Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 9, 2007
Red Lights Blinking

Yuck!

Another rough day on the subprime front. AIG, the world’s largest insurer and one of the biggest mortgage lenders, said residential mortgage delinquencies and defaults are becoming more common among borrowers in the category just above subprime.

France’s biggest listed bank, BNP Paribas, froze $2.2 billion worth of funds, citing subprime woes. And the European Central Bank felt it had to inject $130.5 billion into euro-zone money markets to help calm jittery markets.
Mortgage defaults growing

Lets take a step back and look at the feed back lopes here.

A peak "resets" of the adjustable rate mortgages, after which the borrower has to pay more interest, is expected for this fall. After that mortgage delinquencies rates will move even higher as people will recognize that they can not pay the houses they bought.

The foreclosures will come and a glut of houses will hit the real estate markets at a time where risk premium on interests will increase and borrowing standards will be more stringent. There will be no buyers for these houses. House values will sink further and more people will default.  A positive (self enforcing) feed back loop.

On the lending side the mortgages have been packed into mortgage backed securities and repacked into collateralized debt obligations. These were certified by rating agencies as having a certain "risk class" and value. The rating agencies are payed by the issuer of such securities and use "mathematical" models to determine value and risk.

One can assume that some moral hazard was involved here and some double A or triple A rated papers are in reality of B– quality.

Where all the misrated MBSs and CDOs of the last years ended up is unknown. But anything labeled "money market fund" or such can be suspected to have at least some of them.

Invertors will withdraw money from these funds and the fund managers will have to sell some assets, MBSs and CDOs, to pay out to the leaving investor.

Next comes this:

BNP Paribas SA, France’s biggest bank, halted withdrawals from three investment funds because it couldn’t "fairly” value their holdings after U.S. subprime mortgage losses roiled credit markets.

The funds had about 1.6 billion euros ($2.2 billion) of assets on Aug. 7, after declining 20 percent in less than two weeks, spokesman Jonathan Mullen said today. The bank will stop calculating a net asset value for the funds, which have about a third of their money in subprime securities rated AA or higher.

BNP doesn’t know if the bits of paper it sold to investors are worth 2 billion, 1 billion or 0 billion. There is noone who wants to buy this stuff now. If there is no buyer there is no market and no price.

We will see this again and again throughout the next months. Funds everyone thought to be fine will close down or report heavy losses because they include perfectly rated MBS and CDO junk. (BTW – a lot of pension funds and endowements are said to hold this stuff too.)

People want to sell their funds because losses appear, suddenly everyone wants out. But there are no buyers and the value of the assets are thereby undetermined. The markets freeze up and suddenly there is no value at all. This is the positive feed back loop on the lenders side.

The ECB was smart today to recognize this immediately. It reacted quickly and inserted liquidity so at least the big banks could go and buy some stuff so the markets didn’t freeze up. I guess the ECB knew what was coming and was prepared. What else do they know?

There will be more and bigger fond losses in New York and London. I am not sure that the Fed is prepared to act so swiftly too.

The crunch in the credit markets will spread to equities. The shares of the financials will sink because of the losses in the bond markets. The general stock markets will be hit because consumers confronting higher credits rates will have less to spend. The U.S. economy and maybe the world will fall into recession.

Comments

The U.S. economy will fall into recession.
i’m a little sad you ended your post on that note. the little lesson you provide about the effects of global liquidity and global real estate speculation implicate all economies.
the incestuousness of global investment in this bubble will guarantee a global recession, however much we wish to see only americans suffer.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 9 2007 16:57 utc | 1

you are right sloth, while you were writing your comment I was revising my piece (there is no good way with typepad to do so before publishing) and added global though there are some factors that might keep “global” markets up.

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 17:17 utc | 2

Two Goldman Sachs funds in trouble

Computer-driven funds have suffered big losses and selling positions as a result, paper reports.

The $9 billion Global Alpha hedge fund and North American Equity Opportunities, a “equity market neutral fund” with $767 million under management earlier this year, both relied on computer programs to execute trades, the paper reported.

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 18:23 utc | 3

Reuters,16min ago:
El Banco Central Europeo (BCE) ha realizado una inyección de liquidez histórica, al poner en el circuito monetario 94.841 millones de euros, con la intención de calmar la preocupación del sector financiero ante la crisis del mercado de créditos hipotecarios de alto riesgo o ‘subprime’ en EEUU.
European Central Bank Inject 95,000 millions euros in American Financial System.

Posted by: curious | Aug 9 2007 18:38 utc | 4

Please, please , don´t use the word “billion” speaking of money.
95,000 million euros is about 130 “american billions”.
Sorry, but is a lot of confussion .

Posted by: curious | Aug 9 2007 18:44 utc | 5

Sorry, but is a lot of confussion.
Yes, especially with the decimal point, sorry, decimal comma …
“94.841 millones de euros”
“95,000 million euros”
btw – I try to stick to US conventions here – it’s yet still The Empire …

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 18:52 utc | 6

Not only that, but in German a “Milliarde” is a “billion” in English, whereas a “Billion” in German is actually a “trillion” in English, etc…
Sort of like the story of the US offer of food aid shipments to Germany after WWII. The German delegates requested or “corn”, which in British English means “grain” or “cereals” (“maize” is the european word for what the US calls “corn”).
In any case, the Germans, who only knew maize as animal fodder, had no idea of what to do with all the “corn” coming from America.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 9 2007 19:04 utc | 7

Much better to use scientific notation on big numbers, even if it doesn’t come naturally. It makes it easier to compare magnitudes:
Million (American or British) = 1000000 = 1 × 10⁶ = 1e6
American Billion = British Thousand Million = 1000000000 = 1 × 10⁹ = 1e9
American Trillion = British Billion = 1000000000000 = 1 × 10¹² = 1e12
So if U.S. spends $177 million per day in Iraq as per this page, that’s 1.77e8, or 1.22820e5 per minute.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 9 2007 20:29 utc | 8

Try this one on for size…
‘One Million seconds equals 12 days, one Billion seconds equals 32 years’.
And the elite talk as if a Billion on this a Billion on that, is no big deal, hell the average American can’t even compute it.
Just a little tidbit my physics prof told me a few years ago.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 9 2007 20:45 utc | 9

When I posted the above, the down was doen some 1% and looked recovering. Now it’s down 2.8% – good I’m out of this coasterride … cash is king right now (until the fed reflates)

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 21:11 utc | 10

One problem that you don’t mention b, is the syndicated nature of these mortgage securities is unlike previous cycles. Previously, when a default was in the offing the debtor could go have a talk with the lender who was more often than not a local bank with some incentive to re-negotiate payment terms. Now, that loan is spread globally in fragments held by thousands of counter-parties. It is probably impossible to even identify a party with whom one could negotiate.
As regards timing, the actual schedule of ARM resets peaks in March 2008. I would expect the peak in foreclosures sometime between April and June; and the peak in unsold houses (and trough in property prices) sometime in late 2008.
Finally, in addition to the direct equity losses in financials and construction stocks, and the second order losses due to a drop in consumer spending, the credit for LBO’s and private equity buyouts is also drying up as lenders generally pull back on risk. This removes the private equity “put” that has been underpinning many valuations.
Bill Gross at Pimco called this turn to the day, and IMHO it was this timely essay that lead to the Chrysler deal falling through the next day and the subsequent corporate junk bond blowout.
It is not yet clear how far afield the credit underpinned by sub-prime mortgages has leaked. Because of the financial engineering which “created” AAA risk out of a pool of much lower quality debt (and backward looking models), institutions that ordinarily could not hold risky debt have legally been able to do so, and did so in order to chase the yield. Those AAA instruments are now, after the fact, being downgraded to AA or A and so these institutions MUST sell. To whom?
Nobody really knows.

Posted by: PeeDee | Aug 9 2007 22:07 utc | 11

The money quote from Gross:

No longer will double-digit LBO returns be supported by cheap financing and shameless covenants. No longer therefore will stocks be supported so effortlessly by the double-barreled impact of LBOs and company buybacks. The U.S. economy in turn will not benefit from this tidal shift and increasing cost of financing. The Fed tightens credit by raising short-term rates but rarely, if ever, have they raised yields by 150 basis points in a month and a half’s time as has occurred in the high yield market. Those that assert that this is merely an isolated subprime crisis should observe very closely the price and terms that lenders are willing to accept with Chrysler finance this week. That more than anything else may wake them, shake them, and tell them that their world has suddenly changed.

Posted by: PeeDee | Aug 9 2007 22:19 utc | 12

Here’s something I wrote three days ago but didn’t post mainly because the market is so volatile that everything changes in at instant but I have noticed that this morning the NZSX has just taken an across the board 3% hit in reaction to Wall St and the BNP Paribas news. What I thought a few days ago was:
OK one swallow don’t make a spring ‘n all that. However oil, in particular west texas crude, has just dropped nearly 5% in a day (the Bloomberg link is to a live ticker so it will change).
– insert from today: the price of West Texas crude has continued to drop but has now been followed by a drop in Brent Oil prices. One of the interesting things to note about that is both Britain and the US contain the separate states of Richistan within them. Greater Richistan makes up 20% of the population but uses 70% of the oil resources from which we must conclude that things may be going to go very bad indeed.
This setback on US controlled resources has led to a movement by the institutional investors away from stocks on US based corporations into amerikan listed but Asian based stocks particularly Japanese stock such as Toyota.
So what does all that mean? Well as Bloomberg says the drop in crude prices reflects a concern by the big capitalists that life is gonna get a lot tougher for ordinary amerikans. They aren’t going to be spending as much, consuming as much through september at least.
Now for my view on some of this. By shifting out of US based corporations but staying with amerikan listed corps there will be a lot less obvious impact on the Dow and other market indicators. Of course anyone who bothers to take a good look will realise this but who does take a good look. Equally importantly staying with US listed corporations will put less pressure on the US$ and that means the vicious cycle of declining dollar value followed by increasing debt burden and a rise in other commodity prices for US corps is slowed.
However if the downward pressure continues on the stock prices of US corporations amerikan listings of Japanese corporations won’t be nearly far enough to run. Although such corporations have the benefit of being protected by a rule of law that USuk investors can understand, many of those corporations are as dependent on amerikan consumption as yer actual amerikan corporations are.
Eventually investments will have to be moved offshore, firstly as a protection against a general rapid decline in US stock prices , secondly as a protection against depreciation of the US $ and thirdly as investors seek a refuge in markets where consumption is growing and their stock will appreciate. Another update This is what appears to be happening but where is the money going to? A few days ago I thought I had an inkling….
Both China and India come to mind here but given that the Indian stock market is even less secure than the Chinese one where considerable effort has been made to insulate stock from corruption or the vagaries of political interference, both of those markets are far too risky to invest large sums in directly. Complex derivative style instruments will help, however an en masse move of investment from amerika into the big two asian markets is highly unlikely.
Back in the now:
Well the benefit of hindsight, all 3 or 4 days of it, doesn’t help a great deal and I wasn’t prescient, just lucky on a coupla things which could still be proved wrong.
I think I have misjudged the Indian market, as between that writing and now I have learned India has somehow managed to finesse the newly discovered vast oil reserves off the coast of Cambodia, away from China.
This is very bad news long term for India and China and really bad news for Cambodia as they have become one of the axes USuk empire uses to divide opponents. But that is a digression.
The question still remains where can this wealth be parked while no one has confidence in the US $ as a reserve currency – see Paul C Roberts excellent analysis of this.
The answer must be in commodities but given there has already been a considerable rise in the value of useful commodities eg copper, oil zinc, foodstuffs etc, and an economic downturn must reduce demand for them, that leaves only the useless commodities. . . .useless but rare.
Diamonds are no good because that market is a monopoly vulnerable to manipulation, which has already vastly overvalued the things.
I reckon we’re heading back to gold for a bit.
If we look at the gold index for the last few years there are a couple of interesting points: the seemingly inexplicable rise in gold prices in 06. At the beginning of 05 gold sat around the US$400 per ounce it had been at since the 1987 market crash. It has been appreciating steadily since then. In 06 it underwent a bit of flutter as the nervous nellies took fright and jumped aboard. After peaking at about $740 mid 06 it plunged to $560 before steadying back onto the slow appreciation curve which currently has it at US$670.
Of all the hedges property included, gold has to be the worst for stultifying an economy. Pouring money into gold may feel safe but since gold produces nothing, over-investment in it is the sort of speculation which keeps us hungry while the wealthy sit on their spotty behinds picking blackheads.
Still if the hedges don’t stay stable our rulers can be spooked into making the sort of errors which are so unjust it becomes possible for people to see that it is time for a change.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 10 2007 0:43 utc | 13

debs
i didn’t know bolshies watched the money markets as close as you do
& yes (my email is the one here at moon)

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 10 2007 0:50 utc | 14

Jittery stock markets, an economy drunk on credit, and politicians calling for varieties of dictatorship: what a sense of déjà vu! Let us recall that the world went bonkers for about ten years way back when. The stock market crashed in 1929, thanks to the Federal Reserve, and with it fell the last remnants of the old liberal ideology that government should leave society and economy alone to flourish. After the federal Great Depression hit, there was a general air in the United States and Europe that freedom hadn’t worked. What we needed were strong leaders to manage and plan economies and societies.

It’s the 1930s All Over Again
From another board:

History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
– Mark Twain
Probably sums up my growing, creeping unease.
Concious or unconcious push to create the same-ish arrangement of gaming pieces, but this time to get it right…ie no Churchill, no Roosevelt.
Uber men unite. No resistence. No leadership…even in the wings…opposed to plans. No class traders like Roosevelt, no freethinkers (however circumscribed by some things) like Churchill.
Someone once said what would have happened if the Nazis had computers and the data technology of today?
Well, we are about to find out. Unfortunately.

my fear too…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 10 2007 1:36 utc | 15

i just don’t understand the justification for the claim made by craig roberts and debs here that china’s power is to dump US assets and crash the dollar. this would be calamitous for china, whose own currency is pegged to the dollar. japan holds the greatest amount of US treasuries, etc. any devaluation of the dollar hurts whoever holds US assets. the global economy is tied to the debt-financing of western consumption. any shock to this regime would harm far more than the US economy. and in any case, devaluation helps in the longrun US competitiveness.
perhaps i’m missing something.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 1:37 utc | 16

put slightly another way: china and india cannot consume the immense accumulation of goods and services, the production of which drives the development of both regions.
i just don’t understand why the capitalist class would choose to abandon the dollar-wallstreet-regime.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 1:49 utc | 17

@sloth #16:
Seems irrational, but you must remember…China is very patient…as in ‘thousands of years’ patient. I think they’d be willing to take the hit.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 10 2007 1:58 utc | 18

It seems to me that if I were Chinese and wanted to change debt certificates for dollars I would then have to do something with those dollars and the obvious deed is to purchase American firms. I have read that China could acquire right now controlling interest in all the Dow Jones companies.

Posted by: jlcg | Aug 10 2007 1:59 utc | 19

You’all are just playing Nearer My God to Thee on the deck of the Titanic.
The market OWNERS, the banks and brokers, are velociraptors, in case
you forgot the S&L con or the dot.con $ flight from your pocket to their’s.
There is estimated $1T in sub-P and alt-A exposure just in the US markets.
Depending how that’s margined, juniored and repacked into AAA global crapola,
by summer next year, there won’t be 2008 pre-election, there won’t be a USA,
and bankers and brokers will be sipping Rothchilds on their Macao’an yachts.

Posted by: Beloit Napworth | Aug 10 2007 5:07 utc | 20

Mortgage Losses Echo in Europe and on Wall Street

In a statement that could further fuel the selloff, Countrywide Financial, the nation’s largest mortgage lender, said after the United States market closed that the debt markets were “experiencing unprecedented disruptions” that could hurt its profits and financial health. The company said it planned to hold more loans on its own books because investors were not willing to buy them. But it noted that its capacity to do so was “not unlimited.”

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 6:05 utc | 21

Paul Krugman (subscription or use bugmenot): Very Scary Things

When liquidity dries up, as I said, it can produce a chain reaction of defaults. Financial institution A can’t sell its mortgage-backed securities, so it can’t raise enough cash to make the payment it owes to institution B, which then doesn’t have the cash to pay institution C — and those who do have cash sit on it, because they don’t trust anyone else to repay a loan, which makes things even worse.
And here’s the truly scary thing about liquidity crises: it’s very hard for policy makers to do anything about them.
The Fed normally responds to economic problems by cutting interest rates — and as of yesterday morning the futures markets put the probability of a rate cut by the Fed before the end of next month at almost 100 percent. It can also lend money to banks that are short of cash: yesterday the European Central Bank, the Fed’s trans-Atlantic counterpart, lent banks $130 billion, saying that it would provide unlimited cash if necessary, and the Fed pumped in $24 billion.
But when liquidity dries up, the normal tools of policy lose much of their effectiveness. Reducing the cost of money doesn’t do much for borrowers if nobody is willing to make loans. Ensuring that banks have plenty of cash doesn’t do much if the cash stays in the banks’ vaults.
There are other, more exotic things the Fed and, more important, the executive branch of the U.S. government could do to contain the crisis if the standard policies don’t work. But for a variety of reasons, not least the current administration’s record of incompetence, we’d really rather not go there.
Let’s hope, then, that this crisis blows over as quickly as that of 1998. But I wouldn’t count on it.

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 6:12 utc | 22

Banks, financial traders & other large companies (like Enron) long ago gave up the notion of making money by actually owning things, they decided it was more profitable to simply function as the broker when goods, services and/or money change hands.
In that, they stopped paying much attention to whom they were selling. Now we wind up with domestic financial enterprises making large profits while the nation’s assets quietly pile up outside the US, ready to fall in on us like a ton of bricks.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 10 2007 7:15 utc | 23

I’m not sure that the Chinese will just drop the lot there is nothing in it for them that way. but they may choose to drop sufficient to remind amerika that they no longer hold all the reins.
I have no proof that this is the reason for Wall St taking their current hit, but I strongly suspect that the Chinese are unhappy about the Cambodian oil going to India. A lot of the previous releases about Cambodian oil discussed China’s role as a prospective purchaser. Now this is all complicated by Hun Sen’s relationship with Vietnam and Chinese impatience with Vietnam; however the three are meant to be mates and if China wants to either teach someone a lesson or belatedly get some of the action it would make more sense to take a swipe at the puppet master amerika, than the puppet Cambodia.
At some point China will have to flex their muscles just to show who is boss. Maybe this was that time, maybe it wasn’t.
Remember that Putin never actually stopped selling his hydrocarbons to Europe – he just let them know that was within his power and that a little more respect was required.
Roberts makes good, well argued points about amerika’s loss of economic sovereignty but he is of another older generation who may see a yellow peril where none exists. That is, he considers that the Chinese would go for the scorched earth program because they can. I reckon that they won’t this time but they may start something they have less control over than they imagine.
The Chinese can be many things but stupid isn’t one of them. That means if they did want to bring amerikan politicians into line they wouldn’t advertise it since no amerikan politician could risk being seen to give in to any other nation, especially an unwhite communist country. Even here at MoA it appears, some people refuse to concede that China has amerika by the balls.
The sort of automated stock programs which made 87 so bad have been altered but these are quite different pressures being brought to bear in 2007. The problems in 87 were within the stockmarket themselves – caused by a speculative bubble bursting, but this time the exacerbates are mainly external. Balance of payments deficits, insecurity of energy supply, alternatives to the US$ for a reserve currency. So who knows what may happen. Despite economists love of jargon that verges on gibberish, economics is a study of human behaviour.
Chiefly two of the basest human behaviours – greed and fear. This is no science that can be predicted accurately every time because certain immutable laws determine everything. A stock price may drop like a stone but that isn’t gravity – it is fear propelling it downwards.
@Comrade Giap I always enjoy watching the market – one should know one’s enemy but also there is the same fascination about economists endeavours to make a science of human behaviour that one sees in psychologists’ frequently misguided efforts to do the same. To use a generalisation about many incidents to predict one specific result.
Watching the stockmarket and the avarice motivated activities of the participants is better than any soapie and most ‘serious’ drama.
For what it is worth I eschew financial institutions because they exist to facilitate usury which is the fuel that propels capitalism.
I put some money in a bank once and when I went to get my money back, the money they gave me was different! I gave them two ten dollar notes and they tried to give me one $20 back. When I asked them for my money back not someone else’s they seemed quite perplexed like they didn’t know what I was on.
Just kidding – unfortunately I have to have a bank account otherwise no one pays me and I can’t pay any utilities.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 10 2007 7:15 utc | 24

China is poking about Europe. Happily for Germans, Merkel told them her country isn’t for sale, but Brits & Italians very interested in handing over theirs. (don’t have a link, as I heard it on Thom Hartmann this wk.)

Posted by: jj | Aug 10 2007 7:55 utc | 25

Instead of just pumping cash into the system, the Fed is effectivly bailing out the lenders here: Fed Adds $19 Billion in Funds by Buying Mortgage Debt

The Federal Reserve added $19 billion in temporary funds to the banking system through the purchase of mortgage-backed securities to help meet demand for cash amid a rout in bonds backed by home loans to riskier borrowers.
The Fed accepted only mortgage-backed debt as collateral for this morning’s weekend repurchase agreement.

A smart bank can now get a loan from the Fed, leave some mortgage junk as collateral and walk away with the cash.
How does the Fed know the MBS it gets as collateral are valued correctly? Sure, they are rated XYZ, but that doesn’t say anything right now.

The European Central Bank today loaned 61.05 billion euros ($83.6 billion), pumping funds into the banking system for a second day. The ECB added an unprecedented 94.8 billion euros yesterday.
Some banks may experience “unusual funding needs,” the Fed said in a statement from Washington. The Fed’s discount window is open and the central bank pledges to provide liquidity, the Fed said.
Some traders were speculating yesterday that the Fed will cut rates at an emergency meeting as soon as next week, according to a Merrill Lynch & Co. report published yesterday.

Countrywide Financial Corp., the biggest U.S. mortgage lender, said it faces “unprecedented disruptions” that may reduce profit, suggesting a credit crunch that started with the U.S. subprime market will spread.

The ECB really wants to make clear that it will not allow a credit crunch to stop the markets.
These amounts are huge, I wonder how they will mop up the excess liquidity again when things calm down …

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 14:37 utc | 26

Roubini: Worse than LTCM: Not Just a Liquidity Crisis; Rather a Credit Crisis and Crunch

Today we do not have only a liquidity crisis like in 1998; we also have a insolvency/debt crisis among a variety of borrowers that overborrowed excessively during the boom phase of the latest Minsky credit bubble.
First, you have hundreds of thousands of US households who are insolvent on their mortgages. And this is not just a subprime problem:…

You also have lots of insolvent mortgage lenders – not just the 60 plus subprime ones who have already gone out of business – but also plenty of near prime and prime ones.

You will also have – soon enough – plenty of insolvent home builders.

We also have insolvent hedge funds and other funds exposed to subprime and other mortgages. … This is for now a liquidity crisis in these credit markets; but credit events will occur given that the underlying problem was not of of liquidity but rather one of insolvency: if you take a bunch of to-be-defaulted subprime and near prime mortgages and you repackage them into RMBS and then these RMBS are repackaged into various tranches of CDOs, the rating agencies may be using magic voodoo to turn those junk BBB- mortgages into AAA tranches of CDOs; but this is only voodoo as the underlying assets are going to be defaulted on.

Moreover, the recent sharp widening in corporate credit spreads is not just a sign of a liquidity crunch; it is a sign that investors are realizing that there are serious credit/solvency problems in some parts of the corporate system. … Now that we are observing a liquidity and credit crunch and a vast widening of credit spread you will observe a sharp increase in corporate defaults and a further risk in corporate risk spreads.

Insolvent and bankrupt households, mortgage lenders, home builders, leveraged hedge funds and asset managers, and non-financial corporations. This is not just a liquidity crisis like in the 1998 LTCM episode. This is rather a liquidity crisis that signals a more fundamental debt, credit and insolvency crisis among many economic agents in the US and global economy.

Thus, while the Fed and the ECB had no option today but to provide massive liquidity in the presence of a most severe liquidity crunch and run, they should not delude themselves that this liquidity injections can resolve the deep insolvency problems of many overstretched borrowers: households, financial institutions, corporates.

The risks of a systemic crisis are rising: liquidity injections and lender of last resort bail out of insolvent borrowers – however necessary and unavoidable during a liquidity panic- will not work; they will only pospone and exacerbate the eventual and unavoidable insolvencies.

I agree. Thankfully I am all in cash except some metal that will rise when the liquity injection shows up in inflation numbers …

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 14:59 utc | 27

from Peter Gowan (2005). America, Capitalism, and the Interstate System. Critical Asian Studies, Vol. 37 Issue 3, p413-432. helps to frame the asian dynamic in the present crisis:
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Aug 11, 01:00am
b.]
again, why would global capitalists choose to abandon this order?

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 18:31 utc | 28

again, why marxist are so heavy?

Posted by: curious | Aug 10 2007 19:17 utc | 29

too much reading & not enough exercise?

Posted by: b real | Aug 10 2007 19:37 utc | 30

@sloth – why would anyone read so many inconclusive lines you are copying.
If you are too lazy to form that into a digestible conclusive thought, you might well throw that into a bit bucket elsewhere.

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 20:18 utc | 31

i don’t intend anything i post or write to be read by you. i should have formatted that better. apologies.
that post i thought provides a good background on the issue of the role asian markets might play in hurting the US. but as you see (not you, b), the interrelation of the capitalist class and policies of the nation-state are quite complex and not mutually exclusive. in no sense is it possible to say that china, japan, etc. act in the interests of particular states. rather, the global capitalist class acts often in its own interest. increasingly so.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 21:19 utc | 32

here’s a bit more from David Harvey The New Imperialism (2003) on the dollar-wallstreet-regime and the consolidation of global capital in the form of institutions supporting the regime. again, going back to debs’ analysis, why on earth would the global capital class abandon the regime? it seems china doesn’t so much have the US “by the balls” so much as the social relations binding chinese/asian capitalists w/ the global order of accumulation is compelled by very rational defense of interests superseding national/regional chauvinisms.
[looong book text deleted
Aug 11, 01:00am
b.]

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 21:36 utc | 33

i think it is crucial to understand the political economy of globalism. this includes in large part understanding the mobilization of class consciousness of global capitalism. this understanding often proves the usual “american empire” complaint a useless distraction. the point is, the chinese communists dig american empire, ditto japanese bankers. the regime of accumulation satisfies the global capitalist class.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 21:45 utc | 34

i made a mistake. it is true it seems the elites are nationalistic, but this seems aimed at reproducing popular legitimation of power.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 22:13 utc | 35

hey slothrop! Got nothing better to do with your time other than scanning and posting your library books?
We have to troll through enough of you pseudo-leftist claptrap. We have to (I suppose), put up with your lame attempts to attach gravitas to your mealy-mouthed mendacity by the use of ‘big words’ and endless name dropping, but enough, mate! If you want to quote from, reference, or link to others’ work, that’s fine, but if anyone here wants to read David Harvey or Peter Gowan then I’m sure they are capable of sourcing these works.
Shit! I’ve been off-line for 3 weeks – looking forward to once again reading MoA – but only to come back to slothrop fucking-up as many threads as he can manage in an 8 hour day.

Posted by: DM | Aug 11 2007 4:42 utc | 36

i think you’re a shrill sissy, mostly. on the other hand, dm, your hatred for americans is depthless, and scary! you kick some ass, babe.
don’t you have some american soldiers to kill, or some american sitcoms and sporting events to boycott? i mean, you’re a serious man! you’re real! you don’t have time for me.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 11 2007 5:06 utc | 37

i thought the bits i posted would be helpful for those here attempting to unravel the big world of global finance. apologies for those of you insulted because you’ve already figured it all out.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 11 2007 5:08 utc | 38

@slothrop – you are banned for now.

Posted by: b | Aug 11 2007 5:14 utc | 39

Central banks pour in billions – but global slide goes on

The world’s central banks have now injected $323bn into the money markets over the past 48 hours, equivalent to a quarter of Britain’s entire annual economic output.

That extension of the money base calculated as yearly inflation rate is some 2,100%.
How will the Central Banks ever mop up this mess? I guess they can’t and a year from now we will have some 6-8% inflation. Or maybe not, because raw materials and oil are sinking as the markets already assume a recession is in the offering.

Posted by: b | Aug 11 2007 7:57 utc | 40

goodness, banning… anyway I certainly can’t figure it out. Never even took econ. 101. Hmmm..
But there is one thing one can be sure of: if only Joe Six pack or Noirette two pack (I get 20% off on the second bottle of local wine) would be suffering this would be no big deal.
Second obvious fact: the dot com bubble, the Y2k scare, or the tiny market burps after 9/11, Enron, were, how to put it, either dumb hype, or ignored, or temporary glitches. BAU prevailed. (Business as usual.)
The depraved rot of the sub-prime ARM mortgages, subsequently sold off by the first ‘responders’, hee hee, in a kind of sausage slicing deal to dupes world wide (jeez, I am going to my pension fund tomorrow to see their books) has been alarming since a good while. This latest ‘scandal’ or as some might call it fraud or duplicity, cuts to the heart of the global ‘economy.’
And it will be hard to resorb, or will lead to a complete unwinding. This is real serious stuff. My advice is still, even if late in the day, to sell. (stocks, bonds, etc.) But then Econ 101 passed me by. Who am I! Don’t listen to me.
Of course the whole system is rotten but ppl like me have to live in the world, conserve their savings, earned by work, to pay for child education or e.g. big medical bills. So we are trapped participants.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 11 2007 17:55 utc | 41

While I suspect China’s threat was more in the way of a polite harumph, Paul Craig Roberts brings an interesting perspective:
China’s Threat to the Dollar is Real

(snip)
To understand the shortcomings of the statements by the Wisconsin professor and Treasury Secretary Paulson, consider that if China were to increase the value of the yuan by 30 percent, the value of China’s dollar holdings would decline by 30 percent. It would have the same effect on China’s pocketbook as dumping dollars and Treasuries in the markets.
Consider also, that as revaluation causes the yuan to move up in relation to the dollar (the reserve currency), it also causes the yuan to move up against every other traded currency. Thus, the Chinese cannot revalue as Paulson has ordered without making Chinese goods more expensive not merely to Americans but everywhere.
Compare this result with China dumping dollars. With the yuan pegged to the dollar, China can dump dollars without altering the exchange rate between the yuan and the dollar. As the dollar falls, the yuan falls with it. Goods and services produced in China do not become more expensive to Americans, and they become cheaper elsewhere. By dumping dollars, China expands its entry into other markets and accumulates more foreign currencies from trade surpluses.
(snip)

Posted by: Alamet | Aug 11 2007 23:30 utc | 42

Someone mentioned uruknet on another thread. I went to check it out (great site!) and found this, which I am unqualified to evaluate, but which seemed to fit right into this thread. It scared the hell out of me I must say. Can those with economic wisdom read it and interpret? Is this accurate?
The Joyride That Was the American Empire

Posted by: Bea | Aug 12 2007 6:53 utc | 43

Alamet,
from what Roberts is saying, China is now in the same position the USA held over Europe back in the days when it was in a position to keep the Dollar overvalued over Eurpean currencies.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 12 2007 18:57 utc | 44

i know s/rop is outta here, but this seems rather odd thing to say:
china and india cannot consume the immense accumulation of goods and services
why not? both china and india have populations of 1bn+ apiece
isn’t this what the us is trying to get the chinese to do a propos of the rmb peg – stimulate its own domestic demand, rather than that of the us?

Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 13 2007 0:53 utc | 45

Prost, Slainte Mhor and Ghan Bei! Next round’s on me!

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 13 2007 4:12 utc | 46

Don’t know if this is new/helpful info. or not –Hedge fund panic was behind global stock markets collapse
City sources said problems spiralled when top investment banks including Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch – whose prime brokerage arms act as lending banks to the hedge funds – insisted that the funds settle a greater proportion of their debts at the end of the day than they had done previously.
Other banks are said to have followed suit. “Everyone has hiked margin calls and anyone who says they haven’t is lying,” said one banker.
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The increased payments forced hedge funds to sell assets to cover their losses. …

Because hedge funds borrow much of the money they invest from banks, the concern is that contagion could spiral again when the markets reopen.
Gavyn Davies, Gordon Brown’s former economic adviser, warned yesterday that central bankers around the world would need to address serious deficiencies in the regulatory system once the crisis had blown over.

Why do you greedy dumb perverts think FDR put in an elaborate mechanism of regulation…JFC..

Posted by: jj | Aug 13 2007 4:37 utc | 47

I agree with the import of Bea’s article that this financial crisis was absolutely planned, it is not an accident.
Every time that Central Banks inject cash to “maintain liquidity,” they are increasing the money supply, which increases inflation. This amounts to a de facto transfer of money from the uninvested to the highly invested; that is, from the lower classes to the upper classes.
Yet, it is always the lower classes who are blamed in the press. Wall Street is lauded for “offering mortgages to those with less than average credit so that they can own their own homes.” The poor are blamed for not being able to keep up with the payments, and somehow causing this crisis. But the issue is not the fecklessness of the poor, but the creation of all manner of ARMs, guaranteed to increase interest and payments over time to usurious rates, at the same time that standard fixed-rate mortgage instruments were withdrawn from the reach of the poor — and at the same time that laws were passed allowing credit companies to change terms with only 30 days notice, thus saddling high percentages of the poor and overworked with new delinquencies, driving down their credit ratings, and driving them into these new instruments, which of course, the liberal press touted as being “more affordable.” Sheesh!
And all of this was set-up by the Clinton administration. But the sheeple can’t think, or remember, or connect any dots whatsoever.
Of course, this is but one tiny aspect of the whole financial picture, which itself is but one small part of the larger picture, which does include de-industrializing the US, at the same time that freedoms are withdrawn, dissent is silenced, militarization is increased, and ownership is centralized and narrowed. It does include control of the food supply and medication of the population.
Well, I am being overly terse here for lack of time.
But I have always said that issues of one’s own money separates the radicals from the liberals — and on this blog nearly everyone is a liberal. When I argued on this blog that one could not separate the profits garnered from investing in gold from the damage done by gold mines I was greeted by a huge…. silence.
The system is set up that way. It is gamed into creating little capitalists of us all. By making us dependent upon our retirement funds for our well-being in our later years we are forced to buy into the capitalist system of eternal growth, and “amoral” (to use Soros’ term) investments.
But there are no real “amoral” investments. All money spent on economic activity adds to someone’s wealth at the expense of another person, species, or the planet. Capitalism always produces “externalities.” Let’s face it: There aren’t enough sustainable stocks and extractive resources for all of us to invest in when one needs growth to make it through old age.
Rather than society just agreeing to care for everyone in need, we are stuck with people having to care for themselves by a strategy of financial growth, largely by investing in large corporations. We are collectively destroying our world and its long-term future in order to provide for our individual short-term futures. We are being practically suborned into making this Mephistophelean choice.
How to change things? Invest in your local community, not some multi-national corporation. Go for win-win local returns. Follow the work of Katherine Austin Fitts and others, all descended from EF Schumacher and others. Form care groups, similar to insurance companies, where people bond together and pledge to care for each other. Forget vacations and travel and spend your time learning your local habitat in depth, as the native people did.
The world financial crisis is not an accident. It is easier to control the insecure than the secure. As the planet reaches its limits to growth, the elite need a mechanism to control the masses. This is what we see being implemented.
We can counter this but not by playing by their rules. We can’t win by all of us finding the “right” investments — that will leave more losers than winners, and there is nothing progressive about increasing wealth disparities.
We can only counter centralization and personal disempowerment by decentralization and communal empowerment. And where we put our money is the single largest thing we can do with our lives. More than all the time we put into activist causes, if we take the money supply away from the financial and corporate junkies, we will change the world.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 13 2007 6:12 utc | 48

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