Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 10, 2008
Gates: “Who are you gonna believe, me or my memoirs.”

After delivering his prepared remarks Gates fielded questions from his audience, which included dozens of top government officials, mainly from Europe and the United States, as well as military officers, private security specialists, members of Congress and European parliamentarians.


A member of the Russian parliament, leading off the questioning, accused the United States of having created today’s al-Qaida threat through its support in the 1980s for the mujahadeen resistance
to Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.


Gates disputed that assertion
but said he did regret that the United States abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew in 1989.
The threat from al-Qaida began with the Soviet invasion of a sovereign state in December 1979, a state that up to that point had not represented a threat to anybody in the world, except to a certain extent its own people because of its weakness and poverty,” Gates said in response to the Russian’s question.
Gates Cautions on NATO’s Survival, AP, Jan Feb 10, 2008

Somehow I remember that different. Wasn’t there a former CIA director who wrote about this? Who claimed that Carter sent big money to the Mujah groups, from which al Qaeda grew, before the Sowjets intervened on the side of the attacked Afghan government?

Indeed:

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?


Brzezinski
: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser
, Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

The truth is that the United States began a program of covert aid to the Afghan guerrillas six months before the Soviets invaded.


First revealed by former Director of Central Intelligence Robert Gates in his 1996 memoir From the Shadows, the $500 million in nonlethal aid was designed to counter the billions the Soviets were pouring into the puppet regime they had installed in Kabul.
Some on the American side were willing–perhaps even eager–to lure the Soviets into a Vietnam-like entanglement. Others viewed the program as a way of destabilizing the puppet government and countering the Soviets, whose undeniable aggression in the area was helping to reheat the cold war to a dangerous boil.
‘Blowback,’ the Prequel, The Nation, Oct 25, 2001

Gates even defends Carter’s handling of Afghanistan, reporting that the president and his advisers reacted far earlier than is generally understood, most notably by authorizing covert aid to Afghan insurgents.
Surprises From Gates’s 1996 Memoir, WaPo, Jan 7, 2007

Comments

Dumb question, but whats to stop Putin from covertly backing the Iraqi resistance now instead of Iran?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 10 2008 12:58 utc | 1

whats to stop Putin from covertly backing the Iraqi resistance now instead of Iran?
Part a: nothing, but will come very covered. Currently the Saudi’s are paying, so what’s not to love with that?
Par b: Russia will continue to help Iran – sometimes adding a bit of pressure, but that’s just to show who has the better cards.

Posted by: b | Feb 10 2008 14:20 utc | 2

Nice catch. FYI you have the date wrong on the first quote. It is Feb. 10, not Jan 10.

Posted by: velid | Feb 10 2008 16:18 utc | 3

Yea man, your memory is accurate, now im scared, because i recall the same thing – i hope we aint twins seperated at birth. LoL

Posted by: rawdawgbuffalo | Feb 10 2008 18:19 utc | 4

Gates criticized today “the Allies” willingness to engage with the Neo-Zi Wehrmacht.
“Some allies ought not to have the luxury of opting only for stability and civilian operations (sic), thus forcing other allies to bear a disproportionate share of the fighting and the dying,” he said. He repeated comments made in Washington last week that NATO risked becoming a “two-tiered alliance” if certain countries, which he did not name, continued to shy away from combat.
Canada goes a step farther, delineating “Alliance Afghanistan”. Read it and weep for ambassador-speak, as millions of helpless Arabs, Persians and Pashtuns are interred:
http://www3.thestar.com/static/PDF/080122_afghan_report.pdf
The august government panel concludes on pages 32 and 33:
“Some say [classic dismissive phrase] that the financial cost of Canada’s military engagement ($6.1 billion from fiscal years 2000-01 to 2006-07) is excessive, or could be better spent elsewhere— in Afghan reconstruction and development, for instance. [another classic throwaway phrase, e.g. no reconstruction monies]
They argue that the overall Canadian engagement in Afghanistan is misplaced and
has failed to make progress, and that progress is unlikely. They argue that Canada, deliberately or not, has become part of a misdirected U.S. “war on terror,” damaging Canada’s international reputation and endangering Canadian security. [“they argue” classic debate tactic to dismiss viable arguments, by assigning the rubric “they”.]
These arguments raise serious issues, and they require a serious response. [Which is never given!! Priceless!!]
Truth be told, (sic) conditions have changed over the years in Afghanistan, and the
Canadian military mission has changed as a consequence. [Ahhh yes, “change”] The strongest impression formed by The Panel was that the Canadian Forces are doing a highly commendable job in a more violent and hazardous mission than was envisaged (sic) when they were first deployed to Afghanistan. The extent and character of the current Canadian commitment reflect this unpredicted flow of events, and the powerful effect of past decisions. [CLASSIC PABLUM, WHICH “SETS UP” THEIR DELIBERATE MIS-CHARACTERIZATION AND INVERSION OF CAUSE AND EFFECT IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH]
The Panel is convinced that Canadian objectives in Afghanistan are both honourable and achievable. The aim there is not to create some fanciful [classic dismissive put-down] model of prosperous democracy. [THROUGH RECONSTRUCTION PERHAPS???!!! THROUGH BASIC HUMAN SERVICES, HUH, DO YOU THINK!!!!!?????] Canadian objectives are more realistic (sic): to contribute, with others, to a better governed, stable and developing Afghanistan whose government can protect the security of the country and its people.”
How wondrous French Defense Minister Herve Morin’s reply! “The solution is not just a military one. Military action is as a wave lapping at the sand. Our country has a particular message to defend, a more humane vision of international relations, which is respectful of the identities of each and everyone.”
Apparently there’s a darker reading to Morin’s worldview, taken in a larger context:
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=1172
“One can even observe an incredible development: a Persian and Shia country [Iran] is aspiring to become the champion of the Arab and Muslim world. Nobody can guarantee anymore that we are safe from a strategic surprise. I feel deeply that considerable sources of destabilization exist. It is our duty, without resigning ourselves to the worst, to prepare ourselves for such possibilities…. To contribute actively to the development of stability and security outside our borders, with two priorities: the fight against terrorism and the guaranteeing of our energy supplies.
Ahhh, there you go, the Sudatenlandt gambit, old Balkans “Soupy Sales” shuffle, taken right out of the Neo-Zi’s Goebbels playbook, aka … Perpetual Palestine.
And our life savings thrownaway, our children’s and grandchildren’s inheritance of disenfranchisement, paid for it, is paying for it, and will continue to pay for it.
ONE TRILLION DOLLARS DOWN THE NEO-ZI RATHOLE!

Posted by: Wai Lapeng | Feb 10 2008 19:23 utc | 5

Wai – i agree, the uncertainty is what makes me nervous, but even moreso, is that the same threat in my eyes, is still brooding in Saudi and Pakastain. Great point. To bad u dont have a say in policy directives.

Posted by: rawdawgbuffalo | Feb 10 2008 21:20 utc | 6

Perhaps Zbig is backing Obamination, who has promised to invade Pakistan, to save his own bacon. (Doncha love those liberal dingbats who back him ‘cuz he wasn’t in the Senate to back attacking Iraq, unlike HRC. Since he’s backed virtually every expression of bellicosity since then, there’s zero reason to think he wouldn’t have backed that. In fact, I assumed that Zbig putting him up to run was a “seal the exits” strategy to insure that a real representative of grass-roots anti-war sentiment couldn’t emerge again this time. Enough of a pain in the ass taking care of Dean last time.)
In any event, Zbig’s gotta be scared as xUS is heading down the road to defeat in Afghanistan, the war he created, as Pashtun tribesmen in Pakistan are cutting off their supply lines thru Pak. tribal areas, which account for 70% of their supplies. This is the tactic Pashtuns have used to repel invaders from Alex the Great to the Russians. So, Gates is in Europe pleading for more troops.
Doubtless Gates’ case isn’t helped by Gen. MacNeill admitting that counter-insurgency doctrine calls for 400,000 troops. Gates is leaning esp. on Germany, France, Italy & Turkey, according to CNN reports. Eric Margolis has exc. analysis of xUS-EU disagreement over this. Europeans see what America cannot
Reading this makes me wonder if one of the Principle Reasons xUS wants to put “missile defense” garbage in Poland, etc. is to force Russian response, recreating “the Soviet Threat” & hence reinvigorating NATO, which was created to counter the “Soviet Threat”.
It seems to me that Elites would far rather have JackAss Party “win” the election, as it’s far easier for them to manipulate the stupidity, errr “idealism”, of their base to immediately implement a draft, errr “National Service”, so more warm bodies are avail. to run off & be slaughtered in Pakistan.
This makes Obamination eminently serviceable – radical right wing economically & bellicose as hell.
For those who held out hope that he wouldn’t back the Looney Right in Israel, they obviously never understood why Dean’s “scream” was manufactured out of hot air in ’04. Beyond that, Alex Cockburn disabuses us of that notion.

Posted by: jj | Feb 11 2008 1:58 utc | 7

happily, rense (yes, I know…) reposted Obaminations remarks from last yr. on bombing Pak. Jake Tapper’s art. for abc
We see yet another reason Elites didn’t tell the masses of Obamination’s death – to provide cover for ad nauseam Afghani intervention.
In 2nd art. @that link, there’s an additional abc news piece from ’08, reminding us what happened when Obamination repeated this crap on the campaign trail – Marg. Thatcher Clinton blasted him for revealing Elite Planning, so clearly both are onboard for this Escapade.

Posted by: jj | Feb 11 2008 2:13 utc | 8

Even though I’m not a US supporter, asserting that “al qaeda” (TM) ,was created and supported by the US in Afghanistan is ridiculous. Up until 1985, despite some help given, not to mudjahidin but to Pakistan, afghans in the country had little help and fought against soviets with egyptian, chinese or captured weapons. After 1986, the US increased their help, but to Pakistan, as well as arabs countries (Saudi Arabia, Emirates…). Azzam, and then Bin Laden or others, received some help from officials of arabs countries, but a lot of help came from “charities” or individuals.
The US had no ideas where the weapons went as soon as they gave it to pakistanese ISI. As an example, less than a third of the “stingers” went in afghans units, the rest just disappeared…
The real help given to taleban was from 1996 to 1999, when the US decided to give a boost to taleban after the fall of Kabul, and once again, arabs countries and Pakistan were the main benefactors of the taleban.
The US could have known, and for sure a lot of officials knew, that most of the weapons given to the ISI went to the most extremists in Afghanistan up until 1989 (especially Gulbodin Hekmatyar’s hezb e islami), and then they should have known what kind of people the taleban were.
After 1999, the US decided to get rid of the taleban, but once again, they listened to Pakistan and refused to give help to the united front, called the “northern alliance” by pakistanese press at the time, a name used by foreign press after 2001.
The real problem is not Afghanistan but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and others arab countries like the Emirates. And the real mistake wasn(t to help the moudjahidin, but to use such countries as sub contractors.

Posted by: bert | Feb 12 2008 9:35 utc | 9

linked to this several months ago, but it fits in here
webcast/audio for lecture at a uc berkeley course
Mon 9/24 — The Rise of Al Qaeda – Guest: Peter Dale Scott, Emeritus Professor of English, UC Berkeley

Posted by: b real | Feb 12 2008 16:30 utc | 10