No post today, as I’m a bit tired and in need of some mental diversion. So I’ll leave you with Evil himself.
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August 12, 2007
OT 07-55
No post today, as I’m a bit tired and in need of some mental diversion. So I’ll leave you with Evil himself.
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Study: Sierra trees dying at alarming rate Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 12 2007 18:45 utc | 1 Why was this interview not stuffed down Cheney’s throat four years ago? It should’ve aired every time some other hack got up and explained why we had to invade. Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 12 2007 18:51 utc | 2 Where would you put it, beq? *eg* Posted by: jake | Aug 12 2007 20:10 utc | 4 I can see youtube. Cost about £20 a month. What an amazing video. Posted by: Argh | Aug 12 2007 20:31 utc | 5 i can see you tube, no problem. Posted by: annie | Aug 12 2007 20:57 utc | 6
me
because Opera does not like embedded video. If you provided a link I did not have to open Firefox, not that it is much of a hassle, but you asked. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Aug 12 2007 21:25 utc | 7 “in ceremonies of the horseman Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 12 2007 22:03 utc | 8 A rollercoaster week just gone, b, when some of what Moonkind ™ had long suspected would eventually come to pass in US financial markets finally started to. Undoubtedly more to come. No suprise you’re knacked, rest up.
First time I’ve seen that figure of $2,000bn mentioned. Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 12 2007 22:03 utc | 9 Amerikans should consider Alexander Cockburn’s incisive:
You get it pretty much what some of us have been saying here at MoA for a while. The difference is Cockburn is far more succinct and less likely to be distracted by the side issues.
So people hate the war, Blind Freddy can see it aint working yet the political system has demonstrated that there is zero chance of the war being ended through traditional democratic processes like election. Yet how do people react?
(sorry B I will try not to paste the entire article here) Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 12 2007 22:36 utc | 10 I posted this earlier on ot-54 and am concerned that it will end up buried so am reposting it here. I hope folks here will take me seriously and help out – our window of opportunity is not large. Thanks in advance for any thoughts, including b’s on the other thread. Posted by: conchita | Aug 12 2007 23:04 utc | 11 Dr. Yueh, this seems to be the Major work on the subject. googling dying trees california also brings up interesting stuff. It’s not just Southern Ca., it’s also NCal, Mich, Germany, etc. And, we’ve discussed the Amazon being very close to the tipping point. Posted by: jj | Aug 12 2007 23:35 utc | 12 @ jj and Dr. Yueh – Hemlocks are dying in western Va. Posted by: beq | Aug 13 2007 1:02 utc | 13 conchita Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 13 2007 1:29 utc | 14 In a nutshell, Nadler supports impeachment – but he wants to wait until there is a Dem president in office to begin the investigations.
as long as money is coming in, big-time for the defense companies who own them, the Democrats will be absolutely no better than the Republicans about ending this war. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 13 2007 2:11 utc | 15 but we have to see behind all them, there is something Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 13 2007 2:34 utc | 16 my 2 cents Posted by: b real | Aug 13 2007 3:35 utc | 18 debs is dead- I have replied to Did’s concerns on the Red Lights Blinking thread, and conchita’s on the last open thread. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 13 2007 6:35 utc | 21 The numbers of weapons is staggering …
Chevron Corp. wants into Iraq. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 13 2007 7:41 utc | 25 Bill Lind on how to win in Iraq. Makes (nearly) perfect sense, so its no doubt off the table. Posted by: anna missed | Aug 13 2007 8:22 utc | 26 @Debs Posted by: Bea | Aug 13 2007 8:47 utc | 27
Karl Rove, a political adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and a lightning rod for anger among Democrats, will leave the White House at the end of this month, Rove told the Wall Street Journal. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2007 9:01 utc | 29 It touches me that Rove cares so much for his family that he puts them ahead of powermongering. Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 13 2007 9:10 utc | 30 Oh well. Not so much about Rove. Just the mess. [read first/post later] Posted by: beq | Aug 13 2007 9:45 utc | 33 In a month? Posted by: Malooga | Aug 13 2007 10:02 utc | 34 Don’t laugh Malooga. link Posted by: beq | Aug 13 2007 11:14 utc | 37 That uppity dark person from Caracas is getting even more uppity. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2007 13:01 utc | 38 Something ain’t right… Rove Resigns The man known as “Bush’s Brain” and whom Frontline called “The Architect” will leave office at the end of August. Oh, I wouldn’t relax if I were you for several reasons… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 13 2007 14:21 utc | 39 @ Did #10 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2007 14:38 utc | 40 Oops! That was my post, and here is a link of relevance. Posted by: jake | Aug 13 2007 14:46 utc | 41 human rights watch rpt out today on
some context that i didn’t see mentioned in a quick scan of the background in the rpt
Pentagon Sees Covert Move in Somalia as Blueprint
and
Posted by: b real | Aug 13 2007 14:54 utc | 42 b real @ 42 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2007 15:20 utc | 43 Oh, I wouldn’t relax if I were you for several reasons… Posted by: Bea | Aug 13 2007 16:16 utc | 44 malooga and uncle, thanks for your thoughts as well. this isn’t going to be a battle easily won, but that won’t keep me from trying. we are looking at a variety of avenues to nadler, and money and votes are two of them. and, yep, we are banding together locally and coordinating with groups across the country via afterdowningstreet.com. deciding now between a poll, petition, and a letter writing campaign as the best way to prove where his constituency stands. there’s not much time left in august and we need to make the most of it. Posted by: conchita | Aug 13 2007 16:21 utc | 45 Three things about Rove.
Posted by: beq | Aug 13 2007 16:54 utc | 46 Cheney. That was then, this is now. Then, sanctions were supposed to destroy Iraq, and/or lead to a popular uprising that would finish in a bloodbath. That was plan A and there was no point in wasting resources on plan B, and as Cheney said, ‘we would have been alone.’ (From memory, I didn’t watch the vid. though I surely can.) Posted by: Noizette | Aug 13 2007 17:36 utc | 47 Interesting thougth from Froomkin:
@jake – 40 – there is nothing to fear but fear itself … ethiopian forces add their own exclamation point to today’s hrw report on war crimes in mogadishu (see #42 above)
— Posted by: b real | Aug 13 2007 19:25 utc | 50 How to have a bloodless revolution: Posted by: pb | Aug 13 2007 20:54 utc | 51 secrecynews: American War Casualties: Lists and Statistics
Posted by: b real | Aug 13 2007 21:00 utc | 52 @B real and Jake I agree completely that the specifics, even the possibility of direct action is not the sort of stuff to be discussed on the web or other indirect forms of communication. I’m sorry if I gave the impression that I thought we should talk about it at MoA. I was alluding to the nature of the discussions at MoA about effecting change. Any analysis of those shows that people are arguing for change using non-violent methodologies. My own recent decisions were by way of an observation on possible motives of many of those who are outspoken about this horror. Yes there are many young people who loathe this horror but for whatever reason, they aren’t in the main expressing that outrage. That is not a negative criticism. Their reasons are valid. Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 13 2007 21:49 utc | 53 Call for a US General Strike Sep 11 07
Posted by: DeAnander | Aug 13 2007 22:20 utc | 54 I Just spent several minutes spreading the news far and wide…DeAnander , it’s time. Thanks. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 14 2007 0:26 utc | 56 conchita, this one’s for you. Posted by: a | Aug 14 2007 3:18 utc | 61 hey, i have thought about doing this (a) for a long time because i am lazy. Posted by: a | Aug 14 2007 3:19 utc | 62 how times have changed. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 14 2007 5:10 utc | 63 this is not a knock against Western intellect: Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 14 2007 5:40 utc | 64 I don’t know which is worse – that some idiots proposed a “general strike” or that such astute observers as DeA- & our Uncle support it. Posted by: jj | Aug 14 2007 7:10 utc | 65 I forgot: Repeal the “Patriot Act”, the Mil. Commissions Act, the confiscation of assets of protestors,… and any other of these bills I’ve forgotten about. Posted by: jj | Aug 14 2007 7:11 utc | 66 I have to agree with jj here. baaaahhhhhhhhhh………. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 14 2007 12:41 utc | 67 Interesting portrait of Hariri junior, billonaire and U.S. acclaimed ruler over Lebanon:
The Hariri robbery in Lebanon was one of the biggest in world history. Palestinian Doctor Paints Picture of Gaza Under Siege
Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 14:49 utc | 69 A few interesting analyses of the executive orders Bush issued last week criminalizing anyone who “undermines democracy” in Lebanon or Iraq:
In short, insanity. Since when does the president of one country have the right to declare a citizen of another country who merely supported a particular political line an enemy of the United States?
Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 15:41 utc | 70 Enconomy watch:
Home Depot profit slumps on housing weakness
Plus a hurricane coming into the Mexican Gulf that will further drive up oil prices … Iraqi Interior Ministry Buying Arms from the Mafia; US Unaware
Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 16:03 utc | 72 US Troops in Iraq at Present in Largest Numbers Ever
Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 16:10 utc | 73 This may have already been posted here, I am not sure, but if not, it is well worth reading. It is a long, in-depth look at the similarities between US policy in Palestine and Lebanon, written by Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a Lebanese scholar of political science, who is staunchly opposed to those policies.
Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 17:08 utc | 74 From TPM:
Ah, we are so very far down the slippery slope now that we are all, one nation indivisible, in free fall into the bottomless pit… Posted by: Bea | Aug 14 2007 17:24 utc | 75 @Bea – 75 – every move the Nazi’s made in Germany after 1933 was covered by the rule of law. If it wasn’t, they made a new law. If that wasn’t sufficient, the leader issued an emergency order, if that wasn’t sufficient, the judges ruled the way that was needed. More economy: Sentinel management seeks to halt redemptions: report
A f—— money market mutal fund, not some hedgies. re the owner of horn afrik killed in mogadishu on saturday, this connection sounds interesting… would certainly like to learn more about it.
sharmarke was a somali who had fled to canada in the mid-90’s and then returned in 1999 w/ two biz partners to set up a couple media outlets in somalia. Posted by: b real | Aug 14 2007 19:57 utc | 78 The impact of protest and activism Posted by: DeAnander | Aug 14 2007 20:17 utc | 79 Foolish myths by a drunk, bet Giap can nail this fucker to a cross.
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2007 20:41 utc | 80 Surge progress in Iraq – At least 175 killed in north Iraq bombings: army
Jim Henley over at Unqualified Offerings reads the Benito Ghouliani foreign policy manifesto so you don’t have to. Posted by: ran | Aug 15 2007 2:35 utc | 83 Iran declares U.S. Marines Terrorist Organization
Terrorists -> no Geneva convention -> bombs free … I just listened to the.Commonwealth Club inteview of June 2, 2006 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2007 5:22 utc | 86 @b: @CP – oh my – Hitchens? Is there any greater idiot? Hmmm? Oh, yes, there are a great many greater idiots. Practically everyone Hitchens has ever debated on the topic of religion, to start with. Hitchens knows his subject quite well, and every time he debates somebody, his opponents end up having to rely on personal attacks because they can’t rebut him. (Or else fall back on “you can’t prove there’s no god la la la la I can’t hear you”, which is an admission of defeat.) But war isn’t his subject. Hitchens takes the standpoint that established religion harms people, that fundamentalist Islam is the worst religion now extant in this respect, that moderate Islam leads to fundamentalist Islam, and that a successful secular government in Iraq would be a blow against the ascendancy of Islam in the mideast. He goes wrong in making the following four specific assumptions: (1) that the U.S. (and/or its allies or the U.N.) can impose a secular government on Iraq, (2) that a secular government once imposed would be successful, (3) that the process of imposition of a secular government in Iraq does less harm than just leaving Iraq alone, and (4) that the imposition of a secular government is an actual goal of the U.S. in its invasion of Iraq. Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Aug 15 2007 5:53 utc | 87 Uncle $cam, this one is for you:
Times Online Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 9:35 utc | 88 Not that those of us who live in the US needed another reason to move, but in case you did, here it is:
Ya think? Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 9:44 utc | 89 Siegman in the LRB: The Great Middle East Peace Scam
*Recommended* Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 11:28 utc | 90 This is so sad.
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free; send these, the homeless tempest-tossed, to me; I lift my lamp beside the golden door.” Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 11:57 utc | 92 bea – make sure the links you paste in have the “http://” prefix in them (i.e., not just startings w/ “www.xxxxxx”). otherwise the links don’t work. Posted by: b real | Aug 15 2007 14:40 utc | 93 kolko: An economy of buccaneers and fantasists Posted by: b real | Aug 15 2007 14:57 utc | 94 Posted by: annie | Aug 15 2007 15:39 utc | 95 Oh dear, I am sorry for posting so many dud links. Let’s try that again: Posted by: Bea | Aug 15 2007 16:03 utc | 96 gee, something happened to my 95 post. it was supposed to say “thanks bea” where i inked and then my comment . Posted by: annie | Aug 15 2007 16:40 utc | 97 JJ’s arguments (against general strike) are good ones. But: Posted by: Tangerine (ex Noirette) | Aug 15 2007 16:46 utc | 98 I think civil disobedience on a large community-wide scale can start things off. Posted by: Jake | Aug 15 2007 17:07 utc | 99 this goes along w/ b’s #76 above
it’s a bird! it’s a plane! aw shit, it’s just another frickin’ spy satellite Posted by: b real | Aug 15 2007 17:43 utc | 100 |
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