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January 9, 2008
Open Thread 08-02

News & views & anything else … your comments are welcome …

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Via Feral Scholar, longtime Whiskey Bar and MoA commentator DeAnander moved to Canada. Good luck DeA!

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2008 8:57 utc | 1

The US starts a major “secret” operation in Diyala to capture “al-Qaeda” fighters only to learn that those have left a few days ago. Wack the mole …
U.S. Attack in Iraq Is No Surprise to Many Insurgents

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2008 8:58 utc | 2

Is it me or has this election cycle already taken on the aura of a cheap traveling carnival, even more than it usually does? The people seem anxious, hot to trot, and out in in bigger numbers than usual. Rushing from one ( 2hour line for a) thrill ride or rigged game of chance to the next with nervous expectation, desperately looking for either some vicarious badge of courage by association, or some newly minted identity born of context, or simply an over sized pink stuffed trophy to parade around with. This is surely the atmosphere of bright lights and sportscasting soap opera commentary the media have constructed in order to amplify the ephemeral, the emotional, and the personal into a deafening orchestral white noise drowning out any vestiges to the cold reality of political circumstance. And like the sleeze ball operators behind every ride and game they they own the field, define the rules, declare the winners, and celebrate the victors insuring that above all, the show must and will go on. At least until the go’ers are all worn out and broke. I remember back in the 60’s when the carnival t-shirt of choice were either labeled “slave” or “master”. Those were the good old days.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 9 2008 10:29 utc | 3

I think that this recent post Bradblog
is worth reading in its entirety. In particular the closing comments

Over at Daily Kos, diarist “AHiddenSaint” has written a post quoting, and linking over to this one, by way of sharing his/her concerns about the NH results.
The result: an embarrassing thread of comments, smashing up AHiddenSaint for posting something that the dKos commenters feel is little more than “conspiracy theory”. Foolishly (for them), they have taken a sentence from the original post, in which I noted that I “have no evidence at this time — of chicanery,” to wonder why I would therefore write such a post at all. Their claim: that I am some how charging that Clinton stole the election.
I have made no such claim. In fact, if there was skullduggery here, there are plenty of reasons to believe it could have been committed by any number of interested parties, who have nothing to do with the Clinton campaign.
Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there. I spoke to Markos (the site’s founder) about that, when we were at a conference together in Vegas last Summer. He stills stands by his decision to purge those folks. That, despite so much that has come out since ’04 to show that what happened was a travesty of democracy. As I told him then, he owes his readers an apology. He did add, however, that he has someone (“Georgia10”) who now cover issues of Election Integrity on their front page.
The result of his purge, is the mindset of the commenters now seen over there. It seems to me they are are begging for a world of hurt, someday, when their candidate doesn’t win, under questionable circumstances. They will, of course, have cornered themselves such that they won’t be able to ask questions themselvses. In the bargain, they are now fostering a culture of fear. Fear of asking questions. Fear of insisting that our democracy be transparent, of the people, by the people and for the people. If it were only themselves they were hurting by fostering that culture, I wouldn’t give a damn. But rest assured, their comments, actions and attitudes will be leveraged, as we move forward, to hurt all of us.
For the record, I am neither a Clinton supporter nor an Obama supporter (nor a supporter of anyone else in the race at this time, in any party.) I am a supporter of the VOTERS. Period. It’s they — us — who could really use some support right about now. I intend to do exactly that. All damned year. No matter how many “tin foil hats” the shortsighted, self-destructive Kossack types, who are behaving like the worst of the Republicans, try to throw at me.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 9 2008 11:20 utc | 4

A bit of disgusting trivia…
Even as the situation in Iraq continues to unravel into chaos and nightmare, the Codpiece will be spending a week in Jerusalem at the King David hotel (2600$ a night).
He will be wearing a white terry bathrobe embossed with his name in gold as he enjoys tomorrow and Friday morning the sun rising over the Old City – the lights will all be turned off in the morning (at his request!) so that he can see it as King David might have seen it.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 9 2008 12:31 utc | 5

WaPo’s Ignatius says Maliki is out(?): A Surge Against Maliki

A new movement to oust Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is gathering force in Baghdad. And although the United States is counseling against this change of government, a senior U.S. official in the Iraqi capital says it’s a moment of “breakthrough or breakdown” for Maliki’s regime.
The new push against Maliki comes from Kurdish leaders, who, U.S. and Iraqi sources told me, sent him an ultimatum in late December.

The anti-Maliki forces would like to replace him with Adel Abdul Mahdi, one of Iraq’s vice presidents and a leader of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, headed by Abdul Aziz al-Hakim. Mahdi’s supporters think they can muster the 138 votes needed for a no-confidence vote in parliament, by combining 53 votes from the Kurdish parties with 55 from Sunni groups and 30 from Hakim’s Islamic Council. Add another 40 votes from supporters of former prime ministers Ayad Allawi and Ibrahim al-Jafari, and you’re close to the two-thirds majority needed to form a new government.

The biggest obstacle to removing Maliki is the Shiite religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, who is said to be frustrated with Maliki’s poor performance but wary of dividing the Shiite alliance. “Najaf [Sistani’s headquarters] is unhappy,” said one top Iraqi leader. But the senior U.S. official said he was “certain” that Sistani had not yet blessed any change of government.

Unlikely to happen …

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2008 12:35 utc | 6

Fred Hiatt and the WaPo editors want you to know that there are grown ups and others. The headline says it all.
The Comeback Grownups – New Hampshire keeps the races nicely unsettled.

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2008 12:38 utc | 7

The Angry Arab has a good explanation for the suprising results in New Hampshire:

Race and Voting behavior. The media were surprised with the results yesterday. They should not have. People who study voting behavior note that voters often lie about their electoral intentions especially when race is involved. White voters inflate their desire to vote for a black candidate and the black candidate almost always capture less of the white vote than was previously projected by opinion polls or even by exit polls. When Doug Wilder was first elected as the first black governor, he received far less of the white vote than was projected in opinion surveys. Similarly, when the Nazi David Duke ran governor he captured more of the white vote than was projected before the election. So voters often register their responses fearing that they may be perceived as racist. People who study voter behavior in UK have also noticed that Thatcher was receiving more support in the 1980s than was projected in opinion surveys: many young British voters were relectant to tell pollster of their intentions to vote for her because it was not cool among the young to voter for a Conservative candidate.

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2008 13:07 utc | 8

b @ 8
Known as the Bradley effect.
Also:
Iowa: open caucuses
NH: private voting booth
The BE may have played a part in the outcome, but other factors were in play as well: disgust with the media, good ground organization, union backing, a good last minute argument by Gloria Steinem in the NYT (most “popular opinion” article) and the turnout of women for HC over Obama.
The profile of NH voters is quite interesting.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 9 2008 13:31 utc | 9

B -8: This is an effect that Steve Gilliard constantly pointed to when it came to the few foolish Black Republican candidates, who usually got lured by promises of white vote and got owned big time on election day.
Though, as Brad said, I wouldn’t rule out a bit of “mismanagement”; I bet the GOP would prefer to face Clinton – and the neo-cons would rather have a chance at having H. Clinton than risking B. Obama as president, even if he tries to play the hawk from time to time.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Jan 9 2008 13:48 utc | 10

Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there.
Yep, had my account at dkos locked for mentioning Diebold and Black Box Voting.
The secret of the demagogue is to make himself as stupid as his audience so that they believe they are as clever as he.<\i>
– Karl Kraus

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 9 2008 14:47 utc | 12

Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there.
Yep, had my account at dkos locked for mentioning Diebold and Black Box Voting.
The secret of the demagogue is to make himself as stupid as his audience so that they believe they are as clever as he.<\i>
– Karl Kraus

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2008 14:47 utc | 13

reuters: Philip Agee, ex spy who exposed CIA, dies in Havana

HAVANA (Reuters) – Philip Agee, a former CIA spy who exposed its undercover operations in Latin America in a 1975 book, died in Havana, the Cuban Communist Party newspaper Granma said on Wednesday.
Agee, 72, died on Monday, the newspaper said, calling him a “loyal friend of Cuba and staunch defender of the people’s struggle for a better world.”
Agee worked for the Central Intelligence Agency for 12 years in Washington, Ecuador, Uruguay and Mexico. He resigned in 1968 in disagreement with U.S. support for military dictatorships in Latin America and became one of the first to blow the whistle on the CIA’s activities around the world.

Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 15:42 utc | 14

What a great country! What a great horse race! What a great drama! What a performance!
What a performance.
Over here at the Upper East Side Liberation Army headquarters, we’re sipping brandy and smokin’ Havana cigars over this New Hampshire performance. We left the smoking gun in plain sight, and the rubes and talking heads walk right past it, and talk right past it, and talk about hope and victories.
The internal polls of the Clinton and Obama bean counters both showed Clinton losing by ten to fourteen points. So did the public polling.
The paper ballots used in the voting booths showed that same ratio after they were run through the optical scanners, counted, and then stacked up on the table. The piles were a bit higher on the Obama stack, just like people told everyone beforehand they would be.
Ah, but a third of the votes were counted electronically, with no paper trail, no possibility of audit or recount, and no possibility of Hillary losing this little local spat.
Nine out of ten electronic votes went for Hillary. Her digital vote stack towers over Obama’s, defying any kind of logic, defying gravity, common sense, and analysis. And the public swallows this shit whole.
What a performance.
When you go to the race track, and bet on a horse you like, without considering that the same people own the race track and every horse in it, and win without a hitch whether you win or lose on one of their horses, you are a sucker, a rube. Might as well flush your money, kid.
When you take your money to a casino, and give your favorite games a whirl, without considering that the same people own the casino, every game in it, the hotel, the buffet and the parking garage, and win without fail whether you win or lose on one of their games, you are a sucker, a rube. Might as well flush your money.
What was decided in New Hampshire is that Clinton and McCain will face off next November, and one of them will win the Oval Office.
This was not decided by the voters.
They just provided the bulk of the ballots. They just provided the extras and stage hands and ushers. They got in line, and pulled levers, without considering that the process is now owned and operated by UESLA. The One Percenters.
We own the place because we run the place. We run the place because we own the place.
Because we count the votes.
Here’s to rubes, here’s to suckers, here’s to you kids.
What a performance.

Posted by: UESLA | Jan 9 2008 15:52 utc | 15

electoral politics as entertainment, or, as francis vincent zappa once said, “politics is the entertainment branch of industry”. gotta reel those ‘viewers’ in so you can max out your ad time rates. more eyeballs glued to the media circus == more revenue for the network owners.

Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 16:16 utc | 16

OK UESLA, There are reports that Obama won the paper vote, but lost the electronic vote. And some attempts to explain this discrepancy have referred to the “Bradley Effect”. Hence, its not quite clear yet whether all or just some of the credit for Hilary’s “surge” should go to UESLA.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 9 2008 16:17 utc | 17

Just googled MoA for magma, didn’t find this so think no one else posted. (did find my speculation on magma under Greenland ice on an OT 11/5/07)
Magma may be melting Greenland ice: Hot spot could be contributing factor to Arctic island’s record melt
It’s from 12/17/07, but new to me.(Found it at a blog attached to NY Times

Posted by: plushtown | Jan 9 2008 16:58 utc | 18

Bush is having a press conference with Olmert and coming down strong on Iran. Olmert is really a madman. Olmert talks of Bush’s determination to do what he knows is right to defend his principles and the security of Israel. (This in reference to Iran}. Bush is sidestepping the question of applying pressure to stop the settlements.
Don’t watch if you have High blood pressure.

Posted by: ww | Jan 9 2008 16:58 utc | 19

There is no race as long as Edwards plays RALF NADER to split the anti-Hilary vote. Before a single caucus or primary Hilary leaped out of the gate with over 150 super-delegates committed to her. Yes, Bill Clinton is a super-delegate thanks for asking.
Here is the current break down:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/
Clinton: 183
Obama: 78
Edwards: 52
Richardson: 19
Kucinich: 1
==========================

Posted by: noodlesoup | Jan 9 2008 19:20 utc | 20

the world must forget once & for all the bizarre burlesque which passes for electoral politics in the united states. it has no significance in the struggle for freedom & self determination in the world. on the contrary it is an illussion that does great harm in trying to view any sort of flexibility, any sort of quantitative or qualitative change in the completely reactionary politics of those united states
the world has a great deal to fear & very little light to see. obama is not the light – nor is any of his number seeking the nomination for presidency.
& the elites of the western world in general are getting worse not better – sarkozy brown, merkel, rudd harper etc etc come from the darkest places in politics – they also share in hatred of the great mass of the people – especially their own people who they openly regard with contempt
in much the same way as their entwined bosses like rupert murdoch

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 19:46 utc | 21

the peacock report: U.S. Weighs Financial Backing of Oil Refinery Modernization

The U.S. government may offer financial backing to the private sector to build new oil refineries and to modernize existing petroleum-production facilities — in China.
According to a planning document that The Peacock Report has obtained, the U.S. Trade and Development Agency (USTDA) — a White House agency based in Arlington, Va. — intends to send private consultants to China to assess the status of that nation’s refinery capabilties. This USTDA “definitional mission” will produce recommendations on whether U.S. taxpayers should financially assist — and ultimately modernize — the Chinese oil industry.

It should be noted that The Peacock Report previously uncovered a separate USTDA initiative to pay for a feasibility study that likewise would benefit the Chinese petroleum industry (TPR, May 16, 2006); however, in that case the agency was helping to subsidize a project to facilitate the construction of the world’s largest petrochemical in the world — a facility jointly owned by the Saudi Arabian royal family and Dalian Shide Group, a Chinese conglomerate with more than $2 billion in annual revenues.

Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 20:05 utc | 22

rgiap is right about the fake U.S primaries/elections, as are Uncle $cam and others. The historical key though to the plans of the tippy-top of the mass-hating scum elite’s is the inevitabilty of coastal wipeout, likely followed by deliberate diseases, famines for the inland many, and control eventually by food and medicine armies from out of town. I doubt many scum elite know this, possibly not even the fabled 72, just have been promised that something good (for them) will happen, and many even of them are likely betrayed and left on coasts, or rounded up after.

Posted by: plushtown | Jan 9 2008 20:13 utc | 23

6 u s soldiers killed in diyali in booby trapped house

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 20:45 utc | 24

I find it interesting that as soon as the New Hampshire results came in MoA users, obviously unhappy at the result, were questioning the honesty of the process, I was puzzled with my own anger at Obama’s loss. The bloke is no different in character, willingness to hawk his fork to the highest bidder, or preparedness to advance empire, than the other candidates, most of all the execrable Hilary Clinton, so why are we so pissed?
I suspect it is the Underdog Effect. Conservatives favour a winner, people who imagine they have ‘won’ themselves favour other winners, but the bulk of the population who are lucky to win two bar raffles in their lifetime feel for the underdog, the person who may against all odds, just get up. Until a few days ago Obama seemed to be that underdog and has probably returned to that status again.
Much of the underdog tag has been intentional, it has been cultivated, but some parts are genuine. Sure his roots are middle-class not descended from slaves, this is no product of a mega-ghetto but nevertheless his progress has been against the odds. Lets not forget Obama has only been on the national stage since late 2004 – he has never been a state governor or any of the other ‘heavy hitter’ type Washington outsiders, whatever we may believe his real instincts are Obama is an outsider when compared to the the other political whores who have been selling their brand for decades. That means the ‘hope’ thing he so wisely highlighted even works for the jaded old cynics who populate the MoA site. There is an infinitesimally small chance he could be on the up and up.
Even if that isn’t true, won’t it be fun to see the look on the faces of the old hacks, Clinton in particular, when some ‘upstart’ pulls the brass ring out from their grasp?
So if we do have a bit of a preference for Obama ahead of the other hacks, why did he lose? How come others didn’t feel the same? I realise that some feel this thing was stolen but I’m not so sure. Not because I don’t believe Clinton wouldn’t steal it if she could but because I don’t believe that such extremes were necessary.
Well, we know that few others do share many of the opinions of MoA-ites, so our feelings about Obama don’t automatically translate into the opinions of a larger group.
But even here there is little acknowledgment of the terrible power of a concerted mass-media campaign.
Just after Iowa, Bill Clinton who is both with the Hilary campaign and standing back, almost critiquing it like an old pro, was asked how he felt about New Hampshire in light of the Iowa caucuses. His reply went something like “I’m sure we will turn it around, but it is only five days. If it were 10 days I know we would turn it around.”
Clinton knows that if the big guns are brought to bear then barring a fuck-up like “there are no weapons of mass destruction”, or the incorrect use of cigars, the territory will always be taken.
‘Old trouper’ Hilary pulled out all stops – from ‘bravely’ crying to steal the underdog tag, to the Steinham article, every opportunity to push her barrow was taken and the New Hampshire dems wilted under the onslaught.
In the parallel universe of tweedledum exactly the same thing was happening with the rethug primary. The big guns have finally acknowledged that Southern Baptists don’t go for Mormons so they had better deal with the devil they know and don’t trust than the one they don’t know at all. McCain copped the imprimatur and was made holder of the holey banner until 2012 when things may look better. In terms of outright injustice to the front-runner by the party machine, it could be argued that Huckerbee got a much rawer deal than Obama. No one notices or cares though, the rethugs aren’t gonna win shit this year.
Back to the main game – it is likely that many of the ploys used in New Hampshire had been packed into the Clinton arsenal with the thought that they would only be dragged out in an extreme situation much further into the primary. Clinton’s armory must be looking bare after this.
If Obama can regain the initiative with sheer hard canvassing at the grassroots, Hilary’s gonna be buggered. How many times can you cry on TV before people ask is that gonna be the plan for OBL’s next big gig. Tears?
The Steinham article was also much too soon in the cycle. Middle class feminists do great things for middle class women, poor undereducated women are frequently worse off under their policies which are to create opportunity in the chattering class sector, thereby diverting resources from anti-poverty programs. Putting out the Steinham piece now, means there is enough time for advocates for poor women, african-amerikan women especially, to confront this flaw. Clinton will also struggle to raise much more money since most of it has been corporate and many of the donors are on their limit. New Hampshire must have taken a goodly chunk. Obama’s grass roots organisers come much cheaper than a TV spot in prime time.
If Obama turns this around once more, that will be the time for the Clintons to try and rig the results, a ploy that then won’t be available for the main event. We may not know how they do it but I betcha all the ‘operators’ keep up on their opponents techniques so they can counter them.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2008 20:53 utc | 25

Possible vote fraud in Iowa caucuses?
“Official” results, anybody in Iowa who wants to compare their experience to da numbahs?

Posted by: catlady | Jan 9 2008 21:21 utc | 26

Congratulations, DeAnander! Hope you’ll keep posting great stuff online, here and elsewhere. Your words bring to back, time and again, from despair.

Posted by: catlady | Jan 9 2008 21:23 utc | 27

Bon Voyage De Anander. Hope your new house is big enough for the 50 or so Moonies that will flock up there when they declare martial law here.
You blaze a new path, and make me want something similar.
Best of luck.

Posted by: Jake | Jan 10 2008 0:34 utc | 28

Yes, good luck DeAnander on the boat! Happy times!
to anna missed @ 3 — excellent! What–positive, I’m hoping–do you see happening at the sides? (Assuming the centre is president-idol)

Posted by: Argh | Jan 10 2008 1:18 utc | 29

And of course thanks to b and all the commentators!

Posted by: Argh | Jan 10 2008 1:19 utc | 30

With the incredibly sad news of four American children thrown off a bridge
by their own father, the more truly ironic, since “a bridge” is a financial
term for how wealthy people get from one Montauk to another across a chasm
of debt, without getting their Loeffler Randall’s wet, and throwing our own
children ‘off the bridge’ is how they intend to bridge US$, comes this riff:
http://libcom.org/book/export/html/3
Bedtime reading for when your own children get thrown off the bridge in turn:

THE CONQUEST OF BREAD
Petr Alekseevich Kropotkin
“Take, indeed, a civilized country.
The forests which once covered it have been cleared, the marshes drained, the climate improved. It has been made habitable. The soil, which bore formerly only a coarse vegetation, is covered to-day with rich harvests. The rock-walls in the valleys are laid out in terraces and covered with vines bearing golden fruit. The wild plants, which yielded nought but acrid berries, or uneatable roots, have been transformed by generations of culture into succulent vegetables, or trees covered with delicious fruits. Thousands of highways and railroads furrow the earth, and pierce the mountains. The shriek of the engine is heard in the wild gorges of the Alps, the Caucasus, and the Himalayas. The rivers have been made navigable; the coasts, carefully surveyed, are easy of access; artificial harbours, laboriously dug out and protected against the fury of the sea, afford shelter to the ships. Deep shafts have been sunk in the rocks; labyrinths of underground galleries have been dug out where coal may be raised or minerals extracted. At the crossings of the highways great cities have sprung up, and within their borders all the treasures of industry, science, and art have been accumulated.
Whole generations, that lived and died in misery, oppressed and ill-treated by their masters, and worn out by toil, have handed on this immense inheritance to our century, (on to all of us).
For thousands of years millions of men have laboured to clear the forests, to drain the marshes, and to open up highways by land and water. Every rood of soil we cultivate in Europe has been watered by the sweat of several races of men. Every acre has its story of enforced labour, of intolerable toil, of the people’s sufferings. Every mile of railway, every yard of tunnel, has received its share of human blood.
The shafts of the mine still bear on their rocky walls the marks made by the pick of the workman who toiled to excavate them. The space between each prop in the underground galleries might be marked as a miner’s grave; and who can tell what each of these graves has cost, in tears, in privations, in unspeakable wretchedness to the family who depended on the scanty wage of the worker cut off in his prime by fire-damp, rock-fall, or flood?
By what right then can any one, (or any group or political party whatever) appropriate the least morsel of this immense whole and say — This is mine, not yours?”

Then it was a tithe to the church, and a tithe to the crown, 35% or more.
Today it’s a tithe to the Federal, and a tithe to the Banks, 65% or more!
Yet real wages stagnated 35 years ago, and real dollars devalued by 35%!!
http://blip.tv/file/520347
Enjoy some new gulag humor, not so funny when you recall 8 short years ago.
And so, would you like some boiled turnips with your cabbage soup, comrade?
Because, really, when you stop the chatter, that’s what it’s coming down to.

Posted by: Duane Abernathy | Jan 10 2008 4:36 utc | 31

Debs wrote:
But even here there is little acknowledgment of the terrible power of a concerted mass-media campaign.
I’ve been thinking so much about it. In fact, I’ve been wondering if there is any point in staging these things anymore. Haven’t they been reduced to sideshows?
It’s the power of the media combined w/virtually ALL the primaries in a 4-8 wk. span. That means that to seriously contend, one has to spend the year before raising $2-300 Million. (I heard this figure last night from a guy who is Very Active & knowledgeable about campaigns.). You have to field massive organizations in many states simultaneously. So, the real election is the year before, when anyone interested meets w/Elites to see what they want in exchange for the money. Then in 1-2 mos. they figure out the hot button words that will manipulate the masses this cycle. Political Discussion? It’s one word “Change”. So, everyone now is cutting & pasting from the Kucinich-Edwards phrasebook. The masses are asked, as far as I can tell, if they want vanilla or chocolate ice cream cones – Obama, HClinton…I represent Change … no I represent Change…Last time the main issue was “putting Soc. Sec. in ‘lock box'”. Is anyone even promising to preserve it this time.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT??
The role of the Corporate Propaganda Apparatus is to tell the masses which candidates please the Elites – err, I mean, “have a realistic chance”.
It’s in this context that our comments about NH primary should be understood. Could it possibly be that they are already this far reduced to farcically empty forms, yet they still rig the results? Gotta admit that’s astonishing…
Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Anyone else similarly stupified, flabbergasted, etc. w/extent to which elections have been reduced to empty forms, wayy beyond anything in the past. And it’s not like there has Ever been a candidate who represents the interests of the American People, since FDR, so why bother…
Obamination is just some silly carboard cutout cartoon of a person, & the rest are his echo chamber….

Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 4:47 utc | 32

Did anyone else find rather odd, Huckabee’s primary party music the other night?
Also Sprach Zarathustra…Nietzsche…Ubermensche….2001: A Space Odyssey, tool-using apes evolving into spacemen who meet the galactic overlords….
weird sh*t, man

Posted by: catlady | Jan 10 2008 4:55 utc | 33

from The Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program
New Publication: The Global ‘ Go-To Think Tanks’

Global “Go-To Think Tanks” is a report that identifies some of the leading public policy research organizations in the world. This project grew out of never ending requests from journalists, scholars and government officials who want a list of the leading think tanks in a particular country or region of the world. Global”Go-To Think Tanks” is the culmination of 18 months of polling and surveying to create that list.
The attached report summarizes the findings of this pilot project and identifies what might be called the “go to think tanks” in every region of the world. Institutions were nominated by a panel of over 50 experts from around the world. The participants in this project agreed to submit their lists of high performance think tanks and then rank the combined list so that the top think tanks might be identified. The panel selected from the 288 think tanks that were nominated as institutions that distinguished themselves by producing rigorous and relevant research, publications and programs.

they purposely exclude u.s. thinktanks from their overall global list (usa has 1776 thinktanks – next closest country is uk w/ 283) and also break down by top thinktanks by region. someone may find it useful so i’m throwing it into our linktank

Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 4:55 utc | 34

http://www.philipsmucker.com/Photos/Pages_Afghanistan/index.htm
Now comes 30,000+ Marines, headed south to kick a little Talib ass.
Wonder if anyone at MoA can imagine their camp, the traffic conflicts
between Strykers and AF donkey carts, the diversion of precious food,
water and fuel, starlight-goggle Blackhawk gatling guns in the night,
& aerial-spray Monsanto Roundup, reducing arid plateaus to salt flats.
None dared call it genocide. Wahhabi Taliban, Cheneyi Halliban, same.
One goal. Reduce population and oil production to keep profits high,
and with those profits, build AF oil & gas pipelines for China’s use.
One solution. Kill your TV. Kill your SUV. Heat with wood. Grow food.
http://www.unicycle4kids.org/kinesis/template.php?section=fNews
Notes from My Second Summer in Afghanistan

Posted by: Nutter Butter | Jan 10 2008 6:18 utc | 35

# 15 & #21: I’ve found myself in this same basic frame of mind. Given the state of our e-voting here in the U.S., one has to conclude that ALL elections using e-voting methods should be suspect. Bev Harris,of blackbox voting.org has proven over and over again that e-voting results cannot be trusted. Until the e machines are outlawed everywhere, I believe much of the process is theater.

Posted by: Ben | Jan 10 2008 6:27 utc | 36

R’giap is absolutely correct when he says electoral politics in amerika is a bizarre burlesque. We must not let it divide us by encouraging various groups who favour one sock puppet over another to argue between each other, but we should probably still observe it to stay across the current modus operandi of tyranny.
For example Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have been admitted far enough into the ‘club’ to be allowed to participate in some national fora where their ‘outlandish’ ideas can be shown to be that by the less recalcitrant tools of the rich and powerful, but they aren’t trusted enough to sit in on crucial national debates where their arguments could undermine the shared reality, the ‘big lies’.
Tom Engelhardt a man who doesn’t miss much has posited today, what the world, in particular these primaries, could be like if there were no “Global War on Terra”.

Consider the debate among four Democratic presidential candidates on ABC News last Saturday night. In the previous week, the price of a barrel of oil briefly touched $100, unemployment hit 5%, the stock market had the worst three-day start since the Great Depression, and the word “recession” was in the headlines and in the air. So when ABC debate moderator Charlie Gibson announced that the first fifteen-minute segment would be taken up with “what is generally agreed to be… the greatest threat to the United States today,” what did you expect?
As it happened, he was referring to “nuclear terrorism,” specifically “a nuclear attack on an American city” by al-Qaeda (as well as how the future president would “retaliate”). . .

This does not conflict with the earlier contention that the one subject that all sock-puppet wannabes, the media and the current administration, will avoid throughout ’08 is discussion of Empire, because casting the current ethically bereft amerikan foreign policy and the domestic oppression which re-inforces it as essential elements of GWOT neatly steps around issues of empire by scaring citizens enough to accept that these are all purely defensive actions.
Of course in order to achieve that while allocating so much time (25% of the dem debate) to this subject there must be no chipping away at the brittle foundations which support big lies. Both Kucinich and Paul have effectively discredited the falsehoods around GWOT in other earlier debates and in doing so won a reasonable chunk of support for themselves. But that was then when the myth of it all being up for grabs was being re-set.
We are now in the sharp end where citizens are encouraged to hang off every word of “these great men and women of modern amerika”. There is no room for doubt now. Which means no room for Kucinich or Paul.
Neither have much in the way of a warchest so no one has been concerned about them ‘stealing’ the primaries, not when as we just saw, a concerted media bombardment can push Obama onto his backfoot. Obama has much bigger warchest and far less cogent arguments than the two who have lost part of the script.
No! The efforts to keep those two out of the debate has been to ensure that the GWOT remains an ‘accepted truth’, uncontested by any ‘responsible’ ‘credible’ figure who has public support. Acceptance of GWOT renders discussion of empire irrelevant. This isn’t to establish hegemony, steal resources or control markets, “we fight for peace. To protect ourselves”, cries every sanctioned debater.
It is both silly and cowardly to expect the people of Iraq or Afghanistan to put empire back on the table by cranking up the violence and subjecting themselves to any more deaths, maimings and robbery at the hands of the imperial troops without a supporting strategy. Amerikans must find a way to do this themselves, because it is they who will lose the most if their nation does continue down the dead end freeway of empire dreaming.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 10 2008 7:00 utc | 37

A few thanks and salutations are in order:

  • I add my voice to the chorus of best wishes for DeAnander.
  • DID’s comments on the NH primary are, as always, astute, although my interest is rather more in the integrity of the vote counting process than in the winner it produced. Despite the admittedly theatrical aspects of the primary electoral campaigns and their anodyne social function, I remain among those benighted souls who view that process as one of the preferred avenues of social betterment. Revolutionary change may be necessary and desirable, but a violent revolution in the U.S. is certainly not. One hopes for another “great conservative” (a contemporary improvement on FDR), along the lines Daniel Moynihan probably had in mind when he preached (vainly) to Nixon about “Tory reform”.
  • As usual b real‘s contribution to the linktank is of interest and in this case a bit strangely so: While the 16 think tanks that Ethiopa boasts may merely raise an eyebrow, the 6 to be found in the Maldives, together with the lonely exemplars in St. Kits-Nevis, the Seychelles, Grenada, and Samoa or the 5 in Puerto Rico can not fail to set off dreams of any academic approaching pensionable age.
  • The excerpt from Kropotkin was also enjoyable
  • Finally, the following link gives a tabulation of results in hand-counted precints vs. machine counted precints from the NH primary. Thanks also to the Ron Paul supporter who assembled the data given there, which at first glance seems disconcerting. Whether the anomalies clearly present in the data are indeed statistically significant remains open to discussion.

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 10 2008 8:03 utc | 38

    Just heard Brad Friedman, of bradblog.com, on Mike Malloy. No question that NH was rigged. Results for all cand. except HC & Obamination conformed to pre-election polling predictions. Her internal polls showed her losing by 11%. His showed him winning by approx. same margin. Even their results conformed to pre-election polling in All precincts, Except those where DieBold machines were used. Yet again, election DieBolded…

    Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 8:51 utc | 39

    Finally WMD ARE found in Iraq!!!
    ’05 Use of Gas by Blackwater Leaves Questions

    Suddenly, on that May day in 2005, the copter dropped CS gas, a riot-control substance the American military in Iraq can use only under the strictest conditions and with the approval of top military commanders. An armored vehicle on the ground also released the gas, temporarily blinding drivers, passers-by and at least 10 American soldiers operating the checkpoint.

    Both the helicopter and the vehicle involved in the incident at the Assassins’ Gate checkpoint were not from the United States military, but were part of a convoy operated by Blackwater Worldwide, the private security contractor that is under scrutiny for its role in a series of violent episodes in Iraq, including a September shooting in downtown Baghdad that left 17 Iraqis dead.

    Officers and noncommissioned officers from the Third Infantry Division who were involved in the episode said there were no signs of violence at the checkpoint. Instead, they said, the Blackwater convoy appeared to be stuck in traffic and may have been trying to use the riot-control agent as a way to clear a path.

    The military, however, tightly controls use of riot control agents in war zones. They are banned by an international convention on chemical weapons endorsed by the United States, although a 1975 presidential order allows their use by the United States military in war zones under limited defensive circumstances and only with the approval of the president or a senior officer designated by the president.
    “It is not allowed as a method or means of warfare,” said Michael Schmitt, professor of international law at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. “There are very, very strict restrictions on the use of CS gas in a war zone.”

    Posted by: b | Jan 10 2008 9:25 utc | 40

    Will someone watch this for me? I can’t see it for now.
    The Return of the King… for Kucinich

    After complimenting Mortensen’s film performances, Hannity said, “In spite of everything, I’m going to forgive your politics…”
    “You don’t have to,” said Mortensen. ” I’m not going to forgive yours.”

    sorry if already posted.

    Posted by: beq | Jan 10 2008 15:44 utc | 41

    Phooey, botched first link and can’t find it now…

    Posted by: beq | Jan 10 2008 15:53 utc | 42

    hkol – re the maldives & perceived/received images of it –
    Hill & Knowlton’s Maldives Role Still Generating Heat

    The role of the PR firm Hill & Knowlton (H&K) in polishing the image of the authoritarian government of the Maldives has become the centrepoint of a controversy between the former Foreign Minister, Dr. Ahmed Shaheed, and the current Information Minister, Mohamed Nasheed.

    Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 16:16 utc | 43

    [comment manually released from typepad’s spam trap]
    Following on from Hannah at 4, and others, I have now looked at the NH results.
    The issue of rigging can *only* be addressed by comparing Diebold count places vs hand counts places. NH actually has a suitable spread for such a comparison (often not the case.) Ad hoc interpretations of the overall result (eg. Bradley effect, though I’m not sure that has any validity, but that is another question) are besides the point.
    That comparison shows that Diebold vs. Hand heavily favored, and in a very consistent way, Clinton and Romney. I don’t have the spreadsheets so can’t run the standard tests but take it from me (if you feel like it, I mean: I have 20 years weekly nay practically daily experience with such stuff…) these results are ‘significant’ in the sense that the difference between Diebold and Hand were not due to chance, not random. You can see that intuitively if you look.
    Interpreting the difference is a second step. An obvious candidate is the vote-count method itself; another is town (where Diebold is significantly, statistically speaking, more frequent, although how you define or describe ‘town’ in NH is another problem) vs country, where Hand is more usual.
    This seems to be the favorite disculpating interpretation for the moment. Other interpretations would have to rest on, or integrate, that difference (Diebold more common in ‘town’), so would have to be linked to something ‘towny’ vs. something ‘rural’ (eg. demographic make up, culture, habits, no. of unemployed, recipients of welfare, car use, religion, etc. etc.) One would have to turn to other studies and it gets complicated. But it could be done.
    My mind is made up, as I analyzed part of the 2000 Bush-Gore debacle. So I’m influenced by that (it is called the Halo effect.)
    Note: 1) Exit polls in the US are secret. Only the media and Gvmt. get to see them, the precise data is not available to the public; all one can obtain is mish-mashed summaries put out by the usual culprits, lathered in obfuscating commentary. This ensures that no one can actually compare or relate US results to those of other countries, or studies. Exit polls are highly accurate, to always within 1% in the EU, often with a much narrower margin (eg Germany.) Differences like that noted in the US don’t exist: every statistician, mathematician, Gvmt. type who is clued in, scientist, the UN, etc. etc. knows…well what they know. Fear keeps their lips zipped.
    The tools to analyse and conclude exist. They are not used in the US in public, and only rarely in the scientific literature (but that varies..). The same state of affairs pertains in the domain of health/drugs/public health, education, pollution. By contrast, not in agriculture or energy (as far as I can see, and the comparison is rough..)
    The topic of vote counting is taboo in the US, relegated to ‘opinion’ and ‘interpretation’ – that is conspiracy theorists vs. state or corporate lackeys, or to militants who either support the status quo or those who lobby for ballots and hand counts.
    the world must forget once & for all the bizarre burlesque which passes for electoral politics in the united states. to quote rgiap.
    The results are worthless and no sense can be made of them.
    posted by hannah already
    neggie net -enter your own parameters to see breakdown
    moseley
    one blogger
    2006, AG denies vote fraud in NH

    Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:39 utc | 44

    tried to post twice no luck! I’m a spammer.

    Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:40 utc | 45

    Following on from Hannah at 4, and others, I have now looked at the NH results.
    The issue of rigging can *only* be addressed by comparing Diebold count places vs hand counts places. NH actually has a suitable spread for such a comparison (often not the case.) Ad hoc interpretations of the overall result (eg. Bradley effect, though I’m not sure that has any validity, but that is another question) are besides the point.
    That comparison shows that Diebold vs. Hand heavily favored, and in a very consistent way, Clinton and Romney. I don’t have the spreadsheets so can’t run the standard tests but take it from me (if you feel like it, I mean: I have 20 years weekly nay practically daily experience with such stuff…) these results are ‘significant’ in the sense that the difference between Diebold and Hand were not due to chance, not random. You can see that intuitively if you look.
    Interpreting the difference is a second step. An obvious candidate is the vote-count method itself; another is town (where Diebold is significantly, statistically speaking, more frequent, although how you define or describe ‘town’ in NH is another problem) vs country, where Hand is more usual.
    This seems to be the favorite disculpating interpretation for the moment. Other interpretations would have to rest on, or integrate, that difference (Diebold more common in ‘town’), so would have to be linked to something ‘towny’ vs. something ‘rural’ (eg. demographic make up, culture, habits, no. of unemployed, recipients of welfare, car use, religion, etc. etc.) One would have to turn to other studies and it gets complicated. But it could be done.
    My mind is made up, as I analyzed part of the 2000 Bush-Gore debacle. So I’m influenced by that (it is called the Halo effect.)
    Note: 1) Exit polls in the US are secret. Only the media and Gvmt. get to see them, the precise data is not available to the public; all one can obtain is mish-mashed summaries put out by the usual culprits, lathered in obfuscating commentary. This ensures that no one can actually compare or relate US results to those of other countries, or studies. Exit polls are highly accurate, to always within 1% in the EU, often with a much narrower margin (eg Germany.) Differences like that noted in the US don’t exist: every statistician, mathematician, Gvmt. type who is clued in, scientist, the UN, etc. etc. knows…well what they know. Fear keeps their lips zipped.
    The tools to analyse and conclude exist. They are not used in the US in public, and only rarely in the scientific literature (but that varies..). The same state of affairs pertains in the domain of health/drugs/public health, education, pollution. By contrast, not in agriculture or energy (as far as I can see, and the comparison is rough..)
    The topic of vote counting is taboo in the US, relegated to ‘opinion’ and ‘interpretation’ – that is conspiracy theorists vs. state or corporate lackeys, or to militants who either support the status quo or those who lobby for ballots and hand counts.
    the world must forget once & for all the bizarre burlesque which passes for electoral politics in the united states. to quote rgiap.
    The results are worthless and no sense can be made of them.

    Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:42 utc | 46

    ah I cut out the links.

    Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:44 utc | 47

    can’t post them sorry.

    Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:46 utc | 48

    Unless I misunderstood, in speaking about Paul and Kucinich, Debs is dead stated in #37:
    Neither have much in the way of a warchest…
    Ron Paul has more net funds in his war chest than any of the Republican frontrunners and has set an all-time US record for the most funds raised in a day: $6 mln. Best of all, it is from individuals instead of lobbies and big corporate interests.
    But the media and the entrenched political powers-that-be are not going to permit an antiwar candidate to win. Period.
    And I do with they would limit this political campaigning to a maxmimum of, say, six months or so. I am so wore out that I am becoming apathetic.

    Posted by: Ensley | Jan 10 2008 17:29 utc | 49

    companion piece to b’s #40
    secrecynews: Army Manual Describes Doctrine on Riot Control Agents

    “A United States military spokesman in Baghdad refused to describe the current rules of engagement governing the use of riot control agents,” according to the Times story.
    But to a great extent, those rules of engagement are specified in a U.S. Army Field manual which describes the permitted uses of riot control agents in wartime and in peacetime, as well as the authority required to employ them.
    The 2003 Field Manual, which is still in effect, is FM 3-11.11, “Flame, Riot Control, and Herbicide Operations,” March 10, 2003.
    The document has not been approved for public release, but a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. About 25 pages of the document, which detail the preparation of explosive devices, have been withheld from online publication by Secrecy News.

    Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 17:39 utc | 50

    a few links with interesting & plausible (IMHO) takes on the Bradley-Effect:
    the reverse Bradley-Effect
    You may have heard of the Bradley Effect, a phenomenon where black candidates poll much better than they do on election night. This is usually attributed to voters telling pollsters one thing, but then voting against the black candidate in the privacy of the voting booth.
    I wonder if Barack Obama benefited from a Reverse Bradley Effect.
    In the Iowa Democrat caucuses, you make your preference known by standing in a corner with other supporters of your candidate. To the sort of white liberal who goes to an Iowa caucus, this must have seemed like a golden opportunity to show your next-door neighbors just how enlightened and progressive you are, by supporting the liberal black candidate. Hence I suspect that Obama may have scored better than he would have in a secret-ballot election, and benefited from a Reverse Bradley Effect.

    the positive Bradley-Effect
    Its worrisome that the Bradley-Effect is an issue. Whats more worrying, from surfing around, is how difficult it is for some people to simply admit that it even exists. Hopefully it does not become a significant factor in the primaries. But if I was Obama, I would be extra careful about believing the polls, especially in states with private (non-caucus) voting.

    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 10 2008 18:43 utc | 51

    Ben Bernanke just now on CNBC:
    “My thoughts are incohate.” (audience laughter)

    Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Jan 10 2008 18:43 utc | 52

    # 52 decoded – Either he’s saying I’m hysterical or I dare not say in public what I’m thinking.
    Something truly funny & wonderful just happened – just heard on Thom Hartmann –
    FBI stopped paying it’s phone bills, so the Telecomms cut off their wiretaps. (No Joke.)

    Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 19:39 utc | 53

    Funny.
    We Hate Bill Kristol So Much That We Wrote a Song About It

    Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 10 2008 20:38 utc | 54

    I suspect I am one of few to find this funny. yeah, I know, it is a filthy habit.
    Boss fires staff for not smoking

    Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 10 2008 21:17 utc | 55

    I can’t believe that after 150 years of smoking I finally quit. It is a whole new world out there!

    Posted by: Jake | Jan 11 2008 3:05 utc | 56

    Is Denial A Social Necessity?

    “In the modern vernacular, to say someone is ‘in denial’ is to deliver a savage combination punch: one shot to the belly for the cheating or drinking or bad behavior, and another slap to the head for the cowardly self-deception of pretending it’s not a problem. Yet recent studies from fields as diverse as psychology and anthropology suggest that the ability to look the other way, while potentially destructive, is also critically important to forming and nourishing close relationships. The psychological tricks that people use to ignore a festering problem in their own households are the same ones that they need to live with everyday human dishonesty and betrayal, their own and others’. And it is these highly evolved abilities, research suggests, that provide the foundation for that most disarming of all human invitations, forgiveness.”

    Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11 2008 6:56 utc | 57

    Is Denial A Social Necessity?

    “In the modern vernacular, to say someone is ‘in denial’ is to deliver a savage combination punch: one shot to the belly for the cheating or drinking or bad behavior, and another slap to the head for the cowardly self-deception of pretending it’s not a problem. Yet recent studies from fields as diverse as psychology and anthropology suggest that the ability to look the other way, while potentially destructive, is also critically important to forming and nourishing close relationships. The psychological tricks that people use to ignore a festering problem in their own households are the same ones that they need to live with everyday human dishonesty and betrayal, their own and others’. And it is these highly evolved abilities, research suggests, that provide the foundation for that most disarming of all human invitations, forgiveness.”

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 6:56 utc | 58

    Thanks to Tangerine and and b real for the links and comments made above. b real‘s observation of Hill and Knowlton’s involvement in “polishing” the images of the Maldives should come as no surprise, but I confess to having previously viewed the Maldives merely as a vacation spot, rather than as a “strategic asset” of some sort. Certainly it’s interesting to speculate on what kind of “triangulations” there are between H & K, their clients, and the intelligence agency sponsors and facilitators who remain only barely visible in the murky background. Someone here at MOA must know good references regarding such
    “manufacturers of consent” and their spooky cohorts.
    I have the impression that the Clinton victory in New Hampshire is proving to be “just what the doctor ordered” for her campaign and for the self-styled “adult” community of the foreign policy establishment. Pat Lang’s SST blog today gives vent to unconcealed joy at the chastisement of Obama’s children’s crusaders and the pro-Obama media mavens, although to my mind Obama’s foreign policy positions are the worst being proposed by Democratic candidates (and therefore, one assumes, commendably “adult”).
    I am very very happy to see that Dennis Kucinich is filing for a recount in New Hampshire as reported at Bradblog, not to verify his vote count, but rather to attempt to insure the integrity of the vote counting process. I assume that it will be ridiculed and very likely “truncated” before leading to conclusive results, but at least some sort of attempt to impose trasparency is being made by one of the direct participants. One would hope that other candidates (espcecially some Republicans) join in the Kucinich request.
    Finally, CNN today dedicated a “Keeping them honest” slot to Ron Paul for some of his newsletters from the late 1980’s and early 1990’s. The excerpts cited were fully comparable to the kind of rhetoric that cost Trent Lott his Senate leadership position and George Allen his Senate seat. Moreover Paul’s explanation seemed (to me) to be rather weak. Paradoxically, the exhumation of precisely that kind of gun-toting red-neck rhetoric may serve Paul very well in some upcoming Republican primaries.

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 9:13 utc | 59

    I have the impression that the Clinton victory in New Hampshire is proving to be “just what the doctor ordered” for her campaign and for the self-styled “adult” community of the foreign policy establishment.
    For her campaign only. Obamination’s foreign policy guy is the Emperor’s left hand – Zbig.
    Be sure to keep checking bradblog for updates. For those of us who don’t do much TV, he informs you that Chris Matthews announced the real exit polling data, which is accurate to w/in 1%. It showed that indeed, Obamination did win. Isn’t this the first election in which they have stopped using exit polling, or was it ’06. Not using that is surrendering to not informing the masses that elections are rigged.
    But speaking of Kucinich, the big news is from Cleveland. Current Mayor, is following the Kucinich tradition of courage. He’s suing a huge number of banks for acting like the Mafia in housing crisis. Haven’t found anything written on precise charges. I wonder if Catherine Austin Fitts consulted, as radio rpt. had him sounding just like her. Stay tuned to this, though if it’s in Federal Court, they’ll throw it out quickly.

    Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2008 10:18 utc | 60

    FBI Wiretaps Dropped Due to Unpaid Bills

    Telephone companies cut off FBI wiretaps used to eavesdrop on suspected criminals because of the bureau’s repeated failures to pay phone bills on time, according to a Justice Department audit released Thursday.

    Why do I feel this is bullshit?

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 13:58 utc | 61

    @58,
    interesting link and interesting experiments.
    that these researchers suggest that denial may be the foundation of forgiveness means they are referring to just one type of forgiveness.

    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 14:14 utc | 62

    Picked up from comments on Craig Murray’s blog with the following more prolix link to observercyprus.com

    The briefing notes used by Blair on December 7 2005, titled ‘Detainees’ were signed by a private secretary at the Foreign Office and addressed to Grace Cassey, assistant private secretary at 10 Downing Street. The document is a shocking revelation not of what the government knew, but what it did not wish to know, and admits complacency and ignorance. It states clearly that Extraordinary Rendition “is almost certainly illegal,” and advises Blair that in dealing with the issue in public, “We should try to avoid getting drawn on detail, at least until we have been able to complete the substantial research required to establish what has happened even since 1997; and try to move the debate on.””
    I caught something on TV that one of the documents involved suggested something rendition-related took place on UK territory, other than the CIA flights. Wondered if this document was the source of this.

    (My (HKOL) emphases added toward the end, the first for the edification of the Clintonites.)

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 14:19 utc | 63

    @60,
    I watched the clip & someone said that unlike with the Democrats, the Republican exit polls were spot-on accurate.
    one poll statistic that Obama’s staff will be tracking with interest is “Undecideds”. Whenever it looks high may indicate some potential weirdness.

    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 14:27 utc | 64

    This link to a Larry Johnson post picked up at the Friday Lunch Club is a useful supplement to the comments on Hill and Knowlton from 43 and 59 and also has one rather good “zinger”. Another variant on disinformation purveyed by “our betters” for “our own good and protection”. Fortunately “our religious fanatics” are the “good guys”.

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 14:49 utc | 65

    hkol – since you seem to read more LJ than i have, has there been any mention of his new job – VP for an organization involved in resource exploitation in africa – which i pointed out in the last savedarfurian thread? his new boss has been trying to extort billions (“It is our belief that the damages could exceed US$ 10 billion”) from sudan on some questionable oil contracts.

    Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2008 15:47 utc | 66

    Yeah, there’s some schadenfruede going on my part when victims of domestic negligence ask for more recompense than actually physically exists to give them: Katrina Victim Sues For $3 Quadrillion
    Snip…

    Hurricane Katrina’s victims have put a price tag on their suffering and it is staggering – including one plaintiff seeking the unlikely sum of $3 quadrillion.
    A whopping $3,014,170,389,176,410 is the dollar figure so far sought from some of the largest claims filed against the federal government over damage from the failure of levees and flood walls following the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.
    Of roughly 489,000 total claims, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said it has received 247 for at least $1 billion apiece, including the one for $3 quadrillion.
    “That’s the mother of all high numbers,” said Loren Scott, a Baton Rouge-based economist.
    For the sake of perspective: A mere $1 quadrillion would dwarf the U.S. gross domestic product, which Scott said was $13.2 trillion in 2007. A stack of one quadrillion pennies would reach Saturn.
    Some residents may have grossly exaggerated their claims to send a message to the corps, which has accepted blame for poorly designing the failed levees.
    “I understand the anger,” Scott said. “I also understand it’s a negotiating tactic: Aim high and negotiate down.”

    But I have to take exception when it comes to this particular statement…

    Daniel Becnel, Jr., a lawyer who said his clients have filed more than 60,000 claims, said measuring Katrina’s devastation in dollars and cents is a nearly impossible task.
    “There’s no way on earth you can figure it out,” he said. “The trauma these people have undergone is unlike anything that has occurred in the history of our country.”

    Oh, really? It is qualitatively or quantitatively different than any other trauma that has occured in the history of “our country”…? Some folk would beg to differ… except those folk won’t see a single US red cent in recompense, nor the satisfaction of seeing their very human oppressors held legally accountable: Abu Ghraib Officer: Probe Was Incomplete
    Snip…

    The revelation that the Army threw out the conviction of the only officer court-martialed in the Abu Ghraib scandal renewed outrage from human rights advocates who complained that not enough military and civilian leaders were held accountable for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
    Those critics found an unlikely ally in the officer himself, Lt. Col. Steven L. Jordan, whose conviction on a minor charge of disobeying an order was dismissed this week, leaving him with only an administrative reprimand.
    Jordan told The Associated Press on Thursday he believes many officers and enlisted soldiers did not face adequate scrutiny in the investigation that led to convictions against 11 soldiers, none with a rank higher than staff sergeant.
    He said the probe was “not complete” and that a link between abusive interrogations at Abu Ghraib and in military prisons at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in Afghanistan was not adequately established.
    If rough interrogation techniques were taught to the soldiers who abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Jordan said, “the question at that point is, who’s responsible for that? Is it Donald Rumsfeld? (Lt.) Gen. (Ricardo) Sanchez? … I don’t know.”
    Barring any startling new information, the decision by Maj. Gen. Richard J. Rowe, commander of the Military District of Washington, to throw out Jordan’s conviction brings an end to the four-year Abu Ghraib investigation. And it means no officers or civilian leaders will be held criminally responsible for the prisoner abuse that embarrassed the U.S. military and inflamed the Muslim world.

    So the Abu Ghraib scandal will not be an issue, nor even mentioned, as we go into the 2008 election year? This is my shocked face.

    Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 11 2008 16:48 utc | 67

    b real – Heartfelt thanks for “encouraging” me to look at your contributions to b‘s last Save Dafur thread. I had only skimmed it very superficially and didn’t realize what a wealth of extremely interesting links (all senses) that thread contained. I occasionally browse Johnson’s No Quarter blog, which is, in a way I suppose, a sort of CIA analog of what Pat Lang’s SST blog is with respect to the DIA. I mean no disrespect intended for either Lang or Johnson with that analogy. (By the way, I note that today Johnson too is almost jumping for joy at Hillary’s NH win, and links to this rather unconvincing (for me, even numerically) explanation for that victory.)
    I haven’t seen any mention of Jarch Capital there, but don’t claim to have perused the site carefully.
    I know the William of Occam would not approve, but I can’t resist asking if my vague recollection that the insurance on Larry Silverstein’s holdings at the WTC were originally held by AIG but where sold off to European re-insurers shortly before, well you can guess. Or is that just another “internet legend”? If not it certainly goes into the archive of interesting “coincidences”.

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 17:06 utc | 68

    @ Monolycus 67
    It would seem that lawyers representing the Katrina refugees have mastered “extortionate victimism”, but comments like Becnel’s could lead to charges of “implicit holocaust denial” against him.

    Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 17:23 utc | 69

    Papieren, Bitte.

    Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 11 2008 17:36 utc | 70

    Huh?..
    Lebanon: As Nahr al-Bared Recovery Continues, Militant Leader Threatens New Attacks

    The voice of fugitive militant leader Shakir al-Abssi arose like a specter from Lebanon’s recent past yesterday. In a voice recording posted on the Internet, the radical leader of the Fatah al-Islam terrorist group threatened further attacks against the nation’s U.S.-backed army.
    (snip)

    Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:33 utc | 71

    Huh?..
    Lebanon: As Nahr al-Bared Recovery Continues, Militant Leader Threatens New Attacks

    The voice of fugitive militant leader Shakir al-Abssi arose like a specter from Lebanon’s recent past yesterday. In a voice recording posted on the Internet, the radical leader of the Fatah al-Islam terrorist group threatened further attacks against the nation’s U.S.-backed army.
    (snip)

    Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:34 utc | 72

    (Sorry about the double post)
    Something US people should want to be aware of:
    US downgrade threat an attack on Social Security/Medicare

    Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:40 utc | 73

    Ahh, damn, the anniversary of the “surge.” and I forgot to send a card or white powder.

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 18:46 utc | 74

    More Questions About Diebold Voting Machines
    Did Hillary Really Win New Hampshire?

    this article is an excellent explanation of how the NH voting system works and has helped me clear up my mis-conceptions. Its also the best analysis I’ve seen that supports the suspicion that there may be a serious “problem” with the electronic voting machines used in NH.
    1) Assuming that reports of the unusual & troubling discrepancy/skew between the exit polls & the announced result are true (i.e that Obama won the exit polls but lost the result), is this due to the Bradley-Effect or is it due to electronic “malfunction” ? Note that neither the Hillary surge nor other normal voting phenomenons can be a cause of exit-poll discrepancy.
    2) Further assuming the report in the link above (that states that Obama won the paper vote but lost the electronic vote) is true, the explanation for this could be either electronic “malfunction” or some normal voting phenomena. Note that this is an admissible factor only because IMHO, the link does a pretty good job of debunking normal voting phenomena as a possible cause. YMMV.
    Both of these two “facts” point to electronic “malfunction” as a potential suspect. But only one points to the Bradley-Effect.
    Hopefully Kuchinich’s re-count request will clear this up.

    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 21:12 utc | 75

    monolycus
    i have a feeling that the journalist chris gelken who now works for irans presstv is an old korea hand do you know of him ?

    Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2008 22:34 utc | 76

    It seems like not a day goes by where I don’t read something about food prices increasing. Even with higher market prices, less acreage is being planted in the U.S. for corn and soybeans. Not just a U.S. problem, but food shortages and/or price increases will be felt globally.
    Today’s news:
    Soybeans Soar to Record, Grains Rally as Demand Erodes Supply

    Posted by: Rick | Jan 12 2008 0:15 utc | 77

    Rick, 2 Issues:
    1) Industrial Agriculture requires 10kcal of fossil fuel energy, for 1kcal food energy produced. Hence, soaring oil prices mean soaring food prices.
    2) Ethanol production, plus chinese eating more meat, so grain supply not able to meet demand.

    Posted by: jj | Jan 12 2008 4:20 utc | 78

    The headlines say Hil Clinton is proposing a stimulus package to jump start the economy. This is a pure bullshit that its her proposal. Her friend Robert Rubin of Citi was on C-Span where he presented the proposal with Alice Rivlin, Mark Zandi of Moody’s, former Reagan guy Martin Feldstein, and some young sap. The paper was wrote at the Hamilton Project, Rubins Wall Street economic think tank for DLC democrats, and presented at the Brookings Institute so progressives wouldn’t be too spooked.
    As one of the topics here says, its amazing how when the money center banks get in trouble and a candidate like Edwards is talking populism the elites want to prime the fiscal pump because they fear massive revolt from the sheeple. The middle class and lower class is lossing faith in the system and the elites know it.
    The Rubins want to spread some crumbs to pacify the masses.

    Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 4:59 utc | 79

    Obama’s 21st Century Foreign Policy
    This interview pretty much sums up why a President Obama with probably another ‘black’ democratic ass. secretary of state for african affairs Susan Rice (as she was in the Clinton administration)would amount to a continuation of the same type of foreign policy that has slaughtered and mocked soo many people and nations.
    Race and American Politics
    I found the complex discussion about race in American politics and the mechanisms of achieving viability as a ‘black’ candidate illuminating. The utter substantive emptiness of Obama’s political platform – much as Hillary’s – makes sense in connection to the pecularities of the American political system and race relations.

    Posted by: BenIAM | Jan 12 2008 5:43 utc | 80

    Alamet posted about Social security above; I thought those whom were interested would really want to read this informative link: Bush’s Plan to Loot Social Security in 2008
    Snip:

    Bush recently lied to one of his captive, GOP-only “town-hall” audiences, in characteristically illiterate language, that there is no trust fund. “The money, payroll taxes going into the Social Security, are spent,” Bush said. “They’re spent on benefits and they’re spent on government programs. There is no trust.”
    Bush was right in one regard, there is no trust in him on the part of any sane American.

    Snip:

    The Big Lie that Social Security System will run out of money by the year 2029 (or 2034 or 2037) is based on projections by Wall Streeters using FAKE STATISTICS projecting U.S. growth in the next 75 years at 1.4% anually. Over the past 75 years the American economy has been growing at about 2.8% annually. Even during the worst economic times in the U.S. – during the 1930s depression – the economy grew at 1.9%. The lies of Bush and his financier backers are plain for anyone to see!

    Snip:

    Dubya has a long history of lying about Social Security. When he ran for Congress in 1978 he lied that unless people were given personal investment accounts Social Security would go broke by 1988!
    (See: “Years Invested in Social Security Plan,” Los Angeles Times, 1/30/05)

    Much ,ore at the link, you may need the info soon…
    Bonus: CHANGE for the better: NEW BUSH COINS. 😉

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 12 2008 6:08 utc | 81

    @R’Giap #75
    No, I’m afraid I wasn’t familiar with him. According to the home page I found, he was attached to the Korea Journal-Herald which would have put him in Seoul (about two hours north of me via the high-speed KTX train). I will occasionally read a physical newspaper, however my location does not facilitate radio reception and I haven’t even turned on my television in well over a year.
    A Google search of some his recent articles reveals a fairly kindred spirit, although he seems a bit on the optimistic side regarding what scandals have the capacity to “cripple” the Bush administration. Interesting reading.

    Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 12 2008 6:41 utc | 82

    New ID Rules May Complicate Air Travel
    Snip…

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act’s rules on Friday, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.
    The deadline is an effort to get states to begin phasing in the REAL ID program. Citizens born after Dec. 1, 1964, would have six years to get a new license; older Americans would have until 2017.
    Chertoff said that for any state which doesn’t seek such a waiver by May, residents of that state will have to use a passport or certain types of federal border-crossing cards if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.
    “The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can’t get one,” Chertoff said. “But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress.”
    The plan’s chief critic, the American Civil Liberties Union, called Chertoff’s deadline a bluff _ and urged state governments to call him on it.
    “Are they really prepared to shut those airports down? Which is what effectively would happen if the residents of those states are going to have to go through secondary scrutiny,” said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU’s technology and liberty program. “This is a scare tactic.”
    So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act’s provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.
    Maine officials said Friday they were unsure if their own state law even allows them to ask for a waiver.
    It certainly seems to be an effort by the federal government to create compliance with REAL ID whether states have an interest in doing so or not,” said Don Cookson, spokesman for the Maine secretary of state’s office.

    To begin with, I am unsure what a license to operate a motor vehicle(and that is what is being altered) has to do with one’s ability to travel, and secondly, I would like very much to see the actual bill the US Congress allegedly passed according the the fourth paragraph of this article. I would also like to understand why the proposals for this that I have seen include an RFID chip inside each card which can be read by a scanner from 25 meters away and even while the bearer of the card is travelling at speeds up to 85 km/hr. Whatever this is, it is most certainly not about making air travel any safer.
    I tried to post this story* last night, but it got stuck in TypePad’s excellent spam filter. Now, Bernhard could fish it out if he had the time to do so, but then it would appear back in the list where it had originally been posted. In order for it to then be read, I have to presume that the MoA readers must, like I am presuming Bernhard must, have an infinite amount of free time on their hands in which they re-read every thread multiple times and memorize what had appeared before and what hadn’t.
    Re-posting a link which had already been snagged is a vile circumvention on my part of TypePad’s excellent attempts to pressure Bernhard into developing greater time-management skills and encouraging the readership here to develop more acute faculties of memory. I can’t help myself. I’m a natural subversive. My only hope is that agencies of the state will eventually detain and re-educate me so that future efforts to improve the populace will not be hindered by provocative individuals such as myself. This new REAL ID proposal (do we still even call it a “proposal” at this point?) will certainly facilitate that.
    *Note: The headline and body of this story have been changed radically since my first posting approximately eight or ten hours ago. When I had posted it the first time, the headline was something along the lines of “Feds Unveil New ID Regulations” and the air travel angle was mentioned as something of an aside. I linked to it with the words “Papieren, Bitte.” While I think it’s of interest to the community at large, I was primarily hoping for a response from our dear Uncle.

    Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 12 2008 7:20 utc | 83

    @jdp, do you have some links, or more detail?

    Posted by: jj | Jan 12 2008 10:04 utc | 84

    In voiding suit, appellate court says torture is to be expected

    A federal appeals court Friday threw out a suit by four British Muslims who allege that they were tortured and subjected to religious abuse in the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a ruling that exonerated 11 present and former senior Pentagon officials.

    The three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled that the detainees captured in Afghanistan aren’t recognized as “persons” under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act because they were aliens held outside the United States. The Religious Freedom Act prohibits the government from “substantially burdening a person’s religion.”
    The court rejected other claims on the grounds that then-Attorney General John Ashcroft had certified that the military officials were acting within the scope of their jobs when they authorized the tactics, and that such tactics were “foreseeable.”

    Posted by: b | Jan 12 2008 10:38 utc | 85

    Israel’s true friendsTwo supporters of Israel in Congress say it isn’t about the lobby.

    John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt are at it again, attempting to poison the well of American politics with their misleading depiction of an Israeli stranglehold on presidential candidates and elected officials like us. In their Op-Ed article, the two professors charge that the so-called Israel lobby, composed of pro-Israel Jews, Christians and their “friends in the media,” manipulates American political leaders to act counter to American — and, in their view, Israeli — interests.

    If the Palestinian Authority is powerless to rein in terrorism, and Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel in Gaza and the West Bank, with whom are the Israelis to broker a peace?

    Destruction of Israel IN Gaza and the West Bank??? What has Israel to do in Gaza and the West Bank in the first place???

    Posted by: b | Jan 12 2008 11:23 utc | 86

    jj,
    I went to bed after posting. One mistake, the Hamilton Project is under the Brookings Institute, you can look at http://www.brookings.edu. The other person on the panel was Jason Furman.
    For the Hamilton Project you can go to: http://www.brookings.edu/projects/hamiltonproject.aspx.
    You will find the same old Dem DLCers such as Roger Altman, John Podesta, Rubin, and all the other DLC hacks.
    On the site to the right you can read the paper “If, when, How: A Primer on Fiscal Stimulus.”

    Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 15:46 utc | 87

    jj and others, a couple other question need to asked, maybe they have been on the site, but I haven’t been here much.
    1. As stated on the other thread, has Keynes rose from the dead?
    2. If Bush goes along with this stimulus does it mean that supply side economics is officially rejected?
    3. Will the conservative true believers fight this proposed stimulus package? If they go along, their whole philosophy for the last 30 years is shot.
    4. Can we finally due away with the mantra that tax cuts produce more revenue?
    5. Will the Rubin Wall Streeters see the mistake in doing away with Glass-Steagle and consider breaking up the large banking houses into seperate insurance, brokerage and banking entities like before all this trouble started?
    Just some questions.

    Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 15:55 utc | 88

    Where else but America can a black female Olympic star be stripped of her medals and her wealth and imprisoned for six months, while
    a white male American baseball player can thumb his nose at his doping charges, and an old white male American senior bureaucrat can
    commit war crimes, treason, and egregious war profiteering, amassing a private fortune of some $500M, and nobody even calls him on it?
    Is this a great country, or what?!

    Posted by: Chilly Willy | Jan 12 2008 15:59 utc | 89

    @Monolycus, #83
    Here’s the legislation Congress passed back in 2005
    The relevant portion is down near the bottom, “TITLE II–IMPROVED SECURITY FOR DRIVERS’ LICENSES AND PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS”
    There’s a lot of very concerning stuff in there, and of course none of it has anything to do with “improved security”. If they cared about safety, getting a drivers’ license would require you to prove you can safely operate a motor vehicle, not prove you are who you say you are. It’s just a federal ID, without having to actually call it a federal ID.

    Posted by: Chemmett | Jan 12 2008 18:29 utc | 90

    McClatchy, again, does some decent reporting:
    Economic inequality, not just tribalism, spurs clashes in Kenya

    Posted by: biklett | Jan 12 2008 19:52 utc | 91

    @Chemmett #90
    Thank you very much, although that was a tremendous amount to slog through. You’re very correct, none of this has to do with the ability to safely operate a motor vehicle. At no point in that long and intentionally vague list of requirements does it say anything about having to prove that one knows how to drive.
    It also never comes out and says that an RFID chip, such as the one I described above in #83, is required… as has been jeeringly pointed out to me elsewhere. What it does say is this:

    (8) Physical security features designed to prevent
    tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for
    fraudulent purposes.
    (9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined
    minimum data elements.

    So, if not RFID, then what “common machine-readable technology” are we talking about, with what “minimum data elements”? That sounds exactly like RFID, and if they aren’t discussing that (bar codes? And again, what “data elements”? Biometric data? Consumer profile?), they’ve left the door for it wide open by being as deliberately opaque as possible.
    As someone who tries to stay as up-to-date on political matters as I can (here and elsewhere), I can only ask why I didn’t hear about this passage in 2005. This was buried at the bottom of the bill and separate from all the other Title II provisions… it doesn’t actually appear until after a discussion of Title VI. This is backroom legislation, pure and simple, and the obnoxiousness of it is that the unclear wording is a blank check which invites selective enforcement while telling us absolutely nothing.

    Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 13 2008 9:26 utc | 92

    Right, they certainly could use RFID, although I don’t know of any states that are planning to do so yet. Other possibilities are barcodes or magnetic stripes like credit cards.
    Like you, I didn’t hear anything about this back when it was passed. I can’t help but wonder what other legislation that was passed years ago and everyone has forgotten about will start taking effect in the near future.

    Posted by: Chemmett | Jan 15 2008 1:56 utc | 93