Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 24, 2007
War from the Mediterranean to Kashmir

Turkey started an offense against PKK fighters in northern Iraq. This is unlikely to solve anything as long as Barzani, the head of the Kurdish area of Iraq, and its population are supporting the PKK. This conflict will likely expand into an bombardment of north Iraq by the Turkish air force, hitting infrastructure and political targets. This will again solve nothing but could possibly even lead to some skirmishes with the U.S. military.

Meanwhile relations between Israel and Turkey are cooling fast. The Turkish government sees Israel behind Pelosi’s ill timed and self defeating Armenian genocide resolution. Erdogan is also protesting against Israeli training for Kurdish rebels. The Israeli attack on Syria which also violated Turkish air space certainly didn’t help. All the rumors about a ‘nuclear target’ there appear to be ‘curveball’ like fabrications anyway. Relations between Syria and Turkey are mending.

Somehow strategists in Washington and Tel Aviv seem to disregard the very severe danger of a potentially unfriendly Turkey. Who do they think could hold Ankara back?

In Iraq the U.S. military is still in the process of switching sides. It now props up the Sunni forces while increasingly fighting Shia in an escalating air campaign. Such has the advantage of keeping U.S. casualties down but it kills more civilians and will feed a new resistance. In late August Sadr declared a six month truth to reorganize his forces. U.S. action now adds to his movement. Springtime in Mesopotamia will be very ‘interesting’.

The rhetoric against Iran has been turned up some additional notches with Cheney all but declaring war. Despite the internal discussions in Tehran there will be no change in the Iranian position on enrichment. There will be no return to sanity in Washington either. An escalation seems thereby more and more likely. Only the U.S. military (ex air-force) is holding the White House back from issuing attack orders. But that dam will not hold forever. In the end the generals will simply follow their orders.

Further to the east Karzai’s position as mayor of Kabul is getting less and less tenable. Taliban forces are now striking around Kabul and in the city itself. He is losing U.S. support for his resistance to Washington’s hardline policies on opium erradiction. But while undermining him what alternative does Washington believe to have?

The U.S. scheme of injecting Benazair Bhutto into Pakistan is faltering. With her return it immidiately became obvious that she will never get along with Musharraf. But she doesn’t have the power to kick him out. Before long she will be back in her London villa. Who, by the way, is Bhutto pandering to when she publishes an oped on Pakistani ‘democracy’ in Haaretz?!? Her voters in Karachi?

Meanwhile the central Middle East conflict stays unsolved. The big Israel/Palestine peace conference in Annapolis is moved again and again and will likely not happen at all. Olmert’s tactic of stalling all negotiations doesn’t get punished at all.

This is another failure for Rice and a win for Cheney’s likudnik hardliners.

All the conflicts above may errupt independently of each other. But I fear they will merge and lead to what Bush and Cheney seem to desire most. A huge series of wars that will change the map between the Mediterranean and Kashmir, split the countries into small controlable entities that allow the U.S. to play them against each other and rake in the spoils of war.

While the plan might work as far as conflicts are indeed generated, I somehow doubt that the second part will play out well.

Comments

Also just out – an interesting take from ATOL: Iran looms over Turkey crisis diplomacy

Least of all, as Erdogan told the Sunday Times, “In our country a serious wave of anti-Americanism is fast gaining a momentum all of its own. This did not happen overnight for no reason. The developments in Iraq are very important here.”
Erdogan went on to explain why this is so: “The United States came to Iraq from tens of thousands of kilometers away. Why and for what purpose it came I cannot say. But if you ask me my personal opinion, there is no success that I can see. There is just the death of tens of thousands of people. There is just an Iraq whose entire infrastructure and superstructure has collapsed. These need to be correctly evaluated.”
That is why BushˇŻs apocalyptic vision of an impending World War III will not easily convince Turkey. How to make Turkey bend to the US regional policies in the Middle East remains an open question. The PKK card may have outlived its utility for the present. From now on, the law of diminishing returns will be at work.

Posted by: b | Oct 24 2007 13:05 utc | 1

Syrian “Nuclear” Facility
The facility is located seven miles north of the desert village of At Tibnah, in the Dayr az Zawr region, and about 90 miles from the Iraqi border, according to the ISIS report to be released today.
Google Earth anyone?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 24 2007 13:15 utc | 2

I’m no where near as well oriented or well read as most of you guys, but, this is starting to feel like what little I know of how the madness of World War I started, with millions and millions marching like lemmings to the fall — and we have things vastly more deadly than machine guns stockpiled all over the world.
If there is intelligent life on this planet, now is the time to pull out all stops and prove it!

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Oct 24 2007 13:40 utc | 3

Or maybe we have to get it from some other planet
*humming*
…cause there bugger non down here on earth.
Anyways,
what was that adress to the crazy persons map over the remodeled Middle East. Figured it fits here, but could not find it.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Oct 24 2007 14:00 utc | 4

Askod, the map you are looking for is here.

Posted by: ted | Oct 24 2007 14:13 utc | 5

I’ve reached the same conclusion during last days. US are working on atomizing whole Middle East.
Beginning with polarisation between Iraqi Sunni and Shia fractions, they move further. Calling Armenian massacre a genocide appeared to be a shot-in-the-foot, but now seems to be a logical continuation. Turkey is an ally no more.
It appears to be a “divide & conquer” strategy, with only west wall (Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) allied with US. Saudis and Jordanians are only tools here, of course. Will be useless if US gets to Iranian oil fields. Neocons are trying to control east side (Pakistan) too, but it looks to be only a partial success.
The second thing I realized is that now, temporarily, Iran is safe as it never was. With US Army entangled in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are not threated by an invasion. Revenge on desert bases, with no AA cover (as Iraqi and Afghani air forces are nonexistent) could be bloody, so US wouldn’t dare attacking Iran. So, the case of nuclear weapons is “now or never”. But facing new US moves, the time window is shrinking.
What I fear the most is a success of this plan. It may move whole Middle East decades backwards, again.

Posted by: emes | Oct 24 2007 15:07 utc | 6

Great post b.
@emes: It may move whole Middle East decades backwards, again. Lebanon, Palestine, and Iraq have already been moved decades backwards, without a doubt, by these malignant Maestros of Malevolence and Mayhem.

Posted by: Bea | Oct 24 2007 15:13 utc | 7

Turkey is an ally no more.
well, that remains to be seem. the looming meeting between bush and Erdogan should be interesting. i wonder if the US can appear to be reining in the pkk (as the ralston appt was supposed to accomplish) while actually not. from b’s #1 link
the buck ultimately stops in Washington. The key meeting will be on November 5 when Erdogan sits down with Bush. Erdogan will want to hear from Bush that Washington is determined to rein in Barzani and the PKK so that a new Iraq war can be avoided. The pashas in Ankara, cautious by temperament, will await the outcome of the meeting. By beating the war drums in the meantime, Turkey has called attention to its demand that PKK leaders based in northern Iraq must be handed over.
hand them over? that seems like a massive stretch. i wonder if some of these guys aren’t the same ones the israelis have been secretly training. ‘free kurdistan’ is larger than either the intended shia and sunni states. obviously US/IS is counting on this area as being a main fortress. my guess is if they are planning on parting ways w/turkey they will stave this off as long as possible, perhaps w/more smoke and mirrors, their specialty. turkey is right to demand resolution now, asking for the cards to be placed on the table.
how to placate PJAK who they desperately need if confronting iran, while turning over member of their sister org the pkk?
that should be a neat trick.

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 15:37 utc | 8

Bernhard: Good analysis.
Indeed, their plan won’t work that well. If the US tries to divide and conquer, it will find that other major players are at work and are closer to the operations, notably Russia, China, and to a far lesser extent probably India. It’s not as if the US could be able to pick all the spoils, on the contrary.
Chuck: This is something B mentioned in a previous thread I think, and something I’ve discussed with friends since months. We’re coming close to a 1913 situation. With powers ruling the world, that already have divided it between themselves (notably UK and France), have their colonies, access to natural resources and the like, and are already strongly industrialised, and then come a new rising wannabe-hegemon, that barely kows what democracy is, and that has some strong militaristic tendencies. The new power wants its own place in the sun, but to get even with the other powers would mean that these older empires would have to step back a little and make way for the newcomer(s).
Of course they won’t nothing like that and try hard to block any major progress of German 2nd empire, Germany having only a handful of colonies left to grab.
Still, the new rising power has a massive industrailisation going on and soon will catch the 1st rank, which is a worrying prospect for an empire like the British one.
Eventually, since there isn’t any sharing of the spoils, the various powers go on a collision course, and sooner or later proxy wars will cause a larger conflagration, because current superpowers want all for themselves and the new one will never be satisfied with a 2nd rank.
Just replace Germany with China, and UK with USA, and you’ll know what’s coming.
Of course, the parallels are mostly due to their respective historical roles, doesn’t mean the Chinese system is similar to the German reich, or that any of them is more barbaric and psychopathically militaristic as the other. And a neutral observer can’t really say there are, or were, definitely good and noble guys on one side of the war.
We’ll soon know if mankind can learn. It’d better do, because the current level of weaponry and the sheer size of the powers involved will dwarf the entire 20th century madness, if shittiest shit happens.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 24 2007 15:42 utc | 9

Hang tough, Admiral Fallon.

Posted by: Dismal Science | Oct 24 2007 16:09 utc | 10

Consider the eery parallelism between what Bernhard as analyzed above and the latest al-Qaeda message, which Badger analyzed yesterday:

The first eight minutes or so of the full tape are devoted to praise of the Iraqis for their exploits and their courage in fighting the occupier. This is followed by a thumbnail outline of the geo-politics of the AQ-jihadi struggle. “The map of the region will be redrawn,” says BL, “at the hands of the mujahideen, and the artificial borders placed by the Crusaders will be erased, for the state of truth and justice to be established…”

“Beware of fanatical partiality to men, groups, and homelands. Truth is what God and the Messenger have said…The brotherhood of faith is what ties Muslims together…” And he does end the “A is more important that B” series with “The ummah [i.e., the entire community of Muslims] is prior to the [Islamic] state…[i.e., if I am understanding this correctly, the nation-state]”.

In other words, forget all your attachments to any existing notion of states and boundaries… everything is splitting wide open and being redefined. I know this is packaged in a Muslim fundamentalist way to appeal to the audience, but … isn’t there an eery resonance? I really don’t know enough about all the ins and outs of this to properly assess it, but it just struck me, particularly when I put it together with Annie’s post the other day about the unification of the Iraqi (secular nationalist) resistance. This certainly seems aimed at taking some of the wind out of their sails, all in the greater good of doing away with the existing order. How timely…

Posted by: Bea | Oct 24 2007 16:40 utc | 11

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough.
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you’ve had quite enu-hu-hu-huuuuff!
Just – re-member that you’re standing on a planet
that’s evolving and revolving at 900 miles an hour,
It’s orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it’s reckoned,
the sun that is the source of all our power.
The Sun and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
of the Galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our Galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars,
it’s 100,000 light-years side-to-side,
It bulges in the middle, 16,000 light-years thick,
but out by us it’s just 3000 light-years wide.
We’re 30,000 light-years from galactic central point,
we go round every 200 million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions in this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
in all of the directions it can whizz,
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
twelve million miles a minute, and that’s the fastest speed there is.
So remember,
when you’re feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space,
because there’s bugger all down here on Earth.

Posted by: jcairo | Oct 24 2007 17:18 utc | 12

@Bea – Consider the eery parallelism between what Bernhard as analyzed above and the latest al-Qaeda message, which Badger analyzed yesterday:
Well, it’s the same script – maybe even written in the same room?

A few years back, I think in a comment at Billmon’s place, i wrote something with regard to the Kurds being helped by the U.S. It was similar to: “The Kurds have been screwed by everyone, now they will get screwed by the U.S.”
Bush offers to bomb Kurds

THE Bush Administration is considering air strikes, including cruise missiles, against the Kurdish rebel group PKK in northern Iraq.
The move would be an attempt to stave off a Turkish invasion of that country to fight the rebels.
President George Bush spoke with Turkish President Abdullah Gul by phone yesterday in an effort to ease the crisis.

According to an official familiar with the conversation, Mr Bush assured the Turkish President that the US was seriously looking into options beyond diplomacy to stop the attacks coming from Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq.
“It’s not ‘Kumbaya’ time any more – just talking about trilateral talks is not going to be enough,” the official said.
“Something has to be done.”
While the use of US soldiers on the ground to root out the PKK would be the last resort, the US would be willing to launch air strikes on PKK targets, the official said, and has discussed the use of cruise missiles.

Turkish bombs, U.S. bombs – it doesn’t matter – both will have the usual effects. Kill the children and generate more fighters to carry on.

Posted by: b | Oct 24 2007 17:37 utc | 13

Bush offers to bomb Kurds
“One must not confuse the intelligence business with missionary work”
-henry kissinger

Posted by: b real | Oct 24 2007 18:01 utc | 14

How timely…
bea, i’ll say. what are the chances the ‘terroists’ goal, tho wrapped in different ideological dressing, has the same outcome in terms of regions as the occupier.
if you ask me, it is far from crystal who puts out these tapes.

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 19:12 utc | 15

ps, let’s not forget al jazeerah is under new (biased) management.

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 19:14 utc | 16

annie – al Jazeerah under new management? I missed it. Who?

Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 19:18 utc | 17

Is “divide and conquer” the master plan or merely the default option, because these bozos plan wars in a chimerical world of their own black armchair machismo?
Like that old game of pickup sticks. What reason ever to imagine that the US would get to pick up all the sticks?
Fallon and Gates are not holding the line due to simple differences of military judgment. The military, esp the Army, barely has the forces to sustain the present wars. An initial assault would be possible, but it would be impossible to sustain expanded conflict.

Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 19:19 utc | 18

Maybe above reads better as: Fallon and Gates are holding the line not simply because of differences of military judgment.

Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 19:23 utc | 19

small coke last summer
Perhaps there are some red lines and taboos that Al-Jazeera cannot cross or break, as recent changes at the station’s management suggest. In May the Amir of Qatar sacked the entire management board, including Wadah Khanfar, its director. In the turbulent politics of the Middle East this would not be considered unusual, except that the new chief is none other than Hamad Abdul Aziz al-Kuwari, a former Qatari ambassador to Washington, who is known for his close links with both Republican and Democratic politicians in the US. His appointment is seen as a sop to US sensitivities because the Americans had been exerting pressure on the Qatari government to rein in Al-Jazeera, claiming that its coverage of American crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq was undermining its policies. Other appointees include Mahmood Shamam, another pro-US figure, and the new managing director, Ahmad Kholeifi. Insiders at the station say that Kholeifi has instituted sweeping changes that will affect news coverage drastically, undermining what little independence the station enjoyed.
nuf said?

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 19:40 utc | 20

sheeeet, sorry.

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 20:10 utc | 22

That web scrubbing. Are there programs to do this now? Seems to become more common, esp before any major new administration initiative, or new program of spin.
Thanks, annie.

Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 20:55 utc | 23

we used to hear about how horrid al jazeera is, not so much any more. wonder why? i suppose they don’t want us to know it is under new pro US/IS management.
don’t imagine we will be having any more ‘mistakes’ bombing their offices.

Posted by: annie | Oct 24 2007 21:39 utc | 24

Well, who knew? It turns out ‘Kurdish’ isn’t only an ethnicity, it is a religious sect as well. At least, that is what the poll featured on CSIS’ latest report would have us believe. Though they kindly note that, “Other Iraq surveys are difficult to compare because they ask religious doctrine different ways…” They do that, don’t they?
It is here, Iraq, the Surge, Partition, and the War: Public Opinion by City and Region, if you don’t mind spending your time on a 70 page study that can straight-facedly report that, as of August 2007, 37 % of Iraqis thought the US was right to invade their country.
And if you do glance, don’t miss page 12 where Mr. Cordesman mentions “…development in Anbar and the “tribal awakening” that led large numbers of Sunnis to turn on the Taliban and begin cooperating with the US.” Too many occupied countries, too many plot lines to follow. What’s a Think Panther to do?

Posted by: Alamet | Oct 24 2007 21:43 utc | 25

Michael Birmingham, Counterpunch – What Happened in Nahr Al Bared?

(snip)
Something terrible has been done to the residents of Nahr al Bared, and the Lebanese people are being spared the details. Over the past two weeks, since the camp was partly reopened to a few of its residents, many of us who have been there have been stunned by a powerful reality. Beyond the massive destruction of the homes from three months of bombing, room after room, house after house have been burned. Burned from the inside. Amongst the ashes on the ground, are the insides of what appear to have been car tyres. The walls have soot dripping down from what seems clearly to have been something flammable sprayed on them. Rooms, houses, shops, garages –all blackened ruins, yet having had no damage from bombing or battle. They were burned deliberately by people entering and torching them.
How many we do not know, it is too large for a few people to comprehensively assess. But finding an un-bombed house or a business that has not been torched is very hard indeed.
(snip)

Yesterday I came across a picture on the Lebanese blog Remarkz that I thought couldn’t be right, it had to be from, I don’t know… Hiroshima? Now I am not so sure.
image – What is left of Nahr el Bared

Posted by: Alamet | Oct 24 2007 22:36 utc | 26

@annie, thanks for the note on the putsch at AJ. this doubtless explains a brief mention I saw recently about an Israeli TV network dropping CNN in favour of AJ — the new, adulterated, US-puppet-managed AJ. I’m sure there will shortly be an orchestrated wave of admiration in the Western corporate media for the strength of Israeli democracy and the nation’s astonishing near-saintly tolerance for the Arab PoV…

Posted by: DeAnander | Oct 24 2007 22:38 utc | 27

James Carroll talking totomdispatch:
The point here is that the initial city-on-a-hill impulse has never stopped being part of our self-understanding — the idea of America as having a mission to the world or, in biblical terms, a mission to the gentiles. “Go forth and teach all nations,” Jesus commands. This commission is implicit in George Bush’s war to establish democracy — or “freedom” — everywhere. When Americans talk about freedom, it’s our secular code word for salvation. There’s no salvation outside the church; there’s no freedom outside the American way of life. Notice how, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the disappearance of the Soviet system, there is still something called the “Free World.” As opposed to what?
This missionizing in the name of freedom is a basic American impulse. Lincoln was the high priest of this rhetoric, “the last best hope of mankind.” The United States of America is justified by the virtue of its mission. The entire movement of American power across the continent of North America was a movement to fulfill the “manifest destiny” of a free people extending freedom. Because this is understood as a profoundly virtuous impulse, we’ve seldom criticized it. As a nation, we have begun to reckon with the crime of slavery, but we haven’t begun to reckon with the crime of genocide against the Native-American peoples. That’s because we haven’t really acknowledged what was wrong with it.
Think of that phrase — “manifest destiny.” A key doctrine in what I am calling American fundamentalism. It remains an inch below the surface of the American belief system. What’s interesting is that this sense of special mission cuts across the spectrum — right wing/left wing, liberals/conservatives — because generally the liberal argument against government policies since World War II is that our wars — Vietnam then, Iraq now — represent an egregious failure to live up to America’s true calling. We’re better than this. Even antiwar critics, who begin to bang the drum, do it by appealing to an exceptional American missionizing impulse. You don’t get the sense, even from most liberals, that — no, America is a nation like other nations and we’re going to screw things up the way other nations do.

Carroll connects the wires between American exceptionalism and Christian fundamentalism very neatly. One of the few times I’ve ever seen the point made that the Pilgrim Fathers left England because they themselves were too intolerant and couldn’t stand the (relatively and anachronistically) liberal outlook of James I’s Anglican church. It’s also worth pointing out – now more than ever – that although both Christians and OBL are invoking the spectre of the Crusades, historically the crusading experience was a protacted disaster and humiliation for Christendom. The First Crusade succeeded in capturing Jerusalem, but of the following eight Crusades, only the Sixth

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 24 2007 23:48 utc | 28

Should have read,
…only the Sixth was successful, a success achieved by DIPLOMACY. Lessons from history are so much more helpful when the relevant parties bother to read the relevant fucking history books.

Posted by: Tantalus | Oct 24 2007 23:50 utc | 29

rice & the congress proved themselves today to be what they are – a war machine
& bush on cuba – this cretin this lowly piece of shit that passes for a president is not worth of cleaning the shoes of town hall councillor in santa clara let alone fidel
they are fucking monster – every breath they breathe proves it & i would hope today’s disgusting charade in congress would prove to my friend conchita what a worthless bunch of scumbags hold high office in thos united states

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 25 2007 1:17 utc | 30

“In general, however, Turkey has adopted a pragmatic attitude toward the emergence of a de facto independent Kurdistan, in part by supporting the Turkish companies that now provide 80 percent of the foreign investment in Iraqi Kurdistan.” from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/opinion/23galbraith.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
80% is a pretty big number. This is what it means to “be invested in” or “have an interest in” something. How does this figure into the situation? it seems like pissing off whatever passes for ptb in Kurdistan would be a bad idea unless you are going to do away with them.

Posted by: boxcar mike | Oct 25 2007 4:24 utc | 31

Another from James Carroll:
“If I have a point to make, it’s this: The religious tradition of Christian fundamentalism is one thing; the tradition of American exceptionalism another. They both have their roots in the same experience. They were separated. Under George Bush they’ve been brought together.”
Guess someone else has days when it seems as simple as that (ha!). He also makes some good points about liberalism, fundamentalism, and exceptionalism – in the failure of the opposition party and democrats in general, to criticize the war in Iraq in terms other than its “incompetence” of execution. Shows how deep the exceptionalist current binds even among secular liberals.

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 25 2007 4:29 utc | 32

rgiap, at least you don’t have to live here, looted at every level by tax agents with no audit just vapor-war (Katrina the epitome), media belly-bumping and lock-stepping. and your every waking moment isn’t a blade runner reality you are forced to feed your children into like a porno meat grinder, and crawl bent over towards retirement under the jackboot. a good friend recently died in their “nursing” (sic) homes, warehoused, pablum fed, jacked up on franken-meds until his teeth turned black and he’d freeze in mid-motion. before the money ran out, then they changed his meds and he was dead. the death certificate said “failure to thrive”. i still can’t stop vomiting, and you can see traces of spittle on everyone else’s lips as their cars hurtle towards bethlehem, turn on the wayback machine, you will see US parabolic arc of death going moon launch.

Posted by: Tante Aime | Oct 25 2007 4:46 utc | 33

alamet 26, hideous. stunning.

Posted by: annie | Oct 25 2007 6:52 utc | 34

So, AJ now stands for Al Jackass?
They’re not the only ones who’ve had a putsch. So has all the Brit. Press (& of course WSJ). Soros has some kind of arrangement w/Independent. God knows what the story is on the gutting of the Guardian, though I do know that the former head of the Scott Trust that controlled it was appointed Head of AELTC (Private Club that runs Wimbledon, most prestigious tennis tournament in the world), presumably to get him out of the way… And now, it’s being reported that they’re cleaning out BBC. Guess Rupie doesn’t like any competition.
Somebody needs to do another study of the issue. I suspect that the Predators have largely arranged to have the Western Nations’ Propaganda Newsprint Operations consolidated in the hands of 1-3 people, though the extent to which Rupie is the Zeus of the English speaking world is not widely appreciated or remarked upon. Recall he put Tony Blair in power & is driving force to get HClinton going. Literally put Bu$hCo in…by calling the election for him…

Posted by: jj | Oct 25 2007 7:35 utc | 35

So, the conclusion from CJ’s rap is that China & xUS will continue w/their give & take on currency matters until China is fully armed & ready for war, then they’ll pull the currency plug and the missiles will fly???
That’s assuming the Amazon doesn’t burn next yr & blow harvests & coastlines all around the globe. I wouldn’t bet against that by any means.
It’s all a Dadaist farce, since as soon as the missiles fly & the nukes start exploding in the atmosphere, the satellites will cease being able to relay reliable signals, & the whole sorry hyper-electronic universe will collapse…

Posted by: jj | Oct 25 2007 7:42 utc | 36

jj: I can draw no conclusion, except that China and US are on an obvious collision course. How far will it go, I have no idea.
That said, indeed, I’ve suspected since some time that China is only propping up the $$ until the day they assume they have an internal market big enough to consume a big part of their production, they have all the factories they’ll ever get from the US, and they at long last have a decently competitive military. Then, they’ll pull the plug and shit’ll happen.
Of course, it’s always been pretty clear to me that China was kinda screwed because oil would be running out and natural resources overall will be in a sorry state when China would at last be able to be the biggest power.
WTR to harvests, I’d say that what I’m expecting with worries is the next summer, because European (including Ukrainian one) harvest took a massive hit this year; another bad summer would be nasty, and not only for Europe but for the poorer countries which won’t have enough money to buy growingly expensive food. No need to mention that the world simply can’t afford 3 summers as crappy as this one, because everyone would be in major trouble, and we’ll get famine back on a large scale.
“As a nation, we have begun to reckon with the crime of slavery, but we haven’t begun to reckon with the crime of genocide against the Native-American peoples.”
Well, it’s always difficult to have to admit that one’s nation behaved just like Nazis, with the same kind of mindset “we need our Lebensraum, they’re all barbarians to begin with so we can kill them and civilise the survivors”. Particularly since it’s the same political system that is still going on right now – at last Germans, Turks and others can claim that it wasn’t the same regime that committed genocide, and they’re not that guilty of their ancestor’ crims.
Alamet: looks credible to me. Surely, this doesn’t look like a European or Japanese landscape, it’s far too desertic.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 25 2007 10:41 utc | 37

Israeli FM Livni: Iranian Nuclear Weapons Do Not Pose a Threat to Israel
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said a few months ago in a series of closed discussions that in her opinion that Iranian nuclear weapons do not pose an existential threat to Israel, Haaretz magazine reveals in an article on Livni to be published Friday.
Livni also criticized the exaggerated use that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is making of the issue of the Iranian bomb, claiming that he is attempting to rally the public around him by playing on its most basic fears. Last week, former Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy said similar things about Iran.

Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 10:52 utc | 38

Livni is gunning to be the next PM, so it remains to see if she’d still be of the same opinion if she manages to replace him as Israeli leader. I think that she really thinks Iranian nukes wouldn’t be the end of Israel indeed, and that’s not just political posturing, but I wonder if she would still be as honest were she Prime Minister. Though I doubt she’d be a worse PM.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 25 2007 12:51 utc | 39

“You don’t get the sense, even from most liberals, that — no, America is a nation like other nations and we’re going to screw things up the way other nations do.”
isn’t every nation liable to succumb to this?
i’m sure this lurks unsaid behind the “popular” zeitgeist (as in spoken by our dear leaders and repeated endlessly by our media – they’ve said it, now you think it) regarding Canukistan’s role in Afghanistan
I have read many letters to the editor that claim “we have to help them learn to defend themselves…”

Posted by: jcairo | Oct 25 2007 14:25 utc | 40

The New World Order: Attack Iran and You Attack Russia

Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 15:25 utc | 41

bea, a quote from former Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy @ you second link..
As for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “Had he not existed, we would have had to create him. He is doing great things for us.”

Posted by: annie | Oct 25 2007 15:30 utc | 42

The Show Must Go On: US Announces Sanctions Against Iran’s Revolutionary Guards
Truly, they are living on a different planet than the one we inhabit…

Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 16:13 utc | 43

There goes half the promised military aid…
Lebanese army opens fire on intruding Israeli jets

Two jets head back towards Israel after escaping Lebanese anti-aircraft weapons.

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Re Nahr Al-Bared, I anticipate the next step to be one of the oldest tricks in the book, a (possibly undeclared) ban on bringing in building materials to the camp.

Posted by: Alamet | Oct 25 2007 16:36 utc | 44

??!! If this is serious, it smacks of sheer desparation.
Sadrists urge followers to abandon arms

(snip)
“We issued strict instructions to al-Mahdi army to abandon all armed forces throughout Iraq and to not deal with weapons or use them under any condition, even under the pretext of self defense,” the political board said in a statement received by the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).
(snip)

Also from VOI,
Russia to open two consulates in Arbil, Basra
Is this an acknowledgment of what is in store for Iraq?

Posted by: Alamet | Oct 25 2007 16:44 utc | 45

badger has a post

Al-Fajr Media Center has posted on the internet a more-detailed explanation of the complaint the AlQaeda media establishment is pressing against the satellite news channel AlJazeera for its broadcast, this past Monday, of only excerpts of the Bin Laden statement….
The Al-Fajr statement naturally complains about the fact that the AlJazeera excerpting left out any mention of Bin Laden’s warning against allowing jihadis to participate in the electoral or parliamentary process, his warning against the “hypocrites” who join the factions in order to sow fitna, and against listening to the bought-and-paid-for Saudi clerics, and so on. But their main point is a more general one, namely the idea that AlJazeera deliberately misrepresented who it was that Bin Laden’s advice and criticism was directed to. The statement says:
While the speech was intended as advice to the people of Iraq generally, and to sincere (or creditable) people of jihad in particular, in that it advised them to settle their disputes via the precise application of law (shariah) and he invited all to submit to the judgment of God almighty, and warned them not to submit to jurisdiction of the clerics of the [Arabian] peninsula…

Posted by: annie | Oct 25 2007 17:44 utc | 46

@Alamet – 45 – If this is serious, it smacks of sheer desparation.
Hmm – difficult to interpret – I have two ideas:
1. Sadr needs the 6 month to really build capacity and discipline. He wants to follow the Hizbullah model and discipline is core of that.
2. Sadr fears that he/his movement will be marked and killed as a Iran supporters when Iran gets attacked.
1 is much more likely in my view. He needs to build more general and non-sectarian power and support to start a Ted offense, fill weapon storage etc. This has to be done in secret and under complete control.
But then again – I of course don’t know much about him.

Posted by: b | Oct 25 2007 18:25 utc | 47

@small coke #23:
I don’t know if this will help – Wayback Machine. I had no luck doing a plain text search…it seems to want old URL’s as search criteria.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Oct 25 2007 23:56 utc | 48

b, that German “d” got you again. of course you were referring to the Tet Offensive
a possible time for something like this would probably be a few months after the attack on Iran, when the Iranian resistance gets spun up. then the us would really have their hands full.

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 26 2007 6:29 utc | 49

Holy cow, bea, do people realise what your Asia times link means?
The Western powers are being played like the bunch of rank amateurs they truly are. It’s just brilliant.
Basically, the mullahs are saying that Ahmadinejad acts like an autocrat, that he’s bordering dictatorship. Which is exactly what the war party says here around.
Soon, they’ll juste move to remove Ahmadinejad and his government, his guys, claiming that it’s time to end his reign and bring freedom to Iran. And what will the West be able to do, when they’ve stupidly claimed that the preisdent has the power and is the threat, when he clearly is there just for the show. He’s the fall guy that has been set up. He’ll fall from grace and from power. And the guys in charge of Iran will be able to show they are bringing more freedom to Iranian people, will make a few decisions for the show, and than will remain in power and be able to go on with the plan, without much trouble since BushCo won’t anymore be able to claim Iran is led by a madman who wants to nuke Israel.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 26 2007 11:02 utc | 50

stephen zunes: The United States and the Kurds: A Brief History

Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 18:55 utc | 51

More grist for the mill… Rice: Kurdish rebels are ‘common threat’
Snip…

“We consider this a common threat, not just to the interests of Turkey but to the interests of the United States as well,” (Rice) said at a joint news conference with Babacan. “This is going to take persistence and it’s going to take commitment — this is a very difficult problem.”

I’m glad she said “interests” of the United States, since the “imminent threat” card has already been played to death and simple geography is conspiring against a claim that Kurds are going to storm Washington, D.C. any time in the near future. It will indeed take “persistence and commitment” to solve this problem… or several tons of nerve agent and a third party to apply them. Oh, wait, the USA did that already once. Might be difficult to find a third party willing to take on that job in light of what happened to the last one. I wonder Erdogan has made that connection yet.
Any rate, this situation bodes increasingly ill for Seymour Hersh’s campaign strategy prediction.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 2 2007 17:49 utc | 52

Saw that Iran also sent their secretary of state (or what its called in Iran) to Turkey. Bet they will have interesting but less public deliberations.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Nov 2 2007 18:23 utc | 53