The pachyderms still haunt me so I decided to get away from them and spend the weekend elsewhere.
While I’m on the road, please use this thread for news, views or whatever you like to discuss …
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October 20, 2007
Weekend OT
The pachyderms still haunt me so I decided to get away from them and spend the weekend elsewhere. While I’m on the road, please use this thread for news, views or whatever you like to discuss …
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Heads roll for the “missing nuclear warheads” incident last Aug 29 [note: less than 1 week before the Israeli strike on Syria Sept. 6 – coincidence? who knows?], and an explanation is proferred. Is it credible? Can those who would be able to judge please weigh in here? Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 12:17 utc | 2 Bush increases sanctions on Burma
Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 12:24 utc | 3 Bacterial marketing: the other Oskar Schindler in light of jj’s recent post.
see original article for embedded links …
This has got to have a lot military people taking notice. They know this was no mistake. By painting the Air Force as a bunch of bozos, they may actually create a more diligent bunch of service personnel, which is exactly what we need. Those three airmen who reported this story to the Military Times (instead of a CO) probably threw huge wrench in Cheney’s plans and averted something terrible for the time being.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2007 12:38 utc | 4 Or maybe not…. Plan B? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2007 13:04 utc | 6 Or maybe not…. Plan B? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2007 13:06 utc | 7 For those interested in the upcoming Israeli-Palestinian “peace” conference slated to occur in November in Annapolis, here are a number of pieces that give a good in-depth analysis of where things stand from both an Israeli and a Palestinian perspective.
All of these are non-starters for the Palestinian side. Here’s some background context as to why from an earlier Haaretz piece (with annotations and links added by me):
Here are some recent Palestinian pieces about the prospects for the upcoming conference to succeed:
For those who think Rice thinks she can redeem her tainted legacy with her diplomatic efforts in this arena, I would say, “not likely.” Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 13:41 utc | 8 bea Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 20 2007 13:57 utc | 9 Thanks Bea for all that info. I notice also that quisling Blair is very silent these days. Isn’t he supposed be building Palestinian Institutions? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 20 2007 14:52 utc | 10 @CP – Blair seems to be very active behind the scene:
Sarkozy and Brown push Blair for EU presidency – International Herald Tribune
All I can think is – THE HORROR! Posted by: Fran | Oct 20 2007 15:07 utc | 11 r’giap – hard to believe, isn’t it? Instead of sending him to The Hague to be tried for war crimes they are considering him for President of Europe. What is the world coming to? I guess, I must be getting old as I have a hard time understanding it. Posted by: Fran | Oct 20 2007 16:24 utc | 13 bea, Posted by: annie | Oct 20 2007 16:24 utc | 14 Iranian chief nuclear negotiator resigns
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 20 2007 16:39 utc | 16 From the Arab Monitor again (and, again, putting the full article here):
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 20 2007 16:43 utc | 17 i imagine the cruelest place to be is in blair’s brain or what is left of it Posted by: r’giap | Oct 20 2007 16:47 utc | 18 bea @ 2 sometimes a fvckup is just a fvckup. Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 20 2007 17:42 utc | 19 dan of steele Posted by: r’giap | Oct 20 2007 17:55 utc | 20 & b Posted by: r’giap | Oct 20 2007 17:56 utc | 21 not sure what you mean by that r’giap but the safety record of the US Air Force wrt to nuclear weapons is pretty good. it needs to be perfect of course and that again is the reason this is such big news. Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 20 2007 18:05 utc | 22 dan Posted by: r’giap | Oct 20 2007 18:47 utc | 23 Yes, the air base story has touched off a furor in Lebanon this week; I was going to write a post about that tomorrow but since Alamet has already introduced the story, let me follow up with some additional details. It is very very interesting.
The Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star had this response to the as-Safir piece:
and the Daily Star then has a better summary of the As-Safir article:
The International Herald Tribune ran a story confirming much of the As-Safir article and citing an interview with Edelman, who apparently subsequently went on Lebanese TV to confirm much of the As-Safir piece after Ambassador Feltman had vociferously denied it:
On another note, Robert Fisk had a piece this week noting the ominous growth of private armies in Lebanon, and the influx of weapons into the country. He speculates that the US may plan a fate for Lebanon similar to that of Iraq. Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 19:08 utc | 24 Missing Links on US military plans for Lebanon
Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 19:54 utc | 25 Meanwhile, it seems that Turkey and Syria have decided they have shared common interests that should be elevated to a closer relationship.
In short, this is yet more evidence that yet another major regional realignment is in the works to counterbalance the reverbating impact of the US invasion of Iraq and the total mess that Bush’s “shock and awe” Middle Eastern policy has created. Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 20:09 utc | 26 Here is a good analysis by the LA Times of the upshot of Rice’s recent Middle East trip, and where things stand vis a vis the rumored-to-be-upcoming Annapolis conference between Israel and the Palestinians.
Touché. Posted by: Bea | Oct 20 2007 22:04 utc | 27 Fran at 11, the end of the world as we know it, mankind beats global warming Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 20 2007 22:37 utc | 28 @ bea — on nukes sent to Barksdale (THE staging base for ME operations), i recall this, from VIPS member, Larry Johnson: Posted by: manonfyre | Oct 20 2007 22:50 utc | 29 Bea, thank you for the additional info on the Lebanon base story (and my apologies for getting in the way of a post). I had been coming across mentions of it in the last two days, but the talk only involved a single air base. The rundown of multiple bases in your Daily Star link @ 24 prompted me to look around a bit more, and I find this:
This is getting surreal! A total of six bases, not to mention several radar stations, in tiny Lebanon?! If Lebanon agrees to it, it might as well go ahead and formally change its name to Diego Garcia on the Mediterranean. Posted by: Alamet | Oct 20 2007 22:59 utc | 30 One after another, the pro-‘Liberation’ Iraqis are stomping their feet and whining, “We were promised we’d be kings and princes in a functioning colony. We never bargained for chaos. And it is all everybody else’s fault!”
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 20 2007 23:08 utc | 31 Please watch: Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 0:27 utc | 32 Here is an article from Electronic Lebanon that provides a lot of very interesting background context about US military and economic aid to Lebanon, past and present. Well worth reading as a companion piece to the others linked to above in several posts.
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Emphasis added. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 0:43 utc | 34 @Alamet Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 1:09 utc | 35 Bea, U$ and DoS: Posted by: Bruce | Oct 21 2007 1:14 utc | 36 Diopsifusion is the separation and recombination of half-faces into twinned synthetic faces, which are said to reflect each person’s true bipolar nature. Some control their’s, most don’t. Posted by: 7/11 | Oct 21 2007 2:13 utc | 37 who knows? Posted by: DM | Oct 21 2007 2:34 utc | 38 If anyone had any doubt at all that the amerikan invasion of Iraq was a declaration of war against all Iraqis, the conviction and imprisonment of ‘Saddams gaoler’ Colonel William Steele should remove any lingering uncertainties. Steele has been convicted of refusing to obey an order and behavior unbecoming an officer as well as possesion of some documents including aerial photographs of Kandahar airbase and Bagram airfield in Afghanistan. Yet it is pretty obvious his real crime was that he was alleged to be having an affair with his Iraqi interpreter. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 21 2007 3:33 utc | 40 Forget Occam’s Razor, live cruise missiles are never, repeat never, transported for decommissioning on B-52 launch pods!! Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 21 2007 8:49 utc | 41 For everyone’s enjoyment – or those who love New Orleans music – check out my link on pachyderm thread to a GREAT radio station down there (non-comm. of course) avail. online. Posted by: jj | Oct 21 2007 10:12 utc | 42 As for Putin’s travels, here’s the best I’ve been able to find – from IHT. This Great Game is soooo complicated. Energy-rich Caspian becomes center of U.S.-Russia power struggle Posted by: jj | Oct 21 2007 10:19 utc | 43 some weekend comic relief, not a dancing cockatoo but almost. Sure do miss you Frank Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 21 2007 11:58 utc | 44 Important background context: A map of the Caspian Sea along with a somewhat dated but still very informative summary of the status of energy resources in the region — specifically, the history of agreements and disputes among the regional countries on how to develop oil and natural gas there, where it is very very plentiful. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 13:30 utc | 45 Olmert: Nothing to See Here in Annapolis, Nothing will Happen, No Worries
The primary Israeli goal now would appear to be Leaving Annapolis Unscathed. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 14:23 utc | 46 What? Blair EU pres? No. As in Oooh No… Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 21 2007 15:29 utc | 47
Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 15:31 utc | 48 What does a newly elected public official do when his marriage very publicly implodes? Well, but of course: Crash a Wedding in a Foreign Country and Dance the Night Away Like a Drunken Lunatic Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 15:47 utc | 49 Brief but informative background piece on the Warming of the Syrian-Turkish Relationship and its regional implications. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 15:56 utc | 50 Where is everyone???? I feel as if I am posting in an echo chamber today or something… come on guys, don’t be shy… Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 16:05 utc | 51 I’m here – who crashed a wedding? the link doesn’t work Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 21 2007 16:31 utc | 52 Debs is dead wrote: It seems all Iraqis are regarded as potential carriers of some deadly jihadist infection that can be caught merely by having a personal relationship with an Iraqi, even those with security clearances who are ostensibly working on the side of the amerikans. Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 21 2007 16:36 utc | 53 Sorry about that lousy link — Here is a replacement link to the Crash a Foreign Wedding story. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 16:38 utc | 54 Bea, I wonder why the Palestinians will even bother coming to these farcical Annapolis talks? Posted by: ran | Oct 21 2007 16:38 utc | 55 Palestinian activist (and co-founder of Electronic Intifada) Ali Abunimah on the theatre of the absurd that the Middle East Peace Process has become: The Show Goes On… and On and, why, according to Abunimah, it is destined to fail. Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 16:42 utc | 58 more bullshit from Israel’s government. Posted by: ran | Oct 21 2007 16:46 utc | 59 @Tangerine et al: Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 16:47 utc | 60 Uncle @ 6, Posted by: VietnamVet | Oct 21 2007 17:05 utc | 61 Top Lebanese Muslim Cleric: U.S. is Presenting Us with a Diktat: Either We Get the Air Base or Else Lebanon Will Be Made to Regret It (a variation on the theme of “you’re either with us, or you’re against us…”)
Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 17:43 utc | 62 Palestinian officials stunned by what they find in Nahr al Bared: “Like an Earthquake or a Tsunami” (slightly dated piece but informative nonetheless) Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 17:47 utc | 63 Here we go… this feels to me like the match that might finally light the fire that some are apparently so desirous of: 12 Turkish Soldiers Killed by Kurdish Militants
Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 17:58 utc | 64 Two more interesting pieces on the Turkey-Iraq-Kurdish situation:
And as for that bill on the Armenian genocide in Congress, well: Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 18:13 utc | 65 Abbas to Rice: If Annapolis Fails, I will Resign
Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 18:34 utc | 66 Opinion: Many Americans Do Not Realize the Iraq War is Illegal Posted by: Bea | Oct 21 2007 21:09 utc | 67 dear, dear Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 21 2007 21:27 utc | 68 The lack of integrity, and the inability to remain firm on the issue of the Armenian Genocide, is yet another example of those supposed convictions, and moral positions taken by Congress, which amount to nothing more than posturing. We witness ephemeral sparks and glimmerings of conscience in the glare of television cameras. But for the public, it’s like waking up in the morning after a one-night stand, pulling one’s clothes together and staggering out into the naked light of day. Tangerine, not entirely correct – Bu$hCo changed it’s policy. Will admit 12k this yr., up from 1.6k last. link Posted by: jj | Oct 21 2007 21:54 utc | 70 It’s quite simple, and there’s just one way of telling it like it is, R’Giap: 30% of Swiss people are downright fascist fuckheads. As such, these guys deserve the same treatmant that the local Dresdner German got. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 21 2007 23:31 utc | 71 Where is everyone???? I feel as if I am posting in an echo chamber today or something… come on guys, don’t be shy… Posted by: annie | Oct 22 2007 0:26 utc | 72 As usual when the fascists get high percentages the voting percentage is rather low, around 50% apparently. So that makes 15% of adult swiss. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 22 2007 0:51 utc | 73 I don’t know if anyone else at MoA ever went through a Raymond Chandler phase but I did and am reminded of a scene early on in Farewell, My Lovely, where Marlowe is in a bar (one that is about to be torn apart by Moose Molloy). He is idly waiting for someone (turns out to be Moose) and to pass the time he attempts to count the number of lies contained in a sign over the bar.
I could go on but why have all the fun? anyone interested will find there are plenty more for everyone. Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 22 2007 1:44 utc | 74 KABUL, Afghanistan, Oct. 21 — In the face of pressure from the American government, the administration of President Hamid Karzai is seeking the formation of an international scientific committee to review the safety of chemical herbicides to combat Afghanistan’s opium poppy crop, Afghan and Western officials say. Posted by: Bruce | Oct 22 2007 5:32 utc | 75 r’giap, yes the peoples party made gains, but not as much as they expected. I am very frustrated this morning about the reporting, because there is not a word that the Greens gained as many new seats as the SVP, not a word that a new green-liberal party also gained 3 seats, meaning that the Greens together now have 23 seat instead of 14, and not a word that Ueli Maurer the President of the Swiss People Party didn’t get elected in the first run. It looks like the SVP primarily took seat from other moderate and right parties, so it was as it looks more like a reshuffling with in the right block. And no word either that we now have e green senator. And in the Senat the peoples party actually lost a seat. If you want to see the numbers, here is a link: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2007/10/21/74921/052 Posted by: Fran | Oct 22 2007 5:35 utc | 76 Israeli brutality: Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 22 2007 6:19 utc | 77 Are we overlooking the significance of THE MUTINY? Since nuking Iranian underground sites was the heart of the plan, to be complemented by bombing of critical infrastructure (& god knows what all else), doesn’t the Refusal of Military Brass to ship nukes over there (& the sacking of those who did not refuse in the wake of this incident) imply that Bu$hCo will have to call off their Iranian Assault Wet Dreams? Posted by: jj | Oct 22 2007 7:34 utc | 79 debs, i had the same reaction to the article. the absurdity of a nightime airstrike killing 49 people, all criminals? please. Posted by: annie | Oct 22 2007 7:49 utc | 80 or maybe they were “definitely” behind the attack because of the airstrike the night before? Posted by: annie | Oct 22 2007 7:57 utc | 81 it is, not ot os..dim light and all that. once again i would like to remind people outside our borders, there are 300 million people here. we don’t all think w/one mind. Posted by: annie | Oct 22 2007 8:01 utc | 82 Everything is so dreadfully politicized now, god only knows where reality lies, but this is the upcoming German contribution to getting govts. moving in effort to wean economies from exclusive dependence on oil. Perhaps it was anticipation of official release of this rpt. that sent oil prices soaring last week. Posted by: jj | Oct 22 2007 9:26 utc | 83 since this thread is about dead I would like to point out one of those weird little things about the english language. Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 22 2007 12:44 utc | 84 Lebanese presidential elections are postponed for a second time, from Oct. 23 until November 12 Posted by: Bea | Oct 22 2007 12:50 utc | 85 Opinion by a not-insignificant Israeli voice:
And totally predictable:
Posted by: Bea | Oct 22 2007 13:03 utc | 86 Nahr al-Bared refugees have worn out their welcome in Beddawi
Posted by: Bea | Oct 22 2007 13:06 utc | 87 Insiders Talk: The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn’t Want You to Know Posted by: Bea | Oct 22 2007 13:17 utc | 88 Re. #77 Posted by: DM | Oct 22 2007 13:36 utc | 89 New Riverbend post. Posted by: Alamet | Oct 22 2007 15:21 utc | 90 Why are you all dissing Blair? He is a man of peace! Posted by: Alamet | Oct 22 2007 15:25 utc | 91 Plesae, someone shot this son of a bitch now… I’m gonna puke. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 22 2007 15:50 utc | 92 loos = toilets 😉 (also pronounced looz) Posted by: jcairo | Oct 22 2007 17:12 utc | 93 Bea. if i get the chance i will go see valley of elah. Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 22 2007 18:06 utc | 94 Thanks to everyone for all the valuable links.
Excellent, in-depth piece by Sami Moubayed in the Asia Times on what is at stake for Turkey after the PKK attack, and how this event should be understood within a regional and international context. Posted by: Bea | Oct 22 2007 18:23 utc | 96 California is burning… about a quarter million people have been evacuated so far, and some of the most expensive real estate in the US is going up in smoke. They’re scrambling emergency personnel from all over the state to help deal with it. The national guard? Not available–they’re all in Iraq, a problem they warned about back in May. Posted by: Chemmett | Oct 22 2007 18:55 utc | 97 With Bush’s recent “World War III” remark, Cheney’s verbal attack on Iran in a speech, the U.S. military now seeing Shia Iraqis as the new enemy (see today’s Froomkin column for links) it is obvious that the war drums have accelerated their beating pace.
I agree – they want the war on Iran and while people might think that the U.S. military will hold them back but that hope is futile. The Guardian, Oct 22 2007: Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 22 2007 19:10 utc | 99 |
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