Open thread … news & views …
|
|
|
|
Back to Main
|
||
|
October 23, 2007
OT 07-74
Open thread … news & views …
Comments
How can the CIA censor her book? FOX News says she’s not an agent! This site has all the legal documents surrounding Valerie Plame’s legal case against the CIA over her new book. CIA censors blacked out 10 percent of the copy, as can seen in this excerpt from the book, and Plame is not allowed to speak freely in her interviews. [Via No Quarter.] Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 23 2007 6:31 utc | 1
Posted by: Dismal Science | Oct 23 2007 11:23 utc | 2 Old news perhaps, but for 23 completists everywhere.
which leads Nouriel Roubini to describe the Fed as “totally disingenous”:
Note too how it’s all the fault of those pesky Europeans with their Basel regs… Posted by: Dismal Science | Oct 23 2007 11:42 utc | 3 Hillary says she opposes war Iran without congressional approval. Posted by: ran | Oct 23 2007 13:00 utc | 4 Hillary says she opposes war Iran without congressional approval. Homeland Security Presidential Directive Posted by: b real | Oct 23 2007 14:47 utc | 6 secrecynews: Abraham Lincoln and the Jews
Posted by: b real | Oct 23 2007 15:05 utc | 7 Interesting in light of b real’s #6
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 23 2007 15:38 utc | 8 @Uncle Scam Posted by: Bugout | Oct 23 2007 16:04 utc | 9 Uncle and Bugout – Every time this topic comes up I remember DeAnander’s comment on this thread. Posted by: beq | Oct 23 2007 16:25 utc | 10 Now the Great Muzzle Machine is sharpening its claws for Haaretz… ha ha ha, this is just too funny for words.
Pass the peanuts please… It definitely is the Beginning of the End when they do this. What complete scumbags. Posted by: Bea | Oct 23 2007 16:26 utc | 11 I meant the Beginning of the End of the Muzzle Machine, in case I wasn’t clear enough. Posted by: Bea | Oct 23 2007 16:27 utc | 12 biological weapons Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 23 2007 17:20 utc | 13 Aljazeera is reporting today that the Mahdi army now controls Basra, after recent fighting. The mayor and police chief have gone into hiding. Posted by: anna missed | Oct 23 2007 17:57 utc | 14
Wasn’t the whole stadium thing a Pinochet idea? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 24 2007 1:50 utc | 15 Or perhaps, the Insurgents [are] Using Chem Weapons – On Themselves?
Operation Blue Blood
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 24 2007 2:10 utc | 16 [hoping nobody gets offended]
bonus zoophilia flashback story tonite: Man forced to marry goat in southern Sudan
[mr. tombe, as of latest rpt, is now a widower] Posted by: b real | Oct 24 2007 3:50 utc | 17 @17, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Oct 24 2007 6:07 utc | 18 Jim Rogers Shifts Assets Out of Dollar to Buy Yuan
Posted by: Rick | Oct 24 2007 7:03 utc | 20 The Southern California Fires:
Posted by: Rick | Oct 24 2007 8:00 utc | 21 OOps – Turkey strikes at Kurdish militants in northern Iraq-1
Did anyone catch this last week? More sleight of hand on Iraq promises.
link Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 9:13 utc | 23
Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 24 2007 9:36 utc | 24 Luxary items … toys, milk powder, fruits and vegetables …
turkey has crossed the border 30 miles in with commandos,helecopters and f-16’s first reported by the russians now backed up by bloomberg.still can’t seem to figure out how to link.now the guardian also.shit meet fan Posted by: lori laidella | Oct 24 2007 11:03 utc | 26 opps sorry no guardian as of yet.anyone with any more info? Posted by: onzaga | Oct 24 2007 11:08 utc | 27 also wondering about the fires in san deigo.one of our largest ports with a very large mexican population.will they be able to get fema benefits? like the poor blacks in new orleans? (also a very large port city)will they have to show their papers for help?turning new orleans red has certainly worked out for the rebubs.funny how the predominantly black neighborhoods are not receiving financial help as fast as other neighborhoods.also money in these neighborhoods for basic services,electric,water,transportation,and stricker rules for rebuilding than more affluent neighborhoods,are adding extra stumbling blocks,the quadrupling of rents on available housing and lack of jobs,another obstacle not surprising that the city is turning red.i think the only safe port city in the us is in texas. Posted by: onzaga | Oct 24 2007 11:32 utc | 28 re #24 by Debs, about 20 years ago a Boston Globe “conservative” columnist, then with 2 daughters but as a youth stationed in the Caribbean, put on the editorial pages that poor countries had 2 compensating virtues: “good bread and young prostitutes”. re #24 by Debs, about 20 years ago a Boston Globe “conservative” columnist, then with 2 daughters but as a youth stationed in the Caribbean, put on the editorial pages that poor countries had 2 compensating virtues: “good bread and young prostitutes”. also wondering about the fires in san deigo.one of our largest ports with a very large mexican population.will they be able to get fema benefits? like the poor blacks in new orleans? (also a very large port city)will they have to show their papers for help?turning new orleans red has certainly worked out for the rebubs.funny how the predominantly black neighborhoods are not receiving financial help as fast as other neighborhoods.also money in these neighborhoods for basic services,electric,water,transportation barely exists if at all,and stricker rules for rebuilding than more affluent neighborhoods,are adding extra stumbling blocks,the quadrupling of rents on available housing and lack of jobs, are the topping on the cake. its not surprising that the city is turning red. i think the only safe port city in the us is in texas. Posted by: onzaga | Oct 24 2007 11:44 utc | 32 sorry for the rants,have lots of friends and family scattered throughout these calif areas,having been raised there.have only heard from one so far and the news was not good.i may have evacuees comming to stay in new orleans with me.how strange is that.anyway just a bit stressed knowing what they are going through and feeling their panic.i think i’ll take a sleeping pill and try to deal with it when i wake up. Posted by: onzaga | Oct 24 2007 12:19 utc | 33 Anybody else here find it interesting that, the destroyed Potrero community near San Diego is the location where Blackwater planed to put their massive mercenary training facility. And now all the homes are destroyed? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 24 2007 12:29 utc | 34 I know. I know. This is just mean. But Richard Mellon Scaife is in divorce hell, and it’s costing him. Posted by: ‘citizen’ | Oct 24 2007 13:28 utc | 35 Just for this one sentence:
CIA Stealth Venture Fund Focuses on Spy Gadgets Even `Q’ Adores Posted by: Alamet | Oct 24 2007 21:48 utc | 36 Uncle – Don’t know the geography of southern CA. Potrero area seems to be largely rural and very near the Mexico border. Would you know where exactly was the proposed Blackwater training area? Had the land been purchased? Posted by: small coke | Oct 24 2007 22:21 utc | 37 OMFG, Uncle —- that went through my head today, but the other possibility I thght. more likely was that guys from the building industry that’s going in the toilet set them…one of course doesn’t exclude the other… Posted by: jj | Oct 24 2007 23:46 utc | 38 Thanks for the good news, citizen. As I recall even his sister called him ~a drunken guttersnipe. Posted by: jj | Oct 24 2007 23:47 utc | 39 One other dimension to the StinkyWater issue that Uncle raised. (That name won’t come up in google search & seems appropriate 🙂 ) They were lobbying Gov. Schwarznegger-Kennedy for state contracts, but Dems. fighting it last I heard. The Big thing to watch is to see if they get a contract for fire-fighting/or post-fire security, etc…. If so, setting massive fires is just a greedy fascists way of lobbying… See they gotta have bases in Ca – hell, just too damn hard to set off an earthquake & they don’t own bioweapons labs, yet… Posted by: jj | Oct 24 2007 23:53 utc | 40 Confirmed Arson investigation:
Some ominous points: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 25 2007 2:17 utc | 41 They sure as Hell won’t blame them on StinkyWater…of course, it’s possible that contractors/their Latin employees set several to get more work, then StinkyWater decided they didn’t want to be left out – seems to me that there are an unusually large number that all happened in dispersed locations @same time…a few decades ago a fire was set by fireman to get overtime pay… Posted by: jj | Oct 25 2007 4:04 utc | 42 some more details on the ONLF’s recent retaliatory attacks on ethiopian forces in the ogaden (in which they claim to killed more than 250 soldiers, including 13 officers) — Analysis: TPLF regime Indulging in Delusion Posted by: b real | Oct 25 2007 4:40 utc | 43 Picked up another bit of interest to those following Ca. wildfires. When Bu$hCo raids your states Nat’l Guard Troops – the poor kids who signed up for one weekend a month to help fight fires, floods, etc. to pay the mortgage – they don’t just take the kids. Feds also steal their equipment. And they DO NOT return the equipment. So, the fires are raging so totally out of control, not just ‘cuz this is Santa Ana winds season, but ‘cuz they don’t have the equipment they need to fight the fires… Posted by: jj | Oct 25 2007 6:54 utc | 44 JJ, et all, Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 25 2007 7:42 utc | 45 This is somewhat funny. The pesky sovjet communists fight for free movement of capital in the U.S.:
58 comments: Did Pelosi threaten Conyers?
or political aphemia? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 25 2007 11:33 utc | 47 heh, indeed. Posted by: ran | Oct 25 2007 14:59 utc | 48 The Neo-cons might be laying low, but they appear to be succeeding (with the help of the Dems) in provoking the war they have always lusted after: Posted by: Malooga | Oct 25 2007 15:35 utc | 49 Iran wins major infrastructure contract in Iraq Posted by: Malooga | Oct 25 2007 15:40 utc | 50 Malooga @50 Posted by: small coke | Oct 25 2007 16:04 utc | 51 Asia Times: Oil: The Sovereignty Showdown in Iraq
Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 16:05 utc | 52 More from the Asia Times piece in #52:
Fascinating. Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 16:10 utc | 53 Israel: For Every Rocket from Gaza, A Power Outage Will Be Inflicted Upon All Gazans
Posted by: Bea | Oct 25 2007 16:23 utc | 54 Why Iraqi Farmers Might Prefer Death to Paul Bremer’s Order 81 Posted by: Alamet | Oct 25 2007 16:51 utc | 55 Central Bank of Iran breaks with the US dollar
And a glimmer of hope:
Posted by: Alamet | Oct 25 2007 16:58 utc | 56 Brian Turner’s sparked an Iraq War poetry fest over on the NYT blogsite. See the comments too.
Posted by: ‘citizen’ | Oct 25 2007 17:40 utc | 57 You will probably have noticed that Bush’s budget request for war on Iraq and Afghanistan, which the Democrats will of course honor, includes 88 million to refit B-2 stealth bombers to carry 30,000 pounds bunker-buster bombs that would be used against Iran. The fires in Greece are a special case. About California now, and other places in the past, Spain and France for ex. to *generalize*: Posted by: Tangerine | Oct 25 2007 19:19 utc | 59 @Tangerine – I agreed – the big media problem with the Californian fire is that there is no villian. The Privatization of National Emergency Response
We can save you, you know, if the $$$ is right! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 26 2007 1:09 utc | 61 welcome to the magic kingdom, folks. please form a single line & as soon as goofy over here is done inspecting your shoes, most of you will be on your way. enjoy your stay and, remember, keep shopping. Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 4:18 utc | 62 The broken Army muddles forward backwards. Just like 1969. Posted by: anna missed | Oct 26 2007 4:28 utc | 63 Stopped by kos for first time in months. It highlights 2 Reasons why Radical Extremist Repug Elites Coalescing around the Merely Extremist Right-Wing xDem. Party this election: Posted by: jj | Oct 26 2007 6:53 utc | 64 More on DynCorp… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 26 2007 7:25 utc | 65 US rendition in Africa: Shadows Whose Fate Can Only Be Guessed At
Pfaff: Atheism, Religion and Nationalism
How is the chance that you are NOT on this list? More than 755,000 on US terrorist watch list
How is the chance that you are NOT on this [terrorist watch] list? Posted by: Rick | Oct 26 2007 9:11 utc | 69 The other Naomi:
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 26 2007 9:32 utc | 70 Sy Hersh gave a talk on the 24th in Ireland for Amnesty International. No transcript, but there is an mp3. McClatchy has another scoop: U.S. ignores angry reaction to secret poppy spraying test
Hersh in the above talk said something like: The Afghanis certainly didn’t like the Taliban. But after what we did the last years they would love them to come back and kick the U.S. out. Israel: Any deal with the Palestinians must be based on the ‘Road Map’
As per usual, the “peace process” is starting with a complete non-starter. Israel “demands” that its terms be met without the slightest regard for the needs of the other side or (apparently) awareness that these very demands by definition will sabotage the process. (Unless that is the intention by design.) Posted by: Bea | Oct 26 2007 14:11 utc | 73 edward herman: Genocide Inflation is the Real Human Rights Threat: Yugoslavia and Rwanda
herman cites rwanda as an example, concluding
Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 14:30 utc | 74 pinr: Intelligence Brief: Arctic Scramble Leads Washington to Reconsider Law of the Sea
Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 14:45 utc | 75 could somebody help me out? what is the name of the law just passed that allows the president to to decide you are supporting terror or in any way deterring our war effort and any of your friends or relatives who assist you can also be charged. aside from the military commission act, the other one.. Posted by: annie | Oct 26 2007 16:12 utc | 76 annie- is this what you’re thinking of? Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 17:04 utc | 77 annie – Jane Harman’s H.R. 1955: “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism”? Not yet law, but she and other Dems are working to make it so. thanks guys. b real, that is what i was looking for. b, she and other Dems are working to make it so. Posted by: annie | Oct 26 2007 18:15 utc | 79 this article is from monday, but i don’t recall seeing it mentioned here
energy watch group report available here Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2007 18:24 utc | 80 Haaretz on Israeli plans on Gaza – ANALYSIS: Israel’s real intention behind sanctions on Gaza Strip
IHT reports travel restrictions proposed for former SecDef.
Any chance that France will be more receptive than Germany to pursuing the case? Posted by: small coke | Oct 26 2007 19:15 utc | 82 The sole exception: unlike in Lebanon, the population there has nowhere to run. Posted by: Bea | Oct 26 2007 19:59 utc | 83 The sole exception: unlike in Lebanon, the population there has nowhere to run. Posted by: Bea | Oct 26 2007 20:00 utc | 84 Well since that unintentionally posted twice, let me at least correct the typo: Posted by: Bea | Oct 26 2007 20:02 utc | 85 Is the U.S. trying to get the Turks really, really pissed off?
The Turks expect the U.S. to do something about those who kill Turkish soldiers and civilians. The U.S. doesn’t do so but has a General throw oil into the fire. Naomi Klein on why she likes the biz press, despite their dismissals of her book:
Posted by: small coke | Oct 26 2007 20:40 utc | 87 b@86 Posted by: small coke | Oct 26 2007 21:13 utc | 88 also – Posted by: small coke | Oct 26 2007 21:22 utc | 89 this country was founded on christian principles Posted by: jcairo | Oct 26 2007 22:00 utc | 90 Maybe both sides are quietly agreeing to return to the status ante – Turkey polices the border. But why so publicly?
sound friendly enough? my guess is the formation of an independent ‘free kurdistan’ is extremely important to US interests. not only do we expect the region to host our primary bases in iraq, i would imagine this area, w/its close proximity to russia is considered essential to our long term goals. we cannot be seen as invading turkey. we plan on the kurds landing it for us. my guess is the latest incursions have been provocations, supported by, at a minimum, the cia. there is a lot of ground to cover between now and 08. Posted by: annie | Oct 27 2007 1:29 utc | 91
Full study available at the link. Posted by: Bea | Oct 27 2007 2:38 utc | 92 Please take time to visit this blog by a British doctor of Indian origin who has recently travelled to Palestine for the first time. His trip is detailed on a day by day basis in the blog with LOTS of photos. (Read from the end–DAY 1 backwards to the beginning – last day). After his trip, he published a letter in the British Medical Journal about the boycott issue. You can find it at this link if you scroll way down… there are so many letters… Posted by: Bea | Oct 27 2007 3:20 utc | 93 @small coke – 88 It seems likely that Iran would also give encouragement and arms to Kurds to make trouble that will complicate any US safe harbor in Kurdish Iraq.
SecDef Gates at a NATO meeting:
A war declaration to Cheney? Incompetence? Really? Really???
Remarkable that WaPo reports this:
Then again, they blame the Iraqis. No question asked if the U.S. troops could be the real reason for the observed change. Imbedded “journalists” tossing softball questions at a press conference? How is that a scandal? I thought that was standard operating procedure for this administration. Posted by: Monolycus | Oct 27 2007 7:55 utc | 99 #b, 98, Posted by: anna missed | Oct 27 2007 9:22 utc | 100 |
||