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January 9, 2008
Open Thread 08-02
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Via Feral Scholar, longtime Whiskey Bar and MoA commentator DeAnander moved to Canada. Good luck DeA! The US starts a major “secret” operation in Diyala to capture “al-Qaeda” fighters only to learn that those have left a few days ago. Wack the mole … Is it me or has this election cycle already taken on the aura of a cheap traveling carnival, even more than it usually does? The people seem anxious, hot to trot, and out in in bigger numbers than usual. Rushing from one ( 2hour line for a) thrill ride or rigged game of chance to the next with nervous expectation, desperately looking for either some vicarious badge of courage by association, or some newly minted identity born of context, or simply an over sized pink stuffed trophy to parade around with. This is surely the atmosphere of bright lights and sportscasting soap opera commentary the media have constructed in order to amplify the ephemeral, the emotional, and the personal into a deafening orchestral white noise drowning out any vestiges to the cold reality of political circumstance. And like the sleeze ball operators behind every ride and game they they own the field, define the rules, declare the winners, and celebrate the victors insuring that above all, the show must and will go on. At least until the go’ers are all worn out and broke. I remember back in the 60’s when the carnival t-shirt of choice were either labeled “slave” or “master”. Those were the good old days. Posted by: anna missed | Jan 9 2008 10:29 utc | 3 I think that this recent post Bradblog
Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 9 2008 11:20 utc | 4 A bit of disgusting trivia… Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 9 2008 12:31 utc | 5 WaPo’s Ignatius says Maliki is out(?): A Surge Against Maliki
Unlikely to happen … Fred Hiatt and the WaPo editors want you to know that there are grown ups and others. The headline says it all. The Angry Arab has a good explanation for the suprising results in New Hampshire:
b @ 8 Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 9 2008 13:31 utc | 9 B -8: This is an effect that Steve Gilliard constantly pointed to when it came to the few foolish Black Republican candidates, who usually got lured by promises of white vote and got owned big time on election day. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Jan 9 2008 13:48 utc | 10 Video of Iran ‘attack’ on three US warships released by Pentagon;”You will explode after two minutes”. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2008 13:54 utc | 11 Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 9 2008 14:47 utc | 12 Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2008 14:47 utc | 13 reuters: Philip Agee, ex spy who exposed CIA, dies in Havana
Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 15:42 utc | 14 What a great country! What a great horse race! What a great drama! What a performance! Posted by: UESLA | Jan 9 2008 15:52 utc | 15 electoral politics as entertainment, or, as francis vincent zappa once said, “politics is the entertainment branch of industry”. gotta reel those ‘viewers’ in so you can max out your ad time rates. more eyeballs glued to the media circus == more revenue for the network owners. Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 16:16 utc | 16 OK UESLA, There are reports that Obama won the paper vote, but lost the electronic vote. And some attempts to explain this discrepancy have referred to the “Bradley Effect”. Hence, its not quite clear yet whether all or just some of the credit for Hilary’s “surge” should go to UESLA. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 9 2008 16:17 utc | 17 Just googled MoA for magma, didn’t find this so think no one else posted. (did find my speculation on magma under Greenland ice on an OT 11/5/07) Bush is having a press conference with Olmert and coming down strong on Iran. Olmert is really a madman. Olmert talks of Bush’s determination to do what he knows is right to defend his principles and the security of Israel. (This in reference to Iran}. Bush is sidestepping the question of applying pressure to stop the settlements. Posted by: ww | Jan 9 2008 16:58 utc | 19 There is no race as long as Edwards plays RALF NADER to split the anti-Hilary vote. Before a single caucus or primary Hilary leaped out of the gate with over 150 super-delegates committed to her. Yes, Bill Clinton is a super-delegate thanks for asking. Posted by: noodlesoup | Jan 9 2008 19:20 utc | 20 the world must forget once & for all the bizarre burlesque which passes for electoral politics in the united states. it has no significance in the struggle for freedom & self determination in the world. on the contrary it is an illussion that does great harm in trying to view any sort of flexibility, any sort of quantitative or qualitative change in the completely reactionary politics of those united states Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 19:46 utc | 21 the peacock report: U.S. Weighs Financial Backing of Oil Refinery Modernization
Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 20:05 utc | 22 rgiap is right about the fake U.S primaries/elections, as are Uncle $cam and others. The historical key though to the plans of the tippy-top of the mass-hating scum elite’s is the inevitabilty of coastal wipeout, likely followed by deliberate diseases, famines for the inland many, and control eventually by food and medicine armies from out of town. I doubt many scum elite know this, possibly not even the fabled 72, just have been promised that something good (for them) will happen, and many even of them are likely betrayed and left on coasts, or rounded up after. 6 u s soldiers killed in diyali in booby trapped house Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 9 2008 20:45 utc | 24 I find it interesting that as soon as the New Hampshire results came in MoA users, obviously unhappy at the result, were questioning the honesty of the process, I was puzzled with my own anger at Obama’s loss. The bloke is no different in character, willingness to hawk his fork to the highest bidder, or preparedness to advance empire, than the other candidates, most of all the execrable Hilary Clinton, so why are we so pissed? Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2008 20:53 utc | 25 Possible vote fraud in Iowa caucuses? Posted by: catlady | Jan 9 2008 21:21 utc | 26 Congratulations, DeAnander! Hope you’ll keep posting great stuff online, here and elsewhere. Your words bring to back, time and again, from despair. Posted by: catlady | Jan 9 2008 21:23 utc | 27 Bon Voyage De Anander. Hope your new house is big enough for the 50 or so Moonies that will flock up there when they declare martial law here. Posted by: Jake | Jan 10 2008 0:34 utc | 28 Yes, good luck DeAnander on the boat! Happy times! Posted by: Argh | Jan 10 2008 1:18 utc | 29 With the incredibly sad news of four American children thrown off a bridge Posted by: Duane Abernathy | Jan 10 2008 4:36 utc | 31 Debs wrote: Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 4:47 utc | 32 Did anyone else find rather odd, Huckabee’s primary party music the other night? Posted by: catlady | Jan 10 2008 4:55 utc | 33 from The Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program
they purposely exclude u.s. thinktanks from their overall global list (usa has 1776 thinktanks – next closest country is uk w/ 283) and also break down by top thinktanks by region. someone may find it useful so i’m throwing it into our linktank Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 4:55 utc | 34 http://www.philipsmucker.com/Photos/Pages_Afghanistan/index.htm Posted by: Nutter Butter | Jan 10 2008 6:18 utc | 35 # 15 & #21: I’ve found myself in this same basic frame of mind. Given the state of our e-voting here in the U.S., one has to conclude that ALL elections using e-voting methods should be suspect. Bev Harris,of blackbox voting.org has proven over and over again that e-voting results cannot be trusted. Until the e machines are outlawed everywhere, I believe much of the process is theater. Posted by: Ben | Jan 10 2008 6:27 utc | 36 R’giap is absolutely correct when he says electoral politics in amerika is a bizarre burlesque. We must not let it divide us by encouraging various groups who favour one sock puppet over another to argue between each other, but we should probably still observe it to stay across the current modus operandi of tyranny.
This does not conflict with the earlier contention that the one subject that all sock-puppet wannabes, the media and the current administration, will avoid throughout ’08 is discussion of Empire, because casting the current ethically bereft amerikan foreign policy and the domestic oppression which re-inforces it as essential elements of GWOT neatly steps around issues of empire by scaring citizens enough to accept that these are all purely defensive actions. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 10 2008 7:00 utc | 37 A few thanks and salutations are in order:
Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 10 2008 8:03 utc | 38 Just heard Brad Friedman, of bradblog.com, on Mike Malloy. No question that NH was rigged. Results for all cand. except HC & Obamination conformed to pre-election polling predictions. Her internal polls showed her losing by 11%. His showed him winning by approx. same margin. Even their results conformed to pre-election polling in All precincts, Except those where DieBold machines were used. Yet again, election DieBolded… Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 8:51 utc | 39 Finally WMD ARE found in Iraq!!!
Will someone watch this for me? I can’t see it for now.
sorry if already posted. Posted by: beq | Jan 10 2008 15:44 utc | 41 hkol – re the maldives & perceived/received images of it –
Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 16:16 utc | 43 [comment manually released from typepad’s spam trap] Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:39 utc | 44 Following on from Hannah at 4, and others, I have now looked at the NH results. Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 10 2008 16:42 utc | 46 Unless I misunderstood, in speaking about Paul and Kucinich, Debs is dead stated in #37: Posted by: Ensley | Jan 10 2008 17:29 utc | 49 companion piece to b’s #40
Posted by: b real | Jan 10 2008 17:39 utc | 50 a few links with interesting & plausible (IMHO) takes on the Bradley-Effect: Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 10 2008 18:43 utc | 51 Ben Bernanke just now on CNBC: Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Jan 10 2008 18:43 utc | 52 # 52 decoded – Either he’s saying I’m hysterical or I dare not say in public what I’m thinking. Posted by: jj | Jan 10 2008 19:39 utc | 53 Funny. Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 10 2008 20:38 utc | 54 I suspect I am one of few to find this funny. yeah, I know, it is a filthy habit. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 10 2008 21:17 utc | 55 I can’t believe that after 150 years of smoking I finally quit. It is a whole new world out there! Posted by: Jake | Jan 11 2008 3:05 utc | 56
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11 2008 6:56 utc | 57
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 6:56 utc | 58 Thanks to Tangerine and and b real for the links and comments made above. b real‘s observation of Hill and Knowlton’s involvement in “polishing” the images of the Maldives should come as no surprise, but I confess to having previously viewed the Maldives merely as a vacation spot, rather than as a “strategic asset” of some sort. Certainly it’s interesting to speculate on what kind of “triangulations” there are between H & K, their clients, and the intelligence agency sponsors and facilitators who remain only barely visible in the murky background. Someone here at MOA must know good references regarding such Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 9:13 utc | 59 I have the impression that the Clinton victory in New Hampshire is proving to be “just what the doctor ordered” for her campaign and for the self-styled “adult” community of the foreign policy establishment. Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2008 10:18 utc | 60 FBI Wiretaps Dropped Due to Unpaid Bills
Why do I feel this is bullshit? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 13:58 utc | 61 @58, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 14:14 utc | 62 Picked up from comments on Craig Murray’s blog with the following more prolix link to observercyprus.com
(My (HKOL) emphases added toward the end, the first for the edification of the Clintonites.) Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 14:19 utc | 63 @60, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 14:27 utc | 64 This link to a Larry Johnson post picked up at the Friday Lunch Club is a useful supplement to the comments on Hill and Knowlton from 43 and 59 and also has one rather good “zinger”. Another variant on disinformation purveyed by “our betters” for “our own good and protection”. Fortunately “our religious fanatics” are the “good guys”. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 14:49 utc | 65 hkol – since you seem to read more LJ than i have, has there been any mention of his new job – VP for an organization involved in resource exploitation in africa – which i pointed out in the last savedarfurian thread? his new boss has been trying to extort billions (“It is our belief that the damages could exceed US$ 10 billion”) from sudan on some questionable oil contracts. Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2008 15:47 utc | 66 Yeah, there’s some schadenfruede going on my part when victims of domestic negligence ask for more recompense than actually physically exists to give them: Katrina Victim Sues For $3 Quadrillion
But I have to take exception when it comes to this particular statement…
Oh, really? It is qualitatively or quantitatively different than any other trauma that has occured in the history of “our country”…? Some folk would beg to differ… except those folk won’t see a single US red cent in recompense, nor the satisfaction of seeing their very human oppressors held legally accountable: Abu Ghraib Officer: Probe Was Incomplete
So the Abu Ghraib scandal will not be an issue, nor even mentioned, as we go into the 2008 election year? This is my shocked face. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 11 2008 16:48 utc | 67 b real – Heartfelt thanks for “encouraging” me to look at your contributions to b‘s last Save Dafur thread. I had only skimmed it very superficially and didn’t realize what a wealth of extremely interesting links (all senses) that thread contained. I occasionally browse Johnson’s No Quarter blog, which is, in a way I suppose, a sort of CIA analog of what Pat Lang’s SST blog is with respect to the DIA. I mean no disrespect intended for either Lang or Johnson with that analogy. (By the way, I note that today Johnson too is almost jumping for joy at Hillary’s NH win, and links to this rather unconvincing (for me, even numerically) explanation for that victory.) Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 17:06 utc | 68 @ Monolycus 67 Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 11 2008 17:23 utc | 69 Huh?..
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:33 utc | 71 Huh?..
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:34 utc | 72 (Sorry about the double post) Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2008 18:40 utc | 73 Ahh, damn, the anniversary of the “surge.” and I forgot to send a card or white powder. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2008 18:46 utc | 74 More Questions About Diebold Voting Machines Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 11 2008 21:12 utc | 75 monolycus Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2008 22:34 utc | 76 It seems like not a day goes by where I don’t read something about food prices increasing. Even with higher market prices, less acreage is being planted in the U.S. for corn and soybeans. Not just a U.S. problem, but food shortages and/or price increases will be felt globally. Posted by: Rick | Jan 12 2008 0:15 utc | 77 Rick, 2 Issues: Posted by: jj | Jan 12 2008 4:20 utc | 78 The headlines say Hil Clinton is proposing a stimulus package to jump start the economy. This is a pure bullshit that its her proposal. Her friend Robert Rubin of Citi was on C-Span where he presented the proposal with Alice Rivlin, Mark Zandi of Moody’s, former Reagan guy Martin Feldstein, and some young sap. The paper was wrote at the Hamilton Project, Rubins Wall Street economic think tank for DLC democrats, and presented at the Brookings Institute so progressives wouldn’t be too spooked. Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 4:59 utc | 79 Obama’s 21st Century Foreign Policy Posted by: BenIAM | Jan 12 2008 5:43 utc | 80 Alamet posted about Social security above; I thought those whom were interested would really want to read this informative link: Bush’s Plan to Loot Social Security in 2008
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Much ,ore at the link, you may need the info soon… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 12 2008 6:08 utc | 81 @R’Giap #75 Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 12 2008 6:41 utc | 82 New ID Rules May Complicate Air Travel
To begin with, I am unsure what a license to operate a motor vehicle(and that is what is being altered) has to do with one’s ability to travel, and secondly, I would like very much to see the actual bill the US Congress allegedly passed according the the fourth paragraph of this article. I would also like to understand why the proposals for this that I have seen include an RFID chip inside each card which can be read by a scanner from 25 meters away and even while the bearer of the card is travelling at speeds up to 85 km/hr. Whatever this is, it is most certainly not about making air travel any safer. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 12 2008 7:20 utc | 83 In voiding suit, appellate court says torture is to be expected
Israel’s true friends – Two supporters of Israel in Congress say it isn’t about the lobby.
Destruction of Israel IN Gaza and the West Bank??? What has Israel to do in Gaza and the West Bank in the first place??? jj, Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 15:46 utc | 87 jj and others, a couple other question need to asked, maybe they have been on the site, but I haven’t been here much. Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 15:55 utc | 88 Where else but America can a black female Olympic star be stripped of her medals and her wealth and imprisoned for six months, while Posted by: Chilly Willy | Jan 12 2008 15:59 utc | 89 @Monolycus, #83 Posted by: Chemmett | Jan 12 2008 18:29 utc | 90 McClatchy, again, does some decent reporting: Posted by: biklett | Jan 12 2008 19:52 utc | 91 @Chemmett #90
So, if not RFID, then what “common machine-readable technology” are we talking about, with what “minimum data elements”? That sounds exactly like RFID, and if they aren’t discussing that (bar codes? And again, what “data elements”? Biometric data? Consumer profile?), they’ve left the door for it wide open by being as deliberately opaque as possible. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 13 2008 9:26 utc | 92 Right, they certainly could use RFID, although I don’t know of any states that are planning to do so yet. Other possibilities are barcodes or magnetic stripes like credit cards. Posted by: Chemmett | Jan 15 2008 1:56 utc | 93 |
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