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September 15, 2007
Weekend OT
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Unexpected ally? haha Posted by: anna missed | Sep 15 2007 18:38 utc | 1
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 15 2007 18:47 utc | 2 This rant appears only as a matter of record. I’m really pissed off about being ignored. Has nothing to do with MOA, sorry, you guys are great. Gives me hope that others are intellectually sparky. Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Sep 15 2007 19:15 utc | 3 Wolf… ignored? Well, you’re preaching to choir there, even if I’m not entirely sure what it is that you are referring to specifically. Hang in there and keep contributing. I’m sure somebody somewhere is still reading. Hell, I’m still here. Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 15 2007 19:20 utc | 4 From energyandcapital.com: “Without guaranteed access to Iraq’s oil,we absolutely could not maintain our military and economic dominance of the world. Vice President Cheney has known this, even spoken publicy about it, for years. And why else would he have convened a meeting of Big Oil representives within his first month in the White house to pore over maps of Iraq’s oil fields, as if that were the top priority of the administration?” Posted by: ben | Sep 15 2007 19:50 utc | 6 ben, could you provide a link for that article. i googled the text and the only place it appears is from a powerline message board w/out a supporting link. i also did a search at energy and capital. would appreciate it. Posted by: annie | Sep 15 2007 20:36 utc | 7 I am appalled at every advance of the Hillary Clinton political machine. Wesley Clark endorsed her today, which indicates he has done a deal for a slot in her Administration. Posted by: Antifa | Sep 15 2007 20:53 utc | 8 antifa Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2007 21:24 utc | 9 As many say about the two parties in America, the Democrats and Republicans are just two wings of the same bird of prey, and never has that been truer than right now. Posted by: Ensley | Sep 15 2007 22:11 utc | 10 Ya gotta love the official new neologism “return on success” touted by the pin head in chief – which not incidentally has been reinforced (big surprise) by surge architect fred kagan in his criticism of the Webb bill before congress – which would force the military to equalize time between deployments and state side time. Apparently, bush and company would like to leave the troops in Iraq without leave UNTIL they achieve “victory” or “success” or whatever the decider has decided at that time. Maybe this is a good idea. Since the powers that be (both sides) haven’t the where with all to end this mess, or think “its all well worth the sacrifice”, and the american people can’t muster the energy to say enough and make it stick. Then the last hope remaining, the weakest link in the chain, then is for the military itself to break. In which case it makes sense to send as many over as possible, then slam the door shut until the president gets a smile on his face. Might as well turn the meat grinder all the way up while you’re at it, he’d like that. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 15 2007 22:23 utc | 11 http://tinyurl.com/2clryv (2006) Posted by: Haka Sahla | Sep 15 2007 23:56 utc | 12 I’m late, but wanted to post this for yr. Easy Listening over the weekend in response to the one bit I had time for of Antifa’s. Hillary is NOT GOP-lite. The financial interests that backed Idiot-in-Chief realized they couldn’t shoehorn in another Repug in name, so they coalesced around her. She agreed to their demands. Principal demand – that we from whom all has been stolen will bail out those who have stolen everything (ie Wall St.). She’s agreed to confiscate our wages for them, via 90% income tax. YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS GUY. Dr. Michael Hudson, Wall St. guy (ex?), financial historian & Professor. This was recorded early Aug. He’d just been appointed Kucinich’s Chief Economic Advisor – I didn’t think Kucinich was of any importance til I listened to this guy. He said it’s ALL ABOUT TAX POLICY. He’s drawing up a new one to reindustrialize our country & assure we can once again feed ourselves. The 2nd rap is fascinating ‘cuz he gives the history of the transfer of taxes from something paid by the rich, since they were the only ones w/money to pay them, almost completely off the rich now. Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2007 0:24 utc | 13 Thanks for the heads up, jj. Guns and Butter is truly a great radio program. If you own an mp3 player and want to download the two programs for later listening, or listening while walking in the woods, as I like, here are the real links to plug into your browser: Posted by: Malooga | Sep 16 2007 1:34 utc | 14 malooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 2:14 utc | 15 sometimes ya just gots to use the truth to sell yr product
Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2007 4:45 utc | 16 Speaking of Greenspan, here’s one of his mentors reviewed in the NYT. Posted by: catlady | Sep 16 2007 5:16 utc | 17 Agreed, Malooga. Better than the dismal Democ. Now (or Never) sadly. Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2007 7:09 utc | 18 One of the counterarguments to the “it was all for the oil” theory on Iraq is: “Why then are we waiting for the Iraqi government to pass an oil bill? If it were all about oil we could’ve just moved in and taken it over overtly.” Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 16 2007 12:51 utc | 19 The US never bought much of Iraq’s oil to begin with. 90% of Iraq’s and the rest of the Gulf region’s oil (as of the last time I found a write-up on it), goes to China, Japan, India, and other smaller Asian countries; in that order. So whoever controls Iraq’s (and Iran’s) oil somewhat then controls China’s oil and that of the other Asian countries. If not the actual goal, it is surely a nice byproduct of Bush’s war; kind of like having your foot on the accelerator of other nation’s economical progress. Posted by: Ensley | Sep 16 2007 14:53 utc | 20 the theft of the oil of iraq is just one more aspect of the sack of iraq. the pillage of a nation. the theft & expropriation of the funds of iraq are even now being given their star piece in ‘vanity fair’. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 14:53 utc | 21 I heard on the Guns and Butter radio broadcast linked above that foreigners are loaded with US $ that they can not use to buy US corporations, so they have to buy us govt debt, mortgage debt, etc. Well… the dominant supermarket chain in my home area is fully Dutch owned, Ahold bought it off KKR. I know some Chinese outfit Haier almost bought Maytag, while backed by Blackstone, but were outbid by Whirlpool, not blocked by law. So… Posted by: boxcar mike | Sep 16 2007 15:09 utc | 22 One of the counterarguments to the “it was all for the oil” theory on Iraq is: “Why then are we waiting for the Iraqi government to pass an oil bill? If it were all about oil we could’ve just moved in and taken it over overtly.” Posted by: Rick | Sep 16 2007 15:34 utc | 23 re jj @18 Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 15:50 utc | 24 @boxcar mike – Is there some sort of documentation of the claim that foreign entities can not buy US companies? Clinton versus Guiliani will be the same meme Posted by: Peris Troika | Sep 16 2007 16:41 utc | 26 A blogger, who is former MI, and commentors with experience in handling nukes, discuss military procedures, scenarios, possible explanations for the nuke flight from SD to Louisiana.
Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 17:11 utc | 27 rick Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 17:42 utc | 28 PostGlobal is an interactive conversation on global issues moderated by Newsweek International Editor Fareed Zakaria and David Ignatius of The Washington Post. It is produced jointly by Newsweek and washingtonpost.com,
Posted by: annie | Sep 16 2007 17:53 utc | 29 re Iraqi oil, I recall seeing a report shortly before the invasion, saying that the Cheney Energy Commission expected 25% of US oil imports to come from Iraq in the future. The US also guarantees oil supply for Israel. The reason they have to Iraqi legislation is to shield US oil majors from legal limbo. US govt itself has zero ability or expertise to explore for, produce, or transport crude. Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Sep 16 2007 18:21 utc | 30 Haka Sala @12 Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 18:29 utc | 31 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 18:41 utc | 32 Amerika is the name of the construct which sends killers out to make some rich, while leaving many other amerikans destitute. Amerika is the entity which is intended to be the prime beneficiary of the actions of the US govt. By that I mean Amerika the entity, not all amerikans within that entity. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 21:01 utc | 33 Oh, I like this… Message to you fucks…
The weapons actually “belonged” to Congress in the chain of custody and they failed to put restrictions on Mister Bush:
Now can the ICC arrest and try and convict these fucks, if they false flag and let one off here? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 16 2007 21:51 utc | 34 Good stuff uncle $cam! Now if only those at the Hague would actually do something more than talk. Although they will be a lot less welcoming to any old amerikan pols who feel a need to absorb a bit of their ancestors’ heritage. Not because of the hassle of locking em up, but because of the embarrasmment in finding a reason not to. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 23:30 utc | 35 I apologise if this has previously been brought to the attention of MoA, but after a quick skim I found no reference to this timely article, despite the fact it is prominent in Counterpunch this weekend now past on my side of the date line, I have decided to slap up a bit of rhetoric on the piece.
The article also points out that during the peak of 05 there were thousands more foreign troops working the provinces of Iraq, most of whom are long gone. Those that aren’t gone, are going. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 23:52 utc | 36 @b @25 Posted by: boxcar mike | Sep 17 2007 0:13 utc | 37 Oh, I love the Dubai Ports thing. DP was buying the port services arm of P&O. Who is P&O? Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | Sep 17 2007 1:21 utc | 39 another piece of that al jazeera video rpt on foreign fighters i posted on in the previous open thread
there is an embed of a segment of the video rpt not in the two other excerpts which i linked to previously. a related article in that post stated
this new video shows those “caricatures” — a sheet of 8 1/2 by 11 paper ripped out of a spiral notepad w/ those family names scribbled, in english btw, above a bullseye sketch of three concentric labeled, in english again, 10, 11, and 12, secured to the top of four posts scattered in a clearing. amusingly, one of the individuals is shown firing a shoulder-launched weapon at one of those posts for target practice. Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 4:05 utc | 40 sorry – “why would any non-somalis” who come to the aid of the insurgency need a u.s. citizen to teach them how to handle & …” Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 4:09 utc | 41 Rick, Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 17 2007 6:00 utc | 42 State Dept. Convoy Attacked in Baghdad, Sparking a Shootout
On the question of foreigners buying domestic assets – Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2007 7:45 utc | 44 If this is true then the Maliki government is through. Dawa party considers leaving the UIA team Shiite alliance. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 17 2007 9:11 utc | 45 This is Noteworthy. One of David Rockefeller’s chief advisers/minions, Zbig, has said something helpful. Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2007 9:37 utc | 46 the “shootout” in 43: According to BBC the company involved was Blackwater. Abbas Threatens to Boycott November “Peace” Conference; Condi Due in Jerusalem Today
Is he perhaps realizing that he might have been had? Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 13:41 utc | 48 Baradei Slams Threats of Strike Against Iran
Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 13:44 utc | 49
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 14:14 utc | 50 You seriously want to hear this interview on todays Democracy Now: The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 14:16 utc | 51 @47 Posted by: PaulM | Sep 17 2007 14:37 utc | 52 Walter Pincus, via TPM:
Is someone trying to declare “success” and withdraw? If it gets the president’s signature on an order to retreat, call it whatever they want. Until then, hold his petulant, panicky, deceitful head in the fire. Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 15:18 utc | 53 This Blackwater story is big. The US relies on its mercenaries. If their license remains revoked and they are kicked out, then this is the beginning of the end. It sets a precedent for all other mercenaries. And they’ll go with a wimper, too. Posted by: Malooga | Sep 17 2007 15:25 utc | 54 @PaulM Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:25 utc | 55 North Korea Talks Delayed; No Future Date Set
Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:29 utc | 56 Both North and South Korea Say Allegations of Nuclear Aid to Syria are Groundless Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:34 utc | 57 Much as Blackwater is deplorable, the fact that it is the Interior Ministry banning Blackwater makes one suspect that this action is part of something greater.
Blackwater – one of many. Numbers.
And where else? Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 15:35 utc | 58 malooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 15:38 utc | 59 A little more Naomi Klein: She answers questions posed to her on an open thread at the Guardian here. Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:51 utc | 60 Non-reported story: The Gradual Ethnic Cleansing of Kirkuk
Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:56 utc | 61 Didn’t some study group in US just recommend that the Interior Ministry be disbanded, because it was a dangerous arm of Shia militia and otherwise dysfunctional? Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2007 16:12 utc | 63 Just posted two posts on the old OT (#64) when I meant to post them here… sorry! Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 16:20 utc | 64 annie – So Blackwater ban would be one more move in the power struggle between Maliki and US. and who? Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 16:34 utc | 66 Syria Comment has a first-hand report from the ground in Deir Ez-Zor, the location the Israelis apparently hit.
Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 16:38 utc | 67 for beq & anna missed other plasticiens here – an intersting programme on iraqi artists in exile Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 17:09 utc | 68 US somehow persuades Sadr and his militia, part of Maliki’s security force, to stand down. Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2007 17:13 utc | 69 “Just what we need, 100,000 unemployed mercenaries. I hear the Post Office is hiring.” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 17:26 utc | 71 “If we don’t fight Blackwater over there, we’ll have to fight them here!” Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 17:32 utc | 72 annie – Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 17:38 utc | 73 “If we don’t fight Blackwater over there, we’ll have to fight them here!” Posted by: Malooga | Sep 17 2007 17:38 utc | 74 Hello friends Posted by: n/a | Sep 17 2007 18:58 utc | 75 It gets murkier – the scuffle over Blackwater.
Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 19:41 utc | 76 four u.s. army psyop documents over at secrecynews
Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 19:57 utc | 77 we will witness Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 20:21 utc | 78 My guess is that many amerikans are seeing Maliki flex his political skills for the first time. In the past he has come across to non-Iraqis as an almost craven puppet of the last amerikan who pulled his strings. Fact is though he needs considerably more skill than that to keep his job in the shark infested tank he has chosen to enter. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 17 2007 22:00 utc | 79
Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 22:24 utc | 80 Blackwater – Time says it has the incident report that USgovt filed. Report mentions attack on convoy by small arms, no mention of IED. Blackwater responded with military discipline. Armed insurgents, not civilians. That’s the report. Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 22:53 utc | 82 Sounds like some Interior forces faced down some Blackwater forces. Who knows what about. Or how long the whole incident lasted. How nearby is all this backup – 2nd (Blackwater or USmil?) convoy, Iraqi Interior forces, “American” helicopter?
Waxman says he will investigate too. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 23:14 utc | 83 The so-called ‘contractors’ can be brought to account under Iraqi law. Posted by: annie | Sep 18 2007 0:12 utc | 84 U.S. signs accord with Jordan backing its nuclear development Posted by: Malooga | Sep 18 2007 0:53 utc | 85 Tasers are the new black. University of Florida student gets tasered while police try to restrain him for “disrupting a public event” at an open mic when he brazenly began dogging John Kerry about the state of the 2004 election, Bush’s potential impeachment, and Kerry’s affiliation with the Skull & Bones Society. Video of the incident: University of Florida Student tasered at John Kerry Speech Echoes from this incident a little less than year ago. Teach our kids to fear authority and more importantly not to ask questions of our elite on a campus setting. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 18 2007 1:57 utc | 87 Girls! Music! Palestine! Posted by: Bea | Sep 18 2007 2:43 utc | 88 the kid was feeling righteous in exposing a hypocrite & being persecuted by the man for it, while the cops were exercising their own idea of justice in a nation of laws, not people. if police-state tactics like this continue or even increase on campuses, w/ the most cherised of freedoms taking the brunt of it, then it won’t be long before students really start getting radicalized. far from kowtowing people, excessive responses like this only spread indignation among those who actually hold the high moral ground & encourage more meaningful acts of resistance. Posted by: b real | Sep 18 2007 3:34 utc | 89 Well, here’s what NBC affiliate NBC6 has to say: Police Use Taser On UF Student During Kerry Speech. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 18 2007 4:20 utc | 90 @Annie I’m going on what the BBC said last night. If you read that part of the provisional authority agreement you will notice it refers to employees of the provisional authority , the contractors aren’t authority employees and neither are they covered under the deal for military service people of the occupying forces. Reading it the way you intend would mean if you think about it, that all foreigners are exempt from Iraqi civil and criminal law which is plainly incorrect.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 18 2007 5:05 utc | 91 Probably shouldn’t even pass this along, but my local (TV)news said that “security contractors from the Blackwater group are being kicked out of Iraq for firing on civilians”. No follow up, of course. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 6:22 utc | 92 Ahh, guess they got it from the the local fishwrap: Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 6:27 utc | 94 @91 – The Blackwater security guards “opened fire randomly at citizens” after mortars landed near their vehicles, killing eight people and wounding 13 others, interior ministry officials said.
Sure, a mortar and after that 20 minutes of spraying including from two helos. The mortar must have killed them all. Interesting who is coming out against war on Iran
James Carroll interview; religious fundamentalism, exceptionalism, and the military. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 9:08 utc | 97 The crazyiness of U.S. imigration: Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why
They will have to remain in the country and stand trial, the Iraqi interior ministry said. Posted by: annie | Sep 18 2007 11:40 utc | 99 Asia Times reports on the Blackwater imbroglio:
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