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November 23, 2007
OT 07-80
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The White House wants you to know, through spokesperson Michael Gordon in the NYT, that there will be no timelines in Iraq and army brigades will start to train Iraqi troops. Move the goalposts and leave the whole mess to Hillary. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 23 2007 7:56 utc | 2 The Emperial Times editorial is agreeing to send U.S. troops into Pakistan, but only if there first is more “democracy” like a deal between Bhutto and Sharif. Both are of course crooks. (Sharif is no back in Pakistan from Saudi Arabia as Musharraf plans to play Bhutto against Sharif)
“Not more deal-making” they say. And the next paragraph:
Okay – so no deal-making with Mush but deal-making under DC “encouragement” anyway. That’s “democracy” in Pakistan and “America’s strategic interests.”
And they talk about “to drive Al Qaeda and the Taliban from its Pakistani sanctuaries”. That Talibs, as we know, are the Pashtun people living there. To “drive them out” means ethnical cleansing. The recent meme of “Iraq is now more peaceful” is quickly revealed as illusory. The stream of people coming back to Baghdad (1,000 per day which means it will take 7 or so years ’til all refugees are back) is due to Syria and Jordan closing their borders and evicting people without visa.
10 U.S.-Backed Fighters Killed in Iraq
Let’s see: people dressed up in police uniform with “commandeered vehicles”. Looks like police, walks like police, smells like police – must be “Al-Qaida”.
Just yesterday I read somewhere that attacks on the Green Zone have stopped … Some new speculations about why Israel bombed Syria in September. These articles are interesting for details they offer about the site that was bombed and why it is completely implausible that this was a NoKo-inspired nuclear facility. Their conclusions, however, diverge rather widely:
Two days after that piece, Haaretz comes out with this one:
Posted by: Bea | Nov 23 2007 14:42 utc | 6 High drama in Lebanon. At midnight tonight the mandate of the current president, Emile Lahoud, expires. No compromise has been achieved and elections will not take place before then. So, what will happen? Here is a selection of readings for those who are interested:
Today: The Clock Ticks Relentlessly to Midnight: Deadline Looms in Lebanon Vote as Factions Deadlocked [Interesting headline that has the word “dead” in it twice…]
Breaking: Lebanon Fails to Elect President; Vote Again Delayed to Nov. 30
Posted by: Bea | Nov 23 2007 15:02 utc | 7 @Bea – the Haaretz article on the “box at the Euphrat” is lunatic. I could quote about 25 technical reasons why the theory is completely nuts. But then I don’t have to because one of commentators there explains the really latest intelligence:
b, I knew you would say that, but I am still interested in your 25 technical reasons… Posted by: Bea | Nov 23 2007 16:16 utc | 9 the way things are going, the militay may take over Lebanons government. This crisis is unlikely to lead to another civil war. Thats not in any ones interest. But Siniora’s govt’s positions suggest he will eventually have to make significant compromises or rely on force. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Nov 23 2007 16:21 utc | 10 Insightful and very accurate comment about the symbiosis between Palestine and Lebanon from Josh Landis @Syria Commment:
He links to and highly recommends this article by Anthony Shadid about Lebanon’s failure to elect a president. Posted by: Bea | Nov 23 2007 16:22 utc | 11 This documentary ‘Route Irish‘ was shot in Ireland between 2002 and 2006 and takes the form of a sustained meditation on resistance to the Iraq War and the collapse of that resistance in Ireland and elsewhere. Posted by: drunk as a rule | Nov 23 2007 16:44 utc | 12 Open Left has a post up on this article from the NYT Business section. It is about the “perks” young lawyers get in big law firms and heavily biased against wage owners. One line tells it all:
“Subsidy” according to Wikipedia is
Paying a wage, in what form ever, is certainly not one a subsidy. What does the writer want – a feudal system? slavery? Excellent sleuthing by Cernig on the shia Iraqi tribes’ petition against Iranian interference in Iraq story: Posted by: Alamet | Nov 23 2007 18:47 utc | 15 The Guardian did some detective work, too:
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 23 2007 18:49 utc | 16 UN refugee agency cautious about returns to Iraq
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 23 2007 18:53 utc | 17 A recommandable, long reading reviewing several books, from the NYRB: How to Understand Islam
Like Bea, I also would like to see the 25 technical reasons — but that might be better as a separate post. Posted by: Owl | Nov 23 2007 21:47 utc | 20 b Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 23 2007 22:24 utc | 21 Keep an eye on Australia this weekend. Posted by: Marek Bage | Nov 24 2007 5:38 utc | 23 @Marek – 23 congratulations – Labor has won down under. Is the Aussie so-called “labor” party as much like an actual Labor Party as the pathetic British incarnation, or did Australia escape the grip of its Godfather, Lord of the English Universe, Rupie Murdoch who has selected every leader of Britain & xUS since Blair & BabyBush? Posted by: jj | Nov 24 2007 12:16 utc | 28 The other day I was listening to a round table with good experts on Georgia, at present it has a one party state, United National Movement Party, there is no opposition with voice except the street, after all the Rose Revolution Hoopla, which I believe was somewhat genuine, heartfelt. It is said that the US formented and supported the Rose Revolution but that that is quite iffy (see Soros, etc.) Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 24 2007 14:51 utc | 29 It’s obscene! Posted by: Ensley | Nov 24 2007 15:22 utc | 30 Ensley, that report is probably understated. See this Energy Bulletin article by Sohbet Karbuz last year:
Lots more in the article, all referenced. Moreover, if you will check Karbuz’s blog, he believes a good deal of the oil purchases in US bases overseas is listed under host country consumption in world statistics, and so the real total is likely much higher. Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2007 15:53 utc | 31 Robert Dreyfuss – The withering away of several enemies in Iraq Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2007 16:12 utc | 33 Military.com – Iraq War Contract Scandal Widens Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2007 16:15 utc | 34 US Military fuel consumption – in today’s news: US Navy steps up fuel deliveries to Gulf forces
That points to about March 2008 for some “operation”. An unhappy op-ed from Lagos, Nigeria Nigeria: No to U.S. Army Base
the karbuz blog is excellent, i have linked to it twice here. Posted by: Tagerine | Nov 24 2007 16:26 utc | 37 Offhand, I can’t think of a single “purchaser” who is buying more for consumption, so I don’t believe that is an exageration. Can anyone think of any? Pakistan military, Greyhound Bus Lines, etc? Posted by: Ensley | Nov 24 2007 17:20 utc | 38 alamet 34, she was found dead of a gunshot wound in Baghdad.
Westhusing suicided w/ a gunshot to the head also.
Booming trade in U.S. weapons on Iraqi black market
from alamet’s link..
this isn’t just about making lots of money illegally it’s about instigating a civil war directed out of the pentagon. Posted by: annie | Nov 24 2007 17:54 utc | 39 Vanity Fair sued over neo-Nazi interview
Posted by: annie | Nov 24 2007 18:41 utc | 40 via Main and Central a McClatchy piece on Americans and waterboarding. At the end it points to an evangelical Christian site post: Our Tortured Silence: I smile a bit at this: Tough Iran sanctions to hit Germany hard: report
Merkel sofar has totally avoided to make a real argument for sanctions on Iran. tap. tap. Posted by: wa sabi | Nov 24 2007 19:42 utc | 43 @wa sabi – so what?
Iran has enriched fuel. Sintering and grinding that into pellets are relative simple industrial processes.
Then the only “evidence” cited is the say-so of the U.S. military. this isn’t just about making lots of money illegally it’s about instigating a civil war directed out of the pentagon.
I highly recommend the discussion comments from Alamet’s link. If for nothing more that an understanding of where some of those cats are at. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 24 2007 20:46 utc | 45 Some facts about the Iraq returnees which I have managed to glean from listening to the silences between the lies. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 24 2007 21:07 utc | 46 the sad truth of australia is that it is a subsidiary of the u s state department & is wholly owned by rupert murdoch & newscorp Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 24 2007 21:40 utc | 47 I woke this morning after staying up far too late watching the horse race across the Tasman, still unsure on if congratulations or comisserations were in order for the people of australia. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 24 2007 22:12 utc | 48 Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers in propaganda war on
No wonder gatekeeper kos is so well entrenched in mediocrity. Oh, and it has just come to my attention why the Sibel Edmonds/Val Plame Wilson case will never go anywhere, Waxman is AIPAC member. Blackmail’s a bitch … Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 0:41 utc | 49 @Did – I’ve been reading about desperate drought in Australia. Isn’t that affecting things, or is the natural universe beneath the threshold of awareness for cossetted urbanites? If one wants something to be truly frightened of, apart from elite manufactured drivel… Are desalination plants being rushed online, or what? And on the subject of transformative threats, Aus. seems as if it could be ground zero in US-China tensions over spheres of influence. Any anxiety palpable re rising Chinese power? Posted by: jj | Nov 25 2007 0:43 utc | 50 Speaking of Real Threats, as opposed to Elite Manufactured boogy boys, here on the homefront we might as well have one of our last Merry Christmases while we can – Posted by: jj | Nov 25 2007 0:53 utc | 51 Thanksgiving follies …plus ca change…- Mitt Romney meet former Gov. Michael Dukakis, who’ll bring the popcorn, while you watch Willie Horton, the Sequel. Posted by: jj | Nov 25 2007 1:14 utc | 52 Hello (hello hello), is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 3:14 utc | 53 annie, situation normal all fucked up, beyond recall (SNAFUBAR) is a combination of two military acronyms, SNAFU and FUBAR, and it’s the standard operating procedure at Defense, and why Bush needs DOUBLE what he asked for in 2006, now $193B to support 130,000 troops! Do the math, it’s simply mindboggling! But if you’ve worked in Defense, it’s all SNAFUBAR, that’s how it works. At the base I worked at, our Colonel abruptly announced his retirement, put on a Boeing jacket, converted his on-base office into a Boeing program manager office(!) then proceeded to lose $100M US tax payer’s savings by claiming he could consolidate high-tech R&D contracts that blew up on him. The situation was so egregious, the military changed the name of the program itself, to terminate the backstory. At another base I worked at, true story, they were testing an experimental nuclear reactor built by a foreign company on US soil, over a seismic fault, within the municipal border of a major US city! The lapse of judgement was so egregious ($1B’s disappeared so fast) the program was renamed, the contractor renamed and the civilian employment files disappeared. And I haven’t even told you about the Star Wars labs of Reagan era, the space laser, brilliant pebbles, hypersonic defense plane, the $B’s, no, $10B’s in white lab-coat welfare. So a little gun running out of a some arms warehouse, tschh, it’s patty cake! If Americans really knew what happened to their $750B a year in grift, there would be riots in the street. The Neo National Security Fence? Chertoff says Boeing is “a little behind”, and they’re going to “hold them to their contract” after already paying Boeing $B’s, but if you go to Boeing’s employment website, they’re STILL HIRING MANAGERS TO START PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT! So what was the $B’s for??!! DoD already has sophisticated real-time remote surveillance capability world-wide, so what was Boeing doing all this time for those $B’s they haven’t started development yet?? Whacking off in the welfare lab! Posted by: Anton Chekov | Nov 25 2007 3:43 utc | 54 The drought in Australia is bad the last drought this bad was in the early 80’s and it that had a lot to do with Labor winning power then. That drought broke not long after Hawke was elected PM. If that happens again the libs are in for a hard road. They no longer have power in any state or federal parliament that has never happened before. The last ALP govt always had one or two holdouts like the N.T. or the A.C.T. , WA or Qld. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 25 2007 3:59 utc | 55 @Anton Chekov Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 4:02 utc | 56 Speaking of Israel… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 4:18 utc | 57 The thght. of the dollar losing 90% of its value in the foreseeable future is keeping me up late…found this piece to share. Chris Hedges expresses his concerns about possible attack on Iran. Posted by: jj | Nov 25 2007 12:04 utc | 58 There are ways to resist without being jailed. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 12:35 utc | 59 Uncle, I had the same thought. I keep recalling the CIA compiled lists provided to the Greek Colonels telling them who to round up as soon as they overthrew Greek democracy in ~’67. Bets on Hedges being on that list. It’s said to be ~3/4 M. people, so I doubt it’s all Saudi Fundies. Posted by: jj | Nov 25 2007 12:53 utc | 60 Ensley at 38, I see what you mean, but it all depends what one means by “single purchaser”. Not a country then. So you would want to compare with Greyhound, an airline conglomerate or, better, counting ‘total energy’ – Wallmart (coal to electricity, heat with fuel, refrigeration, shipping, trucking, not to mention wrapping, etc.) or the Indian rail system. The end use, killing ppl or selling pickles or shunting them from A to B, raises its head. In any case, the DOD accounting is incomplete for certain. Karbuz points that out in various posts. See also Anton’s post at 54. It isn’t really arguable without a lot of boring definitions. Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 25 2007 14:30 utc | 61 A jj, #60 Posted by: Jake | Nov 25 2007 14:35 utc | 62 The ‘homegrown terrorism’ act is not much of a step forward, it just tightens what existed before (imho, but then I haven’t studied the fine print) into one package. Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 25 2007 15:00 utc | 63 the intensity of the attacks on chavez in venuezala & morales in bolivia, this week – concerns me greatly Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 25 2007 15:17 utc | 64 Any suggestions as to where these lists are being discussed? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 25 2007 15:43 utc | 65 the intensity of the attacks on chavez in venuezala & morales in bolivia, this week – concerns me greatly r giap wrote. Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 25 2007 16:06 utc | 66 you can now watch the Route Irish Documentary I mentioned upthread somewhere online here: http://stage6.divx.com/IT-IS-ON/video/1888068/ Posted by: drunk as a rule | Nov 25 2007 19:16 utc | 67 @67 – thanks daar – it was interesting to watch – a lot of dedicated people – thanks to them and to you One of the most successful aspects of BushCo policy as revealed in the changes to domestic law such as the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 is the way that terrorism and political violence, two seperate types of action with quite different goals have been melded into one heinous crime in the minds of the masses. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 25 2007 20:00 utc | 69 interesting bit from an interview in nigerian paper w/ a ret. chief of army staff
Posted by: b real | Nov 25 2007 21:23 utc | 70 edward herman & david peterson: The U.S. Aggression Process and Its Collaborators: From Guatemala (1950-1954) to Iran (2002-)
Posted by: b real | Nov 25 2007 23:11 utc | 71 Just nod if you can hear me… Posted by: annie | Nov 26 2007 2:28 utc | 73 Annie you probably don’t have the correct codec loaded into the puta. The video is coded in divx V 5 you may only have 3.11 loaded in your system There is a freeware 5 here The audio is pretty standard constant bit rate 4100Hz stereo MPEG Layer-3 which you should already have. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 26 2007 3:28 utc | 74 from pr watch’s spin of the day blog
from the japan times article,
Posted by: b real | Nov 26 2007 5:08 utc | 75 Iraq is “getting better”:Pressure for Results: The Politics of Tallying the Number of Iraqis Who Return Home
Re #75 & US propaganda blitz in post-war Japan – don’t forget that any Hollywood film that uses war toys is also propaganda – Pentagon don’t lend no toys unless it approves the script, etc. Posted by: jj | Nov 26 2007 8:35 utc | 77 thanks debs. my computer tells me an external application must be launched to open the file that i have now downloaded. i know nothing about computers. Posted by: annie | Nov 26 2007 8:44 utc | 78 Stiglitz: Financial hypocrisy
WIC to stop buying organic foods for Montana clients
Besides providing food, WIC offers health-care referrals and information about healthful eating. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2007 10:36 utc | 80 Military training program for teens expands in US
Ahh, yes, join the military and at least eat… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2007 10:59 utc | 81 I came back after four years out – my take on the Aussies is that they wanted Howard out for a number of reasons. Iraq wasn’t the primary issue but his duplicitous cunning was as was his Workplace Agreements (AWAs) to undermine organised labour and simple ordinary working people. Posted by: sona | Nov 26 2007 12:41 utc | 82 Madrid is claimed as an instance where terrorism worked; but really that was due to the way it was mishandled by the conservative ex-fascist government. If they hadn’t tried to pin the bombing on ETA and had included Islamic militants as possible causes right from the start, it is likely the population would have united in outrage just as they do everywhere else. Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 26 2007 15:29 utc | 83 @Tangerine Islamic militants (provided one accepts that they are the culprits for x or y terror attack) have never shown any interest in or intent to influence elections or any other political process in any way, nor have they ever made any demands – the story is they are motivated by hate, as any other motive appears to be lacking. Iraq to seek long-term US presence ????
…”two Iraqi officials said Monday.” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2007 16:28 utc | 85 I’ve raised the question a few times, most recently a few days ago, whether xUS elites would turn our country into a fascist state while allowing Europe to continue as a flourishing democracy. I’m sceptical they’d allow that to happen. And since Europeans have been the model of docility in allowing the Predators to destroy their countries under the rubric of some entity called a “European Union”, run by a Brussels Bureaucracy which they can trivially manipulate, it’s not clear how much say you have left in much of anything that matters anyway – like us. Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2007 1:44 utc | 86 Moving right along w/the news that sells scotch by the magnum, anyone remember deal ole Larry Summers? A more grandiose pompous ass is hard to find. He’s one of the economic architects of the wreckage of our country & the Soviet Union, grand poobah of xDem. Party & neo-feudal baron who was thrown out as Pres. of Harvard when he tried to turn it into his personal barony, hopefully free of c**ts & n*gg*rs (recall his first assault was on Black Studies, followed immediately by assault on women in sciences, followed immediately by attack on entire School of Liberal Arts – only economics & Poli. Sci. matters so screw the rest – which was finally too much for the faculty to stomach). Having done such a great job wrecking our country, he’s now a bit concerned – guess he’s stolen all he needs to thrive & is trying to save his ass…Wake up to the dangers of a deepening crisis Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2007 1:57 utc | 87 Oops, sorry for typo on line 2 above – “deal” should obviously be “dear”. Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2007 2:00 utc | 88 On thinking about the above, I suspect his decision to write this was an elte decision to allow the xUS propaganda system to begin breaking the news to the sheep, so policies can implemented, shall we say… Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2007 2:16 utc | 89 study: United Nations Arms Embargoes: Their Impact on Arms Flows and Target Behaviour
Posted by: b real | Nov 27 2007 4:08 utc | 90 new rpt from focus on the global south
Posted by: b real | Nov 27 2007 4:28 utc | 91 two items on the transitional govt in somalia
the three independent mogadishu radio stations closed down more than two weeks ago are still prevented from operating.
and this is the type of govt that the u.s. supports for somalia, eh? it’s the antithesis of everything they talk up. Posted by: b real | Nov 27 2007 5:19 utc | 92 He actually has a heart? Cheney Treated for Irregular Heartbeat @b Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 27 2007 12:08 utc | 94 What challenges do Arabs in Israel face? Here is a classic example (from Yediot Aharonot, a very mainstream Israeli newspaper) of perhaps the biggest one, overwhelming, indescribable prejudice:
Posted by: Bea | Nov 27 2007 12:14 utc | 95 US roadblock shootings in Iraq kill 5
It was a “MINIBUS” which in the middle east is anything that can pack more than 5 persons. Usually small Subarus buses or the like for 8-9 persons. And the US says it was: “traveling on a street restricted to cars” When a bank has to pay 11% interest for a longterm loan, that’s not somewhat encouranging about the creditworthiness.
Citi is essentially bankcrupt … All is well in Kurdistan …
Anyone have good links or analysis about the French riots? All I see on Google News are stories where the angle is how many policemen got injured. I’m sure there’s something slightly more deep than that going on. Posted by: Rowan | Nov 27 2007 18:03 utc | 99 b 93, i read that the other day and immediately flashed what the online response would be if he kicked. i like to think of myself as above or beyond cheering for someones death. would champaign be in order, or another shot of whiskey?
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