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February 24, 2008
Open Thread 08-10
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YEAH Ralph! Posted by: Jake | Feb 24 2008 16:02 utc | 1 It’s the twenty-first century; so where the hell are the spaceships? Prudence would dictate getting off this planet posthaste. Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 16:06 utc | 2 re: Nader … Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 16:10 utc | 3 dave chappelle’s black bush. jamie fox plays a damn good blair. Posted by: annie | Feb 24 2008 16:12 utc | 4 socialism |–N——–OCM-| pecuniocracy I think The Political Compass has a point in differentiating between the left-right and the centralised-decentralised power axis. Ron Paul would be down from the main bunch of candidates, while Nader is down and to the left. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Feb 24 2008 17:34 utc | 6 SCOTUS allowing 401(k) participants to sue the fund managers is ‘interesting’, since Posted by: Peris Troika | Feb 24 2008 17:50 utc | 7 #5&6: indeed Posted by: Cloud | Feb 24 2008 18:17 utc | 8 Well, in the Happy Little Kingdom of Denmark, we’ve had an odd case related to the “Mohammed Cartoons”. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Feb 24 2008 18:47 utc | 9 you are funny Chuck, it seems that some things never change. even 500 years ago English speakers were writing about the “state” of Denmark Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2008 18:59 utc | 11 @#4 annie *lmao* Posted by: Jake | Feb 24 2008 20:45 utc | 12 Looks like Tel Aviv has a wee bit of a problemo – can’t imagine why…. 50% of American Jewish Youngsters could care less if Israel dries up & blows away Posted by: jj | Feb 24 2008 21:25 utc | 13 Does anyone want to mention inflation? Posted by: bellgong | Feb 24 2008 23:18 utc | 14 Hunter Thompson quote from shortly before his Exit (3 yrs. ago): (clipped from post on JHK’s site) Posted by: jj | Feb 25 2008 10:55 utc | 16 i have been googling or 1/2 and hour trying to find out if and when the clintons upon leaving the white house went about a stealing spree.if i remember right there were some discrepancies with gifts and not airlumes(dont laugh i can’t spell) all i can find are articles or blog accounts from less than reputable sourses.now i am voting for obama and don’t favor the clintons for many reasons but i told a republican friend i would have to do some investigation before i will allow him to use this as his sole to put down hillery unless it is true.i may not be voting for her but i’ll be dammed if i will allow any of my friends to spread lies about any candidate in this election.do any of you remember this story?and can you give me a reputable link? Posted by: onzaga | Feb 25 2008 12:21 utc | 17 @Onzaga – NYT, Feb 12, 2002: Clintons Accused of a Failure To Disclose Gifts’ True Value
Your welcome 🙂 Nothing here about Don Siegelman, 60 Minutes, Scott Horton, Jill Simpson, Leura Canary, Alice Martin, or Judge Fuller? Posted by: joel hanes | Feb 25 2008 16:54 utc | 19 @ jj, at 13, along the same lines… Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 25 2008 19:02 utc | 21 b, not one young lower middle to upper class person in the *World* considers Israel a place ……… Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 25 2008 19:40 utc | 22 Tangerine, I don’t know who Israeli expats voted for, but after their last assault on Lebanon, single soldiers were interviewed & said they wanted to get the hell out. They were fed up w/war. And the Aussies are right there recruiting the youngsters they’ve just put through Univ. & grad school at great expense. Their leadership is as bankrupt as ours. Posted by: jj | Feb 25 2008 20:02 utc | 23 Can you say debtors prison?
You want a half turnip in your cabbage soup, citizen camp worker? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 25 2008 20:20 utc | 24 sounds like it’s gonna heat up again in kenya very soon. kibaki has remained entrenched & opposed to ceding any executive powers. annan is expressing the desire to sign off. the police have stepped up recruiting efforts, undertaking the training of the first 5k of 10,000 new recruits. (and police tuesday raised the death toll to 1500 so far.) a few hundred police have been transferred around in the western regions. the gangs have had time for mobilization & arming themselves. ODM has filed for permits for new mass rallies this thursday. mood in the blogosphere is tense, w/ increased talk of moving to the bullet since the ballot didn’t remove kibaki. the vibes right now are definitely not one of optimism, though the times are recognized as presenting the opportunity for some real change. Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2008 23:54 utc | 25 Who would have thought …
oh my
special groups! Posted by: annie | Feb 26 2008 9:17 utc | 27 The price of US support for Turkey’s incursion into Iraq: Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 26 2008 10:25 utc | 28 & fuck me dead joel@19. b is on top a great deal more than anyone can reasonably expect. always meat. always sourced. always a journey Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2008 19:08 utc | 30 for b real
b, Posted by: Juannie | Feb 26 2008 19:39 utc | 32 b @31
reports keep coming in that they’re gaining more control over southern & central mogadishu. the TFG never had control over those regions to begin w/. the ethiopians have been shuffling troops around over the past couple of months, and when they pull out of an area, armed resistance fighters are quick to move in. sounds like they have the support of the local populations too. Posted by: b real | Feb 26 2008 20:16 utc | 33 sounds like they have the support of the local populations too. @Juannie – 32 – thanks for the compliment. puntland and somaliland both have close relationships w/ u.s. intel, given their geostrategic location. interaction w/ somaliland has stepped up though, as we’ve pointed out. DoS seems ready to recognize them. they really want that port & airstrip. rather than puntland, could the flights be to that strip to provide support for somaliland’s grab for sanaag?
— Posted by: b real | Feb 26 2008 20:34 utc | 36 An IPO for VISA? Raising billions for an IPO? This would’ve sounded good two years ago but why now? Too much bad credit to handle all alone? WTF? Posted by: gus | Feb 26 2008 22:22 utc | 37 Jesus Christ what a circus… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2008 0:24 utc | 38 Rollingstone:The Myth of the Surge
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2008 0:36 utc | 39 quick – what do these three countries in the following headline all have in common?
still feel like voting democrat? Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 4:47 utc | 40 MAJOR STORY CAME OUT TODAY (***UNCA $CAM ALERT**). Posted by: jj | Feb 27 2008 6:31 utc | 41 Today’s other Big Story. Did anyone else have lightbulbs go off when wall from Gaza to Egypt was broken & people fled?? Is that their solution – force Gaza upon Egypt & West Bank upon Jordan?? More evidence they’re implementing that. Israel now cutting off power so that each will be getting it from those countries…beginning of more extensive integration, or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill??? Posted by: jj | Feb 27 2008 6:50 utc | 42 @askod #6, b #10: Posted by: Malooga | Feb 27 2008 15:15 utc | 43 comrade, we’ve noticed a disturbing change in your email habits. care to come clean or do we just start with the taser now?
Posted by: ran | Feb 27 2008 18:20 utc | 45 wondering if this ties into #31 at all
as far as i’m aware, CJTF-HOA is still under CENTCOM & wasn’t to be turned over the AFRICOM until september. the rest of the article lifts txt from a jane’s report and another article i don’t recognize right away & haven’t bothered to find.
Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 19:37 utc | 46 perhaps this has something to do w/ kenyan/u.s. forces w/drawing from the somali border
at the very end of january, rwanda’s kagame suggested that kenya use its military to takeover the country until things calmed down enough that a civilian govt could be installed. recently there have been mentions in the press that kagame only made his comments upon the suggestion of “some western countries.” Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2008 19:53 utc | 47 Economic Left/Right: -8.50 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2008 20:28 utc | 48 @47 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 28 2008 0:08 utc | 50 Hippies to the Rescue (Dutch) – w/a considerable assist from German Industry Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 6:17 utc | 51 The PNAC is back – same old liars with a brand new name
Good afternoon, boys and girls. Today, our word will be MOSSAD. Can you spell MOSSAD?
Foundation for Defense of Democracies Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 7:03 utc | 52 Uncle, I didn’t see Chuck Schumer’s name on list above. I know he was on it ‘cuz as soon as attention was drawn to it in last few days, he & donna Bazille quickly resigned- y’all know Chuckie, the punk who told boyking to nominate Mukasey for AG… But something strange is going on if Bronfman’s names are on list – they’re very Liberal Jews… Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 8:02 utc | 53 Some good news from Pentagon of all places…Several Generals/Admirals set to resign if boyking Attacks Iran Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2008 8:08 utc | 54 regarding the anti-depressants news of late… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 8:34 utc | 55 jj @ 53 Posted by: dan of steel | Feb 28 2008 10:48 utc | 56 Been reading Robert Fisk’s ‘The Great War for Civilization.’ His account of the various Israeli/Palestinian peace (sic) processes are some of the most depressing, enraging words I’ve read in years. Posted by: Tantalus | Feb 28 2008 14:42 utc | 57 tantalus Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2008 15:32 utc | 58 geldof’s time interview w/ bush in africa – Geldof and Bush: Diary From the Road
yes, the great geldof, responsible for such insights into the african condition as Posted by: b real | Feb 28 2008 15:56 utc | 59 Adding to Tantalus – James Petras: The Israeli Agenda and the Scorecard of the Zionist Power Configuration for 2008
Recommended … the following fits in w/ #40 above, which reported that
democracynow: Jeremy Scahill: Despite Antiwar Rhetoric, Clinton-Obama Plans Would Keep US Mercenaries, Troops in Iraq for Years to Come
scahill’s latest article up at the nation
Posted by: b real | Feb 28 2008 18:00 utc | 61 Wired has so far unpublished Abu Graibh pictures. There must be many more. Show them! Some may have missed the death of William F. Buckley… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2008 22:06 utc | 63 Just saw Scahill on DN. He was great and he raises great questions. I do believe Obama will pursue an aggressive foriegn policy. But it will be more discrete. He will use special forces and black ops. Posted by: jdp | Feb 28 2008 23:41 utc | 64 so whose Obama going to intervene against or use Blackwater against ? His foreign policy agenda suggests that unlike Bush/McCain he intends to place the focus on where he perceives as the source of “real” threats (Afghanistan, Pakistan), rather than Iraq. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 29 2008 1:14 utc | 65 if the USA is lucky, it may undergo a process of de-militarism under the next president. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 29 2008 2:09 utc | 66 Well, finally,something good has happened in America. Obamination’s Patron, Zbig, Fled the Terra Reservation leaving us the helpful term “terror entrepreneurs”. I won’t excerpt this, as it’s worth reading in full. The other excellent news is that WaPo actually published this, putting it officially in play. The only downside is that he focuses too much on its impact on MaleMuslims rather than its impact on our Constitution. If all we get out of this is that they’re protected, rather than the entire Police State Edifice is shredded we’re still effed. But here’s hoping! Terrorized by ‘War on Terror’ -How a Three-Word Mantra Has Undermined America” Posted by: jj | Feb 29 2008 4:29 utc | 67 zbig wrote But the little secret here may be that the vagueness of the phrase was deliberately (or instinctively) calculated by its sponsors.
or whoever controls the PA system Posted by: b real | Feb 29 2008 5:50 utc | 68 Cuba signs human rights accords
Posted by: Rick | Feb 29 2008 9:57 utc | 69 per b‘s #62… Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 29 2008 16:32 utc | 70 Weekend Reading Barflies?? Posted by: jj | Mar 1 2008 22:55 utc | 72 British soldier killed in rocket attack in Basra
Posted by: Alamet | Mar 2 2008 1:19 utc | 73 Kind of interesting to see what kind of information is collected about us who visit here. Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 10:11 utc | 74 @dan of steele (#74): Where do the majority of those demographics come from? I’ve volunteered an absurd amount of personal information that could possibly be scraped together (although I think a human would have to do it and would have to scour the archives… and trust that I wasn’t confabulating), but most of the lurkers/regulars haven’t. I don’t even believe I know with any certainty the gender of most of the regulars, much less the median income of a drive-by. The site meter just tells us where people are dialing in from (and, in my case, it says “unknown country” unless I specifically allow it more info by going to an internet cafe to check in here). Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:31 utc | 75 dos#74, Posted by: anna missed | Mar 2 2008 10:43 utc | 76 Did I pick this story up from here or another blog…? I can’t remember. Maybe the Thought Police could kindly check their database and let me know.
“Unhealthy interest“…? Seriously…? I s’pose I’m safe enough since my “habits” are already erratic, unfriendly and disenfranchised. Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:48 utc | 77 @anna missed (#76): I’m looking into my crystal ball here and proposing that most people who visit your target site either own or have access to a computer… Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 2 2008 10:50 utc | 78 From dos’s #74 link …
using an AI platform project to track the algorithms of the enemy aka the US citizens, employing sociology and psychobiology to combat Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 2 2008 10:58 utc | 79 ref my #74 Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 11:22 utc | 80 For the global warming true believers. Posted by: DM | Mar 2 2008 11:58 utc | 81 if you view the source code of the html at MoA you will find all the way at the bottom a Quantcast tag which runs a javascript and uses a very small gif (35 bytes) to tag us. I assume that gif is searched for in our browser temporary files folders when we visit other sites that are running the Quantcast tracker. MoA readers have 8.6x Affinity for U.S. Geological Survey? Great to know. Posted by: snafu | Mar 2 2008 18:30 utc | 83 thanks for the NoScript plugin snafu. Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 2 2008 19:15 utc | 84 Celebrating A Ship Born Of Tragedy
Damn…it’s like a serial killer fashioning a weapon out of the bones of it’s victims, that this dinghy of death was built just outside of New Orleans adds that little extra something to it, doesn’t it. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 1:37 utc | 85 utilize wildcards to realize the full power of adblocking Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 4:09 utc | 86 b real, this russel means clip made me think of you. Posted by: conchita | Mar 3 2008 5:25 utc | 87 @dan of steele #74 Posted by: Bea | Mar 3 2008 6:03 utc | 88 Turns out both Clinton and Obama’s top finance people are original gangsters of the sub-prime loan school, Penny Pritzker for Obama, and Jay Robert Pritzker for Clinton’s “citizens for Hillary Clinton”. Seems like the Pritzkers are on top of these potential demotic threats to the predator class. Posted by: citizen | Mar 3 2008 6:17 utc | 89 thank you, conchita. means is very adept at generating publicity. important point too about reponsibility & freedom. recently heard john trudell remind us that there can be no freedom w/o responsibility. what’s the point of freedom if all you’re doing is giving another the freedom to exploit you or anyone/thing else? so any rhetoric that focuses solely on advancing freedom is not to be trusted.
Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 6:46 utc | 90 Attempt to land an A320 during a storm here 2 days ago: Liveleak Re: data-mining and profiling dissent, I’d encourage MOA’s to download and read the Rand corporations project called,Atypical Signal Analysis Processing. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 11:30 utc | 92 U.S. Missile Strike Hits Town In Somalia
the reuters report:
dobley is one of the border towns that the u.s. attacked in early 2007, killing civilians & livestock while claiming to be targeting “alleged” AQ baddies. so much for hearts & minds.
on sunday, the somali govt forcefully shut down shabelle and two other media. here’s the reuters article on that, written in part by aweys yusuf, who used to be a key shabelle reporter prior to fleeing for his life after repeated govt repression last year
saturday had seen heavy fighting & casualities in mogadishu near the bakara market. there have been reports of govt forces looting the market in the past two weeks as retaliation for ongoing attacks against their forces in the vicinity. closing down the media (again) allows for more aggressive actions w/o the rest of the world having to hear about it. could there have been a connection in the timing of the shutdown of the local media on sunday and the missile attacks on monday? Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 19:47 utc | 93 differing accounts right now on the missile strikes in dobley
a voa rpt
the AP doesn’t bother to get into specifics and rpts that
the nyt article in the first link doesn’t differentiate either
Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 20:14 utc | 94 la times: U.S. airstrike in Somalia kills 6
from a cnn rpt
Posted by: b real | Mar 3 2008 20:35 utc | 95 The Day the Earth and Sky Traded Places
but forget that, RICIN RICIN RICIN!! Terror Terror Terror, ELF elf!!! Terror at home! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 20:50 utc | 96 One million dead Iraqis? Shrug. One dead puppy… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 3 2008 23:39 utc | 97 Terror Terror Terror, ELF! Domestic terror at home!!! ELF!! ELF!! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 4 2008 0:35 utc | 98 “They are plotting and planning all over the world to destabilize the world, to inflict terror,” Posted by: ran | Mar 4 2008 3:22 utc | 99 an indication of where the humanitarian do-gooders in empire’s new unified combatant command are looking to target their next missions of mercy, perhaps?
Posted by: b real | Mar 4 2008 4:06 utc | 100 |
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