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September 15, 2007
Weekend OT

Busy today and no idea for a quick post.

But you may have some news or views you want to share. Please do so …

Comments

Unexpected ally? haha
In his testimony, Petraeus used the military science term “battlefield geometry” in describing how he figured out the number of troops he could afford to release. A top GOP Senate adviser complained after the speech: “The president needs better ‘communication geometry’ to prevent overreaching with happy talk.”

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 15 2007 18:38 utc | 1

9/11 – the big cover-up?

Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was ‘far from the truth’.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 15 2007 18:47 utc | 2

This rant appears only as a matter of record. I’m really pissed off about being ignored. Has nothing to do with MOA, sorry, you guys are great. Gives me hope that others are intellectually sparky.
W.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Sep 15 2007 19:15 utc | 3

Wolf… ignored? Well, you’re preaching to choir there, even if I’m not entirely sure what it is that you are referring to specifically. Hang in there and keep contributing. I’m sure somebody somewhere is still reading. Hell, I’m still here.

Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 15 2007 19:20 utc | 4

Actually, send me an email. Let’s chat.

Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 15 2007 19:22 utc | 5

From energyandcapital.com: “Without guaranteed access to Iraq’s oil,we absolutely could not maintain our military and economic dominance of the world. Vice President Cheney has known this, even spoken publicy about it, for years. And why else would he have convened a meeting of Big Oil representives within his first month in the White house to pore over maps of Iraq’s oil fields, as if that were the top priority of the administration?”
“We’re building and maintaining permanent military bases from which our military will ensure a near-monopoly of the world’s second-largest oil reserve.”
Such a hugh and easy story, and yet the Iraqi oil law, that will make this all possible, is never mentioned or even touched here in the US “liberal media.” So very sad.

Posted by: ben | Sep 15 2007 19:50 utc | 6

ben, could you provide a link for that article. i googled the text and the only place it appears is from a powerline message board w/out a supporting link. i also did a search at energy and capital. would appreciate it.

Posted by: annie | Sep 15 2007 20:36 utc | 7

I am appalled at every advance of the Hillary Clinton political machine. Wesley Clark endorsed her today, which indicates he has done a deal for a slot in her Administration.
The two of them appall me a great deal, because they are perfect representatives of the imperial American mindset, which is a product with very little shelf life left in it. Electing them will be akin to beating a dead horse — it wastes valuable time and effort, and yet promises only more of the same.
She will not renounce the Iraq invasion as the fraud and mistake that it was and is. She will not take any military option off the table when it comes to preventing Iran’s nuclear goals. She will not promise single-payer health reform, only piecemeal expansion of current programs that simply feed Federal monies into the hands of private insurers and the pharmaceutical racket.
She will not punish the GOP for its transgressions of our Constitution, nor will she take any trouble to see that those kinds of transgressions are undone or made impossible in future. She intends to occupy the Unitary Executive seat that Dick Cheney and the nazi Addington have created in the Oval Office, and use it herself.
At a moment in American history when the nation needs desperately to meet itself, face some hard truths about our true role in the world, and choose paths of internal sustainability for this country and for the world, her focus is on further corporatizing the Federal government, further advancing American dominance of the morally bankrupt globalization of the planet, and further exercise of the same preemptive military approach that Mister Bush calls America’s special role in international affairs.
She’s GOP-Lite. I hope one or another of her fundraising scandals will derail her purchase of the nomination. I cannot in good conscience vote for her.
America can do a lot better than Hillary. If it cannot, it deserves the cuckolding it is asking for.

Posted by: Antifa | Sep 15 2007 20:53 utc | 8

antifa
i refu!se to take seriouslly that playing out of marionettes that takes place in the so called legislative assemblies of u s armed force. they are not only fools. they are dangerous fools. kubrik could not have found a caricature cruel enough that would go some measure to describe their stupidity & their venality
perhaps there was a time (& personally i doubt it) when the balance of forces & different currents were important. they are not now. they have no importance at all
they will do as they are told by the elites who know little more than they do & they will lead other countries to slaughter while weeping about their own dead & making melodrama from what is in fact, murder
they will do their best to destabiles & destroy the entire middle east
for the first time in a century the brothers & sisters of latin america have a moment to create their own destiny – simply because u s armed force can not carry war out on two fronts – despite the dead dialogues of their apologists. the comrades in latin americ must do all that in necessary to protect themselves from whatever will come their way when the empire is capable of doing it
they want the oil of venuezala, they want the rich mineral resources of that continent & above all they want their skin & bones as slave labour. the latin american people ought to listen very carefully to both chavez & moreles & reread their che guevara because the monsters will return. that much is certain – we saw that in 2002 in the coup against chavez – the greed of the elites who feed off the people & suck the tats of the u s empire cannot wait to return to their positions of power
che sd 1 2 3 many vietnams & it must be clear to one & all that the only thing this particular empire understands is force. it jist like to have the monopoly of that force
but multiplicity is a strange thing & the people – both the past the present & the future of the people are much stronger than armed force. armed force is a transitory thing – it is destructive but it is implicitly incapable of constructing anything. its speciality is destruction & even in that they are not as competent as they would like to believe
so the sorry stooges in & out of uniform in washington are less than zero – they amount to the worst aspects of a past we had thought we had forgotten
i despair of american political life because it has become so crude – the vulogarity of an l b johnson or lee atwater is absolutely refined compared to the current crop of cretins. & thos cretins do not exist in isolation. the fear that resides in the american public has created them. it is only that public that can confront the institution of fear in themselves & transform the corrupt political life they have created

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2007 21:24 utc | 9

As many say about the two parties in America, the Democrats and Republicans are just two wings of the same bird of prey, and never has that been truer than right now.

Posted by: Ensley | Sep 15 2007 22:11 utc | 10

Ya gotta love the official new neologism “return on success” touted by the pin head in chief – which not incidentally has been reinforced (big surprise) by surge architect fred kagan in his criticism of the Webb bill before congress – which would force the military to equalize time between deployments and state side time. Apparently, bush and company would like to leave the troops in Iraq without leave UNTIL they achieve “victory” or “success” or whatever the decider has decided at that time. Maybe this is a good idea. Since the powers that be (both sides) haven’t the where with all to end this mess, or think “its all well worth the sacrifice”, and the american people can’t muster the energy to say enough and make it stick. Then the last hope remaining, the weakest link in the chain, then is for the military itself to break. In which case it makes sense to send as many over as possible, then slam the door shut until the president gets a smile on his face. Might as well turn the meat grinder all the way up while you’re at it, he’d like that.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 15 2007 22:23 utc | 11

http://tinyurl.com/2clryv (2006)
http://tinyurl.com/ywd4sg (2007)
Maybe Damascus is too close to Kirkuk?
Bush-Hunt is writing black ops deals
for Iraqi oil, and Basra has fallen,
then Mosul to Diyarbakir is the way.
Bomb Al Hasakah into the Stone Age(TM).
http://tinyurl.com/2rz9zk (comment)
http://tinyurl.com/3bbm96 (map)

Posted by: Haka Sahla | Sep 15 2007 23:56 utc | 12

I’m late, but wanted to post this for yr. Easy Listening over the weekend in response to the one bit I had time for of Antifa’s. Hillary is NOT GOP-lite. The financial interests that backed Idiot-in-Chief realized they couldn’t shoehorn in another Repug in name, so they coalesced around her. She agreed to their demands. Principal demand – that we from whom all has been stolen will bail out those who have stolen everything (ie Wall St.). She’s agreed to confiscate our wages for them, via 90% income tax. YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS GUY. Dr. Michael Hudson, Wall St. guy (ex?), financial historian & Professor. This was recorded early Aug. He’d just been appointed Kucinich’s Chief Economic Advisor – I didn’t think Kucinich was of any importance til I listened to this guy. He said it’s ALL ABOUT TAX POLICY. He’s drawing up a new one to reindustrialize our country & assure we can once again feed ourselves. The 2nd rap is fascinating ‘cuz he gives the history of the transfer of taxes from something paid by the rich, since they were the only ones w/money to pay them, almost completely off the rich now.
ENJOY. Aug. 15 &22. I guarantee you, even financially illiterate barflies, will enjoy every second, though you may need to relisten to parts of it. He is speaking for & to us. Happy Weekend 🙂
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD.

Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2007 0:24 utc | 13

Thanks for the heads up, jj. Guns and Butter is truly a great radio program. If you own an mp3 player and want to download the two programs for later listening, or listening while walking in the woods, as I like, here are the real links to plug into your browser:
http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20070822-Wed1300.mp3
http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20070815-Wed1300.mp3
R’giap,
You’re beautiful writing has been the only thing sustaining me for the last few days. Thanks.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 16 2007 1:34 utc | 14

malooga
you offer me heart – in every sense of that word
venceremos

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 2:14 utc | 15

sometimes ya just gots to use the truth to sell yr product
Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil

[The USA]’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.
In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.
However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.
Greenspan, 81, is understood to believe that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East.

Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2007 4:45 utc | 16

Speaking of Greenspan, here’s one of his mentors reviewed in the NYT.
What is John Guilt?

Posted by: catlady | Sep 16 2007 5:16 utc | 17

Agreed, Malooga. Better than the dismal Democ. Now (or Never) sadly.
Shipping the nukes to Barksdale was just an “accident”. See this proves it…and damn if it wasn’t fast… so clearly the Network is Mobilized for Action…Seriously Scary Shit – you are advised to proceed w/yr. mouth empty of liquids…
Nuke mystery. Remember those six nuclear missiles “accidentally” shipped from Minot, North Dakota to Barksdale, Louisiana? Conspiracy buffs have pounced on the revelation that one soldier (and possibly two compatriots) who might have witnessed this “accident” met with a mysterious end. From cryptogon:
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base. He died while on leave in Virginia. No further details have been released.
Blue protected nuclear storage facilities.
Meanwhile, a Minot Air Force Base B-52 pilot named Weston Kissel died on leave in Tennessee, in a motorcycle accident.
The third death seems the least “hinkey” (as cops used to say): A 20 year old Minot AFB man named Adam Barrs died in a vehicle crash. Barrs was the passenger; his driver survived.
I’m sure the Air Force will have explanations for all three deaths that clear away any hint of mystery. On the other hand — remember Pat Tillman?
link

Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2007 7:09 utc | 18

One of the counterarguments to the “it was all for the oil” theory on Iraq is: “Why then are we waiting for the Iraqi government to pass an oil bill? If it were all about oil we could’ve just moved in and taken it over overtly.”
They seem to forget that although the USA is the world’s leading military power, it is not the only one: we still have to maintain some semblance of propriety or we will be issuing a license for any military power to act in its strategic interests and start seizing oil fields throughout the world.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 16 2007 12:51 utc | 19

The US never bought much of Iraq’s oil to begin with. 90% of Iraq’s and the rest of the Gulf region’s oil (as of the last time I found a write-up on it), goes to China, Japan, India, and other smaller Asian countries; in that order. So whoever controls Iraq’s (and Iran’s) oil somewhat then controls China’s oil and that of the other Asian countries. If not the actual goal, it is surely a nice byproduct of Bush’s war; kind of like having your foot on the accelerator of other nation’s economical progress.

Posted by: Ensley | Sep 16 2007 14:53 utc | 20

the theft of the oil of iraq is just one more aspect of the sack of iraq. the pillage of a nation. the theft & expropriation of the funds of iraq are even now being given their star piece in ‘vanity fair’.
the fact that not one of the freebooters who arrived with the viceroy bremer (& it was no accident he affected the wearing of army boots) & amongst the worst of the custer battles will ever face a court for their rape & pillage of iraq
because in jurisprudential terms if not in metaphysical ones – the coalition provisional authority (cpa) didn’t exist. was not an ‘entity’
well that fucking ‘entity’ ripped the guts out of iraq & then these fucking scum returned to their boathouses & their golf clubs to imagine another & all future pillages
they do this, they have done this because they are guilty of crimes that are worse than murder. they have & are trying to extinguish the soul of the people of iraq. they tried in the first week – destroying once & for all the cultural treasures of iraq & then they went out & murdered the prominent intellectuals that could form a resistance & blamed this on their hoods-for-hire
the world is not so stupid that it does not know how war criminals operate – & the world understands well indeed – what degraded forms of tragedy have taken place in iraq
& they understand deeply that some day the bill will arrive at their table

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 14:53 utc | 21

I heard on the Guns and Butter radio broadcast linked above that foreigners are loaded with US $ that they can not use to buy US corporations, so they have to buy us govt debt, mortgage debt, etc. Well… the dominant supermarket chain in my home area is fully Dutch owned, Ahold bought it off KKR. I know some Chinese outfit Haier almost bought Maytag, while backed by Blackstone, but were outbid by Whirlpool, not blocked by law. So…
Is there some sort of documentation of the claim that foreign entities can not buy US companies? Examples (other than the supposedly port-security-based blocking of the Dubai ports deal)? Are they only allowed to do it if they are not taking majority control? It is interesting and extremely hypocritical if true.

Posted by: boxcar mike | Sep 16 2007 15:09 utc | 22

One of the counterarguments to the “it was all for the oil” theory on Iraq is: “Why then are we waiting for the Iraqi government to pass an oil bill? If it were all about oil we could’ve just moved in and taken it over overtly.”
They seem to forget that although the USA is the world’s leading military power, it is not the only one: we still have to maintain some semblance of propriety….”

I agree with the general point.
But who exactly is “we”?
As an aside, a constant theme of mine here at Moon of Alabama is that we (those of us here at Moon of Alabama) should not be lazy with our language and descriptions. Who exactly is “we” when describing the U.S.? Obviously in answering this particular question, one would probably conclude “we” is “big oil” interests, some of which is multi-national in scope. Technically, the U.S. is not in the oil business, but of course, as global corporatism takes dominance, it surely is in the oil business but then, again, other countries are involved too. Surely, most people in the United States (commonly referred to as “Americans”) have no clue about this oil bill and are not waiting for the oil law to be passed.
As a common but different example of such laziness, so often, America (or more wrongly Amerika) is used to describe actions of “we” or the United States government. First off, America is not the U.S. government nor is it technically the people of the United States as it includes those in Canada, Latin America and so forth. Secondly, although the word is commonly used to describe the United States, such laziness has inherent hazards. Bush often speaks of America this and America that, mainly a propaganda tool to be more inclusive than what “we, the people in the USA” actually support. This overlaps into a third point, that is, America has strong patriotic connotations here in the USA. I am guilty of such errors quite often also, but am going to make a conscious effort to improve.

Posted by: Rick | Sep 16 2007 15:34 utc | 23

re jj @18
Wayne Madsden compiles AP and other stories. Another odd AF death in September in Washington state. Major in AF Special Ops, John Frueh, was found dead near his rental car in a popular hiking area, while on leave from his base at AF SpecOps Command in Florida. He had gone to Oregon to attend a friend’s wedding, but missed the wedding.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 15:50 utc | 24

@boxcar mike – Is there some sort of documentation of the claim that foreign entities can not buy US companies?
Why China’s Unocal Bid Ran out of Gas

Posted by: b | Sep 16 2007 15:55 utc | 25

Clinton versus Guiliani will be the same meme
as Bush versus Kerry: Put up Kerry as a straw dog.
See who salutes. If possible, Swiftboat him back
into the low 40’s, then have him walk away with
no protest, (and $25M in campaign funds richer).
If not, if they hadn’t succeeded with Swiftboat,
Kerry would’ve been another Repug Skull ‘n Bones,
in tie-dyed sheep’s clothing, so unimpeachable.
Now comes Clinton. Everyone in the world knows
Hillary would activate 100% of the Repug base and
even some of the Repug dead to vote for whomever is on the Gooper ticket, in this case,
Guiliani, ala Insécurité, Inégalité, Aucune Confrérie.
If somehow the Repugs can’t Whitewater Clinton into
the low 40’s, as pointed out this thread, she’ll be
a deficit-and-spend-more enabler of Neo-Zi’ism, and
the Paul’s and the Kucinich’s just an interesting
read on coffee table books in the Neo-Zi Gulag, for
those who still have coffee tables and homes left.
Ergo, Guiliani 2008, classic WWE of costumes and clowns.
Before Rudy’s got his eight in, WW2 vets will die off,
60’s hippies retire expat, ECL intellectuals internally
exiled, and immigrants expelled, leaving US a compliant
exploitable labor force who value collaboration over
confrontation
, and aren’t afraid to do a little pump-
and-dumping themselves, if it puts bacon on the table,
binge drinking and e-bay black-marketing the new meme.
Red Army, Blue Army, the same Gang of 535 Politburo,
same end-of-the-day moral-fiscal bankrupcy. Would you
like boiled turnips with your cabbage soup, comrade?

Posted by: Peris Troika | Sep 16 2007 16:41 utc | 26

A blogger, who is former MI, and commentors with experience in handling nukes, discuss military procedures, scenarios, possible explanations for the nuke flight from SD to Louisiana.

There’s something a bit strange about this Drudge-trumpeted story, concerning the Air Force’s “temporary loss” of five nuclear warheads.
With most of the Advanced Cruise Missile fleet (AGM-129) being retired from operational service, we can assume that Minot crews had been through this drill before. Remove the warhead from the missile, then fly the inert weapon to Barksdale for decommissioning. Retiring the warhead–if that’s part of the plan–entails a separate (and completely different) process which does not require a B-52 flight.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 17:11 utc | 27

rick
i take your point but i follow the dictum of the theologian martin buber who told us, “you can only gain power over the nightmare by calling it by its real name”
almost my entire argument against my friend slothrop was based on his refusal to understand that the empire that is controlling & destroying this world has its capital in washington
the other aspect of my argument against him was essentially – the people were always missing, absent, had dissapeared
it seemed only americans appeared
& so when i take my responsibility for my position against u s imperialism – i do so with whatever precision i possess
the forces in iraq carrying out enormous crimes & carnage against the people of iraq are directed by americans
i understand that a german living in berlin, munich or koln in 1943 did not give one ounce of consideration to the people of the east. on the contrary, as a population they facillitated it. they may not have known the details but the people are not stupid – they knew the general character of what was happening & by the time of goebells ‘ winter gifts to the soldiers’ – where citizens gave their warm clothes to those on the eastern front – they knew full well what was happening. it is only in middle & late 1944 that their real doubts enter because that enemy is arriving at their door.
that moment was too late for reflection & generally speaking except for the rape of women which was horrendous – the avenging soviet armies were lenient in what they could have done. they like black south africans could have & perhaps should have torn the country apart – piece by piece. but that is not what happened & histories that tell otherwise are simply fabricating
so when i speak of the u s empire, when i speak of americans – i know what i am doing
the great majority of the people who post here are americans & as i have sd often enough – it is the first forum in which i have spoken to americans, ever
it is the criminal aspects of this war that oblige me to speak of indelicate things – like haditha for example – or where a young girl was raped & murdered, where soldiers killed the family to cover up their criminal enterprise. the day to day slaughter has to be given a name – these people the victims & the perpetrators in a just world should never be forgotten
but we live in a world where these crimes are constantly hidden – even by progressive people because the essential truth of it is so horrifying & so telling
i watched on the internet a doco -(awful it must be sd directed by the horrible scribbler of words mark bowden) about the ‘real story’ of black hawk down
& the cultural imperatives inherent in the things all & i mean all the soldiers & airmen – were by their very nature the discourse of criminals, war criminals.
their deaths were noble, courageous, were done despite the corrupt clinton, were manly, were heroic, were team & individual effort while the deaths of tens of thousands of somalis were at best unmentioned & at wors totally disregarded except as addendums to their own heroism – “i asked the gunner to shoot into the crowd”, “the helicopters shot at everything” on & on – descriptions not of soldierly task but those of murder.
what the u s was horrified by again was not the facts but the imagery – the imagery of american soldiers being dragged through the streets of mogadishu
& it is the imagery that they are concerned about because – the whole enterprise is a cultural one & always has been – from when the spanish empire asked in spanish to indigenous people whether they had faith in god & when they did not respond – they were slaughtered. the dominant culture has always carried weaponry
i suppose that is the difference of the late 20th century & the century we are living through today is that the empire does not have the monopoly on the use of force & fear
there is an unequal distribution
in somalia it was enough for the u s army to leave very rapidly indeed
in iraq – it is conveneitnly used to hide the horror of their own act & of their initiation into the worst of savageries. they play with the religious confession of people like some perverse toy.
& puppets like petraeus co-ordinate the perpetrators – as has always been the case since the time of the romans. it is simply that the crimes of empire are being expanded & elaborated under the u s empire

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2007 17:42 utc | 28

PostGlobal is an interactive conversation on global issues moderated by Newsweek International Editor Fareed Zakaria and David Ignatius of The Washington Post. It is produced jointly by Newsweek and washingtonpost.com,
The Global Realignment: The end of a US-centric world?

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The media has recently caught on to the fact that US influence is in steep decline but still under the mainstream radar is the extent to which other players such as Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela are stepping into the vacuum. The US is still the military superpower but it’s already sharing the global influence stage with emerging powers who can move global events as well or better.
A dramatic global realignment appears to be in progress (and quickening) as the result of several factors:
o The loss of US influence as a result of the Iraq war
o A view across the globe resulting from Abu Ghraib and range of missteps that the US has lost the moral high ground it had enjoyed for decades
o A feeling among global leaders that the US is without a coherent foreign policy strategy…a belief that has started feeding on itself and has emboldened US adversaries
o China’s rise, its smooth diplomatic technique, its re-alignment with Russia and its aggressive, clever drive to form new alliances with nations extending from Asia and Africa to South America
o Russia’s recent rise combined with Russian President Putin’s domestic popularity and his reputation for effectively standing up to the West
o The rise of non-aligned nations emboldened by the inability of the US to effectively use the extraordinary power it possesses
o A view among key global leaders that the US will be bogged down in Iraq for many years (a view heightened by significantly by President Bush’s September 13 Iraq speech), thus distracted and unable to respond effectively to key political moves by the range of international players
o A recognition by the international community that the Bush Administration not only hasn’t been able to deal effectively with non-state actors (e.g. terror groups like Al Qaeda) but they are holding their own or starting to win
As a result of these and other factors, the world, from the top tier players to fringe nations to isolated political movements and ideologies, has recognized that a giant vacuum in global power has formed…and they’ve been moving to take advantage of it with no resistance from an essentially powerless US foreign policy establishment. Russia and China have beaten the US in forming critical energy alliances in Central Asia, in the Caucasus, in Africa and even in South America. At the recent APEC Summit, China was the 800 pound gorilla and President Bush was relegated to “also there” status. In 2007, the US now longer guides the world…at least two others (Russia and China) exercise power more effectively than the US. In 2008 and beyond that number may well expand and many think this may actually stabilize the world.

Posted by: annie | Sep 16 2007 17:53 utc | 29

re Iraqi oil, I recall seeing a report shortly before the invasion, saying that the Cheney Energy Commission expected 25% of US oil imports to come from Iraq in the future. The US also guarantees oil supply for Israel. The reason they have to Iraqi legislation is to shield US oil majors from legal limbo. US govt itself has zero ability or expertise to explore for, produce, or transport crude.
The geopolitical problem isn’t control of oil supplies to Europe, Japan, or China. The basic trouble is declining production and few if any remaining “elephants” (big oil fields) except Iraq. Ignore OPEC quotas. They can’t raise production much if they wanted to.
Natural gas fields in Siberia or the Artic shelf don’t count, as far as the US is concerned. The Pentagon needs oil for jet fuel, diesel, lubricants, industrial transport.
W.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Sep 16 2007 18:21 utc | 30

Haka Sala @12
An interesting hypothesis.
Do you know where present pipelines are? Link up at Diyarbakir?
Offer Syrians a cut of profits in exchange for cooperation? Or for relative neutrality.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 16 2007 18:29 utc | 31

Amerika is the name of the construct which sends killers out to make some rich, while leaving many other amerikans destitute. Amerika is the entity which is intended to be the prime beneficiary of the actions of the US govt. By that I mean Amerika the entity, not all amerikans within that entity.
While all US citizens are amerikans (willingly for most, extremely unwillingly for a goodly chunk) not all amerikans are US citizens. The 10+ million so-called illegals who have been cut out of any benefit from the US govt are nevertheless amerikans because they have put themselves in a situation to assist (consciously or unconsciously) the advance of the amerikan empire, some in the hope that someday they will be able to join the sub-group of amerikans who benefit from the amerikan empire. Others because like so many others they have confused the state of being an amerikan with being a US citizen and imagine citizenship will confer the ‘good’ parts and leave them free to pick and choose the not so good aspects of living in a society feeding off the lifeblood of so many less powerful humans.
Still others just haven’t thought about it, they live a day to day existence which affords them neither the time nor the inclination to bite the hand they hope will feed them.
Amerika is the name of the set and amerikans are all the human elements of that set. I try and keep it simple when I use the term but it isn’t always. But it sure beats the libel of lumping the entire population of two continents with bad karma by referring to acts of the empire as acts of the american empire, or ignoring that subset of amerika, made up of the illegals, and without whom the empire could not function, by describing the entity as the US and it’s population as US citizens.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 21:01 utc | 33

Oh, I like this… Message to you fucks…
Congress’ complicity not going unnoticed…
…by the World Court at the Hague:
Congress’ Liability in a Nuclear Strike on Iran
No more European vacations for our legislators?
by Jorge Hirsch
snipet:

The reasons why members of Congress are liable to face criminal indictment by the ICC in the aftermath of a U.S. nuclear attack on Iran are:
The crimes will be in the category of “most serious crimes of international concern”;
The U.S. Congress funded the creation of the weapons to commit the crimes, and paid the salaries of the servicemembers that pushed the buttons;
The U.S. Congress was aware that conditions were such that the crimes could occur in the ordinary course of events;
The U.S. Congress had the authority and ability to prevent the crimes from occurring, and failed to take reasonable measures within its power to do so;
At least some members of Congress actively aided, abetted and assisted in the commission of the crimes.

The weapons actually “belonged” to Congress in the chain of custody and they failed to put restrictions on Mister Bush:
snipet:

Congress has the constitutional power to legislate under which conditions nuclear weapons, the most terrible weapons created by mankind, will be used in military operations. By funding the research, development and manufacture of these weapons, at the rate of over 6 billion dollars per year, and handing them over to the Executive without putting any restriction on their use, members of Congress have made themselves liable for crimes that may be committed with “their” weapons. And there is the aggravating circumstance that the Executive announced to Congress that it would use nuclear weapons under conditions constituting serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflict, and that Congress knew that such conditions were very likely to occur.

Now can the ICC arrest and try and convict these fucks, if they false flag and let one off here?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 16 2007 21:51 utc | 34

Good stuff uncle $cam! Now if only those at the Hague would actually do something more than talk. Although they will be a lot less welcoming to any old amerikan pols who feel a need to absorb a bit of their ancestors’ heritage. Not because of the hassle of locking em up, but because of the embarrasmment in finding a reason not to.
I have been re-watching an amazing 28 part BBC history of WW1 made in the 60’s. It has plenty of first person accounts from shit-kickers and decision makers on all sides. Did you know that after the Lusitania was sunk and Wilson was campaigning on not entering “The Great War”, one of the dem senators introduced legislation aimed at renaming sauerkraut “freedom cabbage”
There is nothing new under the sun. Bernhard will know better than I, but I believe that there are still members of the once vilified Krupps family mixing it up in international high society.
p.s. before anyone asks that is because B is german and aware of his country, not because I think he mixes it in international high society.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 23:30 utc | 35

I apologise if this has previously been brought to the attention of MoA, but after a quick skim I found no reference to this timely article, despite the fact it is prominent in Counterpunch this weekend now past on my side of the date line, I have decided to slap up a bit of rhetoric on the piece.
Written by a pentagon staffer under the pseudonym HERMAN MINDSHAFTGAP lol the article is called:
Has There Ever Been a Surge? If so, Has it a Future?
the article seeks to expose the myth of the surge eg:

The United States has 162,000 troops in Iraq, compared to 132,000 in the middle of January. However, US troop levels in January were only slightly above the low point of the entire war and do not constitute a reasonable basis for comparison. The previous high point for US troop levels was 160,000 in November and December of 2005, so the current levels do not even constitute a new peak. Of course, the previous “surge” was sustained for only two months, whereas the current “surge” is expected to last longer. How much longer? The Army and Marine Corps can probably sustain current force levels for another 6 to 13 months. After that, force levels will decline rapidly unless there is a major increase in the number of involuntarily mobilized reservists. The previous peak for a six-month period was 148,000, from December 2004 through May 2005. The previous peak for a 13-month period was 146,900, from December 2004 through December 2005. Hence, current US troop levels are only eight to nine percent above the highest levels that were previously sustained for a meaningful amount of time. It is doubtful that this qualifies as a “surge.”

The article also points out that during the peak of 05 there were thousands more foreign troops working the provinces of Iraq, most of whom are long gone. Those that aren’t gone, are going.
There is much more of this article which I leave to others to click thru but the revelations in the first couple of pars are surely in need of a much wider airing.
There can be little doubt that as the summer fighting season draws to a close, Iraqi resistance have pulled back (eg al-Sadr’s forces, or the ‘Sunni of Anbar’) to gird their loins, and contemplate any changes to the political and military landscape.
We all have our pet theories about what the results of this contemplation probably followed by limited ‘consultation’ may bring. As some may be aware, I am of the opinion that parts of the resistance will play things things tighter with more co-operation between those militias allied to the urban poor and those forces led by traditional tribal leaders, many of whom held positions in the ‘old’ Iraqi military.
But in the end it doesn’t matter much. In all likelihood the one thing which most non-amerikan empire funded predictions share is that the level of violent opposition will ramp upwards.
I am dismissive of the amerikan empire funded predictions on the unscientific grounds that they have been wrong about everything else and since there is nothing to suggest that sufficient changes have been made to the motives or methodology of their predictions, they are unlikely to suddenly ‘get one right’.
So if the violence levels do ramp up next year, does the amerikan political machine (which was who the surge was designed for), have many options left?
There are only really two. They can fight back hard in the hope that eventually their luck will change, or the more likely one, ignore the fucker. After all it is happening half a world away and most people are sick of the subject – bored by it although they would never admit to it. Hell we see it in here, where many would rather devote themselves to arcane theories about how two or three thousand people were blown up 6 years ago than any difficult truths about the twenty or thirty thousand humans who have been killed in Iraq this summer.
That wasn’t always the case but since it can seem there are no new arguments/debates/discussions to be had on this subject, people are jaded. Personality attacks or pedantic sub-editing can be the most impassioned responses to any Iraq invasion related post which cannot be diverted into a stream of vitriol against Cheney/Bush/Clinton or their flunkies. All perfectly natural when we consider that the Iraqi outrage has been with us in one form or another since 1990, with the last 5 years being such a debacle of horror, shame and incompetence by amerika, that even the humanist oriented people which many MoA-ites are, can longer bear to follow the atrocity which their nation has inflicted upon the people of Iraq.
I suspect that most amerikans have tuned out as much as they can, since they discovered that they had indeed been fooled again. Which is exactly what the pols want.
The media has been slower to wind back on “the Iraq issue” – one human’s bloody hand to mouth struggle for existence being for him/her a “War” but in the land of it’s perpetrators is has become “an issue”. It may be the biggest issue on the political landscape at the moment but I’d reckon that by mid 2008, if allowed, it will be just another issue.
The media have always been able to use the cop-out of personal safety to avoid asking any hard questions within Iraq. That has enabled them to cherry-pick their stories to suit the media corporations’ priorities, but up until now they couldn’t find an excuse for avoiding the issue altogether. No matter that viewers have repeatedly demonstrated a preference for some famous bimbo’s brush with amerika the punisher of all equally, than “ragheads” killing and being killed. Blondes generally preferred – from hotel owners’ gran daughters to the suicidally broken hearted actor of late. Big black Bimbos with guns are also returning to to favoured status. After all, the tingle of fear mixed with unspoken racial superiority requires less contrived thinking in that circumstance. A lot less introspection than the increasingly rare, remote, and let’s face it, worryingly successful, Arab with a bomb. Success, even if it is the result of comparatively shorter oppression, does make the unspoken racial superiority part more difficult.
Anyway the network has the demographics, the thing is now that the surge has created this breakthrough, in the form of an outbreak of peace (yeah well listen – the truth is what we say it is and we say that things are better – never mind what your pinko-communistic or islamo-fascist inspired ‘statistics’ say)
Of course to pull this off, Iraqis will have to cut back on killing amerikan soldiers, and hopefully, reduce the deaths of others as well. Well at least publicly unavoidable deaths. That will take some doing, but with money and political advantages to be distributed amongst Iraqi power brokers, it may be possible to achieve a reduction in amerikan deaths. Especially if more mercenaries security contractors are used.
I think that both the political establishment and the media corporations are dreaming if they plan on reducing amerikan military casualties. They may get a decline over a short span while everyone grabs what they can from the hated invaders but the resistance knows that their long term interests can never be served by allowing Iraq to become ‘just another issue’ back in the land of the invader.
And that is without even considering the ‘oil law’ which has become the same sort of article of faith amongst Iraqis as it is amongst the oil corporations. The difference being Iraqis are determined that it not be passed, while oil companies are equally insistent that it will.
Normally one would have to back the Mobil/Exxon mob ahead of millions of raggedy assed Iraqis, but these are far from normal circumstances. Yes the oil corps and their fellow travelers do pour a mob of money into amerikan political campaigns but the purpose of that for most pols anyhow, is to win those campaigns. I seriously doubt that anyone believed to be close to the source of the inevitable wave of slaughter which would strike Iraq before during and after the politicking necessary to get the fucker through will be able to offset that ‘negative’ with any amount of oil dough.
At this stage it is probable that the amerikan pols on both sides of Tweedle St would happily support any meaningless piece of garbage which could be termed “the oil Law”. But by the same token Iraqis have watched amerika in action for some time now and they have come to believe that signing any agreement with the word ‘oil’ written into it, would at a later date, be re-interpreted by amerika as meaning all the oil in Iraq belonged to US oil corporations.
I can’t see any Iraqi pols, bar the totally venal such as Chalabi signing up, and even he is likely to baulk. As Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha discovered, it doesn’t matter who you are there are some things that no leader can get away with in the ‘new Iraq’.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2007 23:52 utc | 36

@b @25
So this prohibition on foreign ownership is an ad hoc thing, each sale is subject to approval? The article quotes a guy as saying that CNOOC could have done it if they had paid Chevron $500 million, but then there was going to be a hearing process. That the oil world is a tight knit place where boards of directors skew things towards keeping things in the family – that I believe… But it is certainly possible for foreigners to buy US companies. I looked up the second biggest supermarket chain in the area, SHaws, it was until recently owned by the British, plus the biggest Stop and Shop is held by Ahold. The argument that foreigners are “forced” to buy crappy low yield treasuries or dodgy subprime confabulations because they are not allowed to buy real companies is flimsy. These supermarkets are cash cows… that is why KKR held Stop and Shop for a while, to use it to make the payments on its other deals

Posted by: boxcar mike | Sep 17 2007 0:13 utc | 37

debs @ 36
a solid post my friend

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 0:51 utc | 38

Oh, I love the Dubai Ports thing. DP was buying the port services arm of P&O. Who is P&O?
The London based Penisular and Orient Steam Navigation Co., founded in the 1840’s, carried Kipling to India, engaged in the Tea and Opium trade, and gave us the word POSH – ticket agents’ shorthand for “Port Out-Starboard Home” ie, the shaded side of the ship. They were founding members of Lloyds Insurance.
They operated something like 50 marine container terminals world wide including, I think, 5 on the US east and south coasts. P&O North America had only one Pacific Coast terminal, at Vancouver (28 hours closer to Asia than Long Beach).
The Atlantic trade growth figures pale in comparison to Pacific stats. When US Congress critters got in a knot about “Arabs controlling America’s ports”, Dubai was only too happy to have an excuse to lope the US ports out of the deal. The US eastern ports weren’t growing significantly, they were mafia controlled, etc. The entire P&O transaction was for about $5.4 billion – now less the US properties.
RECAP: during the entire Congressional kerfuwell, DP off-loaded unwanted east coast ports while quietly buying $3.5 billion of downtown Manhatten real estate. And they kept Vancouver.

Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | Sep 17 2007 1:21 utc | 39

another piece of that al jazeera video rpt on foreign fighters i posted on in the previous open thread
Islamist opposition chief denies al Jazeera report from Somalia

ASMARA, Eritrea Sep 16 (Garowe Online) – A leading Somali Islamist official who was recently elected to head an opposition movement based in Eritrea has dismissed a critical video report aired by Al Jazeera TV last week as propaganda.
Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, executive chairman of the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia, said in the Eritrean capital Asmara on Sunday that the Al Jazeera report is a “complete fabrication.”
“The Islamic Courts do not need foreign fighters for we have enough Somali fighters,” Sheikh Sharif said, referring to video images of masked non-Somali fighters somewhere in the jungles of southern Somalia.
The Al Jazeera report showed masked gunmen, including foreign fighters, target practicing their assault rifles and detonating landmines.

there is an embed of a segment of the video rpt not in the two other excerpts which i linked to previously. a related article in that post stated

The report depicted the gunmen target practicing on caricatures of Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf, Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi and even U.S. President George W. Bush.

this new video shows those “caricatures” — a sheet of 8 1/2 by 11 paper ripped out of a spiral notepad w/ those family names scribbled, in english btw, above a bullseye sketch of three concentric labeled, in english again, 10, 11, and 12, secured to the top of four posts scattered in a clearing. amusingly, one of the individuals is shown firing a shoulder-launched weapon at one of those posts for target practice.
since every other speaker in the video clips i’ve seen so far does not speak english outside of “abu mansoor al-amriki,” we can probably assume that he is the one who drew up those “caricatures” for target practice.
could this guy be associated w/ al jazeera, staging some propaganda for the cameras? it happened in the niger delta when a kenyan (?) reporter paid some youths to pose as militants & created a fake rpt out of it which made it all the way to cnn before it was exposed.
why would any somalis need a u.s. citizen to teach them how to handle & fire weapons or wage battle? the targets, i’d say, we can rule out as being created strictly for the camera. at most, i see less than 12 “insurgents” at any one time. something very fishy about this entire report.

Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 4:05 utc | 40

sorry – “why would any non-somalis” who come to the aid of the insurgency need a u.s. citizen to teach them how to handle & …”
reminds me of the story of ali mohamed

Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 4:09 utc | 41

Rick,
you are right, I should be more specific – as in “we” I mean the USA and its citizens, of which I am one, although I leve abroad.
And “America” has become – for better or worse – the accepted abbreviation for the “United States of America” in most political discourse. Just like Holland is actually only one province of the Netherlands.
“Mexico”, “Canada”, “Central/Latin America” are used to describe the non-US components.
I have managed to offend many Canadians with my usage.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 17 2007 6:00 utc | 42

State Dept. Convoy Attacked in Baghdad, Sparking a Shootout
The “Shootout” was entirely one-sided. Mercinaries freaked out by an IED and did “spray and pray” on civilians …

A U.S. State Department motorcade came under attack in Baghdad on Sunday, prompting security contractors guarding the convoy to open fire in the streets. At least nine civilians were killed, according to Iraqi officials.
The shootout occurred in the downtown neighborhood of Mansour at midday after an explosion detonated near the convoy, police said. In response, the security contractors “escalated the force to defend themselves,” a U.S. Embassy official in Baghdad said.
Iraqi officials alleged that the response by the security company, which was not named, involved excessive force and killed innocent civilians.

“The security company contractors opened fire randomly on the civilians,” he said. “We consider this act a crime.”

A Washington Post employee in the area at the time of the shooting witnessed security company helicopters firing into the streets near Nisoor Square in Mansour. Witnesses said they saw dead and wounded people on the pavement.

Posted by: b | Sep 17 2007 7:30 utc | 43

On the question of foreigners buying domestic assets –
1) w/in the month China announced that since it wasn’t too welcome to buy up more xAm. assets, it would take its bucks & head to Europe. Germany (Merkel) told them to shove it that Germany wasn’t for sale. England & Italy are so bankrupt they were forced to accede.
2) As far as America goes, Unfortunately most assets have been sold already. How is this for starters for a list of Foreign Ownership of xUS Industries:
Sound recording: 97%
Commodity Contracts Dealing 79%
Motion Pic. & Sound Recording 75%
Metal Ore Mining 65%
Motion pic & video 64%
Wineries & distilleries 64%
Database, directory, etc. 63%
Book Publishers 63%
Or if that’s not offensive enough, try this:
From 07/03/1978 to 09/04/2007, the Average amount of US companies sold to foreign acquirors PER DAY as reported is $176,497,824.
More Details Here.

Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2007 7:45 utc | 44

If this is true then the Maliki government is through. Dawa party considers leaving the UIA team Shiite alliance.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 17 2007 9:11 utc | 45

This is Noteworthy. One of David Rockefeller’s chief advisers/minions, Zbig, has said something helpful.
In an article in the Foreign Policy publication, Brzezinki wrote: “Given that the Middle East is currently the central challenge facing America, Professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have rendered a public service by initiating a much needed public debate on the role of the ‘Israel lobby’ in the shaping of US foreign policy.” Walt and Mearsheimer responded by thanking Brzezinksi.link

Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2007 9:37 utc | 46

the “shootout” in 43: According to BBC the company involved was Blackwater.
@anna 45 – I don’t get it – if Dawa leaves while Maliki is the party head what’s up with his position?

Posted by: b | Sep 17 2007 11:54 utc | 47

Abbas Threatens to Boycott November “Peace” Conference; Condi Due in Jerusalem Today

Palestinian authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas will not attend Washington’s regional peace summit in November unless Israel agrees to a reach an agreement with the Palestinians there, Abbas’ associates told Haaretz Sunday, adding the summit could “prove dangerous”. With U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expected to arrive in Jerusalem Monday, the Saudis also submitted some preconditions for their attendance.
The Palestinian sources were reacting to Olmert’s statement that afternoon that Israel and the Palestinians will not present an Agreement of Principles on final status issues at the summit, but issue a joint declaration instead. “We are formulating a joint declaration to headline the regional meeting, should it take place,” Olmert told ministers from his party, Kadima, in Jerusalem.
“If Olmert says there’ll just be a declaration, it’s not worth going to this meeting in Washington,” said Nimr Hamad, an adviser to Abbas. In an unusual move, the chairman’s office issued a press release reacting to Olmert’s statement.

Is he perhaps realizing that he might have been had?

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 13:41 utc | 48

Baradei Slams Threats of Strike Against Iran

Saying only the U.N. Security Council could authorize the use of force,
ElBaradei urged the world to remember Iraq before considering any similar
action against Tehran.
“There are rules on how to use force, and I would hope that everybody would have gotten the lesson after the Iraq situation, where 70,000 innocent civilians have lost their lives on the suspicion that a country has nuclear weapons,” ElBaradei told reporters.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 13:44 utc | 49

The shock doctrine at work..

Fisk documents the dismantling of Iraqi culture – Klein exposes the history behind the destruction.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 14:14 utc | 50

You seriously want to hear this interview on todays Democracy Now: The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 14:16 utc | 51

@47
US security firm Blackwater banned from Iraq
Iraqi Brigadier-General, Abdul-Karim Khalaf, confirmed that a mortar had landed close to the convoy and said the US firm had ‘opened fire randomly at citizens’.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has strongly condemned the company’s actions and denounced what he called the criminal response of the US contractors.
And today Iraqi Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani issued an order to cancel Blackwater’s licence and prohibit the company from operating anywhere in Iraq.

PS. By the way, since I’m mainly a lurker, THANKS b and all the MoAers for providing so much info and so much passion for justice in this World that I too can share whith you. I cosider all of you as my friends and comrades to the struggle of humanity to save whatever can be saved from the barbaric capitalist system that today dominates the World.

Posted by: PaulM | Sep 17 2007 14:37 utc | 52

Walter Pincus, via TPM:

A week ago today, Gen. David H. Petraeus started his rounds on Capitol Hill, reporting that security in Iraq was improving to the point that a small number of troops could begin coming home by year’s end.
But 10 days ago, his commanders in Baghdad began advertising for private contractors to work in combat-supply warehouses on U.S. bases throughout Iraq because half the soldiers who had been working in the warehouses were needed for patrols, combat and protection of U.S. forces.
“With the increased insurgent activity, unit supply personnel must continue to pull force protection along with convoy escort and patrol duties,” according to a statement of work that accompanied the Sept. 7 request for bidders from Multi-National Force-Iraq.

Is someone trying to declare “success” and withdraw? If it gets the president’s signature on an order to retreat, call it whatever they want. Until then, hold his petulant, panicky, deceitful head in the fire.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 15:18 utc | 53

This Blackwater story is big. The US relies on its mercenaries. If their license remains revoked and they are kicked out, then this is the beginning of the end. It sets a precedent for all other mercenaries. And they’ll go with a wimper, too.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 17 2007 15:25 utc | 54

@PaulM
Welcome… thanks for your valued contribution. Now that you’ve posted once, please post again!

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:25 utc | 55

North Korea Talks Delayed; No Future Date Set

“China officially notified us this afternoon that it has become difficult for the six-party talks to be held on Sept. 19,” the ministry said, referring to the talks also involving the United States, China, Russia, Japan and the two Koreas.
The ministry gave no reason for the delay.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:29 utc | 56

Much as Blackwater is deplorable, the fact that it is the Interior Ministry banning Blackwater makes one suspect that this action is part of something greater.
Didn’t some study group in US just recommend that the Interior Ministry be disbanded, because it was a dangerous arm of Shia militia and otherwise dysfunctional?
Procedural problems with enforcing a Blackwater ban:

However, it’s unclear how the Interior Ministry would expel Blackwater. Unlike other private U.S. security firms in Iraq, as of May, Blackwater hadn’t registered with the Iraqi government to operate in Iraq. The Coalition Provisional Authority — the now-defunct occupational government — issued a decree in 2004 immunizing security contractors from Iraqi prosecution and placing their operations under the jurisdiction of U.S. authorities.

Blackwater – one of many. Numbers.

Blackwater, one of many security firms safeguarding U.S. personnel in Iraq, has an estimated 1,000 employees operating in the country, and Iraq-related contracts with the State Department worth over $100 million. Official estimates place between 20,000 and 30,000 private security contractors in Iraq — the equivalent of about six U.S. Army brigades.

And where else?

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 15:35 utc | 58

malooga
just quickly covered some material in french & italian on this & it is the iraq ‘govt’ which is revoking the license. what does that mean. i’d suggest fuck all. the boys will be out shooting tommorrow night.
their enterprise is so locked in i doubt malarky malaki has the power to revoke anything

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 15:38 utc | 59

A little more Naomi Klein: She answers questions posed to her on an open thread at the Guardian here.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:51 utc | 60

Non-reported story: The Gradual Ethnic Cleansing of Kirkuk

“The attacks on our community have worsened since February 2007. We are being forced to leave the city almost empty-handed and the government isn’t taking any action to support us,” said Ali Akram Mahmoud, a spokesperson for Kirkuk’s Arabs Association (KAA), formed in 2003 with the aim of safeguarding the rights of Arabs who had settled in the city.
“The number of [Arab] families fleeing the city has increased by 20 percent on previous years. Their flight will seriously affect the upcoming referendum in which Kurds will have a majority not because of their numbers but because, with guns in their hands, they will have forced all Arabs to flee the city. It is absolutely unfair,” he said.
The December 2007 Kirkuk status referendum is due to decide whether the city becomes part of the Iraqi Kurdistan region.
A local Iraq Red Crescent senior official, who prefers anonymity for security reasons, said since June 2007 at least 2,000 Arab families had fled Kirkuk. “Hundreds of families are fleeing the city without their belongings.” They had been forced to search for displacement camps and many had joined the nearly one million displaced families in southern governorates, whilst others were staying on roadsides or in poor areas, he said.
In a local police station IRIN witnessed dozens of families begging for help from police after being forced from their homes by Kurdish militias. They were all told the same thing – that they could not be given individual protection and that they would be best advised to find more secure accommodation in southern Iraq.
The city, a multi-ethnic mix of Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians, Turkomans and Armenians, has plenty of oil, but may not have much time left to avoid being dragged into sectarian bloodshed.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 15:56 utc | 61

Goddamn it! Compared To What…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 15:58 utc | 62

Didn’t some study group in US just recommend that the Interior Ministry be disbanded, because it was a dangerous arm of Shia militia and otherwise dysfunctional?
small coke, maliki doesn’t like the US funding sunni militias. while the contractors were ok by him as long as the US was supporting the government, once that support falls away (it has) he must know it will be directed against him. the prospect of thousands of contracters representing oil companies permanently installed in iraq can only be seem as threatening. i suspect this going to be an ongoing battle for as the troops #’s go down (in the run up to our election) im sure the plan involves replacing them w/an escalation of private ones.

Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2007 16:12 utc | 63

Just posted two posts on the old OT (#64) when I meant to post them here… sorry!

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 16:20 utc | 64

oh yeah, Uncle. . .
Les McCann!

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 16:28 utc | 65

annie – So Blackwater ban would be one more move in the power struggle between Maliki and US. and who?
US somehow persuades Sadr and his militia, part of Maliki’s security force, to stand down. Maliki-Interior respond w/ threat to US personnel of losing their Blackwater bodyguards?

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 16:34 utc | 66

Syria Comment has a first-hand report from the ground in Deir Ez-Zor, the location the Israelis apparently hit.

Several days ago, after the attack on Syria’s “nuclear program”, I spoke to western oil company officials in Deir Ez Zor. One technician told me they routinely monitor radiation as part of the refining process. They registered no heightened levels of nuclear residue in the area as there would have been if the Israelis had hit a North Korean atomic stockpile. Operations and technical foremen put it this way: “The nuclear claims against Syria are pure bullsh*t.”
.
The Syrian smoking gun is the complete lack of any mushroom cloud.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 16:38 utc | 67

sorry. that was in response to bea, 67

Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2007 17:14 utc | 70

“Just what we need, 100,000 unemployed mercenaries. I hear the Post Office is hiring.”
“If we don’t fight Blackwater over there, we’ll have to fight them here!”
Ha.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 17:26 utc | 71

“If we don’t fight Blackwater over there, we’ll have to fight them here!”
The chickens never fail to come home and roost.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 17 2007 17:32 utc | 72

annie –
Just speculating on a US nod, or something, to Sadr. Sadr would not drop support for Maliki govt FOR the US. But if he saw a disconnect from Maliki govt as being in his and his supporters’ interest, it might encourage him to separate his force from Maliki. US and Sadr relations appear to have become relatively less confrontational in recent weeks.
No idea who was responsible for explosion.
Iraqi politics and power is far too complex for me to begin to understand. My point, chiefly, was precisely this. And what you say: That Interior’s move against Blackwater probably has less to do with the immediate incident and much more to do with the semi-concealed Baghdad power struggle underway, which it appears that some US interests are pressing hard at the moment.
In re the cheney/cia nexus you mention, one can’t help wondering whether Iraqis might have intel about “security force” activities along the Iran border, too.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 17:38 utc | 73

“If we don’t fight Blackwater over there, we’ll have to fight them here!”
Ha! The sad legacy of war. At least DU has left them with low sperm counts.
Bea, watch out or you’ll lose your tenure.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 17 2007 17:38 utc | 74

Hello friends
I am early I know but am not ‘around’ much in these times, so here is a small reminder of cultural cross-pollination:
O Tannenbaum
Every good wish to you and to all in your care

Posted by: n/a | Sep 17 2007 18:58 utc | 75

It gets murkier – the scuffle over Blackwater.
According to commentor at FDL:

Blackwater serves as the personal security detail for Prime Minister Maliki and other top officials in the Government.
It has been Blackwater alone that has saved the Prime Minister and other top officials from repeated assassination attempts.

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 19:41 utc | 76

four u.s. army psyop documents over at secrecynews
Psychological Operations Test Military Aptitude

Psychological operations (PSYOP) — military programs that seek to influence the attitudes and shape the behavior of a target audience — have the potential to increase the effectiveness of the armed forces they support while minimizing violent conflict. But the U.S. military is not notably good at conducting such programs.
To achieve their objective, PSYOP practitioners should ideally have a clear understanding of the values and thought processes of their audience (as well as their own), and they should have a credible and compelling message to deliver. These have often been lacking.
According to a 2004 Army evaluation of PSYOP activities during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, “it is clear that on the whole, PSYOP produced much less than expected and perhaps less than claimed.”
Two newly disclosed Army publications provide insight into Army PSYOP planning and procedures.

Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 19:57 utc | 77

we will witness
but i am absolutely certain – nothing will happen to these murdering mercenaries. not a thing. nothing at all. from katrina we learnt that blackwater & killers like them will be used against the american people – in time
tho it has the potential, as malooga points out, to be explosive – i imagine in a few days a deal will be done & we will hear no more of it until their next massacre of innocents

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2007 20:21 utc | 78

My guess is that many amerikans are seeing Maliki flex his political skills for the first time. In the past he has come across to non-Iraqis as an almost craven puppet of the last amerikan who pulled his strings. Fact is though he needs considerably more skill than that to keep his job in the shark infested tank he has chosen to enter.
Blackwater did a stupid unconscionable and craven act by spraying the Baghdadis with their arrogant lead. In other times it would have been more politic for Maliki to have made sure that apologies, compensation, and political favours went to the clans of the casualties, while coming down on Blackwater as hard as he could. But the fragmentation of his ‘alliance’ means he must go over the heads of his fellow fish tank inhabitants of the green zone and appeal directly to Iraqis.
It is a little known fact that mercenaries such as Blackwater employees don’t get the free pass that amerikan troops get. The so-called ‘contractors’ can be brought to account under Iraqi law. Of course doing so is no easy thing as they live in heavily protected compounds that would take a lot of ‘storming’.
So Maliki has made an ‘ambit claim’ – an opening demand that Blackwater and all employees git the hell outta Dodge. Actually all employees being thrown out is less certain than Blackwater itself. Maliki wants to look good at home while putting sufficient pressure on the corporation’s shareholders to ensure he does get a bunch of ‘contractors’ to string up. Hopefully without having to storm any citadels.
1/ Ideally (for Maliki) after some to-ing and fro-ing a few sorry assed non-amerikan contractors will be thrown to the wolves. I don’t know what the percentages are but a mob of the mercenaries come from non-amerikan backgrounds. Many Pacific Island and Maori ex-soldiers are pulling a couple of Blackwater tours to pay out the mortgage. (stupid fuckers, maybe this will get them thinking – nothing else has been successful).
However Iraqis won’t be ecstatic if there are no amerikan scapegoats and while the other Blackwater employees might go along with ‘clearing out the deadwood’ (suspected ‘give-ups’ or cowards – remember ‘Apocalypto’ every hunting party has a bloke in it that isn’t ‘one of the boys’), but they won’t like the precedent and may blow the scam by exposing the fact that the scapegoats are the incorrect parties.
2/ So Maliki gets the actual perps without too much difficulty. If he gets only the non-amerikan ones he won’t placate the locals, if he gets amerikans as well the Faux pops will have a field day.
3/Maliki has to send his forces in to get the murderers. Not very likely. Not a useful scenario for any of the primary invasion ‘stakeholders’. The corporate investors take a hiding on their bottom line, although undoubtedly a grateful Washington will eventually ‘see them right’. That won’t fix the publicity problem however. Mercenaries are meant to be the elephant that no one talks about – ever.
What do the US forces do if regular Iraqi forces or more likely Interior ministry troops do attack the Blackwater compounds? Defend Blackwater and the whole shitstorm is ON but leave it be and Faux pops have a fielday of sand-n….r baiting not seen since 91201. The Fox lies after the people of Fallujah visited a bit of summary justice on Blackwater employees give an indication of what will happen.
Plus the BushCo side along with any rethugs unrelistic enough to have ambitions for 2008 want to leave Fallujah right down the bottom of that old ‘memory hole’. Fallujah won’t be deemed a subject for big media discussion for at least another 20 years. I’d reckon most ameriikans know that this, the foulest of many foul war crimes in Iraq, did occur but they prefer not to think about it. This is where amerikan responses be they political, miltary or media must tread very carefully.
4/Blackwater are tossed out of Iraq on their ass. This sounds bad but may be ‘do-able’. If it is just the corporation – the hired killers stay on under new management. Of course CheneyCorp shareholders will be most unhappy at this turn of events but there must still be some corners of the US treasury thus far unlooted – they are compensated handsomely, however since they will never stop complaining about the injustice of it all, most amerikans will never twig to the scam. I can’t see this sitting well with Iraqis who are unlikely to see any corporation as being a comparable entity to humans. They will want to put a bunch of faces to the outrage.
5/Maliki backs down after getting record compensation for every Iraqi on the streets of Baghdad yesterday, and their mothers in law. This is by far the most attractive option for amerika but I doubt Iraqis will buy it, especially if women and children were killed.
So you’d have to think that a variation on 1 or 2 with a heap of dollars will be the most likely eventual outcome.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 17 2007 22:00 utc | 79

coha: The Oil Race is On: China Signs Multi-Billion Dollar Oil Contract with Venezuela, But India Also Wants Latin American Oil

It is no revelation to say that India, as it begins to bloom as a global power, is adopting a China-like posture in its search for new oil suppliers. New Delhi’s quest for energy supplies, as well as other extracted resources, has brought the Asian powerhouse to the Western Hemisphere, and to Washington’s attention. India is befriending potential oil suppliers, be it Mexico or Venezuela, Cuba or Canada. Even more interesting are New Delhi’s approaches to Cuba regarding the island’s possible oil reserves. It seems clear that India is hungry for guaranteed oil sources in order to maintain its booming economy’s momentum and its growing geopolitical influence, and in Latin America it is finding these potential suppliers and new friends.
On July 2nd, the Financial Express published an article predicting that the Indian government will send the Indian Navy to fly the flag throughout the hemisphere in oil-rich zones, especially locations where the state-owned oil company, ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL), has invested in oil and gas exploration. Pranab Mukherjee, external affairs minister, said that maritime diplomacy has become an essential component of India’s overseas foreign policy and that it must fulfill its necessities outside the immediate geographical area. “We have to look at the investments ONGC Videsh is making in energy rich areas such as Sakhalin, Sudan, Nigeria and Venezuela and extend our maritime interests through maritime diplomacy,” Mukherjee said.

Posted by: b real | Sep 17 2007 22:24 utc | 80

@ r’giap – Thank you for #68.

Posted by: beq | Sep 17 2007 22:33 utc | 81

Blackwater – Time says it has the incident report that USgovt filed. Report mentions attack on convoy by small arms, no mention of IED. Blackwater responded with military discipline. Armed insurgents, not civilians. That’s the report.
Time acknowledges that witnesses reported an explosion starting the melee. Also, Time reports “Iraqi police and armed personnel” in “Iraqi national guard vehicles” blocking the way of another convoy coming to rescue the first Blackwater convoy.
Rice says US will investigate. Waxman says he will investigate too.
According to “a senior Iraqi official contacted by TIME, as far as the license being permanently revoked, “it’s not a done deal yet.”
Sounds like some Interior forces faced down some Blackwater forces. Who knows what about. Or how long the whole incident lasted. How nearby is all this backup – 2nd (Blackwater or USmil?) convoy, Iraqi Interior forces, “American” helicopter?

Posted by: small coke | Sep 17 2007 22:53 utc | 82

Sounds like some Interior forces faced down some Blackwater forces. Who knows what about. Or how long the whole incident lasted. How nearby is all this backup – 2nd (Blackwater or USmil?) convoy, Iraqi Interior forces, “American” helicopter?
Yeah, sound like a snapshot right out of R J Hillhouse’s excellent and timely book entitled: OUTSOURCED. Of which I highly recommend. Also, you may want to see what she has to say on all this above –i.e first link–. Looks like this is not the first time the issue of a license has come up:

Blackwater said that it obtained a one-year license in 2005 but that shifting Iraqi government policy has impeded its attempts to renew.

Waxman says he will investigate too.
hahaha..yeah right.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2007 23:14 utc | 83

The so-called ‘contractors’ can be brought to account under Iraqi law.
i don’t think this is correct debs,
Order 17 gives all foreign personnel in the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority immunity from “local criminal, civil and administrative jurisdiction and from any form of arrest or detention other than by persons acting on behalf of their parent states.”
small coke..In re the cheney/cia nexus you mention, one can’t help wondering whether Iraqis might have intel about “security force” activities along the Iran border, too. as far as i know the cia is still in charge of the iraqi intellegence, spy etc under shahwani. of course they still have their own which probably makes for some conflict. i think a schism occurred when the cia/shahwani refused to turn over the info they had fearing it would get to tehran. so much for sovereignty .
shadow war C&L video of blackwater author Jeremy Scahill

Posted by: annie | Sep 18 2007 0:12 utc | 84

U.S. signs accord with Jordan backing its nuclear development
Now, you might think that this is crazy, and it is on many levels, but here’s the thing: It’s like the 55 MPH speed limit, whereby everyone is guilty. If Jordan falls, they now have a reason to invade and overthrow the government — to keep the nukes out of the hands of terrorists.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 18 2007 0:53 utc | 85

& here the buffoon kouchner barks

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 18 2007 1:28 utc | 86

Tasers are the new black. University of Florida student gets tasered while police try to restrain him for “disrupting a public event” at an open mic when he brazenly began dogging John Kerry about the state of the 2004 election, Bush’s potential impeachment, and Kerry’s affiliation with the Skull & Bones Society. Video of the incident: University of Florida Student tasered at John Kerry Speech Echoes from this incident a little less than year ago. Teach our kids to fear authority and more importantly not to ask questions of our elite on a campus setting.
Funny how, Naomi Kline’s new book, ‘The Shock Doctrine’ which is about how CIA MKULTRA shock treatments match the disaster economics that the US government has been carrying out wherever possible, including imploded Iraq and even the now imploded US.
Shock disorients and erases memory and makes the subject vulnerable to unwanted changes. This works on a person (micro) or on a country (macro), like Iraq. Or a city, like New Orleans. Or all of the US after the inside job of 9/11.
as part of the reviewing and extracting of naomi kleins new book on the guardian they have provided a good resource of material to do with development of mind control and abuse techniques
Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, July 1963.
Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual, 1983.
CIA Memo on Project Artichoke, January 31, 1975
“Sensory Deprivation: Effects upon the Functioning Human in Space Systems”, 1960.
“The Depatterning Treatment of Schizophrenia”, 1962.
Letters Between Donald Hebb and the Canadian Defence Research Board, 1952-1953
and so on, and so on
Personally, I think Kerry was an absolute pussy for not trying to put a stop to it. The kid was asking a freaking question. Sure, he was irate, but since when is it illegal to be irate?
This is pretty typical of modern law enforcement. They are unable to maintain order because they have no respect for the citizens they’re supposedly sworn to protect. They barely see civilians as humans, which is why they will use a lethal weapon such as a taser on a fellow human being not to protect themselves or the public, but to force compliance via pain, because it’s more convenient than doing their job.
The thing to remember is that tasers are supposedly an alternative to deadly force. Any cop who uses a taser in order to enforce compliance should be fired and given a jail term at the very least.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 18 2007 1:57 utc | 87

Girls! Music! Palestine!
A Boston journalist reports on her experience teaching music to young girls in the West Bank this summer. A very moving piece.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 18 2007 2:43 utc | 88

the kid was feeling righteous in exposing a hypocrite & being persecuted by the man for it, while the cops were exercising their own idea of justice in a nation of laws, not people. if police-state tactics like this continue or even increase on campuses, w/ the most cherised of freedoms taking the brunt of it, then it won’t be long before students really start getting radicalized. far from kowtowing people, excessive responses like this only spread indignation among those who actually hold the high moral ground & encourage more meaningful acts of resistance.
hard to make out if the guy actually was tazered, but it was excessive to say the least. poor quality as the video is, the cops will be regretting this one, as their trial is taking place in the public sphere.

Posted by: b real | Sep 18 2007 3:34 utc | 89

Well, here’s what NBC affiliate NBC6 has to say: Police Use Taser On UF Student During Kerry Speech.
Looks like He was tasered (which is supposed to be something used in place of shooting someone). If it weren’t for the taser, would they have shot him?
You know, sad thing is, Kerry was in a position to exercise some leadership here. The kid was dragged away because he was perceived as being disrespectful to Kerry. If Kerry had stepped away from the lectern, and walked over to where the cops were hog-tying and tasering this kid and…ahh, fuck it. And fuck Voltaire too.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 18 2007 4:20 utc | 90

@Annie I’m going on what the BBC said last night. If you read that part of the provisional authority agreement you will notice it refers to employees of the provisional authority , the contractors aren’t authority employees and neither are they covered under the deal for military service people of the occupying forces. Reading it the way you intend would mean if you think about it, that all foreigners are exempt from Iraqi civil and criminal law which is plainly incorrect.
The contractors are just as criminally liable as any other non-military or non authority employee. Condi Rice appears to agree that these guys are liable.
Incidentally the Beeb reported eyewitness accounts of an IED followed by uncontrolled spraying of lead into the crowd killing and maiming civilians. Of course the amerikan state department won’t talk about that if it doesn’t have to since ied’s aren’t meant to go off in Baghdad since the surge.
This BBC updated report has changed ied to mortar and asserts:

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has telephoned Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki about the incident.
The two have agreed to investigate and hold any wrongdoers accountable, according to Mr Maliki’s spokesman.
All Blackwater personnel have been told to leave Iraq immediately, with the exception of the men involved in the incident.
They will have to remain in the country and stand trial, the Iraqi interior ministry said.
The convoy carrying officials from the US State Department came under attack at about 1230 local time on Sunday as it passed through Nisoor Square in the predominantly Sunni neighbourhood of Mansour.
The Blackwater security guards “opened fire randomly at citizens” after mortars landed near their vehicles, killing eight people and wounding 13 others, interior ministry officials said.
Most of the dead and wounded were bystanders, the officials added. One of those killed was a policeman. . . .
. . . The firm’s personnel have no combat immunity under international law if they engage in hostilities. . .

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 18 2007 5:05 utc | 91

Probably shouldn’t even pass this along, but my local (TV)news said that “security contractors from the Blackwater group are being kicked out of Iraq for firing on civilians”. No follow up, of course.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 6:22 utc | 92

uhhhh…Uncle $cam…

Posted by: jj | Sep 18 2007 6:26 utc | 93

Ahh, guess they got it from the the local fishwrap:
BAGHDAD — The Iraqi government announced Monday that it was ordering Blackwater USA, the security firm that protects U.S. diplomats, to leave the country after what it said was the fatal shooting of eight Iraqi civilians following a car bomb attack against a State Department convoy.
The order by the Interior Ministry, if carried out, would deal a severe blow to U.S. government operations in Iraq by stripping diplomats, engineers, reconstruction officials and others of their security protection…..

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 6:27 utc | 94

@91 – The Blackwater security guards “opened fire randomly at citizens” after mortars landed near their vehicles, killing eight people and wounding 13 others, interior ministry officials said.
Artful formulation – who killed the Iraqis, the mortar or Blackwater?
The NYT report also tries to seed doubt about that:

American officials stopped short of saying whether the Blackwater guards in the diplomatic motorcade had caused any of the deaths. Bombs were going off in the area at the time, and shots were fired at the convoy, American officials said.

Sure, a mortar and after that 20 minutes of spraying including from two helos. The mortar must have killed them all.

Posted by: b | Sep 18 2007 6:39 utc | 95

Interesting who is coming out against war on Iran

Despite the report of continued Iranian involvement in Iraq, a former top U.S. Middle East commander, retired Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, emphasized in a speech yesterday the need to “contain” the Iranian regime — even if it becomes a nuclear-armed state — and stressed that war with Iran should be considered a last resort.
“I believe that we can contain Iran,” Abizaid said in a talk at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He said the United States and other countries must vigorously press Tehran to “cease and desist” from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Still, he said, “There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran,” adding: “Iran is not a suicide nation. . . . I don’t believe the Iranians intend to attack us with nuclear weapons. We have the power to deter Iran should it become nuclear.”

Posted by: b | Sep 18 2007 7:41 utc | 96

James Carroll interview; religious fundamentalism, exceptionalism, and the military.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 18 2007 9:08 utc | 97

The crazyiness of U.S. imigration: Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why

Nalini Ghuman, an up-and-coming musicologist and expert on the British composer Edward Elgar, was stopped at the San Francisco airport in August last year and, without explanation, told that she was no longer allowed to enter the United States

But the door has remained closed to Ms. Ghuman, an assistant professor at Mills College in Oakland, Calif., who is British and who had lived, studied and worked in this country for 10 years before her abrupt exclusion.

After a year of letters and inquiries, Ms. Ghuman and her Mills College lawyer have been unable to find out why her residency visa was suddenly revoked, or whether she was on some security watch list. Nor does she know whether her application for a new visa, pending since last October, is being stymied by the shadow of the same unspecified problem or mistake.

Posted by: b | Sep 18 2007 9:14 utc | 98

They will have to remain in the country and stand trial, the Iraqi interior ministry said.
debs, thanks. i didn’t realize that.
anna missed #97, good interview

Posted by: annie | Sep 18 2007 11:40 utc | 99

Asia Times reports on the Blackwater imbroglio:

As private-sector employees, security contractors are not subject to military court-martial, but under a 2004 decree of the Coalition Provisional Authority, they cannot be tried by the Iraqi justice system, either. As of yet, no US contractors have been convicted for killing Iraqi civilians.
The perception among Iraqis that US security contractors can act with impunity has engendered widespread resentment, and led the Iraqi government to vow on Monday that the perpetrators of Sunday’s deaths in Baghdad will be tried in Iraqi courts.
The State Department’s pledge of a thorough investigation into the deaths appeared designed to head off this same possibility by keeping judgment of the contractors in US hands.

and

But Prattap Chatterjee of CorpWatch told Inter Press Service that even if Blackwater were banned from operating in Iraq, most of its employees could transfer to similar private security firms and the overall security situation for the US would not change much.
“It’s hard to police an itinerant group of mobile warriors,” Chatterjee said. “Even if Blackwater itself were banned from operating in Iraq, it’s likely that its contractors could find work at [comparable firms like] Aegis or Triple Canopy.”

Posted by: Bea | Sep 18 2007 11:58 utc | 100