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September 3, 2007
OT 07-61
Sorry, still on the road and no time to write up something.
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unbelievable. the french press just repeating the meme that the surge is working meanwhile missing the whole point of the defeat of the british forces in basra & elsewhere Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 3 2007 20:07 utc | 1 Bernhard, Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 3 2007 20:40 utc | 2 “It appears that many influential people in this country have learned nothing from the last five years. And those who cannot learn from history are, indeed, doomed to repeat it.” — Paul Krugman today Posted by: mudduck | Sep 3 2007 20:53 utc | 3 @mudduck Posted by: Malooga | Sep 3 2007 21:31 utc | 4 Time to confess to an abhorrent vice. I can lose myself in action movies, if the special effects are suitably over the top without being so disjointed that no one knows what the fuck is going on. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 3 2007 22:09 utc | 5 Looks like we have the begginings of endless war in Iraq. Unless someone wins the civil war soon and they’re able to re-create an Iraqi state, or states within Iraq its going to look like Afghanistan or the war torn parts of Africa. The war has been going long enough now that soon a generation of children will have grown up in Iraq who don’t know anything else.
As we have seen in Africa, when children become fighters at an early age, they provide a pool of men who for at least a generation cannot do anything but fight. It is difficult to “de-program” them into peaceful citizens. In turn, this leads to what we might call “supply-side war,” war driven largely by the presence of men who want to fight.” Posted by: swio | Sep 3 2007 22:19 utc | 6 Someone posted a link to this piece on Bush yesterday, and when I read it now, this passage jumped out at me:
Is it just me, or is that very unnerving? First of all, his choice of the term “playing” is just horrifying to me. Is this a card game? Is he upping the ante, doubling down, etc etc? The cavalier choice of words is stunning. Second of all, the time frame of October-November coincides exactly with the best time, both in the election schedule, and in the weather cycle, for hitting Iran. Is this code for his licking his chops in anticipation of our blitzing Iran? Posted by: Bea | Sep 3 2007 23:39 utc | 7 Someone posted a link to this piece on Bush yesterday, and when I read it now, this passage jumped out at me:
Is it just me, or is that very unnerving? First of all, his choice of the term “playing” is just horrifying to me. Is this a card game? Is he upping the ante, doubling down, etc etc? The cavalier choice of words is stunning. Second of all, the time frame of October-November coincides exactly with the best time, both in the election schedule, and in the weather cycle, for hitting Iran. Is this code for his licking his chops in anticipation of our blitzing Iran? Posted by: Bea | Sep 3 2007 23:40 utc | 8 Someone posted a link to this piece on Bush yesterday, and when I read it now, this passage jumped out at me:
Is it just me, or is that very unnerving? First of all, his choice of the term “playing” is just horrifying to me. Is this a card game? Is he upping the ante, doubling down, etc etc? The cavalier choice of words is stunning. Second of all, the time frame of October-November coincides exactly with the best time, both in the election schedule, and in the weather cycle, for hitting Iran. Is this code for his licking his chops in anticipation of our blitzing Iran? Posted by: Bea | Sep 3 2007 23:41 utc | 9 “The question is can anything be done to prevent the censorship which will be pushed onto the interweb eventually?” Posted by: jcairo | Sep 3 2007 23:43 utc | 12 “This movie is one of the opening shots in a cultural manipulation” Posted by: jcairo | Sep 3 2007 23:54 utc | 13 i’m old enough to remember when buttermilk was what you had left, after churning what you spent hours milking by hand, when tomatoes came in bushels instead of rad-zapped bunches, and the barber is where you hung if you wanted real skinny. Posted by: Symbion Hearts | Sep 4 2007 1:37 utc | 14 Using entertainment to push war does date back to WW2 at least in Amerika and far before in other cultures but I was alluding to the opening shot of a cultural manipulation to get people to accept that freedom of information exchange on the net is a bad thing. That particular m,anipulation is still in it’s infancy. It is confined to Fox loonies and Bruce Willis movies thus far. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 4 2007 2:11 utc | 15 @ DID 15
In a cinematic and anti-war vein it seems that Brian De Palma’s Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 4 2007 6:26 utc | 16 Again today Badger Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 4 2007 6:44 utc | 17 Corruption is always the excuse. In a system based upon corruption, if you are not corrupt enough you are forced out for corruption. Ha! Posted by: Malooga | Sep 4 2007 6:52 utc | 18 Why the Dora market is “save”: Weighing the ‘Surge’
The APEC meeting in Sydney this week, where Shrub is gonna be after his sleepover at Maliki’s house, allegedly has global warming at the top of the list. That is deputy sheriff Howard’s excuse anyhow. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 4 2007 7:16 utc | 20 I’m in a funny mood tonight so I just want to say hello to Bernhard, annie, Uncle $cam wherever you are, Debs, Malooga, Monolycus (I’m on the m’s mono), Alabama (was here recently I think), Truth, jcairo (take it slow my friend), Swedish, Bea (full of news), catlady, b real who is doing the brunt work of bringing Africa to us, Blackie (you know who you are), anna missed who has the skinny on Iraq, all you new posters (welcome!), and those we haven’t seen in a while like Jerome, DeAnander and something174. And yes, I have a bad memory and almost forgot you too. Posted by: jonku | Sep 4 2007 8:48 utc | 21 Hey Debs, I caught a band called Crowded House tonight. Posted by: jonku | Sep 4 2007 9:01 utc | 22 @ Jonku NZ does use dollars has done since July 12 1967. The joke may be about the fact that vritually everything in NZ is for sale nowadays. Coincidentally a canadian superannuation fund is currently bidding to buy Auckland airport even after 20 years of this it is still impossible to get the pols to understand that a great asset is worth more in the hand than paying exorbitant rent on it. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 4 2007 9:50 utc | 23 Hannah K. O’Luthon: Posted by: Sam | Sep 4 2007 12:19 utc | 24 Someone hacked the Pentagon: Posted by: Sam | Sep 4 2007 12:28 utc | 25 Anybody want to talk about Fascism: Posted by: Sam | Sep 4 2007 12:36 utc | 26 Has any news site copped on to the irony that four years after Bush announcing the end of major combat operations (and Dicky C. pronouncing the insurgency to be in its last throes) that Bush still has to sneak into Iraq like a thief returning to the scene of the crime instead of as a president paying a normal diplomatic visit? Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 4 2007 12:37 utc | 27 Ahh what’s a few trillion dollars here or there: Posted by: Sam | Sep 4 2007 12:50 utc | 28 Petraeus has replaced Blair as Bush’s poodle; but unlike Blair, Petraeus may really get wrecked by some of his subordinate officers. We’ll see…. Posted by: alabama | Sep 4 2007 15:24 utc | 29 Jonku: the autumnal equinox occurs at 2:34 am PDT (9:54 GMT) on Sunday September 23, so you have a few more weeks before we send the sun over to DiD’s hemisphere. Posted by: catlady | Sep 4 2007 15:55 utc | 30 Lots of stuff for the legal bloggers in this new NYT Magazine piece which is a kind of preview of Goldsmith’s tell-(nearly)-all of his time as head of the Office of Legal Council.
Nothing like a little collective punishment to teach ’em:
Posted by: Bea | Sep 4 2007 18:11 utc | 32 So, just to get the proper perspective on that last post, 12 kids were treated for shock, none were injured, and the appropriate response is to cut off electricity, fuel and water for 1.5 million persons who happen to live in the same geographical area as those few who fired the rockets. Posted by: Bea | Sep 4 2007 18:14 utc | 33 Another way in which Nahr al-Bared is being used to change the rules of the game in Lebanon:
So reading between the lines, what this means is that in one camp, and therefore most likely in all 12 camps, the old understanding that the Lebanese army would never enter the camps, and the Palestinians were responsible for their own protection, will now change. Palestinian armed factions will no longer be tolerated or allowed, and the state will exert control over the camps. Posted by: Bea | Sep 4 2007 18:23 utc | 34 Catlady, thanks for responding.
So I am mourning the annual passage of us northern people’s warm and bright, and cheering on the same to our southern neighbours. Posted by: jonku | Sep 4 2007 18:44 utc | 35 rgiap, i listen to varied french radio when driving, about 6 months before Sarko was elected i noticed a change, it all went, everyone is a victim, propanganda for the holocaust, desperate problems in the banlieues, france slipping behind in GDP etc, pedophiles in the bushes, the desperate problem of illegal immigrants, arabs, etc. etc. that is from france-info to france-culture. Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 4 2007 19:07 utc | 36 This may have been posted before if so apologies. Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 4 2007 19:19 utc | 37 Tangerine: “I asked her why she is telling me this. (…)” Posted by: jonku | Sep 4 2007 19:30 utc | 38 Fisk, in the Independent, 4 sept. 2007: Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 4 2007 19:31 utc | 39 jonku, I still don’t believe an attack on Iran will take place. Just thought it was worth posting. Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 4 2007 19:34 utc | 40 men w/ their boats playing let’s contain china? Navies hold exercise in Indian Ocean
wrt men w/ boats “securing” africa, here’s a checkin on the nato flotilla’s circumnavigation of the continent
you, a boatload of private oil company officials & their supporting thinktank crews, admiral. no doubt. Posted by: b real | Sep 4 2007 21:40 utc | 41 1) Nobody is willing to challenge me when I asy that I think the US IS accomplishing its objectives in Iraq. I wish someone would, be cause I’m not really sure, but many signs point this way. Posted by: Malooga | Sep 4 2007 22:56 utc | 43 We have not discussed N. Korea. What is going on there that they are willing to put their Nukes under monitoring. Who gave what concessions? Why would they do this? Will Bush play this as a huge success? Posted by: Malooga | Sep 4 2007 22:58 utc | 44 ralphieboy: Posted by: Sam | Sep 5 2007 0:01 utc | 45 Malooga: Posted by: Sam | Sep 5 2007 0:39 utc | 46 I would say, that not only is the ‘US accomplishing its objectives in Iraq’ it is also doing so here at home if the following is any indication:
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 5 2007 1:22 utc | 47 It doesn’t look like mission accomplished to me. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 5 2007 1:31 utc | 48 noirette/tangerine & malooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 5 2007 1:37 utc | 49 i would suggest that in fact the long war has already begun & the us empire has already lost it Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 5 2007 1:39 utc | 50 bea @ 7 Posted by: mimi | Sep 5 2007 2:36 utc | 51 rememberinggiap @ 50
I like to hear your opinion, in case you have read it. I found her analysis truthful and wonder what can be done to avoid her thesis that states: “exporting free market democracy breeds ethnic hatred and global instability”. Posted by: mimi | Sep 5 2007 3:00 utc | 52 What “free market democracy”?
Posted by: catlady | Sep 5 2007 3:12 utc | 53 Uncle $cam: Posted by: Sam | Sep 5 2007 3:35 utc | 54 Help! can’t find a post, and I’m not even sure it was here that I read it… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 5 2007 3:39 utc | 55 Who ever said the ‘WOT’ was about benefiting America? The most one can say is that it benefits, ‘some’ of America, e.g., the top 1%, i.e. the Elite. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 5 2007 3:45 utc | 56 RE #55 – Can’t help you Uncle, but I remmber reading that too. It was a company that made the data available to employees on the production line and the result was improved productivety. Mangement fearing this could make their job reduntant put a stop to it. Hopefully this helps jog someone’s memory. Posted by: Sam | Sep 5 2007 3:56 utc | 57 reuters: Somalia’s Islamic Courts movement “intact”
it was the unpopular rule of the warlords (backed in part by the CIA) that led to the success of the islamic courts in the first place, and the warlord-led TFG (backed by both ethiopia & the u.s.), which has restored many of those same warlords back into positions of power, is hardly making any better impression on somalis.
the opposition conference — the somali congress for liberation and reconstitution — is now scheduled to begin this thursday in asmara, eritrea.
which presents a serious threat to those backing the TFG, so there will likely be different attempts to undermine and/or discredit the conference. here’s one,
and we have already seen how the u.s. has ratcheted up the demonization of eritrea in the past couple of weeks, so asst sec frazer will probably waddle back out before the microphones to disseminate more disinformation – remember, it was she who told the press back in december that 2,000 eritrea troops were in mogadishu and that the top ranks of the ICU were made up of AQ affiliates, both baseless charges calculated to justify the invasion of somalia to effect a regime change in order to restore the warlords to power.
Posted by: b real | Sep 5 2007 4:09 utc | 59 according to that article above on increased eritrean-chinese relations, china’s ambassador to eritrea says they’ll help to press forward on getting ethiopia (and the u.s.) to recognize the UN border commission ruling of 2002 that supposedly settled a deadly territorial dispute.
one thing that china is accomplishing in this expansion into africa is a contingent of voting allies in the u.n., which will give it more leverage in countering the western dominance of that int’l body.
not much information coming out on the 14-member u.n. team that has been there since aug 30th, though it is assumed that they are working closely w/ addis ababa & not independently covering the region, this despite the cease-fire announced by the ONLF in anticipation of having int’l observers come into the area & verify their claims of govt atrocities. the ethiopians have blocked all journalists from entering the region.
Posted by: b real | Sep 5 2007 4:43 utc | 62 i can see why STRATCOM is not charging for this “intelligence” rpt — their analysis is that the recent announcement by the SADC rejecting a u.s. military presence on the continent is a move by south africa to preserve its power. heh.
this really misses the whole message, doesn’t it? the p.m. stated that the AU was on-board w/ this rejection of AFRICOM being based on the continent.
dream on, neocon Posted by: b real | Sep 5 2007 5:02 utc | 63 whoops – should have made it clearer that the second blockquote is still STRATCOM unintelligence Posted by: b real | Sep 5 2007 5:04 utc | 64 Quite the chain of events: Posted by: Sam | Sep 5 2007 7:06 utc | 65 @63, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 5 2007 8:26 utc | 66 500 years ago, the missionaries warmed the hearts of savage African cannibals with Bibles. Africom should bring more Bibles, this time on iPods. That should be enough to get them dumb-darkies screeching, grinning and jumping up & down. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 5 2007 8:49 utc | 67 #61 Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 5 2007 10:07 utc | 68 AFRICOM must not stop at just bringing them Bibles, but teach them American virtues like privatization, “abstinence only” and the unlimited right to bear arms. Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 5 2007 11:22 utc | 69 Arriving at the APEC conference Mr Bush perhaps summed it up best when the Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile greeted him at the airport and asked “How was Baghdad?” Posted by: Cloned Poster | Sep 5 2007 11:40 utc | 70 Arriving at the APEC conference Mr Bush perhaps summed it up best when the Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile greeted him at the airport and asked “How was Baghdad?” Posted by: Cloned Poster | Sep 5 2007 11:45 utc | 71 @mimi #51 Posted by: Bea | Sep 5 2007 12:40 utc | 72 For those who appreciate Paul Craig Poberts writings at Counterpunch, as I do, it is quite revealing to read his absolutely rascist review of Amy Chua’s World On Fire — could have been written by Jefferson Davis. Posted by: Malooga | Sep 5 2007 12:48 utc | 73 @r’giap #49: Posted by: Malooga | Sep 5 2007 12:52 utc | 74 jonku & Dr?Did: Posted by: jcairo | Sep 5 2007 13:34 utc | 76 djfnsjfbjbjhbdf dv Posted by: jcairo | Sep 5 2007 13:48 utc | 77 goodness. in #63/64 i meant to write stratfor, not stratcom. sorry ’bout that. Posted by: b real | Sep 5 2007 14:14 utc | 78 Did Posted by: jcairo | Sep 5 2007 14:18 utc | 79 @Malooga #73
Sigh. Oh well. I really enjoyed reading him as an authentically conservative, former-government official-turned-vehement-opposition voice. Now that I’ve seen this, I won’t bother reading him any more at all. Posted by: Bea | Sep 5 2007 14:59 utc | 80 #73 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 5 2007 15:01 utc | 81 Malooga at 43 wrote: Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 5 2007 15:37 utc | 82 the class-dynamics of culture Posted by: Malooga | Sep 5 2007 15:57 utc | 83
Aha. Yes, it should be obvious. I’m remembering travels in Turkey, on a Rotary Group Study Exchange, and how it felt odd so much of the time. The stated mission of GSE was “fostering world peace through one-on-one contact”–the food and music thing–but the underlying message was all business, contacts, networking, $$$. No wonder my group imploded; our GSE “theme” was arts & culture. Posted by: catlady | Sep 5 2007 16:21 utc | 84 rgiap at 49 wrote: Posted by: Tangerine | Sep 5 2007 16:24 utc | 85 Re. America’s goals in Iraq. Which are? Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Sep 5 2007 16:35 utc | 86 Stan Goff: The Ends Begins Posted by: Malooga | Sep 5 2007 17:01 utc | 87 Malooga, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Sep 5 2007 17:12 utc | 88 its over for the empire but i also agree with both tangerine & malooga that we will pass through an unprecedented level of barbarism Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 5 2007 17:27 utc | 89 jbcool Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 5 2007 17:29 utc | 90 Adding to the discussion of science versus belief 🙂
In any event, when “culture” means the food you eat and the music you listen to, everyone gets along fine. But when “culture” means the ability of those to come in to another culture with their laws, capital, and weapons, and change the economic and social structure of that culture to channel wealth towards themselves and away from others — well, that’s when so-called multi-culturalism can get a little rocky. Posted by: Bea | Sep 5 2007 17:53 utc | 92 Interesting read, even if everyone already knows it: David Bromwich talking about Bush, the spineless Dems, AIPAC and the inevitable war with Iran in the Huffington Post.
Snip…
The original Mearscheimer article is here in PDF format… but I have to confess I haven’t read it yet, so I won’t be able to skip to the good parts for you. Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 5 2007 18:06 utc | 93 Right on cue: Germany Arrests 3 in “Massive” Terror Plot Against US Targets Posted by: Bea | Sep 5 2007 20:27 utc | 94 Hamas Flag Goes up in Lebanon Camps
Blowback… Posted by: Bea | Sep 5 2007 20:33 utc | 95 What an irritating little pest Sarko is. I’m at the point where when I see his name I instictively want to avert my eyes…
Notice that the Japan Times deems it still worthy of coverage a month after the event. But I suppose Sarko’s voters are so happy to be on the good side of the US that they won’t really care what the rest of the world thinks, will they? Posted by: Alamet | Sep 5 2007 20:58 utc | 96 Colombia, Israel and rogue mercenaries
Posted by: Alamet | Sep 5 2007 21:01 utc | 97 Nuclear warheads mistakenly flown on B-52 Posted by: snafu | Sep 5 2007 21:20 utc | 98 Dahr Jamail and Ali Al-Fadhily
Also on AlterNet, making some good points,
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