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January 1, 2008
Open Thread 08-01
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Why don’t people hang up on robocalls? I always do immiatedly and thought everybody does so, so I wonder how much such tactics matter.
A Tale of Political Dirty Tricks Makes the Case for Election Reform Happy New Year. Let’s hope that the new year brings some better news than last year. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 1 2008 10:19 utc | 2 b, Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 1 2008 12:07 utc | 3 Robocalls: Posted by: edwin | Jan 1 2008 16:39 utc | 4 An Impure Place In The Middle Of Idolatry Posted by: shanks | Jan 1 2008 17:32 utc | 5 USAID employee and Sudanese driver shot dead in an attack that “occurred around 4 a.m. local time as the car was heading to a western suburb of Sudan’s capital, Khartoum.” Posted by: Alamet | Jan 1 2008 18:11 utc | 6 b and all, Posted by: Rick | Jan 1 2008 18:13 utc | 7 b and all, I read here every day. I’ll try to give back a bit more in the coming year. Posted by: annie | Jan 2 2008 6:04 utc | 9 If the USAid guy was truly a diplomat, he would have had an armed escort. The USAid diplomat in Afghanistan was a former oil executive, and traveled with a Stryker in front, and in back, full battle rattle, riding in an armored Toyota. Of course, with Posted by: Dossi Wallups | Jan 2 2008 6:11 utc | 10 Looking back over the past year, and in case you’ve forgotten how craven these jackals are:
Of course, not to mention they manipulate poor people into subjecting themselves to poison for money. I started noticing this in my own college paper. Seems it started under the Bush admin, giving cash for poor students as ginna pigs for research. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 2 2008 6:45 utc | 11 @Rick – 7 – This Cryptome Crytpo AG is already known, but may be of interest. One wonders, for example, about the alleged link to the trial for the bombing of Pan Am Flight 903 (the Lockerbie disaster). Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 2 2008 7:47 utc | 13
“The Year In Evidence”
And this is just ONE link out of a score of them, from ONE category out of SIXTEEN! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 2 2008 8:05 utc | 15 @ b 14: This link might merit its own thread, perhaps with the title Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 2 2008 8:45 utc | 16 He is as guilty as sin, but after 22 years in the slammer, I believe that it’s past time to allow him to go to his chosen country. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 2 2008 9:02 utc | 17 Sure, Hannah — they let Vannanu go to his chosen country and we let Pollard go to his. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 2 2008 10:09 utc | 18 The empire is starting to crumble from within. The Lakotah people secede from the USA
Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 2 2008 10:24 utc | 19 @ Chuck Cliff Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 2 2008 11:23 utc | 20 Every time I see a story about cops doing good I want to think “most of them are good and it’s just a few bad apples” WE KNOW FROM APPLES EH? ….out rolls another story like this….you would think the Empire/police state would better control the media to keep us positive on the Gestapo…but that would be to logical, as Monolycus said long ago,(paraphrasing), ‘they want you to know these things’. They depend on it.
Interesting factoids: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 2 2008 11:26 utc | 21 The internal struggle for the Iraqi oil law continues
Posted by: b real | Jan 2 2008 16:00 utc | 22 Oil finally made 100 today:
hannah, yes, good posts – Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 2 2008 18:16 utc | 24 AFRICOM propaganda squad sighting
not only does the letter read like straight PR — exactly how is creating & staffing a new combatant command not “expansion”? — the author fails to mention his occupation which, in the interests of fairness, contributes to the reader’s misinformation on the subject at hand.
Posted by: b real | Jan 2 2008 19:47 utc | 25 Another day late, dollar short media confessional: Posted by: biklett | Jan 2 2008 21:21 utc | 26 b real, Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 2 2008 22:11 utc | 27 @26, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 2 2008 23:59 utc | 28 askod – there’s a strong u.s. interest in kibaki over odinga. see b’s “Foot In Mouth?” thread from a couple days ago & my comments there. while not necessarily AFRICOM — which has training wheels on for the time being and, anyway, CENTCOM still holds control over CJTF-HOA and that AOR — i’m sure that the u.s. has already played a role in events there. did they help rig the elections? there’s no proof yet that i’ve come upon, but the signals were there that they’d support kibaki whatever it took. kenya is a crucial player in u.s. interests. has very strong military relations w/ the u.s. and is a key buffer state — so far — against political islam. according to some experts, the only truly threatening AQ presence on the continent is in kenya. Posted by: b real | Jan 3 2008 0:01 utc | 29 thanks, Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 3 2008 1:54 utc | 30 also, Africom is regional branding as in Disney LA/Paris/Orlando/Tokyo. Mickey, Donald & Goofy, say hello to sunny Africa. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 3 2008 3:23 utc | 31 on the story in kenya, thinking a bit more (wildly, perhaps) on what askod asked — would it be too cynical to imagine for a moment that the ‘genocide’ hyperbole & constant press evocation of the imagery of rwanda from more than a decade ago allows the u.s. military an opportunity to “get it right” this time & repair a badly damaged reputation that the iraq albatross has currently wrought? Posted by: b real | Jan 3 2008 4:11 utc | 32 I’m starting to wonder if in resisting MSM ‘tools’, MoA don’t risk becoming ones too. Posted by: Querna Voca | Jan 3 2008 7:56 utc | 33 @31, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 3 2008 11:34 utc | 34 This is what is propagandized as a “two state solution”
The US Election is Already Over. Murder and Preventable Death Have Won.
The above rush transcript doesn’t fully convey the depth of issues he brought up and covered so I would suggest watching or listening to it for the behind the scenes info on the candidates. It was very enlightening. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 3 2008 18:41 utc | 36 w is pissed at Makasey for investigating the CIA tapes destruction
Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 3 2008 22:35 utc | 37 agreed, uncle. it was good of democracynow, through the guests, to point this aspect of the candidacies out. most of those names the lady reeled off should be accompanied w/ mug shots & cell numbers (not talking mobile phones, either). you’ve definitely heard of nairn before. he’s the guy that saved amy’s life in dili during that indonesian army massacre of unarmed timorese. he’s on the program quite a bit. prob three times in the past few months. on the bitter choice, chomsky has been making that point for years. Posted by: b real | Jan 3 2008 22:42 utc | 38 dan re post §37 – by this stage of the game – this particular administration is so criminal, so treasonous – i do not trust in the least what is left of that torn & dirty rag they once called jurisprudence Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 3 2008 23:15 utc | 39 If the US wants to do a goodwill operation to pull the light of Iraq and so on supporting the government side in Kenya would not require any boots as the Kenyan government would provide the ground troops. With US providing air support. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 4 2008 0:00 utc | 40 World Bank Report that may come in handy: Posted by: Alamet | Jan 4 2008 0:35 utc | 42 Not related to any other topic, but it is good for the spirit. Insider’s account of the latest workers’ strike in Egypt. Posted by: Alamet | Jan 4 2008 0:49 utc | 43 Had a quick look at the World Bank report and though it is a good source for some stats, I lacked what I was looking for. I figured it would have some numbers on amount of food (tons, litres) that countries import and export. It would give some grasp on what regions will be in for a tough time with rising transport costs. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 4 2008 0:51 utc | 44 Dahr Jamail on Iraq Posted by: Alamet | Jan 4 2008 17:50 utc | 45 Britain’s key weapon in Afghanistan: the bribe
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 4 2008 17:54 utc | 46 Servility loves company. The NewYork Times happily announces:
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 4 2008 17:58 utc | 47 thanks alamet for this last link – it explains a great deal. at the moment aljazeera has a truly execrable coverge of latin america where only one year ago it was the most enlightened Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 4 2008 18:58 utc | 48 A few days ago on Open Thread 07-85, Uncle $cam posted a link concerning the increasing cost of food in the U.S. I followed his link with a discussion concerning how the cost of fertilizer (energy related) will have a significant impact on World food prices. Also, I discussed alternative ways to thinking about crop production. Below is an article on the upcoming food price crunch. To repeat the major point of my earlier discussion, the most significant factor to high yields is high nitrogen fertilizer. Corn and soy, top U.S. agricultural products, are especially high users of nitrogen fertilizer. I wonder if with high fertilizer prices, some producers may opt for lower yields – how much so may be dependent upon thinking of where the optimum point of return may be and how much total investment a producer is willing to make. Posted by: Rick | Jan 4 2008 22:18 utc | 49 Could’a Had A V-8 Posted by: Rebecca Tamerlain | Jan 4 2008 22:19 utc | 50 on this day – meditating on the role of my sisters in this struggle i am reminded of the chinese slogan from the sixties –woman hold up half the sky Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 4 2008 23:13 utc | 51 & fuck if i hear ‘folks’ one more time i’ll start singing the hors wessel lieder Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 4 2008 23:15 utc | 52 So the amerikan chickens are coming home to roost for Musharraf. The sadly named International Crisis Group has just put out a press release to Reuters urging the amerikan government to pressure the Pakistan Army’s new boss General Ashfaq Kayani to, in the interests of democracy, of course, flick Musharraf in that old Pakistani democratic tradition where the army picks the prez!
Soooo Stephen Solarz, Zbigniew Brzezinski and the inimitable George Soros, is that dem enough?
It is unlikely many would swap their charred ruins for life in India. An old friend (a Hindu) from Gujarat State in India (Gujarat borders Pakistan) used to tell me stories of the desperate state of life being a Muslim in Gujarat. Whenever some disaster occurred for example in 2002 a train fire in Godhra, local Hindu political street bosses divert attention from the real cause by blaming Muslims. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2008 2:27 utc | 53 Flashback: Death squads
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2008 3:57 utc | 54 Fake Green
Posted by: citizen | Jan 5 2008 4:05 utc | 55 As remarked by a commenter, “this is unprecedented”…
Also see, Andrew Sullivan of the Atlantic here:
Horton hears a yoo? W/apologies to Dr. Seuss… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2008 4:43 utc | 56 file this under “new scramble for africa”
Posted by: b real | Jan 5 2008 5:34 utc | 57 Two Slain U.S. Soldiers Were Killed By Iraqi Soldier
b @ 58
And what the Iraqi street is saying is, Posted by: Alamet | Jan 5 2008 18:24 utc | 59 From Sudden Debt, one of my favorite econ blogs, Posted by: Alamet | Jan 6 2008 0:07 utc | 60 #59, Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2008 2:23 utc | 61 echorouk online: French expert: France cancelled Dakar Rally because of foreign pressures
but could they indeed have been behind it? sounds like there were some problems w/ AQ’s alleged ‘confession’ script
some claim that al arabiya works closely w/ the cia. according to its sourcewatch entry
yet one can search via google & see that al arabiya has aired multiple tapes allegedly from UBL and other AQ affiliates over the years, so that obviously doesn’t fit. Posted by: b real | Jan 6 2008 4:38 utc | 62 Whoever stopped the Paris Dakar rally did the African and Arabian people a great favour. I am suprised it took this long the brit equivalent the East African Safari was finally de-registered by the World Rally Championship in 2003. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2008 7:37 utc | 63 thanks again, debs. wasn’t familiar w/ this. sounds like more exploitation left over from the legacy colonial rule.
Somalia lawmakers have different views on new Cabinet
Posted by: b real | Jan 6 2008 8:03 utc | 64 @Alamet #60 Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 6 2008 8:47 utc | 65 In WaPo(!) George McGovern for impeachment: Why I Believe Bush Must Go Nixon Was Bad. These Guys Are Worse.
Will anyone listen? On Sibel Edmonds in the London Times: For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets
@DoS – Via the Brad Blog someone says Grossman.
Report calls Israeli courts unfair
one of the comments there at bradblog kinda rang true, why is this published in the Sunday Times? Ms Edmonds is not allowed to divulge secret information, period. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 6 2008 20:33 utc | 72 Jonathan Cook has an excellent summary of Ehud Barak’s “generous offer”. Details and machinations of the earlier Wye and Camp David “peace conference”, according to Cook, were studied by Olmert and Livni in preparation for Annapolis. Extracts of Barak’s “concessions” have now been acknowledged and printed Haaretz. Posted by: ww | Jan 6 2008 21:01 utc | 73 anna missed # 61, Posted by: Alamet | Jan 6 2008 23:58 utc | 74 Monolycus # 65, Posted by: Alamet | Jan 7 2008 0:08 utc | 75 The headline is of course a big lie – how can a prison defy?
Thanks to all for an illuminating thread. I found the contributions Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 7 2008 8:52 utc | 77 a new gulf of tonkin incident in the hormuz straits Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 7 2008 16:46 utc | 79 I actually laughed out loud.
This is also coming from someone who thinks that 50.01% is an “overwhelming mandate”. The problem, obviously, is that basic mathematics are simply not the President’s strongest and most solid area. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 7 2008 17:42 utc | 80 united states justice commits another genocide in haditha Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 7 2008 18:18 utc | 81 Long, detailed coverage by Dahr Jamail and Ali Al Fadhily: Posted by: Alamet | Jan 8 2008 0:26 utc | 82 U.S. academic Finkelstein meets top Hezbollah official in Lebanon
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 8 2008 0:29 utc | 83 Probably the contents of this link have already been signaled to MOA, but I can’t resist celebrating this exemplar of due process , seldom more due (in all senses) than here. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 8 2008 9:13 utc | 84 Always smart, astute, insightful.
Wise words amidst the media frenzy. Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 8 2008 10:03 utc | 85 Mearsheimer&Walt: Israel’s false friends
informative interview w/ tim shorrock on kpfa’s against the grain today — “State of Spying” Posted by: b real | Jan 8 2008 20:31 utc | 87 Weirder and weirder… Posted by: Alamet | Jan 8 2008 22:19 utc | 88 Did not see this link here:
Great stuff. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 8 2008 22:26 utc | 89 fuck me dead Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 0:35 utc | 91 this dumb dobbs – he’s like some crazed figure from a novel by dreiser of upton sinclair. he’s father coghlan without the collar – or lindbergh without the plane Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 0:40 utc | 92 where does cnn contract these people – they are really like figurines from some mexican sci-fi film & none more so than anderson cooper – but really the whole clan – i mean klan – they are as shaft would say – a sorry bunch of motherfuckers – who weep words far more easily & on order than madam macbeth clinton Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 1:03 utc | 93 R’Giap, anderson cooper is ex-CIA. that may explain some things eh? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2008 1:15 utc | 94 uncle, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 1:31 utc | 95 i would have thought cooper is too cretinous even for them Posted by: jj | Jan 9 2008 2:05 utc | 96 After yesterday’s “authoritative polls” gave Obama a 10% lead in New Hampshire we wake up to find that Hillary has won there. Moreover, McCain beat Romney and Ron Paul failed to get 10% of the vote (which, Giuliani, just barely, did). So either the pollsters have once again been shown to be grossly incompetent (certainly a strong possibility) or we must contemplate this polemical video from BBV. In a sense it grieves me to post the BBV video, since it represents a (to my mind not irrational) vote of no confidence in the solidity of the cornerstone of American democracy, namely the integrity of the electoral process. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 9 2008 6:45 utc | 97 @ Uncle, giap and jj: Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 9 2008 7:43 utc | 98 HKOL, Blitzer comes from their Zionist networks. I forget specifics, but prolly (as Uncle sez) someone recalls details. Was he editor of Jerusalem Post, or something along those lines. Posted by: jj | Jan 9 2008 9:06 utc | 99 |
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