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August 22, 2007
OT 07-57
Open thread: News and views …
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Wells Fargo gives good credit card allowances. Posted by: Kommando Kody | Aug 22 2007 4:47 utc | 1 We are so Fried Alive… Posted by: jj | Aug 22 2007 4:58 utc | 2 IranContra Trading Cards w/Histories-educational
And damn it, I could kick myself for not buying these when I could have… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2007 5:04 utc | 3 Free speech: White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters
Goddamn it, they moved it…try here: Iran/Contra Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2007 5:11 utc | 5 For Uncle, & anyone else who needs a bitter laugh over their late night drink – CAUTION – don’t read w/full mouth…Grabbed this from comments @Kunstler’s place: Posted by: jj | Aug 22 2007 5:57 utc | 7 Those who follow the Victor Bout controversy may now visit the Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 22 2007 8:32 utc | 8 Hannah, I thought of you as I read this online book Trail Of The Octopus kindly linked by our Uncle. Posted by: jonku | Aug 22 2007 8:57 utc | 9 donnou if ya already saw this little video piece: Posted by: rudolf | Aug 22 2007 9:19 utc | 10 @ jonku 9
For those interested in some official documentation on the details of the Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 22 2007 9:56 utc | 11 Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern on an Iran attack:
@ uncle (3) – I have one of these for what they’re worth. Posted by: beq | Aug 22 2007 12:17 utc | 13 Police accused of using provocateurs at summit
Mentions yellow triangles on the soles of their shoes… What yellow triangles? Does it simply mean the shoes were government issued, or is this some sort of electronic tracking system? Posted by: Alamet | Aug 22 2007 14:57 utc | 14 Unc, if you jump fast, there is another set with a buy it now. Posted by: Ensley | Aug 22 2007 17:05 utc | 15 @Alamet: Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Aug 22 2007 17:11 utc | 16 Alamet, you’re referring to an incident that occurred at an organized protest located off-site of the Mexico, US Canada summit in Quebec. Posted by: jonku | Aug 22 2007 17:12 utc | 17 Thanks jonku – interesting three folks with the same shoes …. Hi y’all – and thanks jonku for the link. Youtube: Vid of agent provocateurs in Canada caught on film. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 22 2007 18:48 utc | 20 $camMasterFlash– My $.02 on the Vibram boot soles… Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 22 2007 19:35 utc | 23 Thanks Uncle, RossK. To add insult to injury as the say, what even more of a depravity is the thuggs standing around on people graves Grave walkers? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2007 19:55 utc | 25 Also, here. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2007 19:58 utc | 26 correction: pay ’em a coffee/beer .. This reminds me of the Germans being on top of it enough to stop Am. Agents @the border during a recent Predators Summit (in Hamburg?) who were trying to smuggle in plastic explosives. Posted by: jj | Aug 22 2007 21:04 utc | 28 Folks, you’ll see a lot of this during the next years. It’s nothing new though. There are ways to get through it and to be successful. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2007 21:42 utc | 29 norman finklestein’s moving elegy for scholar raul hilberg Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 22 2007 21:55 utc | 30 Dear b, Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Aug 22 2007 23:55 utc | 31 Yet another article in this vein, with the exception of an broader analysis… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 2:38 utc | 32 This is BIG! and getting bigger, This is becoming a huge story. (of course everywhere but here in America)
Finally, the most devious tactics of suppression are being OUTED and PREVENTED.
G. Gordon Liddy, in his autobiography “Will,” recounts many such stories as dressing-up as a “hippie” to infiltrate and disrupt protests using violence. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 3:05 utc | 33 Protestors need not fear, the feds are “shutting down” the TALON database which they used to store “anti-terror” info… like the identities of peaceful protestors.
Not enough déjà vu for you? Try this… a side-by-side comparison of Fox News’ drumbeat towards the invasion of Iraq with their coverage of the runup to the invasion of Iran: Fox Attacks Iran. Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 23 2007 3:33 utc | 34 on monday, the warlord mayor of mogadishu, dheere, turned up the rhetoric & really pissed off a lot of people. shabelle media reported:
garowe online’s report that day added
one of the public voices condemning dheere’s remarks came from the somali justice minister, as covered by garowe online
but the article also suggests a bit of historical clan rivalry figures into this
still, the news service for the u.n.’s humanitarian operations, irin, picked up on the story backing up dhimbil’s concerns
enter reuters, who were obviously not a recipient of that call for holding dheere accountable (or were they?)
not a mention of the controversy over his remarks on monday that was covered locally. instead, plain spin for the international audiences. Posted by: b real | Aug 23 2007 4:19 utc | 35 Goss Rejected Advice on Probe Into CIA’s Role Before Sept. 11
Porter Goss, a former CIA director, rejected advice that an outside panel evaluate the performance of his predecessor.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 5:17 utc | 36 Uncle what does Porter Goss have to do w/Nov. 11?? Posted by: jj | Aug 23 2007 5:27 utc | 37 Here comes that manic laughter again…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 6:00 utc | 38 gee, i wonder how seattles WTO fiasco enters into this? Posted by: annie | Aug 23 2007 6:47 utc | 40 b- Regarding the comments on the Canadian Protest….Thanks Not surprisingly, //saltspringnews.com is brimming w/exc. articles on the conference for the destruction of Canada & America, as well as protests. RossK, if you’re still around, is knowledge of the disaster being planned widespread in Canada? Did the issue get widespread mass media play w/the conference, or is yr. media as much of a state propaganda apparatus as ours? Posted by: jj | Aug 23 2007 8:26 utc | 42 jj– Wow, big ups Bernhard. Posted by: jonku | Aug 23 2007 10:29 utc | 44 Fed bailout for Countrywide:
2 billion in Countrywide “bonds” and 4×500 million from the Fed to 4 banks in exchange for “commercial debt” as collateral. Foley, Police at Odds Over Computers
WHY THE FUCK AM I READING THIS IN THE UK! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 11:28 utc | 46 White House Declares Office E-Mails Off-Limits
WHERE THE FUCK DOES IT SAY THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION? These fucks just make up shit as the go now? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 11:34 utc | 47 another article today to go w/ #35
still no mention of any of this from reuters, which shapes int’l awareness to the benefit of the occupation, meaning largely u.s. agenda/influence.
[insert nir rosen’s observation from monday’s interview on democracynow — there is a general aversion on the part of the US administration towards any Islamist movement or government. This is why they brought down the Islamic Courts in Somalia, this is why they overthrew the Hamas democratically elected government in Palestine, this is why they refuse to deal with Hezbollah, an overwhelmingly popular movement in Lebanon: I think a fear of any successful Islamist model.]
remember that it was the council which helped provide the justification for the illegal invasion & occupation of somalia in the first place. Posted by: b real | Aug 23 2007 15:02 utc | 48 jonku- that’s a big subject — it’s a huge, diverse continent — and i don’t have anything fantastic handy to link to for you right now outside of what you can find on your own, such as wikipedia, africa guide, or the cia factbook on individual nations. Posted by: b real | Aug 23 2007 15:31 utc | 49 Remarkable oped nobody printed by Ret. Maj. Gen. John Batiste, a very conservative guy:
A friend sent an email with this link and comment: Implode-o-Meter
Posted by: catlady | Aug 23 2007 18:16 utc | 51 In comment 45 I claimed the 4 involved banks to rescue Countrywide would make “a killing” without risk on the Fed’s (your) dime:
Now that’s what I call a sweet deal. Where is my bonus? Official Air Force document outlines military assistance to insurgencies
Wait a moment, isn’t that exactly what Bush has been screaming Iran is doing?????? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 23 2007 21:14 utc | 54 b real, thanks for your notes and suggestions. I grew up thinking Africa was unfathomable. Posted by: jonku | Aug 23 2007 22:08 utc | 55 My thanks to everyone for the links and explanations about the provocateurs at the Canadian demo. The video especially is a classic! Posted by: Alamet | Aug 23 2007 22:33 utc | 56 b real Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 23 2007 23:25 utc | 58 jonku@55, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 23 2007 23:34 utc | 59 to be precise, “partitioning” @59 above should read “barbaric & arbitrary partitioning” Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 23 2007 23:41 utc | 60 U.S. missile shield is provocation: Austrian minister
And meanwhile, up here in Canuckistan the police provocateurs unmask themselves. RossK, Posted by: Rick | Aug 24 2007 4:04 utc | 63 Snake Eaters Keeping Busy Department
Posted by: Rick | Aug 24 2007 4:11 utc | 64 yes, r’giap, pilger’s work here is essential. hopefully enough u.s. citizens will see it & find ways to bring about change.
and caught this in a story on the ongoing national reconciliation conference in mogadishu
a while back i linked to a rpt or two claiming, before the conference began, that visiting u.n. delegates were carrying suitcases of cash to bribe organizers & participants. hmmm. Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 4:24 utc | 65 thanks for linking the war on democracy again b real, i finally got the chance to watch it. Posted by: annie | Aug 24 2007 5:14 utc | 66 b real 48: Posted by: Sam | Aug 24 2007 7:04 utc | 67 Annie, gee, i wonder how seattles WTO fiasco enters into this? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 24 2007 7:27 utc | 68
Posted by: annie | Aug 24 2007 7:27 utc | 69 I’d like to direct your attention to some research that explains the surprising success of Bush and the Republicans in the United States.
From the article,
No wonder he keeps saying “so we don’t have to fight them here.” Posted by: jonku | Aug 24 2007 9:14 utc | 70 sam @67- you are correct. rosen left off a qualifier in his observation, so i’ll add it for him – a fear of any successful independent Islamist model. Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 14:45 utc | 71 @71 – the Islamist model to go along w/ that new AFRICOM promotion of col. higgins to head special ops (mentioned in #65), WRT the other appt, that of maj. gen. altshuler to be director of plans & programs,
from an spring 2006 article on him, titled “The Army’s top civil affairs commander,”
Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 15:28 utc | 73 b @72 – yes, the primary fear is of political islam & not a clash of religious ideologies. the u.s. financial attacks on al-barakat & the overall hawala system in somalia had less to do w/ alleged ties to terrorist financing than w/ destroying an economic appartus outside of the west’s control. Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 15:40 utc | 74 oops. some of the txt was cut off in the blockquote in #73. should read
Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 15:42 utc | 75 b real Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 24 2007 16:42 utc | 76 & i wished i shared the optimism of pilger – he is a good man – & perhaps the last of that generation that created real journalists Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 24 2007 17:25 utc | 77 @ monolycus – U.S.-Korean Food Fight
Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2007 18:52 utc | 78 The latest post by Brenda Norrell about our ongoing effort to keep the brown hordes from overrunning Arizona: Posted by: jake | Aug 24 2007 19:57 utc | 79 YO – Calling Financial Literates. Posted by: jj | Aug 24 2007 20:13 utc | 80 VOA has more on the story at #’s 35 & 48
if indeed the somali & ethiopian troops are undergoing an operation involving these refugee camps, it makes the recent reports that rwanda forces are training the somali troops all the more ominous, considering kagame’s history of military operations on refugee camps in congo. and speaking of rwanda & the congo, there’s an increase in conflict once again inside the latter & involving the former along w/ uganda. haven’t been following it closely enough yet, but african news analysis has some coverage including the effects on burundi. Posted by: b real | Aug 25 2007 3:35 utc | 81 Like NAFTA, the FTA will forever change Korea’s agricultural economy. Posted by: jj | Aug 25 2007 12:34 utc | 83 Michael Vick & Dog-Fighting Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 25 2007 13:00 utc | 84 Even hersh can’t figure it out.
@jonku, #70, on the rhetoric of death threats– Posted by: catlady | Aug 25 2007 15:46 utc | 86 Vick = two minutes hate at the Circus. Brings the fan- atics to a feverish pitch. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 25 2007 16:08 utc | 87 Personal tragedy as news. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 25 2007 16:12 utc | 88 with Vicks troubles, dog-fighting may no longer constitute one of America’s dirty-little-secrets. At least for now. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 25 2007 16:49 utc | 89 re Vick – Posted by: jj | Aug 25 2007 20:13 utc | 90 some fool on al jazeera”s ‘inside iraq’ – a certain jack berkman(?) – sd iraq’s democracy “is movinh along, nicely” – what world do these fuckwits come from Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 25 2007 21:14 utc | 92 didn’t somebody buy up al jazeerah and kick out the old staff? replace it w/a ‘moderate’ which is just another name for a US flakey Posted by: annie | Aug 25 2007 21:39 utc | 93 I will not mention the name of the rich & famous Black running-back from USC who was tried for killing his White wife, because this is not about him. My point specifically relates to the conduct of the judicial system & police. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 25 2007 21:50 utc | 94 Here is a very interesting story that has been raging in the US for a while but I don’t believe I’ve seen it mentioned here (although I’ve been in and out so I might have missed it). Posted by: Bea | Aug 25 2007 22:16 utc | 95 A courageous rabbi accuses those who smeared Debbie AlMontaser, the principal of the new Arabic school in NYC who was fired for defining the word “Intifada” to a reporter, of the basest and worst McCarthyite tactics — a “lynching.” This long article in Jewish Week has good details on the story. Posted by: Bea | Aug 25 2007 22:28 utc | 96 a little research. he is more commonly known as jackas berkman & he is of course a republican strategist – just the sort of corrupt guest the new al jazeera needs Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 25 2007 22:39 utc | 97 how is it that Michael Vick was able to OPENLY run his dog-fighting operation for years without getting into trouble. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 25 2007 23:45 utc | 98 something i haven’t heard anyone else mention yet in the dogfighting case–how much of the response has to do with the bonding that goes on between people and their pets? there’s the whole pet-as-child furkid thing, but dog people develop a pack bond that is somewhat different from what cat people do. different body language, different emotional connection. (for the RAW readers, all that circuit 1-2 language) Posted by: catlady | Aug 26 2007 0:13 utc | 99 Bea, did you see Foxman has already backed down on that, but hasn’t agreed to put the guy he canned back on the board. The requisite background on that is listening to Sibel Edmonds running down how closely related AIPAC guys are to the drug-running generals running Turkey. Foxman has to shut it down quickly before that stuff comes out, or caracasses could start piling up quickly. Posted by: jj | Aug 26 2007 1:25 utc | 100 |
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