Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 27, 2007
Gonzo Resigns

There was some rumor these days that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales would be replaced by Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff.

Part one is now verified:

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, whose tenure has been marred by controversy and accusations of perjury before Congress, has resigned. A senior administration official said he would announce the decision later this morning in Washington.

Mr. Gonzales, who had rebuffed calls for his resignation, submitted his to President Bush by telephone on Friday, the official said. His decision was not immediately announced, the official added, until after the president invited him and his wife to lunch at his ranch near here.

Mr. Bush has not yet chosen a replacement but will not leave the position open long, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the resignation had not yet been made public.

That’s the official story which is of course bogus. AGAG got fired by Bush and Bush certainly would not have done so without having someone else ready to take that job.

Prof. Balkin looks a bit ahead of what might be coming:

The Bush Administration now faces three problems.

The first is finding a person to serve for the last years of a lame duck administration in a department with many unfilled vacancies, a diminished reputation for integrity and serious morale problems.

The second problem is getting the person confirmed before a Democratic controlled Senate. Democrats will very likely grill the nominee in confirmation hearings, and if the nominee was involved in the operations of the current Justice Department, may try to settle scores and demand information about what Gonzales did, leading to yet another standoff over executive privilege.

The third and most serious problem is that Democrats may use the confirmation as a bargaining chip to pry open more disclosures from this most secretive and stubborn of White Houses.

[…]

As said above I don’t think the first problem is really a problem. Bush certainly already has a candidate. The Washington Whispers said:

.. will be replaced by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. Why Chertoff? Officials say he’s got fans on Capitol Hill, is untouched by the Justice prosecutor scandal, and has more experience than Gonzales did, having served as a federal judge and assistant attorney general.

That’s a sunny view again, likely whispered by some Bush insider, but it solves Bush’s first problem.

The second problem Balkin sees, confirmation, should be easy if Chertoff is the nominee. Up to February 2005 Chertoff was Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division of the Justice Department.  But he left a few days after AGAG was sworn in and is therefore not touched by the prosecutor scandal. Then again Chertoff certainly was to some degree involved in the NSA’s illegal spying dispute and the discussions around that within the Justice Department.

The third problem Balkin sees depends on the spine Democrats might want to show. I don’t expect such to exist, but maybe they can grow one in this case.

There is something else that clearly speaks against Chertoff. Two years ago Katrina threatened and than destroyed New Orleans. It was Chertoff who botched the response to that catastrophe. FEMA chief Brown was scapegoated for that, but the responsibility clearly was Chertoffs.

That alone should disqualify him, though I don’t expect anyone important to make that point.

One question is left where you might have an idea. Why now?

Comments

RE: Prof. Balkin’s three “problems”…
1.) Even without Chertoff, there is a pool of fawning candidates to be culled from the ranks of Bob Jones, et al. Speaking of fawning, I am sure Harriet Miers could use the work since the SCOTUS gig didn’t work out.
2.)I would have to stop laughing long enough to seriously consider this. Let’s see, the Democrats keep authorizing Iraq spending and made ex post facto laws for domestic surveillance. Um… they would have to stop being complicit with everything before they could oppose it in committee. Not that they wouldn’t put up some kind of lip service opposition…
3.) One word. Complicit. And besides, how the hell would We, The People, ever know if they became privy to anything, anyway? The Beltway Bourgeoisie is not a club accepting applications from paeons like taxpayers.
I see no problems here for the Bush administration.

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 27 2007 14:24 utc | 1

Gonzo’s Gone-so! I will be celebrating all day. Now can we go after him with criminal charges, please? How about some crimes against humanity for one? All his rubber stamping of torture should be enough to put him away for the rest of his life, if this country were not dysfunctional.
You know b, I don’t think he was fired. I just don’t think Bush does that with his key henchmen. I think Bush desperately needed him in place no matter what. If he left, I think he left of his own accord because he could see that he was a goner.
What was it that John Edwards said when Rove resigned?
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Posted by: Bea | Aug 27 2007 14:25 utc | 2

he’s moving full-time to the shadow govt

Posted by: b real | Aug 27 2007 14:37 utc | 3

Let’s go to full wacko conspiracy mode: Gonzo’s out and Chertoff’s in
so the latter can bring his DHS experience and AIPAC support to bear in populating the detention centers after the soon-to-arrive (and just-in-time) false flag operation aimed at justifying an attack on Iran and the consequent “imperative” of a new draft. Gonzo’s connections with
the legal justifications for torture and extraordinary renditions
would be a potential obstacle to the smooth implementation of “tighter security procedures”.

Needless to say, I hope (and even expect) to be proven completely wrong.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 27 2007 14:38 utc | 4

And what about Chertoff being a dual citizen of Israel, or his connections to AIPAC and other influential elements within the government? Is this guy really the most trustworthy to be handling the Justice Dept of the United States?

Posted by: Monsieur le Prof | Aug 27 2007 15:21 utc | 5

In the meantime, Mr. Temporary Attorney General, Clement, is not such a dandy either. To quote Wiki: “He also argued many of the key cases in the lower courts involving challenges to the President’s conduct of the war on terrorism.”
Anyone who argued in favor of Bush’s conduct on just about any issue is not good news for America.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 27 2007 16:00 utc | 6

Is this guy really the most trustworthy to be handling the Justice Dept of the United States?It was Chertoff who botched the response to that catastrophe.
i think you are being too generous.

Posted by: annie | Aug 27 2007 16:03 utc | 7

gonzo’s gone to ground. “release the dogs!” git ‘im, leahy.

Posted by: catlady | Aug 27 2007 16:07 utc | 8

Ships deserting a sinking rat?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 27 2007 16:14 utc | 9

John Nichols

Revelations about the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys who were seen by the administration as insufficiently political in their investigations and prosecutions opened up an investigation that has begun to confirm a broad scheme to politicize the Justice Department’s work in the area of voting rights — a scheme apparently designed by Rove to suppress turnout by minorities and others who might vote Democratic.
The investigation into those machinations has hit the administration hard — so hard that the president is now jettisoning his oldest and closest aides in order to prevent the inquiry from evolving into a serious examination of his own lawlessness.

Let this be it.

Posted by: beq | Aug 27 2007 17:02 utc | 10

There was a rumor floating around for a while that Reid was going to keep a skeleton quorum going to prevent recesses. But of course being them dems, they didn’t…
If you care about this, tell Reid to call the senate into immediate pro forma session to prevent a recess appointment. Good luck as Congress has done nothing recently to check the abuse of the recess appointment power…
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 27 2007 17:14 utc | 11

Also, does this mean the US is going to stop torturing people, and stop with all the blowing shit up in Iraq? Because if it doesn’t, I don’t see how this is something to cheer about.
Well, unless this dude’s ass is going to jail.
Oh, and as far as Recess appointment, my prediction, Patrick Fitzgerald, hero on the outside do as little damage as possible trader on the inside.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 27 2007 17:27 utc | 12

my prediction, Patrick Fitzgerald
That’s a level of diabolicality too deep for me even to contemplate.

Posted by: mats | Aug 27 2007 17:36 utc | 13

beq, Justice Department’s work in the area of voting rights
i noticed a palatable shift after frontline carried bbc backed palast story within days of palast’s meeting w/conyers.

Posted by: annie | Aug 27 2007 17:39 utc | 14

Gonzo left to write his memoir – tentative title: “I don’t recall”

Posted by: b | Aug 27 2007 17:43 utc | 15

or “Down is Up”

Posted by: beq | Aug 27 2007 17:47 utc | 16

re #15
I told him all that weed would catch up with him….

Posted by: catlady | Aug 27 2007 17:52 utc | 17

Above I predicted Patrick Fitzgerald before I had it brought to my attention Bushco need do nothing, What, if anything, is there to keep GW from leaving the post open? Would leaving an “acting” AG in place be a viable option? (That way he wins without even playing.)
Via Glenn Greenwald, the acting attorney Solicitor General Paul Clement can serve in acting capacity for up to 210 days. The clock is reset as soon as a new nominee is announced. Gonzales’ resignation doesn’t take place until Sept. 17. Clement can serve for 210 days and at some later date Bush can announce his nominee and Clement then gets another 210 days. Essentially, Bush can run out the clock until he leaves office with a “backdoor” recess appointment. I wouldn’t expect Bush to be in any hurry to put up a new nominee. He knows the hearings would be damaging. We may not see a new attorney general until after the 2008 elections.
Solicitor General Clement, no. #2 in charge, next up…that also means Clement was in charge of personnel decisions relating to Monica Goodling (in other words, it was his call to make her the first ever DoJ official to stay on the payroll after pleading the Fifth), he’s supervising the Department’s joint investigation into the firings by the Office of Professional Responsibility and Inspector General, and he’s in charge of which documents are doled over to Congress and which aren’t. …
Also, since Abu is still AG UNTIL sept 17, 2007, LOTS OF NASTY could happen in between.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 27 2007 18:02 utc | 18

People like Gonzo amaze me: they have the intelligence and drive to work their way up to leading positions in government and/or commerce, but when you try to press them for details about what they did and why, they respond as if they had spent their entire tenure in office with their head in a fuzzy pink cloud, sort of like the way I spent my junior year in high school…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 27 2007 18:04 utc | 19

bush whines to the press today about gonzo’s sacrifice – “because his name was dragged through the mud, for political reasons”
i was going to say that if he really wants to sacrifice the guy, forget the name, let us drag his body through the streets. but then the voice of rumsfeld reverberated from some undisclosed location
“if you want to savage this thing fine I’ll give you the corpse. There’s the name. You can have the name, but I’m gonna keep doing every single thing that needs to be done and I have.”
gonzo himself — name, corpse, title, employment status, whatever — is largely irrelevant in the greater scam scheme of things

Posted by: b real | Aug 27 2007 19:39 utc | 20

The French call all this la valse des copains – the crony waltz.
High officials come and go, fall in favor and out, are generally nominated to posts for which they are not qualified or absolutely incompetent (that is part of the point; power is..power..) and the people are supposed to cheer the new Lord, the broom that sweeps clean, the fantabulous change, the right choice, etc. ad nauseam.
Enduring dictatorships (eg Saddam) generally do a bit better, because they *care* about running things to keep their power, and they avoid the IQ-under-80 types, with exceptions made for family members who are watched and controlled, up to a point… Gonzo was loyal but an absolute ass. I saw just one vid of him, the man doesn’t even know the law, and can’t keep notes, nor his story straight, he does not have expertise, hubris, clout, presence, anticipation of forward movement, etc. !Nada.!
Monarchies have been much troubled by the fact that they have to co=opt loyal, servile, stupid servants, but that there are not too many people clamoring for these posts. Gonzo is not part of the high cabal, he is a lackey, a servant, not clued in, not partisan to secrets, not navigating with an agenda (except to please his masters): that Bush would nominate such a person speaks to lackaidiscal desperation or, more alarmingly, to a reliance on power at the top, a complete lack of understanding of what happens below and how to manage it. *Really, it doesn’t matter much*, is the idea. Subject to review! Finally, someone who knows the scene (Chertoff) is better, spic innocent dumb asses don’t even know what to do, and they don’t do it right, and we can’t speak frankly to them, etc.
imhi – in my humble imagination.
or imwhi (add wild)

Posted by: Tangerine | Aug 27 2007 21:36 utc | 21

Alberto Gonzalez, the legal genius behind this administration’s constant violation of our rights:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov’t.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov’t and drops the title):
[book advertising deleted – b.]

Posted by: Gregg | Aug 27 2007 21:57 utc | 22

b real
perhaps the only wayy for those in the cheney bush junta lesson is to be dragged by a rope tied to a tank in the manner of the infamous afghani warlord general rostum

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 27 2007 23:58 utc | 23

Impeach Them Now!
by Paul Edwards | Aug 24 2007 –
America is in terrible trouble and we all feel it. Diehard “we‚re number one” types deny it, unable to admit failing in what they have been relentlessly schooled from infancy is the best and noblest of countries, but thinking people of all political opinions know it and are openly expressing anger and dismay at the sorry state of our country today.
In their bafflement and ignorance of the political inside game they are wildly divided about what has gone wrong and what should be done to check the disintegration and dissolution they feel and cannot understand. What is clear is that this situation did not come about by cosmic accident. It was caused and causes have origins that are traceable.
The undeniable fact around which all our anxieties and fears are crystallized is the brutal, tragic, unending occupation of Iraq.
Blatant corporate criminality, tax piracy that fattens the richest 0.1% of us while crushing the rest, the haemorrhaging of quality jobs overseas, the relentless attacks on our civil and political rights–all are set aside or subsumed under our deep, abiding, unspoken–mostly unacknowledged–guilt over what we as a country are doing in Iraq. Americans–even many callous and vicious enough to support the rape and destruction of another country so long as it benefits us–know in their hearts that we were wrong, dead wrong from the beginning, in doing what we have done to Iraq.
The painful awareness of this uncontestable tragedy is spreading like wildfire across this country and Americans are disturbed, hurt and grieving because of it. They should be. They have quietly, complacently gone about their routine lives, largely oblivious and astonishingly meek and docile, while this outrage was perpetrated in their name.
A wise, great-souled President, Abe Lincoln said: “To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” Abe could have been talking about us. You? and me.
And yet in truth we, the people, are not to blame. All of us outside the dark, sinister circle of Bush/Cheney power, were willfully, shamefully deceived. The President of the United States, the Vice President, and their agents, cynically, maliciously lied to us and manipulated America into an unwarranted, unjustified, indefensible attack on a country innocent of either the intent or capacity even to threaten us with harm, let alone inflict it.
So it all comes together. All the angst, guilt, sadness and anger that the American people are feeling because of the savage, unjustifiable invasion and occupation of Iraq is traceable directly to the outrageous lies of President Bush and Vice President Cheney. They, the executive powers of the Republic, are ultimately, damningly to blame.
What then is to be done? What punishment could be so terrible that it would balance the betrayal of an entire nation?
What must the punishment be for men entrusted with the honor and well-being of a great country who have knowingly deceived its people; subverted its constitution; employed its vast powers dishonestly and shamefully; thrown away the lives, limbs and futures of many thousands of its youth; wasted staggering quantities of its wealth; and fouled and disgraced its good name before an appalled and horrified world?
The answer is that no penalty devised by man could be sufficiently condign to punish such an appalling litany of monstrous wrongdoing.
The wise men who wrote and signed our Constitution knew executive power could be abused and dreaded tyranny, having suffered it directly. They had felt the contempt of autocracy, borne the arrogance of unfettered, irresponsible power, and experienced the dreadful jeopardy in which a people stands under a lawless and criminal chief of state. And they proposed a process to address that eventuality: impeachment.
Impeachment, widely misunderstood, is not a punishment but a process. Dictionaries define it as “an accusation of misconduct in office before an appropriate tribunal.” In the case of a President or Vice President, the House of Representatives prepares charges and the Senate sits as jury with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding. Conviction requires a two-thirds majority vote of Senators present.
Article 1, Section 3 reads: “Judgment shall not extend farther than removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any position of honor, trust or profit under the United States; but the party convicted shall nevertheless remain liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment under the law.”
This process was never to be initiated for anything less than the most heinous crimes against the Republic. The grounds for impeachment were bribery, treason, and other “high crimes and misdemeanors”. This latter category was a truly far-sighted and acute provision because it provided a means of calling a President to account for unethical, criminal or unconstitutional actions in violation of his sworn oath to see that the laws are “faithfully executed”. On this solid basis both Bush and Cheney must be impeached.
The case against President Bush has been deeply researched and fully articulated by the best legal minds in America. Stripped of arcane legalisms the four indictments are:
1. He has violated the rights of citizens by ordering the National Security Agency to engage in illegal electronic surveillance of Americans and concealed it from Congress and the public, thereby failing his sworn obligation to see the laws faithfully executed.
2. He has violated his oath of office and his constitutional obligation by initiating the Iraq invasion and occupation on the basis of lies, and deceived the American people and the Congress, thereby subverting the Constitution and undermining our democracy.
3. He has violated the rights of citizens and non-citizens by arbitrary detentions in and outside the U.S. without due process, specific charges, or counsel, and endorsed and condoned torture in defiance of American and international law.
4. He has illegally aggrandized executive power in violation of constitutional principles and separation of powers and violated laws, using “signing statements” to ignore their intent as he sees fit, thereby arrogating legislative powers reserved solely to Congress.
These four charges, taken together, represent by far the greatest betrayal of the American people by a President in the history of the Republic and far outweigh the transgressions of Andrew Johnson, impeached for obstructing the will of Congress; of Bill Clinton, for perjuring himself about a sexual affair; and of Nixon, who resigned rather than face certain conviction for authorizing illegal surveillance and lying about it to Congress.
The gravity of the charges against President Bush–in all of which Cheney is complicit–is such that if those charges should go unexamined and unjudged, it must inevitably corrode the very character of this country and cripple forever its viability as a Republic.
Think! Are we Americans willing to live in a country in which an autocratic chief executive can alter and ignore at will the laws made by our elected Congress?
Are we willing to live in a country in which we can be electronically spied on, our personal lives monitored and documented for no cause, any time, everywhere?
Can we live in a country where anyone can be disappeared and held incommunicado, without right of habeas corpus or accusation, much less trial; where we can be kidnapped and flown anywhere on earth to be imprisoned and tortured, perhaps to death?!
Think! Will we–CAN WE?–continue to face ourselves and our families, our children, our future, in a country so corrupted and degraded that it can be fully aware that its President has tricked it into the horror of an imperialist blitzkrieg and brutal, bloody occupation on the basis of outright lies, and DO NOTHING ABOUT IT?!
I know the arguments of fearful, hostile ignorance and those of cowardly complacency and pusillanimous pragmatism and they are false to the core. The worst of all is the spineless whimper Representatives Pelosi, Conyers, and Senator Reid have made: that impeachment is “off the table”, “a waste of time”, that there are “better things to do”.
I submit to America that unless Bush and Cheney–these two fatally malignant cancers on the body politic–are impeached, America has no reason to have the provision for it in our Constitution. And soon–very soon–we will have no further need for a Constitution at all. Impeach them now!
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9517

Posted by: Paul Edwards | Aug 28 2007 3:38 utc | 24

#24..Bravo! But, given the state of our nation today I fully expect nothing meaningful to happen. I believe those in D.C. don’t work for the betterment of the nation, they work to appease the wants of the mega-rich. “whoever has the gold rules.” Such has it always been.

Posted by: Ben | Aug 28 2007 4:11 utc | 25

Incompetent managers work with totally incompetent underlings so that they will look good by comparison.
I never shuddered more than when I read that the USA would be run ‘like a business’ after this pack took power in 2000.
Nuff said.

Posted by: hopping madbunny | Aug 28 2007 13:44 utc | 26

hmb,
problem is that when a business is large enough, it can always turn to the government for a bailout when it starts to go belly up through its own incompetence or inability to adapt to the times.
Who can the government turn to?
I have to agree with Pelosi on the impeachment issue: although I believe that Bush and Cheney are guilty enough of impeachable offenses, impeachment proceedings would quickly disintegrate into a political circus, one that Republicans might even be able to turn to their advantage (even without Karl Rove’s direct presence in the White House)
I think the best punishment the American people can give Bush and his cronies is to send them off with solid drubbing at the polls in 2008. I would also rather see the Democrats actually working on that rather than merely political posturing.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 28 2007 15:03 utc | 27

?????????????????????????????????Yeah, we’d sure be better off if the Democrats were in power. I guess I logged on to the wrong blog. Better go back to Daily Kos. At least I know what the fare is there.???????????????????????????????

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 28 2007 15:29 utc | 28

problem is that when a business is large enough, it can always turn to the government for a bailout when it starts to go belly up through its own incompetence or inability to adapt to the times.
Who can the government turn to?

Fuck ’em. If a big business wants a government bail-out the price should be a transfer of stock ownership to its employees for the amount of the bailout. Protect the wage earner, not the investor.
Who can the government turn to? I love the passive voice here, like it — the crisis — just happened to the government by accident, not that it was intentionally crafted and designed by think-tanks for someone’s ultimate profit.
Historically, “crises” such as this are paid for by the working people through inflation, interest rate hikes, and cuts in social security and other benefits and services. Let the poor pay for their own retirement, the thinking goes (even on this blog apparently), just like the wealthy pay for special fire protection.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 28 2007 16:02 utc | 29

Malooga,
I don’t mean that we’d be significantly better off with the Democrats in power, just that they’d be wasting their time & energy trying to impeach the bastards.
It was the Chrysler bail-out in the late 70’s that led me to see that we were running our economy on the same principles as the Soviet Union, just under a different name: let the profitable industries subsidize the unprofitable ones in order to keep people working and keep politicians in power.
It would have been cheaper and more beneficial to let Chrysler go belly up, and use the bail-out money to re-train and re-employ the workers elsewhere. But no politician was going to have his name associated with a project like that.
The bill finally came due for our Automobile industry: those jobs are gone and they ain’t comin’ back, and those unempoyed folks can go look for work at one-third of their wages (and no benefits) at the Wal-mart three cities away.
And now we are living a repeat of the savings and loan bail-out of the 80’s under Bush I, except this time they aren’t going to be able to keep the entire economy from buckling under it.
Soon the entire US economy is going to resemble one big parking lot, where bosses come in pickup trucks and fetch the day workers they need, pay them off in cash and send them home at the end of the day.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 28 2007 17:10 utc | 30

Hillary or the terrorists
Jackie is not alone.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 28 2007 19:27 utc | 31

Rep. Rahm Emmanuel: “Gonzales is the only Attorney General who thought the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth were three different things.”

Posted by: catlady | Aug 28 2007 19:36 utc | 32

DoS,
your link doesn’t seem to work, but you can find the “Hillary or Terrorists?” video at salon.com

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 28 2007 19:46 utc | 33

sorry ’bout that, one time I don’t preview…..
Hillary or the terrorists
I know it is off topic but it was meant to be a follow up to Malooga’s remark about hoping for Dems to take over in DC

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 28 2007 19:57 utc | 34

Stock markets finally realising that there is a bit of a problem in the housing market? No – 2% down today is not serious enough, 30% down from here maybe they will smell something is fishy …
Consequences?

U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world’s 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.

link

Posted by: b | Aug 28 2007 20:45 utc | 35

chris floyd on the insignificance of “rusty crowbar” gonzales

To be sure, there will be “much throwing about of brains” on the subject of this puppet’s discarding. There will be much earnest cogitating on the implications of it all, how it will “play,” who “won” and who “lost,” who’s “in” and who’s “out.” But it means nothing, because it involves nothing that has any abiding significance. Alberto Gonzales was a human being who made himself into a nobody, made himself into a tool, a blunt instrument in the hands of vicious, greedy thugs. They bashed heads with him, they broke down doors with him, they smashed windows with him, and now they’re done with him. Why would anyone waste their time with weighty disquisitions on the fate of a rusty crowbar thrown aside by a gang of killers — especially when the killers are still on the loose?

Posted by: b real | Aug 28 2007 22:31 utc | 36

Yeah, remember when Rumsfeld, five short years ago called one of
Washington’s sexiest studs if I remember correctly, was thrown overboard. The new guy (I don’t even know his name) just keeps a lower profile and does the same job. No news, just musical chairs.
When will people get that it is not the personality, it is the policy? Still, the media whores keep selling us political bodies based upon personality. (Dean the doctor, what’s his name the wrestler, Kerry the lame windsurfer dude…)
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world’s 875 million known firearms
Including several million now pointed at our soldiers in Iraq these days. We still own those firearms, technically.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 28 2007 22:58 utc | 37

Democrats. Worse. They are really the scum of the earth.
Bush Junior is a confused leader. Yes. Under the sway of the neo cons. Yes. Wait and see what the Dems will do. They had their war, proud of it, all under the radar, Milosevic vilified, it worked, they think they can do it again. Heh, on to the new pastures, nobody remembers what happened to Yugoslavia. It is the past! Done, fine, great!
So the Repubs botched Iraq!
The Dems claim they could have done Iraq better. Anyway they don’t care either, bomb the shit out of the towel heads, ex-communists, workers, terrarists, insurgents, anyone, then we can see.
It is all just pussy footing around – the Dems wanted to ally with Iran, then, decided not, so they backpedalled.
Israel was not that keen on the Iraq invasion, they had their reservations, Iraq under Saddam they knew was no threat, as did any sensible person in the West, and elsewhere. But the US needs the oil fields.
For Israel it was the wrong target at the wrong time, the grand global scope is not their thing, and energy etc. is something they don’t really understand, as they are into domination and begging as a life line… Iran, Iran, Iran…etc. Isr. can’t disavow the master, as it is its life blood, it has to go along. But both parties have been disappointed.
The Lebanon summer war was, I guess, a shocker for the US. The valiant Israeli army can’t manage…and they are too socialist, too primitive, land grabbers, don’t understand business really, have too many poor ppl who don’t work, etc.
-Noirette or Tangerine right now tired.

Posted by: Tangerine | Aug 29 2007 19:50 utc | 38