Who are the good guys again???

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 23:39 utc | 97

Terror Terror Terror, ELF! Domestic terror at home!!! ELF!! ELF!!
Manchurian candidate lone gunman shooting!!!
The world is dangerous! Terror! Terror! Trust us, we will protect!
Don’t run, we’re your friends…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 4 2008 0:35 utc | 98

“They are plotting and planning all over the world to destabilize the world, to inflict terror,”
but enough about the Murder Inc., ie the US.
4 civilians murdered in that attack.
who made these assholes judge, jury and executioner?

Posted by: ran | Mar 4 2008 3:22 utc | 99

an indication of where the humanitarian do-gooders in empire’s new unified combatant command are looking to target their next missions of mercy, perhaps?
from an article in defense news on the DIA’s new language-training program

Hammersen said the agency is having difficulty meeting the demand for what are known as the less commonly taught languages. There are more than 7,000 languages in the world, with Africa alone accounting for 2,000 of them.
“Very few academic institutions offer undergraduate language courses in Pashto, Farsi or the Iraqi dialect of Arabic – much less the languages of sub-Saharan Africa or Southeast Asia – despite a significant demand across DoD and the [intelligence community] for individuals who are proficient in those languages,” he said. “In addition to the recruiting challenge, it is difficult to find appropriate instructional materials and qualified instructors with appropriate security clearances to offer classes in these languages.”
Some of the combatant commands present particular challenges, such as the new U.S. Africa Command. Nigeria alone, for example, has more than 90 million people who speak 516 languages.
“The challenge facing us is to determine which languages are the most critical to current and future mission needs,” Hammersen said. “Which of the 516 languages in Nigeria should DIA be teaching its personnel, for example? Adding to that difficulty is the fact that there are very few qualified instructors, and there simply isn’t a corpus of material or literature available to use for training purposes.
“Also compounding that difficulty are the limits on our ability to test individuals who speak these languages,” he added. “At present, we can only test three of the sub-Saharan African languages. Even if we can find qualified instructors to offer classes in other high-priority sub-Saharan African languages, we cannot yet adequately measure the progress or proficiency of the student.”

Posted by: b real | Mar 4 2008 4:06 utc | 100