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December 5, 2007
OT 07-82
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The Iran-Contra Cargo Plane, Now a Restaurant and Bar!
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 5 2007 12:24 utc | 2 The retrun of refugees to Iraq is touted as a success. Now how does that fit with this:
The reason why Israel may once fall apart in secular-religious strive: MKs debate protection of ‘equality’ in future constitution
“64% of all internet users go online for faith-related matters” Posted by: CluelessJoe | Dec 5 2007 13:52 utc | 5 @CluelessJoe – the Scientologists are a pest and need to be handled appropriately. They have cornered parts of the housing market here and its quite difficult to get rid of them.
@6-b, Posted by: biklett | Dec 5 2007 15:17 utc | 7 Interesting mismatch of arguments in the article CluelessJoe cites: Posted by: citizen | Dec 5 2007 18:30 utc | 8 b, 4 Posted by: annie | Dec 5 2007 18:32 utc | 9 One Theory on the depresssion:
Posted by: anna missed | Dec 5 2007 20:11 utc | 11 I guess that came from a time when the Fed Chairman could speak English. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 5 2007 20:16 utc | 12 They have cornered parts of the housing market here and its quite difficult to get rid of them. Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 5 2007 21:48 utc | 13 World renowned ‘guerrilla graffitti artist’ leaves his mark on the Holy Land bansky hits bethlehem! bbc video @ link Posted by: annie | Dec 5 2007 21:55 utc | 14 I saw something on Danish television this evening that people in the US don’t see as often as we do here — a Hercules transport discharging caskets draped with the national flag, here the Danebrog. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Dec 5 2007 21:55 utc | 15 Asia Times: Posted by: Alamet | Dec 6 2007 1:34 utc | 16 Good Daily Kos diary:
The diarist’s reference to Naomi Klein reminds me, does anyone else here have the suspicion that blueprints are already at hand to administer liberal doses of shock therapy globally once the pain of the credit crisis spreads at the street level? Posted by: Alamet | Dec 6 2007 1:44 utc | 17 Anna missed, thanks for the Great Post on ’29 Depression. I suspected something along those lines as I’ve watched in recent yrs. the massive over-accumulation of capital in the hands of a very few, desperate for something to do w/it. Posted by: jj | Dec 6 2007 3:27 utc | 18 two reports out today on the niger delta
int’l crisis group: Nigeria: Ending Unrest in the Niger Delta
Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 4:21 utc | 19 while AFRICOM’s commander ward is wrapping up a visit to angola,
and, from another article, this was news to me
accenture is, of course, the washed arthur anderson, but i had no idea microsoft was embracing & extending fossil fuel extraction operations. Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 4:45 utc | 20 You know the jig is up when Am. Elites building massive seed vault – in the arctic…preparing for massive nuclear war w/China etc. or, even less benign, Biowarfare or destruction, advertant or otherwise, of evolution’s seed stock through genetic mutilation. Posted by: jj | Dec 6 2007 5:15 utc | 21 in a stmt released by sec rice after her talk w/ ethiopia’s dictator meles today, via nazret, she writes
heh. supposedly meles has 8-40k soldiers in somalia currently (sen. inhofe recently said 100,000 though i’ve seen nothing to verify that large of a number) after 11 months of occupation, a large number in the north near the border w/ eritrea (one thinktank recently cited 100,000 troops there too), and many engaged in counterinsurgency operations in the eastern region of ogaden, though many sources claim that the ethiopian govt forces locals to arms against the rebel ONLF or face execution.
but it’s not just the u.s.a.
Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 5:26 utc | 22 just a few more quick items
meanwhile, the new TFG prime minister, nur the white, is already in the hot seat
the former pm, gedi, is long-time friends w/ ethiopia’s pm meles zenawi & was widely viewed as a puppet of the ethiopians.
(two other decent factboxes from reuter’s today, as well — Somalia, a country torn apart, Key facts on Somali President Yusuf)
which is strange — and 31 is the number i’ve seen mentioned all week — b/c when nur announced his cabinet (which was barely reshuffled from its previous incarnation) he was widely quoted as saying it was an “all-inclusive” cabinet, incorporating as many clan representatives as possible (obviously not, which explains the criticism and resignations).
73? Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 6:31 utc | 23 They have cornered parts of the housing market here and its quite difficult to get rid of them. thanks b, i was curious Posted by: annie | Dec 6 2007 13:42 utc | 26 one for uncle $cam’s notebook
Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 16:23 utc | 27 GOP Lawmakers in “Closed” Meeting With Blackwater’s Erik Prince
maybe that story on “pirates” who hijacked the chemical tanker in somalia has nothing to do w/ concerns about illegal dumping after all, a dot i was speculating based on a couple reported comments by locals supposedly in the know stating that it was.
and, now that condi rice’s talks in ethiopia are over, somalia’s TFG president is showing signs of an incredible recovery.
what was that all about? Posted by: b real | Dec 6 2007 19:59 utc | 29 berkeleyan: Taking a bullet for research
Posted by: b real | Dec 7 2007 3:28 utc | 30 My bet – there ARE copies of these torture tapes somewhere … maybe in Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s private porn library?
In case anyone wants to keep up with list of terrorist-torture targets, the Defense Intelligence Agency makes available flash-cards with photos of major league torture candidates together with a brief rap sheet. Unfortunately, the evidence and sourcing for the rap sheets are (of course) lacking. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 7 2007 8:59 utc | 32 **BARFLY ALERT*** COULD WE PLEASE AVOID USING HOT LINKS TO GOVT. SITES!!! Posted by: jj | Dec 7 2007 9:02 utc | 33 ***Uncle Scam Alert *** Posted by: jj | Dec 7 2007 10:57 utc | 34 Oh my, poor little Mahmoud Abbas, double crossed by the Egyptians and the Saudis — and so soon after Annapolis. Couldn’t his Aunt Condi have arranged a happier ending for him? tsk tsk.
Posted by: Bea | Dec 7 2007 11:20 utc | 35 Thanks guys, been trying to keep up but, been having ISP and speed issues due to the ever increasing buyouts and merger phenomenon. My hometown local ISP is no more. Interesting to find out my new ISP is now based in Fairfax County, Langley Virginia 😉 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 7 2007 17:27 utc | 36 when i hear, “leading democrats call for inquiry….” – i reach for the vaccum cleaner Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 7 2007 18:47 utc | 37 & who the fuck are the united states to question either the state or the jurisprudence of venezuela Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 7 2007 21:16 utc | 38 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 7 2007 21:28 utc | 39 & witness the re-formation of the fascist shock troops from the forties & fifties in bolivia against the power of the people Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 7 2007 21:30 utc | 40 i have been trying to post tonight without success – but there is a good text at counterpunch on the cia intervention in australia in the seventies Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 8 2007 3:25 utc | 41 Rgiap, Posted by: Rick | Dec 8 2007 3:51 utc | 42 not sure if this applies outside of firefox on a windows box, but i found that if you continue to get the spam filter denial from typepad, by completely closing your browser and then reopening it to obtain a new session you can then post. if i didn’t close the session, no matter what i tried to post elicited the same spam msg. (oh, and always make sure to save or copy your post content somewhere first!) Posted by: b real | Dec 8 2007 4:09 utc | 43 re somalia “pirates”
the dropoff from pre-UIC to the UIC period goes immediately from 20 reported attacks for the two months prior to UIC control to 5 for the first two months, then 2, then 1, and then 2, for a total of 10 reported attacks during the entire eight month period of UIC control. since january of this year there have been 33 reported attacks up through dec 5th.
and, even worse, in this post-UIC climate is the impact on women.
Posted by: b real | Dec 8 2007 5:43 utc | 44 thanks rick Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 8 2007 11:40 utc | 45 China Hand has a very well written and far looking overview of the situation ins the Middle East: GWOT R.I.P.? After ‘Hugo the Dictator’ lost the ballot for constitutional changes, the ‘western’ press needs new ‘dictators’ to get exited about about. So today’s NYT editorial is about Authoritarians in the Andes
In both countries there is the danger of U.S. supported color revolutions. A sane report on the situation in Bolivia are here and here.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 8 2007 16:15 utc | 48 Regarding the seed vault, Engdahls piece is not quite accurate. While it is true that the Gates foundation is the largest donor (though I think it excludes the construction, which the government of Norway did), Monsanto is not involved. Sygenta is a minor donor, with just over a million out of a total of 140 million USD donated. The Rockefellers participation is even more minor. Except the Microsoft foundation, the big donors are governments of European of Anglosaxon countries.
Continued in next post to avoid Typepads little censors Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 9 2007 4:07 utc | 50 It is also a follow-up to the Nordic Gene Bank
Sure it is scary that the world needs plans for making it easier for survivors of a doomsday situation, but that does not make it a plan for the doomsday. The Nordic Gene Bank did not cause a nuclear war in order to be used (that was the major fear in 1984). And the Svalbard Global Seed Vault will not cause disasters either. It is however an ark, should things really hit the fan.
Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 9 2007 4:08 utc | 51 Has this been mentioned here?
From my blogonomics degree I have learnt that the currency money is stored in matters much more then the currency stuff is traded in, but interesting all the same. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 9 2007 4:12 utc | 52 Regarding Sudan and Ethiopia, I remember a few years ago Ethiopia and Eritrea running a proxy war there too. Not Darfur though, but in southern Sudan. So somehow I would not be surprised if it turned out Ethiopia already has troops in Sudan but apparently not enough and not in the right rregion. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 9 2007 4:25 utc | 53 askod @53 – Ethiopia and Eritrea running a proxy war there too
Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2007 5:56 utc | 54 not one to believe that the unwritten imagery expressed by photos in the media are unintentional, i find the one accompanying this story amusing for both its exaggerated effect & its imperialistic idiocy. Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2007 6:29 utc | 55 reuters: Somali Islamists seize town from government troops
ap: Ethiopian troops withdraw from key Somali neighborhood
islam online: Islamists Regaining Somalia
the indian ocean newsletter: Ethiopia’s military preparations and MP defects
Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2007 7:30 utc | 56 (posted for annie, who has problems getting through)
thanks b, i think its working now..btw, that comment(from day before yesterday!) was referencing the nie ruse thread. Posted by: annie | Dec 9 2007 16:35 utc | 58 Third time is a charm?
Those unfamiliar with NewsCorp’s english titles other than The Times, should know that News of the World and the Sun are the two most reviled rags in the foul swill which passes for an English media. They specialize in black-mailer style traps of their ‘marks’ where anyone who has had 15 minutes or more exposure especially by way of a rival publication’s exclusive, is likely to be set up with a live boy, dead girl, gerbil and a container load of whatever drug the rag’s ‘contractors’ can get their hands upon. The result is then video-taped at some ‘country hotel’ away from London to ensure that the victim has no redress, Yet another human has their world destroyed in the interests of selling the nasty, racist and capitalist lies the papers put between their revelations about minor pop singers, fading athletes , and of course, “The Royals”. Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 9 2007 22:01 utc | 59 This is fucking ridiculous, I’m afraid that I don’t have time to be sitting around all day trying to input a post. Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 9 2007 22:07 utc | 60 Debs, Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 10 2007 0:29 utc | 61 Mozambican President Armando Guebuza said at the end of the Lisbon summit Africa was big enough to take care of itself. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 10 2007 2:21 utc | 62 you on 13 @ nie thread bea? well, that was an f’ing excellent comment. since it’s a slow evening i’ll say it again Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2007 5:40 utc | 64 While the war abroad might not be going so well, as annie and bea make clear above, the war at home is going swimmingly…for them.
Further, I’m beginning to believe the primary goal of the war abroad or outside, was so to gain complete control inside. Transform America and by proxy the world becomes less stable. And by being less stable, creates opportunity and further consolidation of control. Win -win, if your a sociopath. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 6:09 utc | 67 WOW – L.A. Times broke The Taboo. Anyone else been wondering if the “r” word – recession – was actually a stand in for the Dreaded “d” word – obviously, depression; or maybe they were both being lumped in together, as no one wanted to forecast the worst? Well, wonder no more. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2007 6:14 utc | 68 “All Americans and the world at large owe a huge debt of gratitude to the Iraqi resistance for making the cost of illegal military operation unbearable.” The price they have paid to achieve this has been beyond our ability to imagine. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 6:27 utc | 69 It may be self-promoting, and too much like a LeCarré novel, but I found Craig Murray’s most recent blog entry fascinating. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 10 2007 7:37 utc | 70 Excellent post Hannah K. O’Luthon, thanks for the heads up/ Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 8:27 utc | 71 @60 – I have released some comments that were cought in the typepad spam filter (though I seem not to be able to release all comments cought in it – sorry). On the “broad coalition” mortgage “relief” plan Krugman has now seen some light.
With Bush it’s war on the poor 24/7.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 9:27 utc | 74 Continuing b’s theme in his 73 and my 74, I’m also reminded of Monolycus’s recent excellent post. And how soon we may all look more like this:
~Hunger Strike By Pearl jam’s Eddie Vedder and Sound Garden’s Chris Cornell in a project called, Temple of the Dog. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 10:08 utc | 75 Sanctions? What sanctions …
Justin Raimondo limns the case of the “Iranian” laptop. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 10 2007 12:14 utc | 77 I have no competence with regard to the merits of the Mugabe-is-the-devil Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 10 2007 15:15 utc | 78 Libby to drop appeal in CIA leak case
Bullshit! He is no longer appealing his conviction, because he had a nice lobster tails & filet mignon with Lemon Chive Butter, chicken breast in a red wine sauce with mushrooms, caramelized red onions, imported gorgonzola cheese, served with roasted potatoes and stuffed crab w/garlic prawns. And a $700 bottle of wine. Over which he and Jr. who had a hamburger and imported beer sat during dinner and later exchanged gifts. Libby’s gift to Jr. was a virgin 10 year old Guatemala boy. And Jr’s gift to Libby was a full pardon. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 19:14 utc | 79 @Uncle – sounds like a nice meal – and don’t forget that there were a few millions left in his legal defense fund. Libby would hate to spend that for other lawyers than himself. Youtube: Meet King Joe (1949) Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2007 20:33 utc | 81 Hi, looks like Ted Turner knows controlling inland acres is good, not surprising since he’s one of the magnates you’ll find using the phrase “useless eaters” a couple of decades ago. On seed bank in Svalbard, I mentioned/linked OT 07-75 #59 earlier, including its height 400′ over current sea level, am glad of reminder. A wink to the wise is insufficient. Posted by: plushtown | Dec 10 2007 20:51 utc | 82 A humorous and on-target commentary by Uri Avneri on the effect on the Israeli leadership of the NIE Israel and the NIE’s Inconvenient Truth Posted by: Bea | Dec 11 2007 1:33 utc | 83 israel, no muclear threat to neighbors
Posted by: annie | Dec 11 2007 2:24 utc | 84 Some sanity from the Supreme Court: Justices Restore Judges’ Control Over Sentencing
hmm. the WB wayback machine… The flow of intelligence is getting good. We are draining the swamp at the high end and the low end. Posted by: annie | Dec 11 2007 7:08 utc | 86 err, the italics.. my bad. other than the intro (hmm. the WB wayback machine….), that’s billmon from the 2nd link. as you can see i posted 86 on the wrong thread…maybe not… blame the whiskey.. Posted by: annie | Dec 11 2007 7:14 utc | 87 shall i go for the trifecta? that’s billmon from the 2nd link. specifically here , scroll. Posted by: annie | Dec 11 2007 7:23 utc | 88 Now that Debka file is telling us that the NIE announcement heralds the start of
As with any bit of first rate disinformation, much of the material from this link is quite likely true, and, of course, it’s all confected to be highly plausible. Trying to decide what part is more artefice than substance is an enjoyable game. The Debka note would seem to “validate” the following very interesting comment by Clifford Kiracofe at Pat Lang’s website (please excuse the extensive quote, which embodies
In this vein, I find it striking that in an earlier posting Lang himself, usually a frank but moderate rhetorician, comes within a hair of characterizing the neocon penetration of the U.S. policy making structures as treason. If this really is the way the wind is blowing in Washington these days, we may be witnessing the beginnings of the most radical reconfiguration of the boundaries of political orthodoxy in the U.S. since the late 1940’s when the pro-communist leftists saw their status changed from that of avant-garde in the battle against fascism and nazism to that of a fifth column for Stalin and Mao. It was not pretty then, and it certainly would not be any more edifying this time. However I doubt that there are sufficient “loyalist” forces in play to recapture the ramparts of the citadel and purge the treasonous interlopers. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 11 2007 8:38 utc | 89 More radical extremism from Hugo Chavez and other “terrorists” (or should that be Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 11 2007 9:38 utc | 91 [backstep from preview results in posting glitch … but enough about me…]
Posted by: rjj | Dec 11 2007 11:36 utc | 92 Having trouble with the “spam filter” (maybe it’s more intelligent than Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 11 2007 16:28 utc | 93 (continuation) We seem (in my un-informed view) to be once again in the presence of a little fish being tossed into the mediatic maw while those really responsible remain in the shadows. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 11 2007 16:30 utc | 94 Bomb Blast in Algerian Capital Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 11 2007 17:38 utc | 95 uncle, a large number — one of the largest, actually — of the recruits that various govts shuffled off to afghanistan back in the 80’s to train & fight the soviets hailed from algeria. afterwards, when they found their ways back home, they have used some of their training to fight against the govt in algeria which went so far as nullifying an election in 1991 after islamists apparently won. Posted by: b real | Dec 11 2007 20:01 utc | 96 @b real – 96 – AQ “branding” – there is something to this which I haven’t gasped yet. AQ certainly is a brand now, but how exactly was it introduced and formed. Such creating of a brand is not accidential but a deliberate process and there are various models how such a process should be run. There must be some economic textbook on branding OLB has read and used. Which one? @b – i haven’t come across any discussion of this branding topic, however UBL was a businessman — first for his father’s firm & then for his own ventures — before he was a bogeyman. Posted by: b real | Dec 11 2007 21:50 utc | 98 b real is absolutely correct on this. they are an extremely marginal movement in algeria & all evidence suggests that no real connection with aq exists. as b real says – its really a miniscule sect taking advantage of the brand name to make the threat they pose seem much more vast than it actually is Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 11 2007 22:08 utc | 99 Funny, the UN has not said so far that they believe it to be AQ. Also, I’m of the mind that the vast majority of AQ incidents are from an arm of our CIA. In most cases anyway. Not that their aren’t militant groups out there who would use the brand. But I haven’t seen any indication that this is a group calling itself AQ. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 11 2007 22:55 utc | 100 |
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