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January 12, 2008
Fresh Open Thread
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For starters, a small detail from a (usually rightwing) embedded reporter in Iraq:
What may those guys in the forward bases think about … Heads-up:
Time you all began to invest in some pitchforks and torches? Posted by: Alamet | Jan 12 2008 21:59 utc | 2 It looks like bubbles Greenspan has left the US economy on thin ice. The people and even the christian conservative are waking up to the class warfare thats been waged on the bottom 99% for the last thirty five years. As I noted on the last open thread, the Rubins of the world are starting to realize the damage. If you go to the Brookings Institute web site and read some the Hamilton Project papers, its clear they are getting a clue. Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 22:27 utc | 3 The people and even the christian conservative are waking up to the class warfare thats been waged on the bottom 99% for the last thirty five years. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 12 2008 22:44 utc | 4 Uncle, I said a clue not a full conversion. Posted by: jdp | Jan 12 2008 23:00 utc | 5 Hana Al-Bayaty:
It will be ignored of course. That oil is meant for Western consumption. And, studiously unhindered by the occupation, smuggling in Basra ensures it reaches its intended markets. Left without food, oil or electricity, Iraqis can freeze to death at home or abroad for all the world cares. Posted by: Alamet | Jan 13 2008 0:26 utc | 6 Showdown Looms Over Pirated-Media Directory – WSJ.com
Had to post this. Debate is raging right now in Sweden. A group of neoliberal/libertarian parliamentarians – led by Karl Sigfrid – within the conservative party (biggest party on the right, dominating the current right wing government (this being Sweden, picture them more as Democrats then Republicans really)) is calling for free filesharing. On one path is corporate control over (and profits from) Internet distribution of culture, on the other is civil rights and free culture. So I am rooting for the neolibs, rather a neolib with principels then a corporate owned conservative. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Jan 13 2008 1:20 utc | 7 ODE TO USURY Posted by: Yuri Suri | Jan 13 2008 2:26 utc | 8 i think ever since i have been here i have asked where is there bottom – how low can they go – to what extremes will they take their depravity Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 13 2008 2:34 utc | 9 In Europe between the 15th and 19th centuries, it is estimated that nearly eight million people were convicted of heresy and executed by fanatical witch-hunters in order to ‘save their souls’. Their death on the scaffold or the funeral pyre was for them release from agonizing torture, which often lasted for months in secret cells. Posted by: Adha Twenty | Jan 13 2008 2:51 utc | 10 Yeah, sorry jdp, I’m one of, as DId calls em, an MOA old cynic…lol Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 13 2008 4:27 utc | 11 Yeah Uncle, Posted by: jdp | Jan 13 2008 5:41 utc | 12 Blowback:
Geeze, b — @13 Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 13 2008 8:17 utc | 14 As Uncle would say, HaHaHaHa….or Jesus Christ, for short… Posted by: jj | Jan 13 2008 9:18 utc | 15 Just what we need: 🙁
Posted by: Fran | Jan 13 2008 9:57 utc | 16 Just what we need. 🙁
Posted by: Fran | Jan 13 2008 9:59 utc | 17 Sorry, it looked like the first time my post didn’t go through. 🙁 Posted by: Fran | Jan 13 2008 10:00 utc | 18 jeez there’s a weird sub text to that story about the vets keeping on killing when they get home. I only read page one since I don’t really want to roll around in amerikas raw sewerage but that first page was typical NYT dishonesty. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 13 2008 10:06 utc | 19 Debs, I don’t know how long its been since you visited our shores, but, things have changed. Demographics are changing so fast that every time I go to a public place (mall or such) familiarity is fast overcome by new culture. Ethnic and religious sectarian tension is skin deep – on top of generalized fear of “terrorism”. Any police action taken often scratches the surface enough to blow up in their face, so they are scared shitless and act in ways that escalate the tension. In large part, sectarian tension in a rapidly changing cultural landscape is why the federal government is allowed to get away with what they are doing in the name of security. Most people here understand that “terrorism” is anonoymous violence against the unwitting, which is the exactly the same as, minus the (direct) foreign origin, of what many Americans already feel threatened by. Posted by: anna missed | Jan 13 2008 10:43 utc | 20 – i had a long drive was thinking about all this and composed it more or less in me head and so wrote it out i’m a 9/11 nut part 2 the long term implications need some work – Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 13 2008 16:47 utc | 21 Just reading at kos. JohnEdwards called for a stimulus package on Dec 22, 2007. This never got any play. When Hil Clinton calls for a stimulus, its all over as some kind of wonderful inspiration, some kind of epiphany. Yet her stimulus is directly from the Hamilton Project. Posted by: jdp | Jan 13 2008 17:57 utc | 22 @19, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 13 2008 18:45 utc | 23 Good one Tangerine… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 13 2008 19:01 utc | 24 @ anna missed and jony_b_cool Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 13 2008 19:59 utc | 25 Cocaine Jet Linked to U.S.-Protected Narco-Trafficker
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 13 2008 22:02 utc | 26 Sorry Debs, didn’t mean to pop up out of nowhere and chastise you for giving the bloody Anglo Saxons a hard time. I loathe the old school tie brigade. Posted by: Tantalus | Jan 14 2008 1:32 utc | 27 @Tantalus good to see yer around,I wasn’t concerned at your perfectly reasonable comment on your countrymen, we’ve had this discussion before, most people who are born in England are just as much victims of the english we love to loathe as the rest of us, prolly more so. If we are unlucky enough to have an amerikan empire last for a couple of centuries that elite will gather more readily identifiable traits about themselves too. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 14 2008 8:26 utc | 28 ‘Bout time to call on Joe Bageant for subject wise commentary as he channels Guy Debords Society of the Spectacle for us common folk:
And yes the police are are players/victims just like the rest of us, with 180 KIA in 2007. Posted by: anna missed | Jan 14 2008 9:46 utc | 29 Marc Lynch rounds out the deciders big whirl-wind mid east tour from the Arab press’ point of view – big dud. Nothing against Iran, nothing about Iraq, no hope for the Palestinians. So much for “the road to freedom for Palestine goes through Baghdad”. Man, Carrot Top could be elected president, and the world would rejoice! Posted by: anna missed | Jan 14 2008 10:19 utc | 30 “And yes the police are are players/victims just like the rest of us,…” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 14 2008 10:31 utc | 31 Anybody knows something about this camp?
@ Uncle at 24 Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 14 2008 17:27 utc | 34 b@33 Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 14 2008 18:02 utc | 35 B @ 32 Posted by: Jake | Jan 14 2008 22:25 utc | 37 so the fascist criminal & mass murderer of the indonesian people & of the timorese – 1,500,000 people – 1 million it is said in the anti communist coup of 1965 engineered completely by the u s state department. john pilger for example writes very well of the sordi circumstances of the tyrants life – suharto goes slowly into his death – i only wish it had been as uncomfortable at those he inflicted on the world Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 15 2008 1:15 utc | 38 U$24: Posted by: Toulouse Thirtyseven | Jan 15 2008 3:47 utc | 39 US drafting plan to allow government access to any email or Web search Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 15 2008 4:34 utc | 40 In a pointed reference to US President George Bush’s recent comments on the Middle East conflict in which he talked of Israel’s “occupation” of the West Bank, Barenboim added: “Now even not very intelligent people are saying that the occupation has to be stopped.” Posted by: biklett | Jan 15 2008 6:32 utc | 41 Checking in with Nahr al-Bared, here are a few interesting readings: Posted by: Bea | Jan 15 2008 13:44 utc | 42 Audiotape purporting to be Shaker al-Absi – What was the message?
Make of it what you will. Posted by: Bea | Jan 15 2008 13:48 utc | 43 17 Palestinians die in Gaza violence
Sorry, DanofSteele. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 15 2008 14:44 utc | 45 Supermodel Naomi Campbell is dating Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, according to odd newspaper reports in the South American country. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 15 2008 15:21 utc | 46 Here is a Useful Chronology of events in Lebanon leading up to today’s mysterious bombing of a US Embassy car in which the sole passenger walked away uninjured while 4 Lebanese bystanders were killed. Posted by: Bea | Jan 15 2008 18:05 utc | 47 New Hampshire recount:
~ from the indefatigable BradBlog: Send Lawyers, Peace and Money Posted by: manonfyre | Jan 15 2008 20:27 utc | 49 (Thank you for the Nahr al-Bared links, Bea.)
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 15 2008 21:28 utc | 50 Bernhard # 32,
I fear this could be long term preparation for a move against Cuba. Posted by: Alamet | Jan 15 2008 22:32 utc | 51 Thanks Alamet heh indeed. Shrub begs the Saudis to pump more oil; Saudi Oil Minister tells him to go Cheney himself. Posted by: ran | Jan 16 2008 5:30 utc | 53 First-hand report from Gaza – A very nice blog with lots of photos by a visiting photographer. Worth a visit. Posted by: Bea | Jan 16 2008 15:18 utc | 54 On the Hormuz Strait incident, by Gareth Porter:
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 16 2008 16:07 utc | 55 The ninth arm of the octopus creeps forward:
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 16 2008 18:27 utc | 56 This alleged Republican party link to Al Qaeda deserves comment from informed observers barflies. It interests me not for the way it’s being merchandised, and still less for any sympathy to the views of the accused, but rather as another exemplar of repression of anyone in the proximity of effective pro-Islamic lobbying in the U.S. We may reasonably assume that the trial will involve secret evidence and the “state secret” privilege, both of which seem to have become normal U.S. Justice Department operating procedures in cases where a level playing field for the accused could lead to an undesired verdict. Indeed, a spirited and persistent defense might be able to adduce some very interesting exculpatory evidence by throwing light on the rise and early funding of Al Qaeda. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 17 2008 8:10 utc | 57 Looks like Chavez along with a Kennedy, hits the U.S. airwaves. I like it. Posted by: anna missed | Jan 17 2008 10:05 utc | 58 Tensions between Israel and Gaza are heating up. Seems as if both sides are doing their best to lurch themselves into open confrontation (ie, an Israeli invasion of Gaza). Posted by: Bea | Jan 17 2008 11:57 utc | 59 This is exactly what I am talking about: Posted by: Bea | Jan 17 2008 11:59 utc | 60 “Targeted assassination” goes awry in Gaza Posted by: Bea | Jan 17 2008 13:12 utc | 61 Just one last observation about the Gaza-Israel events: The timing is just too suspect. One can almost hear the audible sigh of relief from the Israelis as Bush departs the region. “OK now, enough of this peacemaking charade for the sake of appearances — let’s abort it quickly and get back to business as usual.” Posted by: Bea | Jan 17 2008 13:21 utc | 62 Is this a hoax or something? It just doesn’t fit any of the (conflicting) mental images I have of them… Posted by: Alamet | Jan 17 2008 17:58 utc | 63 thinking that the fact it belongs to ‘the american AQ’ explains the branding Posted by: b real | Jan 17 2008 18:30 utc | 64 Long article, but worth the time: Posted by: Alamet | Jan 17 2008 20:43 utc | 65 For Stephen Cambone fans, Posted by: Alamet | Jan 17 2008 20:45 utc | 66 Israel tests a missile in warning to Iran; Iran taunts Israel that it would never dare attack.
Lovely. Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 0:34 utc | 67 Mahmoud Abbas is steamed. Does he realize he’s been had yet?
Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 0:38 utc | 68 Israel tests a missile in warning to Iran; Iran taunts Israel that it would never dare attack.
Lovely. Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 0:41 utc | 69 More escalation in Gaza:
An Israeli missile strike destroyed the Hamas Interior Ministry building in Gaza.
Last but not least of the developments, Israel closed the little remaining border access into Gaza that had been allowed, barring all food and humanitarian aid from entering. Normally these days about 120 aid trucks enter Gaza each day — a mere pittance compared with the need, but probably a lifeline to many. Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 14:43 utc | 70 More escalation in Gaza:
An Israeli missile strike destroyed the Hamas Interior Ministry building in Gaza.
Last but not least of the developments, Israel closed the little remaining border access into Gaza that had been allowed, barring all food and humanitarian aid from entering. Normally these days about 120 aid trucks enter Gaza each day — a mere pittance compared with the need, but probably a lifeline to many. Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 14:44 utc | 71 Following on to my observations from yesterday, here is more evidence of efforts to sabotage peace talks.
This smells like a deliberate attempt to destroy a July agreement on the part of the FATAH (not Hamas) al-Aqsa brigades to hand in their weapons and refrain from violence in the WEST BANK (not Gaza) when Abbas set up his “government” in Ramallah. And indeed:
In other words, a poison arrow aimed directly at Abbas’s heart. Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 15:36 utc | 72 I am sure there is nothing here but the best of intentions…
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 18 2008 17:52 utc | 73 Blair’s new job with JPMorgan is old news by now, but I had missed this bit:
Posted by: Alamet | Jan 18 2008 18:29 utc | 74 @ Alamet #74 Posted by: Bea | Jan 18 2008 18:44 utc | 75 [h/t to crossed crocodiles for catching this]
homo sapiens sapiens — the third diaspora from mother africa & is probably the most deadly, colonizing species to ever exist — is running out of resources & heading for home Posted by: b real | Jan 18 2008 19:13 utc | 76 |
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