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August 14, 2007
Why Rove Now?

So why did Rove leave now. It’s unlikely that he really wants to have more time with the family.

Josh Marshall senses the media meme: Karl Rove, martyr to Democratic partisanship.

Some folks think it’s an indictment coming.

Larry Johnson says that Abramoff is telling friends Rove is going down because he is implicated in the bribery investigations. Some point to his involvement in  the Siegelman case in Alabama. Others claim Cheney pushed Rove out of the door. My first thought was that he’s been hired for a campaign, most likely Giuliani.

But even with dozens of dispatches and editorial on this today, there is curiously no inside account of what really happened.

Well, whatever the reason, who is losing by his departure? An interesting thought on this comes from IOZ, who remarks in contrast to the meme Marshall sees:

Karl Rove’s legendary reputation was build on the amnesia and
illiteracy of the press. He didn’t do anything that Lee Atwater hadn’t
already done, …

[Rove’s] appearance on the political scene meant next to nothing, and his retirement from it means even less. He was more important to Democrats than Republicans anyway. Without an endless stream of GOP bogeymen to parade before their base, perhaps some restive Donk might actually note that their party is not merely compliant but complicit in all the lamentable degredations of the Imagined America that they so tirelessly and uselessly lament.

So Rove was in a certain way a useful idiot for the Demorcat’s. In a mechanistic way, that is quite possibly right.

Rove leaving now, might take away the curtain of the Democrats holiness, reinforcing the picture they left by agreeing to Bush’s spying power. That’s to the advantage of  Republicans. Thereby in leaving, Rove still works to his ultimate goal and to his party’s favor.

Yuck …

Comments

To reenforce a bit what IOZ says – here is demonstration of the problem.
Today some TV guy depicted Senator Webb as a “not exactly a Daily Kos Democrat”.
Atrios denies that:

For better or for worse Jim Webb is probably the archetypal “Daily Kos Democrat.” More than that, he had tremendous support from the site both during the primary run and during the general, pre- and post-Macaca. Here’s what Markos wrote way back in April of 2006:
“I don’t have the time for a full fighting Dem write up, only to note that tonight’s edition (9:20 p.m. ET) will feature Jim Webb running for senate in Virginia.
I am extremely excited about his candidacy and I’ll be taking a bigger role promoting it in the coming months.”

And that’s the problem folks. That very Daily Kos candidate voted for enhancing spying powers for Bush.
What Atrios is not telling is that most D-Kos believers would not have supported Webb if not for Kos’ personal intervention to elect some former Reagan functionary on a Dem ticket.
As IOZ said:

Without an endless stream of GOP bogeymen to parade before their base, perhaps some restive Donk might actually note that their party is not merely compliant but complicit …

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2007 19:21 utc | 1

Josh Marshall is a fluffer, I may have spelled it wrong, but off screen porn extras know about it, but he just has all these Demo, breaking stories, and reports many things, but the MSM control all that shit, where is he?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2007 20:05 utc | 2

Maybe it means nothing. Rove might actually be tired of his work and want to spend some of the illbegotten money his work has landed him.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Aug 14 2007 20:42 utc | 3

My first thought was that it means Washington’s going to get blown up but good sometime soon.

Posted by: mats | Aug 14 2007 20:48 utc | 4

one thing his leaving certainly does is distract several days worth of attention & mental energies away from more important people/issues/crimes

Posted by: b real | Aug 14 2007 20:53 utc | 5

It’s unlikely that he really wants to have more time with the family.
nah? ya think?
lol
askod i think your antennas need some burnishing.
i think it is the election coming up on 2 fronts..
my first instinct is that it has to do w/the possibility of the caging incident bursting open. ggreg palasts story, the rove assistant who was installed in oklahoma (was it oklahoma). this is dangerous for 2 reasons, he could get busted, but more importantly the rethugs have been depending on these stolen elections bigtime and with this da thing busting open even if they can’t pin it on him or can’t prove it, they also will have a very hard time using the DA’s to do their dirty work between now and 08. i am certain they were depending on these to cover the crime they have yet to commit.
which means they have to come up w/something else fast. the country is too down on rethugs for another steal to look plausible.
But even with dozens of dispatches and editorial on this today, there is curiously no inside account of what really happened.
the reason you aren’t hearing anything is because anyone on the inside enough to get dirt has got to know what a revengeful fuck rove is. he plays not just dirty, but super dirty. he’s got the goods on everyone and has probably tapped every dc journalist. they are probably afraid of him.
my guess is he is going to be doing what he does best, making sure his bro’s stay in power, by hook or by crook.

Posted by: a | Aug 14 2007 21:34 utc | 6

I am just figuring that Rove is human too. Not everything has to be motivated by their insatiable greed or lust for power. It could be something mundane. Maybe he is ill or something. Such things happen too, and if we fail to see the political reason it might be because it is not a political reason.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Aug 14 2007 23:06 utc | 7

Can Bush pardon him if he is a private citizen? Oops, he already is.
I think a Turdblossom is about to hit the fan.

Posted by: hopping madbunny | Aug 15 2007 0:03 utc | 8

bill krystol was not in the “loop” on this one? Neocon Bill Kristol: Rove’s departure ‘odd’ and puzzling
Of course we all know Bill K, can lie with a smile on…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2007 0:45 utc | 9

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darkness be over me, my rest a stone;
yet in my dreams I’d be nearer, my God, to thee;
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Posted by: Peris Troika | Aug 15 2007 5:18 utc | 10

Though like the wanderer, the sun gone down,
darkness be over me, my rest a stone;
yet in my dreams I’d be nearer, my God, to thee;
nearer, my God, to thee
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Posted by: Peris Troika | Aug 15 2007 5:20 utc | 11

How many people do you think really know what’s going on?
Bush? Sure. His family and team? Yup.
Cheney and office? Yes.
Cabinet. Probably.
Congressional Leadership and staff? Seems likely.
When you total up all the people who really know what is happening, you probably get 1000, or more even. Maybe many more.
But none of these so-called liberal blogs have a clue.
Sure seems to me that you can keep a conspiracy in this town.
And it sure seems that elite power is not too troubled by all of these blogs persuading everyone of every possible option, until no one is sure of anything.
9/11, no problem…
It’s all so post-modern.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 15 2007 6:05 utc | 12

Here’s another hypothesis:
Rove is no longer needed, because the days of pursuing policy via electoral politics are over. *Puts on tin foil hat.* Perhaps we can put this together with Chertoff’s “gut feeling” that al-Qaeda is going to hit this summer, and with the timing being opportune for such a hit with everyone in Congress away on vacation, and the need to create chaos and divert attention before the September benchmarks for Iraq are upon us, and the fact that the buzz in the Israeli press won’t settle down regarding a war with Syria in October… and perhaps all of these things fit together in some way that could be very dire.
But then again, I do tend to think worst case. I just find it extremely bizarre that he just up and left like that. And no ASKOD, there is not a chance in hell that it was for ordinary human reasons — these are not ordinary humans. And the guy doesn’t particularly have a family anyway, does he?
That is the extreme worst case thinking — some kind of big bang is imminently planned on US soil that is supposed to make all the old rules moot. The best-case scenario, or the minimum that this is related to, is the legal scandal — somehow it might have to do with removing Rove from some kind of requirement to testify about something. I don’t know the legal ins and outs and my sense was always that an ordinary citizen can always be compelled to testify whereas a sitting official can avoid it, so this hypothesis doesn’t make much sense. But as I said, my knowledge of the legal complexities is nil.
The simplest explanation is that he is just another rat jumping off a fast sinking ship. And I think that is my favorite.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 8:33 utc | 13

Gotta disagree w/Malooga that Bu$h necessarily knows much of anything. No reason he even had to know about 911, or much of anything else…he might, but it’s not necessary in most cases….
Time will tell…this is his season to make a pile…or he lost the battle on invading Iran to Cheney…or w/the legal shit about to hit the fan, maybe he’s going to Tahiti for a vacation…or…maybe Bu$h is impotent now, so there’s no reason to stick around…or he’s furious Bu$h didn’t tell him about lyme disease & he caught it from him…or they had a lovers quarrel…or…all of the above, or some combination…

Posted by: jj | Aug 15 2007 8:41 utc | 14

Oh come on jj, Bush knew. You only had to see his face while he was reading My Pet Goat to know that he knew. He was trying so hard to appear nonchalant it’s funny.
I’d love to know — has Bush ever spent another 5 minutes in a classroom before or since 9/11? Might be interesting data.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 8:46 utc | 15

Maybe, Bea, maybe not. It’s not necessary that he knew…I go back & forth…
Anyone else wonder if x-Dems. cut a deal – we’ll call of the subpoenas if he goes…

Posted by: jj | Aug 15 2007 9:28 utc | 16

Actually, askod might be correct in that Rove did leave for a human reason. Lurch at Main and Central points out that his wife, Darby, is a breast cancer survivor and perhaps she has had a relapse.
His other guesses were that he was going to go to work for Fred or Rudy, or he has to prepare his defense against the indictment(s) coming down

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Aug 15 2007 9:49 utc | 17

Malooga at 12, makes a good point, wrote; When you total up all the people who really know what is happening, you probably get 1000, or more even. Maybe many more.
The number is far far larger. Think tanks, head of corps, big biz dealers, their minions, many in Gvmt. agencies, many heads of universities, the top of the arms industry, big Pharma, the security industry, the powerful in the shade, foreign potentates, secret services world wide, and many more. Now, a fuzzy perhaps impossible distinction must de drawn between really knowing – that is being correctly apprised of specific facts and participating in what they understand is some long range goal – and those who suck up to power, or bow to pressure, or go with the flow, understand a part, join, adhere, for many reasons. Knowledge is shifting and various, the line between truth, supposition, and group think, moot…(Sorry for the psycho babble platitude.)
Bush himself is a minor actor, that is for sure, as JJ said.

Posted by: Tangerine (ex Noirette) | Aug 15 2007 17:09 utc | 18

&titlesjj wrote: Gotta disagree w/Malooga that Bu$h necessarily knows much of anything. No reason he even had to know about 911, or much of anything else…he might, but it’s not necessary in most cases….
Bush has said twice (or even 3 times) that he saw the first plane hit the towers on a TV at Elementary Booker school, just before going ‘into the class.’ He says he thought ‘that was some terrible pilot.’ (or such like expression.) Richard Myers (acting joint chief of staff on that day!) has said something similar, but has been more careful and factual: he also saw the first ‘event’ on TV and said that ‘they thought it was some small plane’. (Indeed, some very early reports did mention a small plane.)
One may question why the supreme commanders watch television!
(Ok, in the case of Myers, he may have been informed, and then seen the event on TV subsequently, within minutes, never mind that multiple hijacks had been taking place for a while!)
(See Cooperative research and links.)
Bush lied, as no video of the first plane (only of the first explosion) was shown on TV until many hours later. Also: the timing doesn’t fit; and why/how would he stumble on a lit TV in an elementary school, when the whole occasion is planned step by step? (N.B. There are about 7-10 different accounts of how/when Bush was informed of the first hit, or event, or fire, or whatever, at the WTC.)
It is a tiny lie, a wisp in the gallery of Gvmt. lies.
For any person to say ‘I saw the robber brandish his gun’ or ‘I saw the first plane hit’ or ‘I saw Marcia secretly whispering to John’ when nothing like that was seen is perfectly natural. We construct their perception-cum-interpretation of event by relying on many sources or registers; what was seen, what was said/told, explained, discussed, how it was interpreted, who saw what/believed what, and, most importantly, how the ‘story’, history, of the event slowly is constructed and fixed thru time, today, largely based on mainstream media, pictures and reports, experts (for events like 9/11, but John’s affair with Marcia is subject to the same processes.) Next, allegiance plays a tremendous role. Bush supporters have to believe his words; feminist friend of Marcia…etc. Tribe loyalty actually creates the ‘accepted facts’, because we live in a reality that is symbolically constructed.
Back to the lies. Many interpretations of them have been given, not mutually exclusive:
a) sloppiness, laziness, lack of coordination, stupidity
b) in yo face ..we create our own reality, dissenters better watch out, and foreign Govmts. take note, the media as well
c) mafia bonding telling stupid lies in that support the PTBs story serves to both trumpet allegiance and to put oneself at risk in case of meltdown, thereby putting in a stake, and joining the band
d) fear lies told out of fear of demotion, exclusion, loss of position, etc. Yes, the serfs line up
e) extreme confusion 9/11 was not what the Gvmt claimed; nor was it what conspiracy theorists generally suppose; in that situation, nobody knew exactly what story they had to support.
Bush simply tells the scripted story, again and again, reinforcing what ordinary Americans are supposed to believe. That doesn’t speak to his knowledge, his involvement, or anything really.
Bush, snippet, horrible accident. There are much longer better vids. available, this is short.
cooperative res. /example Myers.
the situation room at Booker, stills
students at booker some years on

Posted by: Tangerine (ex Noirette) | Aug 15 2007 17:40 utc | 19

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