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January 6, 2008
Aspects of Change

Change is Obama’s campaign motto. His website asks visitors to "Join the Movement" for Change.

WaPo’s election watcher Chris Cillizza sees change as Obama’s strong point:

That message — that in voting for Obama Americans are opting for a broad change in the way politics is conducted — is VERY powerful and will be exceedingly difficult for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) or anyone else to overcome.

Clinton attacks the change slogan rather lame, claiming that she is someone experienced with implementing change. That is not a smart tactic as it endorses Obama’s primary claim.

But what is change anyway?

In one aspect there is a product, policy or process that can be changed. In another aspect there is the marketing of the product, which can change indepently. The ‘way politics are conducted’ is part of the marketing, not the policy product.

U.S. policy marketing is anchored around the public appearance of the U.S. president.

Within the democratic candidate field, a president Obama would be the biggest change against GWB simply from outer appearance. Hillary, as a woman, would be a big change too, but a linage of Bush – Clinton – Bush – Clinton certainly does not symbolize such. In appearance, Edwards is just another white politician.

In the marketing aspect, Obama is change. But how about his policies?

A typical challenge I have to cope with in my job is to change processes within companies. Usually everyone agrees that some change is needed. But as soon as one delivers concrete proposals, people start resisting – often from pure inertia.

A successful consultant tactic to achieve an intended and necessary change is to deliver a ‘radical’ change-proposal. Starting from there one negotiates a compromise with all concerned individuals. With luck the compromise arrives at the point one originally aimed for. As everyone was involved in negotiating it, people feel satisfied with such a solution.

In politics the challenge is the same. One has to set high goals to achieve a compromise that really can be characterized as the desired change.

Pat Lang reviewed Obama’s foreign policy stand. He concluded:

On the basis of his public statements regarding what foreign policy might be, I would have to say that Barack Obama sounds a lot like the neocons, that is, an agressive, utopian interventionist who might well pursue his ideals overseas.  At the same time, his self-image as a "man of destiny," a Lincolnesque figure, may lead to attempts to transform the United States into something different, something I would not want to experience.


Change
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The U.S. Middle East policy is anchored in the relation to Israel. Obama’s speech to AIPAC satisfied Haaretz’s rightwing US correspondent Rosner:

Today, he sounded as strong as Clinton, as supportive as Bush, as friendly as Giuliani. At least rhetorically, Obama passed any test anyone might have wanted him to pass. So, he is pro-Israel. Period.

Long-term Obama watcher Ali Abunimah from Illinois noted:

There was absolutely nothing in Obama’s speech that deviated from the hardline consensus underpinning US policy in the region.


Change
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On Social Security Obama remarked:

You know, Senator Clinton says that she’s concerned about Social Security but is not willing to say how she would solve the Social Security crisis, then I think voters aren’t going to feel real confident that this is a priority for her.

Paul Krugman responded:

Progressives who fought hard and successfully against the Bush administration’s attempt to panic America into privatizing the New Deal’s crown jewel are outraged, and rightly so.

Social Security isn’t a big problem that demands a solution; it’s a small problem, way down the list of major issues facing America, that has nonetheless become an obsession of Beltway insiders. And on Social Security, as on many other issues, what Washington means by bipartisanship is mainly that everyone should come together to give conservatives what they want.


Change
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Obama calls for universal healthcare. But it is only universal as long as one doesn’t look at the details. Real universal health care must include everyone. There has to be an individual mandate, i.e. everybody has to be insured mandatory, so freeloaders can not pervert the system. Obama’s plan does not require that.


Change
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While Obama is certainly a change in the sense of marketing, his policy proposals aim much too low to really be able to achieve change. In foreign policy, he seems not even to desire any change, just a continuation of neocon illusions.

Seen from abroad, the marketing change Obama epitomizes is irrelevant. Foreigners care about what the U.S. does, not what it says.

To many U.S. voters though, the marketing change seem to be sufficient. Do they trust the imprint on the package without verifying what’s inside. Or do they prefer the content of Obama’s policies?

The "NEW!" Obama detergent, "Now with Change formula," is the same mild dyestuff for reactionary cloth than "compassionate conservatism" has been.

Is this what Obama Change buyers really want, or do they fall for the packaging?

Comments

It’s Obama/Edwards for the WH in 2009.
No fucking change whatsoever.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 6 2008 19:21 utc | 1

what I have said in the past, I will say again. we are so much better off with a democrat as president for the very simple reason that the republicans will stop him from doing anything. he will not be able to launch wars because the republicans will filibuster the funding. he won’t be able to pass any more anti constitutional laws because the republicans will discover the constitution again.
if obama/edwards is what we get this fall, I will breathe a deep sigh of relief. I strongly fear that we will get Rommey and he is a hell of a lot smarter than the chimp….I can only imagine the depths we will sink to under a Romney administration.
I want to believe in Edwards and I want to believe in Obama. This is the best we can hope for. everyone else is much worse.
fact is, we need to fix this stuff from the bottom up. we need to elect congressmen and senators who are not owned by the PTB. The president does have a lot of power through cabinet appointments and the power of the veto but it is still the congress that makes the law. I think there is still a small window of opportunity before the internets are closed off to us and we need to move now before it is too late.
over the holidays I was at a small gathering with some Italian friends. one of the ladies there is a widow of an Italian Air Force Colonel. He died in a motorcycle accident so there is no big deal there, this woman has been taken care of quite well by the government, she was allowed to live in the military housing for more than a year after the death of her husband and does receive a pension because of his service. Still she is pretty vocal about the so called left wing of Italy and rendered me completely speechless when she openly called for a strong dictator to take over in Italy. I was really dumbfounded and said nothing for the rest of the evening. Indeed my funk was so great that I started to believe that just maybe that is what we will have to do. I hear that same sentiment from so many people that I begin to believe we are just pissing in the wind trying to point out what a foolish idea it is. I usually ask people how they would change back from a dictatorship if it doesn’t work out and sometimes get a faint glimmer of understanding though not always.
what to do, our choices are romney or giuliani on the right and clinton or obama on the right. the candidates who appeal to us and most people could they be heard are not in the running….Kucinich was literally disappeared from the Iowa reporting.
sometimes it does seem so hopeless and I fear that is actually the goal of our masters.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 6 2008 20:00 utc | 2

Its hard to get any enthusiasm up for any of these people. The aurgument over change last night was laughable as it devolved into a semantic tautology. Certainly, as far as change goes, the only candidate offering it in spades was Ron Paul. And whats so ironic is that the change he was offering was change back or return to some semblence of constitutional principal. Implying that over the last several decades we’ve had nothing but change, so much change away from principals – that have turned the country into something it no longer recognizes as itself. Out of all the people of both parties on stage he was the only one offering real change, and the only one daring to frame that change in criticism of what we have become, while all the rest were paying oblicatory praise to how great and strong we have become. He was the only one to say that all of our problems both foreign and domestic, from terrorism to the economy are the direct result of our own policies – that they are our own damn fault. And by implication, he was the only one to illustrate that what we have to fear the most is ourselves, and our slide into fascism.
He was the only one last night to even come close to approaching and calling by name the real problems and threats we face as a nation. All the rest by comparison, looked like they were auditioning for a role in a TV sitcom.
And hell, I don’t even like libertarians.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2008 21:51 utc | 3

J6P is plenty happy, forgiving BushCo’s oil supply deliberate destruction, now $3.43,
by chatting up merits of Genessee vers Schlitz, instead of “high-priced” Budweiser,
and hoo-ahh’ing the IDIQNB employment and sub-contracting ops they can drift into.
T5% is happy as hell, things have never looked so good, even at 3.9%, their passive
earnings are plenty enough to buy super-discounted IT and auto, even COSTCO coffins.
But the middle 70%, wow…the highway to hell. Pull out your SEP and invest in gold?
College education worthless? Lucky to find a retail job cashiering or hand bagging?
Everyone’s trapped in their no-sale houses now, for at least the next couple years,
praying that whatever tiny paycheck and benefits they got, doesn’t get up and leave.
For all the non-stop media drone from Iowa and New Hampshire, nobody is watching and
nobody is talking, everyone knows Red Army, Blue Army, same American Halliban. If’n
you don’t know that by now, watch how the Republican debaters pounded Paul, and the
media took away Paul’s anti-expansionism pulpit, now MSM’s consensus is for another
100,000 gang of “300”, to bully US into Pakistan, the hornet nest of the Mohammedans.
At the grocery yesterday found a turkey, $68.75. An’ that ain’t a whistlin’ dixie!

Posted by: Giddy Yup | Jan 6 2008 21:53 utc | 4

me at#3

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2008 22:05 utc | 5

In support of your criticism of Obama as being about “change” instead of championing policies that would promote change are a couple of posts from Corrente:
http://www.correntewire.com/two_simple_litmus_tests_for_obama
http://www.correntewire.com/the_difference_between_liberal_and_progressive
I agree with much of what has been said here at MoA (and at Corrente) about Obama (Clinton too). He’s running against the Left wing of the Democratic Party by moving into the space vacated by what used to be moderate Republicans. Since he’s not even asking to be elected on anything remotely “progressive”, his vocal, nominally left-wing supporters can only hope that he goes into the phone booth like Clark Kent and comes out Superman. (Thanks to Lambert at Corrente for that great analogy.) It seems that almost all of his appeals and concessions are to the putative “moderate Republican”.
Ugh.

Posted by: Bruce F | Jan 7 2008 1:49 utc | 6

Glad you posted this b-. I thought maybe it was just ‘cuz I wasn’t listening too closely that I missed out on the specifics.. (Don’t you wonder what crazy universe the Clintons inhabit that no one even realized or cared, that saying that on Day One her husband would set out on some goodwill junket w/War Criminal Bush……Talk about dooming yr. campaign. If she talked about treason trials, she’d probably get elected.)
So, Obamination has raised many 10’s of millions of buckolas. Tell me, does anyone think he went off to meet the Rich Guys and said “I’m offering Change, please pour money into my coffers”? You don’t suppose he was more specific about the policies he will implement, do you? And if so, do you suppose there’s a reason he’s not being specific about them to the masses? Perhaps because virtually everything he will do will be a continuation of the Predators War on Us.
This breast-beating jellyfish (he gives Trojan Horses a bad name – he voted present 130 times in his short stint in Illinois Legislature – out of how many total votes cast I wonder.) is just a damn demagogue. Bring ’em to a frenzy, but promise ’em nothing. How can people be so Goddamn Stupid & Gullible. Don’t they see what they’re setting themselves up for?
You can see him quoting JFK’s inaugural line in his own inaugural – Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country – and then the War Against Us will begin in earnest the next day. Mah fellow Americans, the draft was unfair ‘cuz it didn’t require sacrifice from everyone. Now that the Predators have stolen all the money & assets from you, you have nothing left but time to be confiscated, so in fairness we will merely confiscate 2 yrs of that from absolutely everyone up to ~age 43. It’s called National Service. And if you want to go to college, but can’t afford it, you can “volunteer” to be mutilated in “our” imperial wars & the state will toss a few coins in yr. college fund. (We just won’t call it class warfare).
And, by the way, since the Repugs bankrupted “our” country, we must return to plenty. The answer to what else you can do for your country (well, it’s not actually yours, but we’ll pretend to grease the wheels of extraction) is we will take 50% of your paycheck & toss it to Wall St – since we’re all in this together…
You no like this…well, you dumb fucks said you wanted change…
You can see why the Predators figure a woman or a black guy can pull this one off better, since it’s white boys who have already stolen & wrecked everything most everywhere…
But we do see in Obamination the way the JackAss Party has adapted to its destruction. He’s a continuation of an approach BClinton began. And they have Eliot Spitzer (see this months Vanity Fair) & Al Franken in the pipeline to carry it on. Select virulent Narcissists. They’re the most effiective manipulators in media based campaigns – after all the only purpose of the “President” now is to manipulate the masses into accepting the dictates of the Predators . And they’re ecstatic to do anything the Predators command, since all they are wedded to is personal aggrandizement. They’re so personally intoxicated by the promise of this power, that the masses are duped into identifying w/this image of enhanced well-being they project over the television & think, err I mean feel, they’ll be better off as well. Circling back, they then don’t have to say anything – Just “Change” – while radiating this intense well-being & the stupified masses run after them devotedly..

Posted by: jj | Jan 7 2008 3:23 utc | 7

Don’t ask Jack to help you
Cause he’ll turn the other ear.

From Chicago
by Graham Nash

Posted by: edwin | Jan 7 2008 4:40 utc | 8

More of the same Terrifying Demagoguery from Clinton Campaign –
“Hillary’s got good plans,” Mr. Clinton kept saying as he worked through a hoarse-voiced litany of why his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, is a “world-class change agent.” He urged his audience to “caucus” on Tuesday for Mrs. Clinton, before correcting himself (“vote”). He took questions, quickly worked a rope line and left. In New Hampshire, Bill Clinton Is Finding Less Spark
What those plans are… we dare not tell you… trust your betters…. what he doesn’t want to mention that she will confiscate 90% of our paychecks (see Michael-Hudson.com – Aug. 15 radio interview)….& that’s just the one thing we know for certain…So Frightening & condescending……

Posted by: jj | Jan 7 2008 5:06 utc | 9

I have a very uneasy feeling about Obama, but not as bad as in 2000.
To me Obama is like an empty screen or a Rohrschach inkplot – you can project whatever you want, whatever you hope for on him. And my guess is, it will be a rude awakening for those people if he becomes president, because even if he should be a much better president, than my feelings indicate, he will not be able to fullfil these undefined projections on him.
Like so many times before, I really hope to be proven wrong – it would be even a great joy to be proven wrong for a change.

Posted by: Fran | Jan 7 2008 9:02 utc | 10

just trying to understand whats with the Obamania. And :
some politicians have this knack for connecting with regular folks, using self-revelation not just as a means for defining their personal boundaries but for also entrenching their personal boundaries. It does’nt just come natural for them. Its a part of them.
and its a rare art, moreso in this age of heavily packaged politicians, most of whom lack the knack anyways. But Obama seems to have some of it. It also comes out in Reagans story-telling & some of the LBJ tapes. Huckabee seems to have some of it too.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 7 2008 12:22 utc | 11

I agree with anna missed that Paul is really the only ‘change’ candidate, and while I might not find some of his ideas palatable, at least those items are not up at the top of the to-do list for him — which he admits. All the rest of the candidates in both parties are just new packaging for varying degrees of the same old tired and dangerous status quo.
And they make fun of Ron Paul’s point on returning to the gold standard. The gold standard was ended around WWI when the govt needed to print a bunch of non-backed funny money to fund a war which America should not have taken part in to begin with.
However, both myself and even my son during his youngest years were around for the silver standard. Our dollar bills said “Silver Certificate” and you could take it to the bank and get four silver quarters or ten silver dimes for it. Real silver. But then the govt, wanting to print even more funny money, changed the words to “Federal Reserve Note” and then debased the coins so they had only a fraction of silver in them — in other words, valueless. And, the Fed then went on an escalating spree of printing worthless paper causing inflation which continues to this day.
I still laugh when people ask questions like: “Is there really enough gold in Ft. Knox to cover our currency?” ROFL! There probably isn’t enough gold in Ft. Knox to even cover the currency of the folks in Philadelphia. If there was enough gold to cover all our currency, then we would still be on the gold standard, wouldn’t we. Obviously, we are not.
I am curious. Do other countries back their currency with more than just a ‘promise?’

Posted by: Ensley | Jan 7 2008 14:23 utc | 12

just trying to understand whats with the Obamania.
Strategic Communication Laboratories or something like it…Whatever it is, it’s all managed, marketed, and driven.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2008 14:45 utc | 13

I am curious. Do other countries back their currency with more than just a ‘promise?’
Not that I know of. All currencies are now faith-based.

Posted by: b | Jan 7 2008 15:27 utc | 14

I am curious. Do other countries back their currency with more than just a ‘promise?’
Unlike the US, most countries back their currencies with non-depleted resources, an increasingly educated population, and the idea that they will not self-destruct any time soon. The US backs its currency with guns and inertia.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 7 2008 17:49 utc | 15

The Swiss backed their currency by Gold up to the year 2000. I think a copper backing would be more practical.

Posted by: Li | Jan 7 2008 17:55 utc | 16

To me, he is speaking of change on multiple levels: change in that he wants to restore dignity, civility, integrity, honesty and accountability to government; change in that he is multi-racial and a “man of the world” rather than a homebred redneck clueless yankee; change in that he wants to make it possible for people to have a voice in their government and participate again rather than feeling shut out and helpless; change in that he wants to lead the entire nation rather than protect the narrow interests of just one party; change in that he wants to govern based on hope, not control out of fear.
All of those are lofty ideals that we can only be starving for after the past 8 years of nightmare. It is also a very very tall order to actually deliver upon it and to stay somehow above the dreadful machinations of all the evil, entrenched forces that control the power and politics in this country today. So whether Obama can ever indeed deliver on what he is promising is another matter. However I will give him credit for being the smartest and most articulate and inspiring politician I have seen on our national stage in a whole long time. And he seems to be a hell of an organizer as well. It would be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until he proves otherwise. If he has neocon foreign policies on paper, I don’t believe that is what he feels in his heart. Only time will tell, of course.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 7 2008 18:29 utc | 17

we are so much better off with a democrat as president for the very simple reason that the republicans will stop him from doing anything. he will not be able to launch wars because the republicans will filibuster the funding. dan of steele wrote.
That has a lot of truth to it, as Dems and Reps are basically in competition for their ‘wars’. The last Dem war was a great success, they keep harping on it (Yugoslavia, and Obama gives the regular Kerry spiel, without mentioning it in name), and Obama talks of ‘dumb’ wars (Afgh, Iraq) while not exactly saying what smart wars would be, or were.
A swell for a ‘black’ democrat would be to the credit of the US. It is a suspense thingie, like Star Academy or other such TV stuff. He won’t win. But he will get a good ride, and plenty of money and status, maybe even a Gvmt post.
PS. dan, the lady is a common example. Operation Gladio really worked. I know ppl here who emigrated to escape the left, decent and all that, they still check for leftists in the garden – elevator – toolshed – and vote Blocher (1), decades on. And visit Mussolini’s grave. At the same time, they are for higher taxes, cheaper or better health care, and belong to a Union, or are members of political parties that one might call center, while voting for Blocher’s People’s Party!
1. Blocher, to make it short, read Le Pen, Haider, now ousted from the Fed. council. Switzerland.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 7 2008 18:43 utc | 18

Given the state of our voting process, I don’t really believe the masses control anything, least of all who will be president. If that sounds cynical, so be it. When we outlaw e-voting, and return to hand counts made by john-Q public, maybe I’ll believe a bit. Until then, I think we get who THEY want.

Posted by: Ben | Jan 7 2008 19:51 utc | 19

“Change” is the fresh new scent. It cracks me up that Hillary tries to convince us that she is the real changer. It’s like saying “My mom thinks I’m cool!”
The change Obama represents is the same one Reagan stood for with his “Morning in America”. Feel-good about ourselves politics. Let’s feel good about ourselves again.
Sadly, this may be the best option, as real change, I agree, must come from below. And it will take years.

Posted by: Pooleside | Jan 7 2008 22:06 utc | 20

Geez, people, here’s your obomba change.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2008 22:57 utc | 21

the next President is going to face a set of massive & extraordinary problems both home & abroad. Its a very very different country today and the next presidency will be the most challenging ever. And the current administration is doing its best to pass the buck onto whoever is next.
in his quiet moments, Obama may have wondered if he is being setup to be the fall-guy. With the inevitable low points that occur in every presidency, how long before the sentiment — “thats what you get for making a Black man President” — starts to creep in ?
its also clear that the press & other opinion-makers are still very prone to double-standards on matters of race perception. Every major decision by Obama as President will be scrutinized more negatively than the norm. And he will have to make the standard extra efforts to PROVE himself (POTENTIALLY VERY DANGEROUS). And there will be the inevitable race-based narratives on his conduct & performance that may hurt more than help overall. So, it might not be too far out were anyone to make the argument that theres just not yet enough of a level playing field for a Black to have a chance at a successful presidency at this particularly challenging time.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 7 2008 23:41 utc | 22

I can understand and empathise with those MoA-ites with an aversion to mainstream TV as a source of entertainment, but I have always believed it is a an error to ignore mainstream TV as an agent for setting the shared or common truths a society holds.
Whaaa?
I’ll try and elucidate. I reckon that dreadful piece of zionist and anti-Arab propaganda “24” has played a major part in the ready acceptance by amerikans of a black prez.
There is another part of “24” which amerikans need to remember. That is when the Secretary od Defence, appointed by a black prez in a dem cabinet believed that the black prez was being soft on empire, he staged a coup against the prez.
I didn’t watch more than a few minutes of some season 1 episodes of “24” but I felt that if the prez had been a whitefella, the coup plot-line wouldn’t have had credibility, and that in a way the show was creating a shared truth amongst amerikans of a certain mindset.
That is if there ever was a black prez whose reality didn’t live up to his promise, staging a coup against him for being un-amerikan would be considered a valid response.
Considering that no prez candidate has ever delivered in my lifetime, and nothing suggests this has changed, one could get very paranoid and imagine an Obama presidency could be the end of amerika’s electoral process.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 8 2008 2:16 utc | 23

A fascinating post at group news blog on the different approaches of Hillary, Obama, & Edwards, scroll down to:
Declaration – Request – Promise::Lead – Lobby – Legislate

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 8 2008 3:27 utc | 24

Awww, ain’t it too cute…L’il Obamination is gonna bring change…why you can tell from his record that he’s somethin’ new –
Those from the “reality based community” may wish to note that his VOTING RECORD IS THE SAME AS HClinton’s. (said today by Thom Hartmann – an invariably reliable source)
Profiles in Courage as well – he refused to vote on the Iran Resolution – like he does on most anything that might offend powerful people…
Can you say Demagogue-is-Me, baby…

Posted by: jj | Jan 8 2008 4:09 utc | 25

Here’s the direct link to the page Anna Missed mentioned in #24.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 8 2008 7:53 utc | 26

I just posted this on OT but maybe it fits better here.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 8 2008 10:06 utc | 27

backed currency: The Swiss, until the year 2000 as pointed out by li. Then truckloads were sold when gold was low many were pissed about it and parliament went into a cat fight about what to do with the cash. A foundation for peace, more money for the third world, topping up the old age pension, giving it to health, paying for another tunnel, etc. One proposition was simply to return a check to each citizen, it was their gold after all. But the citizens didn’t want it – most of them thought it was better to keep the gold. I think in the end it went to the old age pension etc. Anyway, Switzerland is one of (?) the only countries where the national or central bank does not have monopoly on the currency. You are welcome to create your own, backed by nothing. CH has a alternative currency, the WIR, wiki, not sure the article is good, those who use it swear by it, as one might expect. Credit is easy to obtain and I have heard practically or entirely free (and yes they, or it, depending on how one views such matters, did have inflation at some point), if you have a good business plan that fits in with other users. WIRs are considered cool.
Race-gender-and The Three Stooges (stole that name from lenin’s tomb.)
Obama is not culturally or sociologically an African-American, though his mother was a white American and his father from Africa. He is an international, without territorial or cultural roots, without group affiliation, though most of his formative/educ. years were spent in the US, and he is an ‘American’ in knowledge, speech, dress, appearance, and by now ‘affiliated’ etc. His wife and kids do anchor him in the US. He is quite typical of the corporate, globalized world, and of his generational place there (born 1961.)
Obama has class, anyone with money can invite him for dinner and he’ll be perfect. He is not ‘black’ but ‘white’, if that shortcut is comprehensible. Why US ‘blacks’ (if that terminology is acceptable in our pc world, I can’t keep up) would support him is a mystery to me. On that score, Hillary might even be a better bet?

Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 8 2008 16:17 utc | 28

oddly enough, Obama is not black enough for black people. He is certainly black for all whites. I believe he is thought of as an oreo (a type of cookie that has two chocolate wafers with white frosting between them). I am told the koreans have a similar term they use to describe people who have adopted the ways of caucasians….they use banana, for yellow on the outside and white on the inside.
others have expressed the un-ease with Obama in this way. he is making people feel the same way they felt when Bill Clinton was campaigning. Bill broke some hearts and those who remember are a bit reluctant to go all in with Obama.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 8 2008 17:19 utc | 29

@DoS
Koreans say “gyopo” to describe Han people who have grown up and lived in another culture. It’s a condescending term, but it doesn’t translate to anything in particular.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 8 2008 18:02 utc | 30

#30 was me for all you care.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 8 2008 18:03 utc | 31

mono, I had read that term from a story about Koreans in LA.
btw, I DO care.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 8 2008 18:11 utc | 32

Australian Aborigines are rather more blunt in their terminology for those people who may posses a little of their racial characteristics but none of their culture. When I used to visit communities some would call the urban, educated aborigines I worked with “yellafellas”, a term which dates back to the goldmining era of the 1890’s in the NT. The Chinese miners were not allowed to bring wives from China, so some would take an aboriginal partner.
As you can tell “yellafella” was not a complimentary term, the reasons are complex and just as subject to gross generalisation as any such classification. Aboriginal people who are usually eager to claim any relation, were more circumspect with aboriginal chinese relatiives. They felt the yellafellas were too concerned with money, yet that was an understandable concern for someone raised poor in a capitalist society.
By 1980 the same set of prejudices and problems was applied to some of the urban people, who also appeared too concerned with material possessions, so the ‘yellafella’ terminology surfaced again.
We should be careful about repeating these racist slurs ourselves. That ploy has become one of the most powerful tools in the armoury of “post PC” racist societies.
I know I have questioned Obama’s heritage before but now he has become a genuine prospect I have come to believe that stuff is best left alone. Otherwise we end up doing ‘the dividers’ work for them.
Just as unwhite law enforcement officers, under the spell of a white supremacist culture, can commit some of the most egregious crimes against non-whites in a predominantly white society, and people will incorrectly claim “That wasn’t racist – he was a blackfella himself”, using the generalisations about race doesn’t make them less offensive or more true just because they come from a non-white culture.
Although there are some serious issues about Barak Obama’s eagerness to claim a culture which he is clearly not a member of, we should be reluctant to voice those concerns.
If african-amerikan people care to point it out that is their business, but remember if Barack Obama does win the dem nomination there will be a long line of whitefellas eager to point out Obama’s difference from ‘real’ african-amerikans even though as racists they do not really acknowledge that difference themselves.
It is a variation on the divide and rule ploy and is at best a distraction; at worst a way to keep unwhite people divided and powerless.
Obama is not descended from slaves and doesn’t come from a mob who have had their language, culture and family forcibly taken away to be replaced by despair and oppression.
Words cannot describe the rawness of the deal african amerikans have copped. They have never, ever had anything close to a fair shake of the stick, much less any meaningful reparation and after the disgraceful destruction by the media of the persona of any traditional african-amerikan political leader who has even looked like running for prez, it may well be that Obama is considered to be a stalking horse.
That is the dominant white amerikan culture is so riven with the guilt/disgust/fear thing that electing an african amerikan prez will never happen unless there is a what they used to call a ‘token’ prez first. If Obama is elected prez and as expected does more for white corporate amerika than his support base, white amerikans will be less reluctant to elect an african amerikan descendant of slaves next time.
Call the prick on his piss weak refusal to confront empire and the domestic oppression that goes hand in hand with empire, but leave questions about african amerikan heritage to african-amerikans.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 8 2008 20:56 utc | 33

reprint of ILC’s interview w/ cynthia mckinney, primarily on building a reconstruction party/mvmt. if she does gets the green party nomination, lookout. appropriate quote here too

Angela Davis made an interesting comment on the current presidential campaign. She said all the candidates are talking about “differences” that will not make a difference and “changes” that will not bring about any change. How true.

Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2008 3:55 utc | 34

Many thanks for that b real, order your poison, it’s on me 😉
Now off to read it…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2008 4:30 utc | 35

Good post, b real. I realized that reason Obamination drives me through the ceiling is that he’s merely engaged in such a cruel mockery…Specific instance later…He’s a PERFECT PREDATORS SOCK PUPPET – completely docile to them & master manipulator of da masses…
So, HClinton “won” New Hampshire, did she. Funny. All the polls said aforementioned Sock Puppet would take itby huge margin. In case you haven’t been following vote counting manipulations – a) John Snunnu (sp?) was DaddyBush’s Chief of Staff (til using Co. Limo to travel to Timbuktu for Stamp Convention got him canned) ‘cuz it turns out, he had computer background & rigged results so DaddyBush “won” New Hampshire. b) It’s still not clear that Dean “lost” New Hampshire…
Will elites allow someone to “lose” who has promised to requisition 90% of the salaries of the masses…maybe, if it can’t be helped since Obamination is so docile, but they’ll try to avoid it…

Posted by: jj | Jan 9 2008 4:57 utc | 36

@36
I thought the same as well. This smelled like the Kenya elections – fishy … very fishy. No tears over Obama’s smack down but I was enjoy’n the sense of fear that ran through the old guard of the Democratic Party and could barely stand the post NH “analysis” on Clinton’s ‘tears’ and Obama’s ‘excitment.’

Posted by: BenIAM | Jan 9 2008 5:08 utc | 37

** FASTEN SEAT BELTS IN PREPARATION FOR TAKE-OFF – ROUGH WEATHER AHEAD**
Stop 1 , Stop 2 & Stop 3
Since we’ve had 2 Coup d’etats, Mexico had totally fraudelent elections, as did France, & most recently Kenya. Is there any reason we should think that things would be any different in the future…or merely Hope, baby…hope…

Posted by: jj | Jan 9 2008 6:24 utc | 38

I see that my post on the open thread was essentially anticipated by those given here by jj. The burden of proof, of course, is on us, the critics of the “authorized version”. In the absence of an unlikely disclosure of fraud by some perpetrator, the “authorized version” will almost surely hold up, and we will assume our habitual role as the butt of “tin foil hat” jokes. It could, of course, be the case that the official count is correct, and the polls and anecdotal evidence were in error. Nevertheless, while I have never expected to see U.S. elections produce staggering Marxist majorities, I do find it highly depressing that after nearly 5 years of war in Iraq with its hundreds of thousands of dead, maimed, and psychologically wounded, after 7 years of persistent attack on American civil liberties, after dozens of politico-economic scandals, endemic corruption and government sanctioned depravity, after decades of repression of the once proud, powerful and occasionally even progressive American labor movement, after all this the candidates being anointed by the primary system are those who, while talking about “change”,are in fact the most dependable paladins of the imperial status quo.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 9 2008 7:14 utc | 39

the “something fishy about the NH results” theme has come up twice today already, and then some more on this thread.
and I really wish I could say I am shocked — shocked just by the mere thought of it.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 9 2008 7:34 utc | 40

Post it ad dailykos, please. It’s an important piece. There are people out there, who hope for real change and Obama should know that what he has said so far is not enough to continue hoping that HIS change is in some way better or different from Hillary’s and Bill’s “changing status-quo”. It would be also good to know, if his hesitance to express more substantive and courageous foreign policy viewpoints is deliberate and calculated and if there might be something else beneath the surface. Sigh.

Posted by: mimi | Jan 9 2008 22:33 utc | 41