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September 26, 2007
OT 07-68
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Does anyone have any idea what nefarious scheme could prompt the United States Forest Service Purchases 700 TASER X26 Electronic Control Devices? Posted by: Juannie | Sep 26 2007 11:33 utc | 1 surely they are to be used to keep better than average bears away from pickanik baskets. Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 26 2007 11:49 utc | 2 Overly opinionated trees. Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 11:55 utc | 3 would one of those things subdue a bear? is a bear’s nervous system more robust than that of a talking monkey squatting on public lands because there’s no where else to go? Posted by: jcairo | Sep 26 2007 12:45 utc | 4 well these guys spend a lot, a lot of time alone – & well trees are not much fun – so a guy’s gotta get himself a little excitation Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 26 2007 13:40 utc | 6 for those who did not grow up watching cartoons in the US, you might have missed the meaning of my smarter than the average bear remark. I was of course referring to Yogi Bear Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 26 2007 14:06 utc | 7 obviously the tasers are to be used against environmentalists, increasingly being tarred, by the imperial worldview, as terra-ists who threaten national interests. and it’ll likely up the monkeywrenching factor, as direct action replaces non-violent confrontation. Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2007 14:38 utc | 8 Taser represents just what is wrong with American technology in the 21st century. Instead of being a non-lethal alternative to a gun, in which case it would hardly ever be used, it is being used as a means of delivering casual brutal punishment. And it’s low-tech. A cattle prod with darts and wires that’s cheap to manufacture. The company is making a killing sales wise because the way it is sold relies on corrupt political practices, not even proper marketing. And every now and then it manages to kill people by shocking them into heart failure. The wires gives just enough distance to give the illusion that the attack is not direct and personal. Posted by: YY | Sep 26 2007 14:47 utc | 9 …against the latest global threat, stupid — “tree-a-ists!” Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 14:47 utc | 10 Switching gears…Watch Naomi Klein take Greenspan to task, and hear him become pretty evasive: Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 14:50 utc | 11 Perhaps the tasers are for the Posted by: ww | Sep 26 2007 15:36 utc | 12 i posted something back when the nato fleet circumnavigating africa was pulling into south africa, but somehow missed this story
some pix of the exercises at the sa navy site
Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2007 15:57 utc | 13 I like the humor here but to my mind stunning bears, even if it worked, does not account for the purchase. Bears or wild animals have not been a particular problem. I have a good friend who works for the forest service and spends about half of his summers deep in the Gila wilderness, without a firearm. He came face to face with bears on at least two different occasions this year and gently stood his ground while talking calmly and the bears sauntered away; the recommended procedure as I understand it. Forest service personnel are trained to react effectively to these situations and when was the last time you heard of a bear attack on forest service people? Posted by: Juannie | Sep 26 2007 16:04 utc | 14 Does anyone have any idea what nefarious scheme could prompt the United States Forest Service Purchases 700 TASER X26 Electronic Control Devices?
more falcon news. both of these links were sources for project censored’s #6 most unreported stories of 08. (b real’s was #3) Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2007 16:08 utc | 15 170 rebels, foreign soldier killed in Afghan clashes Juannie – the terra-ist threat from environmental activists is a big pretext for usfs orders; the primary reason is that this is yet another govt agency to milk for security-related contracts in the post-911 total immersion into an aggressive security state. maybe check out the numbers on usfs personnel deaths on duty over the years to spot any more specific trends/threats that convinced officials it’s a needed purchase, but there are also probably longer range plans somewhere that show more potential for dangerous confrontations as climate change kicks in. and maybe as the economy continues to tank, more people will be trying to squat in areas that promise lucative timber sales. or more people start opting for firewood rather than rising municipal utility rates. or… Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2007 16:55 utc | 17 To expound on Juannie’s comments: Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 26 2007 17:15 utc | 18 Juannie, I think this is part of the arming of federal agents and the militarizing and federalizing of police units that began in earnest under Clinton and mushroomed after 911. Posted by: moonshadow | Sep 26 2007 17:15 utc | 19 A colleague recently retired from the Forest Service points out that law enforcement on their properties is part of their work. There’s crime in forests like everywhere else. Buying new equipment doesn’t necessarily mean a change in who they bust or why. Cops shop, too. Posted by: Browning | Sep 26 2007 17:22 utc | 20 i could see how this is enforceable w/i the boundaries of the u.s., but c’mon
inroduced by conyers, co-sponsored by kucinich, it passed back in may waiting, i assume, presidential signing(?)
Posted by: b real | Sep 26 2007 18:38 utc | 21 Anatomy of an Assassination
Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 18:44 utc | 22 If you are looking for a translation of the El Pais article about the talks Bush held with Aznar bevor the Iraq invasion, Migeru and kcurie at ET have done a great job.
Posted by: Fran | Sep 26 2007 19:05 utc | 24 Re: 20; But it is a change in how they bust people. By weaponizing all facets of law enforcement, the use of force becomes the solution of choice even in non-violent situations. It’s much easier to tase a guy than to mediate a resolution. Or, as in annie’s example, to use a military-like street sweep involving 960 agencies and the detention of 10,000 Americans to catch about 1000 criminals, in lieu of ordinary police work. Posted by: moonshadow | Sep 26 2007 19:09 utc | 25 Things have been so dull of late. Happily the very knowledgeable William Engdahl has something new (to me) & interesting to say about Oil & it’s origins. Doubtless he’ll get trashed. On the other hand, given the state of the biosphere, maybe it’s irrelevant – or maybe not… Stay Tuned… Posted by: jj | Sep 26 2007 19:41 utc | 26 Senate approves Lieberman Kyl amendment beating war drums against Iran. Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 19:44 utc | 27 Think Progress on the dangers of the lieberman kyl amendment (and a link to the text). Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2007 19:47 utc | 28 “For my part, I will try, from now on, to use the most subtle rhetoric possible, while we seel approval of the resolution.” Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 26 2007 19:48 utc | 29 to speak of eloquence – i just watched the adress by robert mugabe & while he was not participating in self-criticism – it was a very powerful & dignified speech which had a great deal of truth in it Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 26 2007 21:52 utc | 30 An interesting discussion re Forest Service Tasers and I got a lot out of a simple question. I’d love to expound more on it but not here not now. A tip of the hat is due to Don Nash at Unknown News link – http://www.unknownnews.org/070925a-DonNash.html Posted by: Juannie | Sep 27 2007 1:03 utc | 31 fyi. big back stab. divide ‘n you know what. Posted by: annie | Sep 27 2007 3:01 utc | 32 Nothing surprising w/Biden’s bill. I’ve said it since they first went in that that was their plan. Read Zbig’s “Grand Chessboard”, see Yugoslavia. It was obvious. The purpose of recent troop increase was to prepare the ground – separating Baghdad & other areas. xUS elites have been fighting to prevent Iraq, the only ME nation w/both lots of oil & fresh water, from becoming a regional power, which imperialism doesn’t allow, for at least 27 yrs, though since WWII prob. more like it. They want to smash it once & for all. That’s why they sent in special forces dressed up as Arabs to blow up shit & people, to foment all the conflict, since it didn’t naturally happen after the invasion. Posted by: jj | Sep 27 2007 3:38 utc | 33 mugabe’s un speech today avail here w/ all other speeches in the ongoing gen assembly.
Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2007 3:38 utc | 34 be sure to watch daniel ortega’s speech on the 25th too if you need your anti-imperialist batteries recharged 😉 Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2007 3:45 utc | 35 The standoff in New Hampshire is not getting much national coverage… Posted by: korrelatr | Sep 27 2007 4:12 utc | 36 No Going Back, a detailed account of the Iraqi refugee situation by Nir Rosen. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 27 2007 6:53 utc | 37 Joe Galloway opines:
ah yes abiotic oil – no free lunch (part 3 of three)
Posted by: jcairo | Sep 27 2007 10:08 utc | 39 Can someone with some comprehension of the English language explain to me the meaning and logic of this paragraph out of today’s LA Times editorial?
It’s simple. You just haven’t been reading enough Corporate Media or watching enough U.S. Television. It means “Bomb Iran now.” Posted by: Rick | Sep 27 2007 12:26 utc | 41 @Rick – so much was clear. But if Iran doesn’t like the U.S. why should Russia, China or Germany care? Is there any ground for that? Never know if you are just being rhetorical, b, but the word is coming down from the “big boss” to the lackeys that they better curtail their “aiding and abetting” the enemy and help the US to bring them in line. The nervous neighbors likely refer to Syria and Iraq, who continue see Iran as a positive influence and continue to deal with them. Dire consequences are implied for all who don’t fall in lockstep. Just think of Australia’s Howard and the “sheriff in the Pacific” statement. Posted by: ww | Sep 27 2007 13:49 utc | 43 @ww – no thetorically – I wonder about the mindset of the LA Times editors. How do you like your pseudoscience? Scrambled or hard-boiled? We’ve played out phrenology, but we haven’t used social circles (now, with Statistics™!)Think of it as a game of six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon, only we use Usama bin Laden instead. Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 27 2007 15:06 utc | 47 Juannie at #31: Posted by: moonshadow | Sep 27 2007 15:22 utc | 48 Daniel Ellsberg: A Coup Has Occurred
Posted by: Bea | Sep 27 2007 15:34 utc | 49 More from “A Coup Has Occurred”:
Posted by: Bea | Sep 27 2007 15:39 utc | 50 Jonathan Cook: Why Did Israel Attack Syria?
Posted by: Bea | Sep 27 2007 16:20 utc | 52 Saw over on Huffington that Bloomberg said words to the effect that INSURGENTS IN IRAG LIKE AMERICANS WHO FOUGHT BRITISH. Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 27 2007 16:21 utc | 53 Not Irag – Iraq! Seriously rattled by the freepers, apparently… Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 27 2007 16:22 utc | 54 thanks for the u n link – b real Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 27 2007 18:49 utc | 55 @r’giap Posted by: Bea | Sep 27 2007 19:21 utc | 56 @anna missed Posted by: Bea | Sep 27 2007 19:32 utc | 57 Debs is dead:
– local review Posted by: jcairo | Sep 27 2007 21:14 utc | 58 yes, morales exuded great wisdom, confidence & integrity at the general assembly. and he didn’t need notes (or pronunciation keys)! excellent speech. Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2007 21:33 utc | 59 b real & b Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 27 2007 22:00 utc | 60 well said on all points, r’giap. there’s a huge void to be filled w/ more voices of sanity these exemplarly spokespersons truly represent. Posted by: b real | Sep 27 2007 22:18 utc | 61 I had planned to spend some time this morning mulling over the battle of Paschendale, part of the Ypres campaign of 1916-17 and about to reach it’s 90th anniversary, but preparatory to doing so I took my morning skim through Counterpunch in the hope that I may find some news of resistance suceeding, humans defeating the machinery of steel and oil, a story to make one’s day a more optimistic endeavour.
This business of jailing children leaves me gobsmacked at the best of times but when the child has been apprehended by bounty hunters or kidnappers and has never been granted a fair hearing in a properly constituted court, I am fucking appalled to the point of feeling that flying jet fuel awash airplanes into amerikan population centres seems far too mild. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 27 2007 22:25 utc | 62 Thanks moonshadow and Tantalus. Posted by: Juannie | Sep 27 2007 22:31 utc | 63 Juannie, Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 28 2007 0:27 utc | 65 Yes Bea, I think the Rosen piece proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the sectarian friction in Iraq is more a function of conditions there, as opposed to any innate, or inherent hatered they have (for each other). Otherwise those sectarian animosities would have followed with them, and they have not – especially since the largest refugee group, the Sunni’s, have also suffered the most at the hands of the Shia in Iraq, and make no retribution on them in exile. Where one might assume they have even more reason to do so. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 28 2007 1:10 utc | 66 But if Iran doesn’t like the U.S. why should Russia, China or Germany care? Is there any ground for that? Posted by: jj | Sep 28 2007 1:12 utc | 67 jj Doesn’t Israel understand that they’re committing suicide by this? Posted by: Rick | Sep 28 2007 2:16 utc | 68 @Tantalus most of the men in my mothers family were at Paschendale. That was the last (of many battles- The Somme, Bersheba, Gaza, Suez, Ypres, Gallipoli, Verdun, Charleroi) battle for them, one survived but had been badly gassed and the Spanish flu got him not long after he made it home. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 28 2007 2:40 utc | 69 Report: The weird displaced “nukes” incident in the US was in fact an intended attack on Iran aborted by the US airforce.
Revolt. Posted by: Bea | Sep 28 2007 3:44 utc | 70 Debs, Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 28 2007 3:53 utc | 71 Bea, sure. We’ve been reading much about mil. opposition, as it should be. Recall the converse situation – when Carter said during campaign that he’d withdraw troops from Korea. AF staged an incident to nix that – plane shot down,or something, details vague. Posted by: jj | Sep 28 2007 4:28 utc | 72 66 Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2007 6:13 utc | 73 @tantalus my great-uncle Len, gassed I think at Ypres. a broken man the rest of his days. and the lesson he and his generation learnt, forgotten almost overnight (on a historical scale). renewable amnesia, our only really infinite resource. Posted by: DeAnander | Sep 28 2007 6:23 utc | 74 My grandfather, too, was gassed in WWI – I don’t know where. He was never the same man. Posted by: Bea | Sep 28 2007 12:47 utc | 75 DeAnander – romanticising war ought to be at least as punishable as denying the Holocaust — maybe more so – so true. Memorials like the Menin Gate, with the names of 54,896 Commonwealth men who disappeared without a trace in the battles of Ypres, not including Passchendaele, should be enough, you’d have thought – for perspective, 58,209 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War. The names on the Menin Gate are just those people who were never found, and doesn’t include Austraian or New Zealand deaths. Another 42,000 Commonwealth soldiers vanished during Passchendaele, part of a Commonwealth death toll of 300,000 in a single battle. It was calculated that a million shells had fallen in a single square mile of the battlefield. The notion that there is any way modern warfare can be mythologized in a way that sidesteps those bare statistics is at the very least a grotesque betrayal of the millions who died, and died for the greater part with no illusions. Instead we’re back to the notion of war as mystery play, conferring things like heroism, pride and glorious sacrifice, and neatly coffined heroes. Wilfred Owen, Henri Barbusse, Erich Remarque should be mandatory reading for everyone. Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 28 2007 13:27 utc | 76 More judicial pushback on Patriot Act Excesses
Posted by: Bea | Sep 28 2007 15:09 utc | 77 two items of note from nigerian paper, leadership, today
and an editorial
Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 15:18 utc | 78 fyivideo to the american people from 1920 Revolution Brigade. this has been scrubbed once already so you may want to watch it asap. otherwise it is on roadstoiraq blog. Posted by: annie | Sep 28 2007 16:58 utc | 79 Those who would have us hit Iran right away have received another important pushback (in addition to that already coming from the US military):
Here’s how he used the word:
Doesn’t sound so preventive to me but who knows…
The start?????
More defining than, say, global warming? or the state of the global economy? or universal health care? or AIDs? or US hegemony?…or… or… or… how many other issues can you name that are more gravely urgent and “defining” ? Posted by: Bea | Sep 28 2007 16:58 utc | 80 @r’giap Posted by: Bea | Sep 28 2007 17:12 utc | 81 @b real – 78 thanks b. then the spokeperson’s stmt that “Asuni and her network are out to embarrass the country by seeking to cause damage to the national interest” makes sense. Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 18:22 utc | 83 goodness. so much “he said-she said” reporting on this story.
(fwiw, the pic of asuni in the bbc article is lifted from here)
bloomberg rpts
cannot find any online guardian rpt on the story Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 19:08 utc | 84 @78, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 28 2007 19:20 utc | 85 found the original guardian article
Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 19:25 utc | 86 jony_b_cool
Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 19:39 utc | 87 More about Opitz:
He is well known here and public TV has supported/shown lots of his stuff. I doubt he stage-manages things – not his style. He just “embarresses” the Nigerian government for showing issues they don’t want to be seen. Andy Lehman is his cameraman – also a professional, though usually making critical short movies. maybe just bad timing on their part. others have shot footage there over the years, however, the new admin has been cracking down since taking office earlier this summer. or, as you suggest, they could have been making someone w/ connections to biz interests there very uncomfortable. Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 20:32 utc | 89 @87, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 28 2007 21:11 utc | 90 jony_b_cool My guess is that by bringing up the UNSC seat matter, the Nigerians are playing a game with the Africom planners. Posted by: b real | Sep 28 2007 21:38 utc | 91 b@88, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 28 2007 21:42 utc | 92 ‘We’ll revoke Al-Maliki’s licence first’
Posted by: Alamet | Sep 28 2007 22:58 utc | 93 Intriguing…
Posted by: Alamet | Sep 28 2007 23:02 utc | 94 More despicable war crimes, this time by our uniformed goons in Iraq. Posted by: ran | Sep 28 2007 23:26 utc | 95 for b, but above all for rick Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 28 2007 23:56 utc | 96 Rgiap Posted by: Tantalus | Sep 29 2007 0:29 utc | 97 91 being the only populated continent w/o a perm seat & veto power. Posted by: annie | Sep 29 2007 1:09 utc | 99 87..It’s the criteria that matters,” Posted by: annie | Sep 29 2007 1:17 utc | 100 |
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