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November 10, 2007
Norman Mailer on Losing Democracy

Norman Mailer died.

I haven’t read any of his books (should I?) but remember reading the piece below when it was published in 2003.

There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they prepare for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and many conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can save America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime with a greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that Americans might lose their democracy in the process.

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The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to become a mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in Americans’ lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on the American system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is, may give way. My long experience with human nature – I’m 80 years old now – suggests that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.

Indeed, democracy is the special condition – a condition we will be called upon to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because the combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture of the flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere in America already.
Gaining an Empire, Losing Democracy?, February 25, 2003

Comments

So sad. A great loss. Here’s Mailer at his antiwar best back in 2003:
‘The White Man Unburdened’

Posted by: Ensley | Nov 10 2007 17:52 utc | 1

only book i ever read by mailer was the armies of the night, his account of a 1967 washington, d.c. protest against the u.s. war on vietnam. can’t recall anything from it now, other than that he barely mentioned sharing a cell w/ noam chomsky after they were both arrested that day. not sure if that’s indicative of the time lapse since i originally read it or reflects the (lack of) impact on self for mailer’s part, the latter of which seems likely given his ideas espoused in that 2003 article.
i question exactly what type of “democracy” this country has ever had – certainly not a participatory democracy or a system where the majority rule, i.e., a govt by, or, & for “the people”.
hell, this has never been a nation where all the people living here are treated fairly, let alone equally.
has it even ever really been a representative democracy, esp at the federal level? certainly not according to objective historical accounts.
so mailer’s acct of “losing democracy” is just another vestige of the power of mythos. cultural & national myths only perpetuate b/c of ignorance – be it from naivete, indoctrination, or self-willing delusion. work to remove the ignorance & the myths get replaced.
the u.s. was not ‘driving toward empire’ in 2003. that took place before the revolution.
as francis jennings clearly pointed out in his txt the creation of empire: through revolution to empire,

The climactic phenomena of the American Revolution evolved quite naturally, perhaps inevitably, out of the inherent stresses between the center of an empire and its peripheries. A rickety structure, tacked together in fits and starts, the British empire grew without plan except for yearnings after power and wealth. The Revolution was an episode in the history of an empire that the seceeding colonies had helped to create and with which they identified themselves. It seems necessary to understand the growth and evolution of the colonies’ places and roles in the empire.
One thing is certain: They did not oppose empire as such. From their first day of arrival, every single colonial desired and worked to expand English rule over more territory and more people. When the colonists determined to secede, they wanted to rule those territories and peoples themselves instead of acting as agents for Great Britain. When the Revolutionaries won, they organized their newly independent polity in the form and functions of a new empire. [p. 4] (emphasis in original)

“Examined from that viewpoint,” jennings states, “the American Revolution appears to be evolutionary rather than a break with tradition.” all talk of forming a democracy was just that — talk. which relied on propaganda (declaration of independence, blah blah blah).
let’s define empire as “a political unit that is large, expansionist (or with memories of an expansionist past), and which reproduces differentiation and inequality among people it incorporates” involving “the long-term incorporation of territory and people into a polity.” [1]
there is no reason to look overseas — the “saltwater fallacy” — before we start talking of the u.s. empire. just ask the indigenous americans & the mexicans – they’re very familiar w/ u.s. empire.
broaden the discussion to include the concepts of hegemony & imperialism and a much wider sample of experiences is available to learn from.
and awareness, education, and well-grounded acuity & perceptiveness are what the people of this nation need most right now to cast off the ignorance, apathy, & fatalism that permits empire to continue expanding, devouring lives, and surely guaranteeing disaster in the core. supplant the ignorance & the old myths are no longer appealing. seen for what they are — in part, tools of control over mass audiences — they can then be used to further rip back the master’s curtains.
on mailer’s remark re fascism, fascism can never be the “natural state” of modern human societies, for there is nothing much “natural” about our man-made systems. and since they are man-made, there is nothing inevitably monolithic about how they are implemented, organized, and operated.
if full-blown fascism does come to the u.s. – and hearing senator schumer on tuesday rationalize that the u.s. needs mukasey b/c times call for a strong leader sent a sharp chill down my backside – it will be b/c “the people” acquiesced their own powers to the desires & influence of a select minority.
[1] frederick cooper, colonialism in question: theory, knowledge, history, (2005) p. 27, 29

Posted by: b real | Nov 10 2007 19:02 utc | 2

Good links, thanks E and b. The second link kinda explains the rise of NASCAR. More mostly white heroes. America is a truly sick place at this time in history.

Posted by: Ben | Nov 10 2007 19:07 utc | 3

Fascism is a place into which democracies can decay. The military and the corporation and the idolatry of the nation state have merged into a virus now, that will always lie dormant in this mass media world. It is an axis that runs through mass appeal and mass hysteria. People can become hypnotized when the things they fear are constantly manipulated in front of their faces. Truth is revolutionary when we find ourselves in such times; and we have lost one of our wise men with the death of Norman Mailer.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 10 2007 19:30 utc | 4

norman mailer is a tragic hero for me. his talent was truly comprimised by the power & seduction of the empire he wrote within. given that – he was a lion
armies of the night caught me too when i was young. contrary to many i believe he acted responsibly with his support for the freeing of jack henry abbot. mailer was honest enough to see a superior mind
there is much in the oeuvre of mailer that is still useful to us & much that stay just hyperbole – that was the price of celebrity yet in these last years as a pulblic intellectual he spoke honestly & without fear as does his contemporary – gore vidal
he needs to be honoured

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 10 2007 20:09 utc | 5

Bernhard:
I have one objection to Mr. Mailer’s thoughts. He writes: “My fear is that Americans might lose their democracy in the process.”
His use of the word “lose” is startling in it’s assertion: he assumes it’s something we wanted to keep in the first place.

Posted by: Jeremiah | Nov 10 2007 23:23 utc | 6

From Anthony Burgess’ review of Mailer’s Executioner’s Song, a dusty postcard reminder that Bush’s America isn’t necessarily a recent creation:

This is a Utah story. Utah remains the strangest state in the Union. Beneath the surface of smug quiet fat Mormonism there is a sufficiency of unrest and criminality. Salt Lake City is the only town in the world where, in the last twenty years, I have been stinking incapable drunk. I was drunk because there are no bars. Wanting gin, I had to buy a whole bottle of it at a liquor store. Having three hours to wait for a plane to Kansas City, I found it necessary to finish the bottle and be poured onto the aircraft. Salt Lake City is, to compound the bizarreness, the home of the man who has written my biography. There is something spooky about it. In a state where tea, coffee and tobacco are gateways to sin, the coexistence of creamy confectionery, philoprogenitiveness, belief in the miracles of Joseph Smith, live memories of polygamy, winter sports, and a conviction that death is a plywood door produces a life pattern that requires great art to make it intelligible. Utah has a great choir and a great, or big, temple, but true art is probably a sin, and literature would show up the wretchedness of the prose of the Book of Mormon. The nearest approach to art is gratuitous homicide.

Posted by: mats | Nov 11 2007 0:45 utc | 7

Of course from outside amerika the statement “My fear is that Americans might lose their democracy in the process.” seems to reveal Mailer as just another amerikan exceptionalist unconcerned with the fears and aspirations of those oppressed by amerika’s army unless those oppressed people were amerikans.
Now as Breal and others pointed out up thread, the army and other institutions of state violence have oppressed amerikans since the bourgeois silversmith disturbed everyone’s sleep shouting about the english.
Mailer wasn’t particular perceptive and appeared to lack the spine to tell the truth to power. There was a time when dem pols accorded Mailer respect, but Mailer didn’t seem to use those opportunities for anything more than the mutual publicity that pols and celebs hangin out used to bring.
I read some of his trashier coffe table work when I found it on coffee tables (Munro, Picasso) and gave the Naked and the Dead a good crack when it had been recommended to me as an ‘anti-war’ work at a time when the writings some of those appalled by what they had seen in WW2 were providing insight for those resisting Vietnam, but Mailer’s take on war, through WW2 was much more conservative than Vonnegut or Heller. His book was about a war with asians rather than the europeans of Dresden or Rome and I don’t recall any empathy for ‘the jap soldier’ in the Naked and the Dead.
It would be fair to say that Mailer was more highly regarded by literati than those two, he did command respect from the machismo literati who had been suckled on Hemmingway and may have found a transition to total pacifism blasphemous of Ernest.
This is probably unduly harsh since his failings were those of all humans and he could write pretty damn good when he put his mind to it.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2007 1:28 utc | 8

mats: ironic that Joe Smith was drunk in the back of the wagon when their group of
outcasts rolled over the crest of the Wasatch, some of the most beautiful forage in
the West, then looking out bleary eyed from his debauch, Smith declared shimmering
salt flats below them as “the Pacific Ocean”, and forced the settlers to abandon the
hills for arid flatlands, around a dead salt lake on the edge of the Mojave Desert.
Rather like George Bush, drunk in the back of AF2 (Cheney was in AF1 on his way to
Colorado Springs), looking down on the wreck of Gotham, and declaring that hence we
would march half a world and half a trillion dollars away, and settle a new empire,
abandoning the purple mountains majesty and fruited plains, for rockets’ red glare.
Oh Lord, those sweet strains of the Mammon Tabernacle Choir rising up in the air!
“Nearer, my God, to thee, nearer to thee!
E’en though it be a cross that raiseth me,
still all my song shall be,
Whatever you do, don’t stop shopping~!”

Posted by: Peris Troika | Nov 11 2007 5:29 utc | 9

Unless Kucinich or Paul win, Americans will prove that they don’t want the truth, and they like corporatocracy. American society is simply marketing.
America is not being destroyed, it is being sold.

Posted by: corel later | Nov 11 2007 5:40 utc | 10

Mailer was a famous literary figure. That fame comes at some price. Acting within the stereotype, making concessions, etc.
I never liked his writings much, but that is just me – respect nonetheless. The Naked and the Dead did impress me at the time, though it is not useful, whatever that means.
Rebel, or rabble rousing, iconoclastic, but still, steadfastly mainstream. Within the tradition. Some ppl get caught in the role playing and die (eg Brendan Behan) others stay on top…what’s more to say. Rgiap has it right I guess..

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 11 2007 15:11 utc | 11