Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 10, 2007
One Million Killed in Iraq

Back in February I roughly extrapolated the Lancet study on excess death calculation on Iraq.

By end of June 2007 the estimated number of war-related dead will have exceeded 1,000,000.

The folks at Just Foreign Policy have done a more thorough review and as of this writing their counter shows:

1,000,938 Iraqi Death Due to U.S. Invasion

Craig Murray has the dignity to acknowledge that We Killed One Million People – Yes, You and I Did

Not one of us has done enough to stop it.

Craig in his piece seems to restrict the guilt to the people of the U.S. and the UK. But even though I’m not part of either (and have quite problem with his christian concept of guilt anyway) I’ll pick up my share here.

I could have done more than I did to stop this. And I should have done more.

Craig continues:

Of course we don’t know the exact number of Iraqi dead. Nobody does – dead civilians are not considered important enough to count by the occupying forces. I don’t care if the estimate of a million is 50% out, either way. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died a terrible death, and we caused it. Not one of us has yet done enough to stop it. The guilt lies heaviest on Bush, Blair and Cheney.

But it lies on you and me too.

Many more will die before this is over but we must do more to lower the final number.

The song "Bestow Us Peace Graciously" (don’t watch, just listen) was written by Heinrich Schütz in 1648, the end of the 30 years of war that killed a third of my people, most of them children, and millions beyond.

We are in danger to lose the lecture payed with that very hefty due – the lecture of the Westphalian Peace and its promise of sovereignty, equality and non-intervention between nations.

That seems to be out of mode today and sticking to it does include to sometimes look away from evil happening somewhere.

Still, if you research a bit on the singular event of that war, and the reasons why these laws were instituted to end it, you will see that its purpose was and is to prevent worse: pseudo religious/humanitarian war campaigns for the profit of few at the expense of many.

The Westphalian peace contract effectively rejects legitimacy to egoistic marketing campaigns that promote to Safe Kanukistan/Eliminat Whateverism by bombing the shit out of this or that country.

History proves that this is less costly in human terms than to prevent some bloody internal strife in this or that realm.

We need to get back to that agreement. I hope without paying such a hefty due again.

But the price to pay depends on you and me.

Comments

Such as…? I would like very much to do more but am not sure how/what.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 10 2007 20:27 utc | 1

#1 Yes, what?

Posted by: beq | Aug 10 2007 21:17 utc | 2

C’mon let’s not be naive here. People who believe they should try and stop any more killing must realise what they have to do. If you live in a state which is actively involved in the perpetuation of this slaughter, you must consciously weigh up exactly how much that slaughter offends you.
If it does offend you as much as many peole here feel it does and you have admitted that all of the protesting, lobbying politicians and ‘education’ that has been done this far hasn’t made a jot of difference, it must be time to take it to the next level and actually risk something.
I’m not saying you must do that. Hell it is easy for me because I am currently living in a country whose government saw the implications early and ceased involvement. That isn’t anything I have done, maybe it makes me feel like the Fred MacMurray character in the Caine mutiny, by taking a moral stance while remaining uninvolved. That is far from a virtuous position. Nevertheless if we do belong to the societies we live in then we must ask. How much do people hate what their government is doing?
If they hate it enough to take the action which may put them at physical and material risk, then they know what they should do much better than anyone else could tell them.
If on the other hand they find they care about what is happening to the people of Iraq, but not so much that they want to make the sacrifices which would be neccessary to force their government into stopping, then they need to take a long look at exactly who they are and why they are taking a position that exceeds their preparedness to act on it. Otherwise they risk becoming the sort of people that markfromireland was so disparaging of.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 10 2007 22:33 utc | 3

Do we have any idea of the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam? When you mention the number dead since the 2003 invasion, you often hear, “..but Saddam killed millions!” I’m not suggesting that Saddam’s legacy should be a standard of comparison, but I’d be interested in the estimates of deaths during his brutal regime. My gut feeling is that it is considerably fewer than the number of Iraqis killed in this US-led invasion.

Posted by: j | Aug 11 2007 2:35 utc | 4

@Bea/beq – I can’t tell you what to do. It’s a personal decission you have to make yourself.
@4 – the Iraq/Iran war killed some two hundred thousand people and turning down tribal, Shia and Kurd mutinies may have killed as much. I doubt he reached a million in total …

Posted by: b | Aug 11 2007 4:36 utc | 5

Sixty years ago, the poet Robert Lowell explained the United States in a poem called Children of Light:
Our fathers wrung their bread from stocks and stones
And fenced their gardens with the Redman’s bones;
Embarking from the Nether Land of Holland,
Pilgrims unhouseled by Geneva’s night,
They planted here the Serpent’s seeds of light;
And here the pivoting searchlights probe to shock
The riotous glass houses built on rock,
And candles gutter by an empty altar,
And light is where the landless blood of Cain
Is burning, burning the unburied grain.
This is America. It’s been slaughtering the Other for almost 400 years, and will continue to do so for another 400 years–or until such time as it’s wiped off the face of the earth.
It’s a theological machine–“Geneva’s night” producing the “blood of Cain”.
Calvin, our country’s founding theocrat, wrote this script, not Martin Luther. Calvin, if given the chance, would have burned Heinrich Schütz at the stake, just as he burned Michael Servetus at the stake. Because the “children of light” don’t write poems, or paint pictures, or compose beautiful music: they build bombs and tanks and airplanes, and they massacre men, women and children.

Posted by: alabama | Aug 11 2007 6:07 utc | 6

@alabamba I dunno if that analysis is entirely fair. It has seemed from here that when amerika won it’s independence they killed the very thing they were fighting for, but that wasn’t conscious. many people went to amerika to get away from tyranny and imperialism, however they didn’t realise that there was a thread of a seperate culture which had been growing since the war of independence.
After the initial debacles between untrained militias and trained professional soldiers on the british side Washington realised he needed to get some professionals as well. Most amerikans heard about the hessians, friesian soldiers fighting on the British side but the importation of european mercenaries into the amerikan side is generally skated over in amerikan history. Many of the mercenaries stayed on as they had a place in the power structure of the new country which wasn’t usually available to foreign mercenaries in the old countries.
A new militarism developed which was easy for the majority of amerikans to ignore. it was busy killing the first people. The Civil war provided a major fillip to the militaristic culture who then moved onto fighting the Spanish colonies of Latin America when it ended. the military was still growing but still largely uninvolved with mainstream amerika.
It really wasn’t until WW1 that amerikans experienced the militaristic culture being used to oppress themselves, but few really had close up experience of bisbee or west virginia strikebreaking. those oppressed were manly new arrivals and they didn’t seem to matter as much as a second generation amerikan.
By the end of ww2 when militarism had taken control it was almost too late. I doubt much of the hidden nature of the militaristic thread of amerika was deliberate. It has happened though and needs to be undone somehow. If only because as has been said many times, the alternatives are far worse for amerikans.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 11 2007 7:52 utc | 7

Gentle, non-judgemental, non-confrontational, non-exhaustive conversations with people who seem to be in an educable moment due to the cognitive dissonance of it all seems productive to me.
I don’t want to get a reputation around here as the guy who thinks everything he overhears in the boonies is meaningful, but last week on the way to NYC, in a tiny grocery store in a tiny town where you can still get 25 cent donuts and 45 cent coffee, a woman stating that this war on terror is never gonna end received just grunts of acknowledgment. Left unstated was why. At any rate there is a much stronger, deep-rooted isolationist streak in this country than people think. It was not eradicated in 1917, 1941, or 1948, or 2001, only driven into hiding by massive media effort.
“We should not be the policemen of the world” is something most Americans will get behind, hell it was the essence of a Bush campaign position involving humble foreign policy etc.

Posted by: boxcar mike | Aug 11 2007 13:57 utc | 8

Debs is dead, I agree with you that the analysis isn’t fair: it can’t be fair because it’s a categorical judgment that doesn’t allow for nuance or exception–and the crucial fact about this country is its openness to nuance and exception qualifying the categorical judgment in question. The War of Independence, the effort to liberate the slaves, not to mention our productivity in the arts and sciences–these are exceptions, all, to the categorical judgment proposed, and should be taken as signs of its unfairness.
So why take the chance of being unfair?
We are in the grips of a “machine” far more powerful than any government, political party, or political movement. We need to take the measure of ourselves as a “war machine”. It’s a thing of which we are largely unaware, if only because no mind can begin to comprehend its magnitude. A pie-chart–whose website is called “The Federal Pie-chart”–argues that 51% of our federal budget is committed to military expenditures (it arrives at this figure by including benefits for veterans). I, for one, can only take a magnitude of this size on faith; I cannot comprehend it or imagine it. Nor, for that matter, can I comprehend any smaller pie-charts arguing for smaller sums. The whole thing is too big for my mind. And not just with respect to dollars, but with respect to our institutional investments: for example, I know of no major American university that could survive the elimination of its support from DOD.
How shall we take the measure of something so incalculably huge–as indeed we have to do? What does this entail?
Well, we have to allow for the possibility that the thing itself is structural, and that it can be found, built into the enterprise, from the moment we hit the ground. Robert Lowell, in the little poem I cited above, has decided to do exactly that: he finds a background–an Anglo-European background that launched the enterprise from the other side of the Atlantic–that is theological in nature; it stems from a notion of “election,” Calvinist in origin and style, that gives the “elect” the green light to kill other people in the name of the Lord. Luther never does this, and in fact the Roman Catholic church doesn’t do it either. Calvin and his European followers do. I think Lowell’s insight is taken well, and so I’ve adopted it as my own “point of departure” (he got it, of course, from Hawthorne, Melville, Poe, Thoreau and Emily Dickinson, to mention a few of his favorites).
We were killing Indians from the get-go, largely from a lust for property (“Our fathers fenced their gardens with the Red-man’s bones”). This is a fact, military in essence, preceding the “War of Independence” by almost two centuries. Something rooted as deeply as this–much as we may deplore it–can be said to exercise its control over our thoughts and our deeds.
To close with an example ( one that I’ve mentioned hereabouts from time to time): can you name a single American, currently holding, or running for, elective office, who has denounced the war in Iraq as a crime against our fellow man, one for which we should be held accountable? With no “ifs,” “ands,” or “buts”? I’ve looked for that person at every level of government for the past four years, and I haven’t yet found him or her. I take this to mean that either no elected official considers the war to be a crime, or that none would dare to denounce it as such: to denounce it would require an insupportably searching analysis of our history, our structure, our ways of being who we are. I therefore turn to our unelected authors for some guidance in the matter, and the guidance is there for those of us who seek it. Call it a starting-point, if you will–one that gives us some room to breathe.

Posted by: alabama | Aug 11 2007 16:57 utc | 9

Thank you, Alabama, for your thoughts and Lowell’s devastating poetry.
It is difficult
to get the news from poems
yet men die miserably every day
for lack
of what is found there.”
—William Carlos Williams
“Asphodel, That Greeny Flower”

Posted by: catlady | Aug 11 2007 18:43 utc | 10

& old wcw wasn’t so bad either

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 11 2007 18:49 utc | 11

it is george steiner’s question again – a nation that can produce the likes of lowell & williams & who possess publics – is the same nation that produces men who -go & go & go & go – & commit the horror of haditha

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 11 2007 18:51 utc | 12

“Nation” encompasses a geographical region and a governmental power structure. Those whose upbringing leads them to that power become products of the ongoing International War.
Those whose upbringing leads them to reflection and compassion are products of the ongoing Beloved Community.
I am American, to my sorrow. I am a musician, blessed be.

Posted by: catlady | Aug 11 2007 19:01 utc | 13

b, can you make a link to the picture I sent you “pennies from heaven”? or perhaps it should be “american gothic, same as it ever was” — as a compliment to alabama’s post.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 11 2007 19:35 utc | 14

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/upload/2007/07/KaneLancet.pdf
is a new study which disputes the Lancet published work. Iraq Body Count has a muchh lower (if still atrocious set of numbers), http://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial/defended/3.6.2.php

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 11 2007 19:45 utc | 15

@ boxcar mike #8 – “Gentle, non-judgemental, non-confrontational, non-exhaustive conversations with people who seem to be in an educable moment due to the cognitive dissonance of it all seems productive to me.”
Agreed.
Where I’ve been and where I’ll probably be until I see another way.

Posted by: beq | Aug 11 2007 19:51 utc | 16

@15 – whoever you are, Iraq Body Count is simply adding irrelevant US military controlled Associate Press figures.
The Lancet Study was a thorough statistical pear revied scientific study. If you have something to say about that, say it.
The Kane stuff you link to is quack: The Lancet authors cannot reject the null hypothesis that mortality in Iraq is unchanged. Sure, there were not more death during war than during peace. The author and you must smoke some stroing stuff (or get lots of money) to piddle such stuff.

Posted by: b | Aug 11 2007 20:02 utc | 17

echoing beq:
Yes, that is perhaps all that we can do, but that is a whole lot.
Out society is makes so little sense, is so violent and irrational, that almost everyone is caught up in some small part of the web of cognitive dissonance. The only trick is to find where this web has touched a particular individual and address it with love and support — for unraveling cognitive dissonance always releases fear and feelings of abandonment, as previously strongly held views of government being “the good guys who are there for us and to protect us” dies a painful death. We must create a new society based upon local and global community ties of support and affinity to replace the old cadaverous spectre.
More later.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 11 2007 20:04 utc | 18

it is clear from all the evidence that over 1 million people have been killed in iraq
that this constitutes a war crime should be beyond doubt to the most jaded jurist
that the people who launched this illegal & immoral war should be in the hague, today
that this homicidal war is just the beginning because it is evident that this war is being augmented with extrajudicial assasinations in the phillippines, that in pakistan people are being murdered as a form of game by the i s i to prove they are not the bandits we know them to be, that in egypt it is now custom to jail & torture opponents
on & on
& in europe – the complicity in these crimes augments as they worsen
our prick of a president has just met your prick of a president & no doubt they will have a good laugh about the extinguishing of life
it is the bloody role of the resistance of iraq to bring this empire to its knees & it is not far from doing that work. the empire is fatally weakened militarily, politically & strategically. it is clear that the only option open to the people of iraq is to take their sovereignty by force & not believe one word of the so called ‘national reconciliation’ which as pilger points out in south africa meant concretely that white power remain unchanged. nop all the words that change every month with those in washington have only one meaning – murder – whomever you are – in iraq – one day or another
the puppets & vassals that serve their interests – are so similar to the tragicomedies that was diem or thieu or marcos – & as soon as it gets really hard they will be out of there to join their fascist pals in miami
i am an old fashioned fellow & i feel punishment is necessary, politically for this sick old world, to heal

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 11 2007 21:34 utc | 19

I agree with you 100% and more r’giap. But how in the hell do we ever get there?
Where I am there is so much ignorance; willful or otherwise. How do you ever approach these people? Okay. I admit to a little, well, maybe not subterfuge, but, oh, opening the channels. Making it easier to broach the subject. This way I’ve found out just how many people, if you give them the chance, want to, you know, Talk.
A couple of t-shirts (“Impeach Bush & Cheney”, “Arrest Cheney First”, a baseball cap with the same) and a real ice-breaker: A stamp with a talk bubble that says “Impeach Bush!” for money. I’ve also used it to stamp my checks which feature an image of the Scream. I have been using it for a couple of weeks now and it never fails to start a conversation. So far no one has disagreed with me.
What good will it do? Who knows but the money circulates and people will see it and t-a-l-k.

Posted by: beq | Aug 11 2007 23:03 utc | 20

interview with pro-resistance Iraqi Nationalist

Abduljabbar al Kubaysi, influential political leader of the Iraqi resistance and secretary-general of the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance (IPA) elaborates on the new situation evolving in Iraq

Posted by: Alamet | Aug 11 2007 23:04 utc | 21

If you want to join me.

Posted by: beq | Aug 11 2007 23:07 utc | 22

This could be very interesting…
Assassinations Cause Panic Among Najaf Clerics

(snip)
Meanwhile, al-Hayat revealed that a “secretive, well-equipped assassination team” has been targeting Shi’a clerics and officers as of late. The paper said that clerics and religious students affiliated with the Sistani establishment have been the target of a wide assassination campaign. The paper said that “dozens” of students and clerics have been either killed or received threatening letters ordering them to leave Najaf.
(snip)
One possible clue regarding the identity of the assassins was offered by a Sadrist leader, Hazim al-‘A’raji, who said that “all the officers who participated in the interrogation of the ‘soldiers of heaven’ cult” were targeted by the killers.
(snip)

Posted by: Alamet | Aug 11 2007 23:09 utc | 23

beq
first, we need to try & be exemplary in our actions but also in our words. i have worked forever it seems in communitites – & there there exists only the propaganda of deed. of what you do. how you do it. an essential aspect of that is reveal your flaws. we are not perfect. we are trying to arrive at answers in a world that even the dumbest of us understands privileges disassociation – in act & in words
the murder in iraq was & is built on lies. then those lies have to be totally confronted where they can be.
it is evident to one & all that the real cost & the real burden is being carried by the people of iraq & their movements of national liberation & that is as it should be but we must make their work known
it was by being & communicating directly with the vietnamese – that that war was revealed for the naked & immoral agression it was. whatever we feel – we must try to stand shoulder to shoulder with those who are doing the fighting even tho there may be enormous differences between us
we must admity honestly that that which is being done in our names is an act of horror, an act of genocide. i think that is why i have been so irritated with slothrop – because that is the essential fact for me – that in whatever way we can inhibit the suffering of the people of iraq – then we must do
i have never much believed in the farce that is parliamentary politics – but because it is there where interests converge – then in america you must make it impossible for those interests to profit form this war in any way
i am frightened that this will become a generalised war & then who & what we are will be tested to a degree we may noit have wanted in the midst of life but that is how it will be
we must smash the silence. deconstruct the complicity. transform our shame into aid

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 11 2007 23:19 utc | 24

“In the East you do not need to write books to convince people. If your personal life style is congruent with your mission you will convince people. ”
from the interview alamet posted

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 11 2007 23:33 utc | 25

Smash the silence.

Posted by: beq | Aug 12 2007 0:17 utc | 26

beq
i hope that was clear – that for me of all people – meditation precedes action or actually takes place during action – so to smash the silence is to break through the deadening habit that allows people to live with the unliveable
if they have not detroyed us – if we are fighting back – then it is because we have preserved or even heightened our instincts
our instincts know injustice in a heartbeat
i think that knowledge of injustice is almost something innate
it belongs to our internal symbolic order(s)
when we are torn from it – & that mostly happens because of the conscious dissassociative practices of modern capitalism – then we go mad – even tho we do not know it
i do not want to be owned, ever & happily i have never been – i have lived these fifty years from what comes from my body but i have always understood what that means in practical terms
so in that sense i never needed books to understand the vietnamese – nor do i with the people in iraq – it is the struggle of people not to be owned, possessed, bought & sold & thrown away
it is the struggle to live, after all
even when the situation is extremely complex like algeria in the 80’s & 90’s – where you have a state that had become corrupt & an opposition that was equallly corrupt & both whom possessed the love of violence – it was instinctly clear that the people of algeria were & are the victims. that instinct is a refined tool & it pushes away the slush of the media & it can see the truth for what it is
a struggle to live in a battle with the struggle for power
the honorable, the exemplary does not always win – mere accumulation sometimes destroys the best of the people, of us
the cruel domination of vengeful elites in thes last few decades is proof of that but i believe that there is justice & that justice is always created with the hands of the people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 12 2007 1:10 utc | 27

I agree with all that comrade r’giap has written.
It should be noted that 1 Million people in Iraq translates to 12 Million people in the US. 12 Million people killed in four years — imagine that. That’s about 10, 000 people a day, 200 people per day in an average state of six million, 1000 people per day — day in, day out — in California. Imagine the number of bombs dropped, missiles fired, doors kicked in, men tortured and interrogated, women raped and forced to whore to survive. Imagine the number of tanks that would be rolling down OUR streets every day and every night.
Of course, we would have 25 Million dislocated, another 25-50 Million injured, and countless more suffering from permanent psychological damage, what they call PTSD these days, and also countless more suffering from birth defects, DU poisoning, etc. Then there are those dying of disease, suffering from lack of water and sub-par food. All in all, around 100 Million people would be dead, injured, or dislocated. Of course the invaders would occasionally discuss in their media whether it was 4 or 6 million that had been “adversely affected.” But most of the time, when you turned on their media, they would be discussing some particular starlet’s problem with the law, or drugs, or her boyfriend. At best, you might see people driven to buying a plastic bracelet as a fetish to guard against them having to think about starving people.
Imagine city after city — Boston, St. Louis, Seattle — encircled, all power and water cut, all hospitals closed down and surrounded by snipers atop buildings, while day after day, the bombs and the phosphorus drop from the air all around you. All men are rounded up and taken away, women without men are imprisoned and tortured, all houses standing searched, 1/3 left in rubble. Imagine snipers on your very own corner, eyeing your house with deepening suspicion. This has happened to twelve or more cities in Iraq; in the US it would be about 150 different cities, almost a city a week. See if you can even sit down and name 150 cities.
Imagine that your family is starving to death and your father is dying of very treatable high-blood pressure, and the only people hiring are the invaders.
Imagine our big sporting arenas closed down during the World Series and the Superbowl so that our dead could be unceremoniously buried in the soft soil beneath the green tended grass.
Now imagine up to 50,000 people a day (yes, the math is correct) fleeing across our borders into Canada and Mexico. How stupid do our little immigration spats look compared to an event of that magnitude? Imagine bands of a million people or more roaming across the country looking for some safety. Imagine temporary tent cities set up of up to 1 Million people, and imagine living there for year after year, winter after winter (yes, it does get cold in a tent in the winter in Iraq).
There would not be a single person in this country who did not know someone, a relative perhaps, a friend or a brother or a sister, who had died in this war. We would not be thinking summer vacations in Europe; we would be thinking about surviving until tomorrow, only to repeat the same exhausting process day after day after day — if we are lucky enough.
How stupid does it look after imagining all of this to be debating whether what is happening in Darfur constitutes genocide and whether we should invade that country, too, as a solution. Does what has happened in Iraq — when now translated to a US scope, scale, and detail — not seem like an obvious GENOCIDE which should and must be shouted from the rooftops to everyone you meet each and every day, even after they tell you that you are kooky and disturbing their day?
How stupid does it look under these circumstances, to argue about the picayune political or religious beliefs of those who risk their lives, and their sanity should they be captured and tortured, to stand up to the invaders, against all odds, and protect you?
How ridiculous would it seem to you to have some Chinese people (for example) arguing endlessly whether or not “things might get worse” if the invaders, and snipers, and bombers, and tanks, which smash right over parked cars, left?
Perhaps I should have taken my little dust-up with markfromireland over to this thread. I have read that blog, “Today in Iraq,” and now “Iraq Today” for perhaps 80% of the days since our criminal invasion began. It is my Kaddish; it is my daily taking stock in actions that I am directly responsible for. Yeah, it’s painful and it’s a repetitive waste of my precious time in the summer, but it is what I do to stay in touch with the horror. That was why I was so angry that the blog had been taken over and everyone locked out.
Anyway, sorry I got you little discussion off track on that last thread. If anything happened to this blog I promise not to waste valuable space on another blog discussing it. Best not to disturb the “thread.”

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 12 2007 1:37 utc | 28

This moved into off topic when what started of to be a comment on the creepy experts who try to use science to undermine the Lancet study became self indulgent, nevertheless what is left is a bit of a glance at some less visible effects of the horror of Iraq.
So much information about Iraq seeps through other channels. Last night watching a BBC World attempt at defaming Hezbollah a bit more, revealed a really interesting nugget.
The reporter was obsessed with showing Hezbollah was re-arming despite the agreement not to. Natch he didn’t explore the immorality of forcing a community to discard their protections in the face of murderous aggression, but that is another story. Anyway the reporter was lucky enough to find a really good ‘talent’ in Lebanon, Dawoud Indahoud a guy streetwise in Beruit Shia communities who had spent many years being similarly streetwise in L.A.
He wasn’t a member of Hizbollah – he unashamedly told us that they wouldn’t have him as his self indulgences meant he failed the ethical criteria for Hisbolah membership. Saying that I notice the beeb program outline describes him as a ‘former militiaman’.
However he is a staunch sympathiser and regards Hezbollah as the only real mechanism for protecting his community.
The reporter got him to hunt down Shia weapons suppliers and they came across some brand new state of the art weaponry fresh from Iraq, including one selling for US$10,000 which seemed to be a complete M4-M16 MWS modular system.
The arms salesman commented that criminal organisations in Iraq were targetting amerikan troops carrying exotic new weaponry specifically to get their weapons.
Amerika has become the supplier of choice for armed resistance throughout the ME, if it means killing some of the colonial occupying force so be it, two birds with one stone etc.
If true (the reporter claims he tried to get clarification of the source of the weapon whose numbers he had noted, by contacting amerikan HQ in Iraq but was fobbed off on the grounds of ‘operational security’ yeah right) that issue raises many others such as the uselessness of mercenaries or allies. resistance forces would avoid engagement with those groups as the opportunity for getting hi-tech weapons are reduced (those forces less likely to be carrying them).
And not least of all what soldier is gonna want to carry the latest output of the corporate welfare state if it increases the chance of being a casualty rather than decreasing it?
All the accusations against Iran in Iraq and Syria in Lebanon pale next to amerika as primary arms supplier to the ME.
Without weapons the number of deaths throughout the ME most especially Iraq would keep falling until the people who lived there, no longer provoked by outsiders wanting to enrich themselves, reached an understanding about how to get along.
Yeah right! – like that’s gonna happen in a way which doesn’t embroil another region in using up the outputs of amerika’s corporate welfare? Lemme see what is left? Africa! So the ME will be saved eventually, but not until Africacom manages to stir up a bunch of major conflicts.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 12 2007 1:50 utc | 29

I just reread what I wrote and realised that some may take it to mean that I meant the thread had moved off topic which it hadn’t – my morning post had so I snipped off the top and just left the bit at the bottom of what I had written.
Malooga don’t be worryin about accidently shifting a thread we all do it and if you had gone into another thread the person you were asking probably wouldn’t have seen your question.
I can understand your anger at losing a resource you felt so close to – as fer the other bloke I don’t know him enough to know whether his anger is justified or just the same sort of offense is the best defense which started the horror in Iraq in the first place. Whichever it is it aint worth gettin cranked up about since you can’t wave a magic wand and stop bein amerikan just to mollify him.
It seems to me though that if the blog is as sorely needed and missed as that, it must be possible to get a back up of the archives and recreate the blog somewhere else.
Surely everyone wants a place where these atrocities can be recorded to continue at a site where they can be added to as required.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 12 2007 4:55 utc | 30

@Malooga
Thanks for your wonderful post. I recommend front-paging it, and even trying to publish it somewhere with a wider readership — other blogs, the MSM. One thing I would have added is that there has been a systematic campaign to assassinate intellectuals and doctors, and those who have not been assassinated have likely fled, and so one must also understand that the entire infrastructure of the health system — which used to be very good — is evaporating or has been dismantled.
I think about Iraqis myriad times each day, with all kinds of simple automatic actions that I take, and I ask myself, what would it be like not to be able to have this? Or what would it be like to try to accomplish this simple task under THOSE conditions? Or how would I, as a woman, cope with something like trying to comfort a terrified child, or get some rest in order to be able to comfort a terrified child? Make a decision to stay or leave if I had a handicapped aging parent who could not move unassistaed? And then my mind, when I can’t turn this off, goes to the very worst: How would I be able to go on living in any way, shape, or form, if what happens on a daily basis to human beings there was inflicted on my child, and in front of my own eyes?
I am haunted by it, always.

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