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August 8, 2007
Cordesman’s Tenuous Case

Anthoney Cordesman, a sound military expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was in Iraq again and unlike Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack, he comes away with a quite pessimistic view. 

He lays out the issues in 25 pages titled The Tenuous Case for Strategic Patience in Iraq (pdf).

The paper contains some full broadsides against the Bush administration, various government agencies and the former U.S. military and political leadership in Iraq.

Iraq is in shambles and the general economic situation is getting worse. Cordesman lauds the current leadership team, Petraeus/Crocker, but sees there effort stymied by false decisions and idiotic ideas coming out of Washington.

The "surge" has failed, Cordesman says, both in its military and political dimension. It was sheer luck that the Sunni "awaikening", the tribes getting sick of "al-qaida" salafists, happened in time and that the military could take advantage of it.

The problem now is that these awakened tribes expect some payback from the central government for their efforts and cooperation. Such rewards must come through within 6 month or they will convert back to be resistance fighters.

The government is in all aspects in shambles. Maliki and his friends are completely sectarian. The political process, if there is some at all, is very, very, very slow.

The U.S. can not withdraw parts of its troops or retreat back to big bases. If all troops leave, the problem of Iraq will not vanish and the strategic problems in the Middle East might escalate.

There might be a 50:50 chance for things to turn around if the U.S. stays committed for a long time and the Iraqis somehow manage to solve some of their many, many problems.

Cordesman doesn’t say so explicitely, but the case he makes for strategic patience is a lost one. All the ifs he attaches to some success are very, very unlikely to happen. A tenuous case indeed.

Some quotes below the fold:

(soory that these are so long, but it’s a 25 page report and the best we’ll get about Iraq.)

(emphases are in the original)

Iraq’s insurgency and civil conflicts have, [..], already done immense damage to virtually every ordinary Iraqi, and there are essentially no provinces where the problem will not produce further hardship and violence, even in a best-case scenario. Iraq may not be Darfur, but to talk about what is happening as something that does not involve immense suffering, that does not involve immense future risk, and for which the US does not have direct moral and ethical responsibility is absurd.

[…]
There is no point in pursuing failed strategies or failed policies. Iraq is a gamble, and one where even the best-managed future US policies may still fail. It is a grim reality that the mistakes and blunders that have dominated US policy in Iraq throughout the US intervention have interacted with Iraqi failures to make any continued US effort one filled with serious risks.

[…]
The idea that General Petraeus can give a military progress report in September that should shape US policy ignores the fact that the fate of Iraq is scarcely dominated by US military action. US policy must look at the political and economic situation, and all of Iraq’s civil conflicts, and must not just focus on Al Qa’ida and the worst elements of the Sadr militia.

For all the reasons described above, the US has a vital national interest in changing the nature of the debate in the US from the current options of either staying the course or rushing out with little regard for the consequences. The domestic US security structure has so far failed to present meaningful options, and seems incapable to doing so. The US team in Iraq, however, is much more experienced, and there is a new degree of realism and competence that clearly can never come from within a failed Bush Administration.

[…]
The drop in violence is tied largely to cooperation with the US. The same fighters that were killing Americans could be killing them again in a matter of weeks or months if the central government does not act, and Sunni tribal loyalty oaths to the government are now worth about as much as central government help to the Sunnis – which is to say that some could prove to be little more than worthless if the central government does not act.

There is a real opportunity that did not exist at the start of the year. What is critical to understand, however, is that while the surge strategy has had value in some areas, much of this progress has not the function of the surge strategy, US planning, or action by the Maliki government. In fact, the “new” strategy President Bush announced in January 2007 has failed in many aspects of its original plan.

[…]
Iraq has not made anything like the political progress required, and the effort to expand and revitalize the US aid effort to help the Iraqi central government improve its dismal standards of governance and economic recovery efforts have already slipped some six months and are far too dependent on the US military.

[…]
Sheer luck has created a major synergy between Sunni willingness to attack Al Qa’ida and other abusive, hard-line Sunni Islamist elements and far more effective US efforts at counterinsurgency.

[…]
Sunnis that were shooting Coalition and ISF forces six months ago now want to work with the central government if the central government will work with them. They will sign loyalty oaths, join the regular police, and join the army if the government will give them money, status, and a share of power. The problem is that this shift is tenuous and depends on reasonably rapid central government action to give the Sunnis what they want. (US officers put the limit of tribal and Sunni patience at 130-180 days).

[…]
A visit to Iraq reveals far less confidence in Maliki at every level than is apparent from the outside. No one seems to trust Maliki outside his immediate coterie, and many Iraqis and US officers and officials in the field feel he has tacitly or actively supported sectarian cleansing in Baghdad and the south.

[…]
The case that Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus make for "strategic patience," and one that President Talibani and Vice President Mahdi make in very similar form, is that Sunni, Shi’ite, and Kurdish leaders are slowly coming together in ways that may develop the ability to evolve a form of central government that would keep Iraq united but devolve enough power and money at the provincial and local level to secure the Shi’ite majority, offer the Kurds what they want most, and give the Sunnis a deal they could possibly accept.

[…]
It must be stressed that nothing about the process will be neat or pretty, or conform to US ideals about political reform. Any such solution will evolve in a morass of feuding, conflicting political signals, staged walkouts, and occasional nasty clashes — some violent. It cannot come in a neat package or come quickly. It will mean agonizing further negotiations, squabbles, and delays.

Success of any kind will require US force reductions to be loosely tied to the pace of Iraqi action, and not some predictable schedule. It will mean that many original US goals in trying to transform Iraq would have failed. A workable compromise cannot reverse many of the impacts of sectarian and ethnic cleansing.

Such a compromise must also effectively devolve substantial amounts of power to Provincial governments to allow the creation of Sunni, Shi’ite, and Kurd controlled sectarian and ethnic partition or enclaves. The resulting local and provincial power structures will sometimes be corrupt, nepotistic, and repressive.

[…]
The structure of the central government is so horribly inefficient, and its ministries so vulnerable to power brokering, corruption, and ethnic and sectarian manipulation that meaningful reform is impossible.

[…]
Can the Iraqi political structure and the US pull this off? The odds are at best even. If the US is to be successful, it must accept the fact this level of risk exists and cannot be eliminated for at least several years. It is important that US decisions be based on honest and objective assessments of the full range of problems that still exist and not Panglossian fantasies about progress that has not really occurred. The situation in Iraq still has many pitfalls, and these can still force the US out of Iraq in failure.

The key risks and problems the US faces can be summarized as follows:

Here comes a detailed seven pages long list of some 19 major possible or likely failure points, from Maliki’s unreliability, through oil industry state, an incompetent U.S. aid process and unreformable partisan police forces.

The paper continues:

At the same time, it is important to point out that the US will have to face many of these risks – or their consequences — in some form regardless of how fast it withdraws its troops. They will haunt the US throughout the life of the next administration and well beyond. This is why the previous list does not address the steadily escalating Iranian intervention in Iraq, and one clearly designed to target US forces as well as divide the country on sectarian lines. The problem of Iran, and the US need to confront it, will be a fact of life in the Gulf regardless of US policy in Iraq and – if anything – will be much worse if the US leaves a power vacuum in Iraq.

Similarly, the US cannot ignore the Kurdish issue and its impact on Turkey and US Turkish relations. The US will have to take some kind of policy stand regarding the future security and autonomy of the Kurds, and cannot ignore Turkish pressure on the Kurds or the dangers posed to Turkey by the PKK. Once again, strategic patience seems to offer the least risk, although scarcely eliminate it.

Finally, very similar considerations are involved in dealing with the Syrian role in Iraq and – far more importantly – the role of friendly Sunni states like Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, US support of the Sunni tribes and more active efforts to end sectarian cleansing are a key to defusing outside Sunni Arab anger against the US, and preserving American strategic interests in the region. They present obvious risks, but the risks in not acting will almost certainly be greater.

[…]
It is just possible that "strategic patience" can work over time. What are the odds of such success? No one can honestly say, but they may well become higher than the 50-50 level if Iraq’s political leaders do move forward by early 2008, if the Sunnis are co-opted by the government and brought into the Iraqi Security Forces, and if the US does not rush out for domestic political purposes.

They will also be greatly improved if the US country team is allowed to develop plans
and budgets for the coming year and longer-term action. The US national security team in
Washington is clearly ineffective and lacking in core competence. Real leadership has to
come from the field and the country team, and has to be exercised in a context where the
issue is the ability to present workable plans for sustained action – not purely military
situation reports or efforts to rush various benchmarks.

[…]
The bad news – and the key factor that makes the case for strategic patience so tenuous – is that the above list of problems is now so long and so critical that some key steps are already badly overdue. Any major Iraqi failure to move forward over the next six months, to come to grips with the realities described above, and to solidly co-opt the Sunni tribes and put a real end to JAM and other Shi’ite sectarian cleansing will make strategic patience of limited value or pointless.

Reading through the above again, tenuous may be an overstatement …

So what should the U.S. do now?

Comments

thanks, b

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 16:25 utc | 1

anthony cordesman, i think

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 16:31 utc | 2

hmm, massive quagmire

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2007 16:41 utc | 3

thanks sloth, corrected (dumb me)
The really simple point why strategic patience (a long term U.S. committment) will fail, comes in this sentence of Cordesman’s synopsis. After explaining the U.S. luck of the timely Sunni “awakening” he writes

Luck, however, is not something that can be ignored, and there is a window of opportunity that could significantly improve the chances of US success in Iraq if the Iraqi government acts upon it.

Not the realtion of interests in that “if”. The government of Iraq needs to act to improve US chances of success. Why the f”’ should they do so?

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 16:43 utc | 4

city after city, town after town, village after village – the americans will try to tear it down but every gesture & action they create – creates the whirlwind that will envelop them
in 2003, i spoke of stalingrad, but what is happening is there is hundreds of little stalingrads – irrevocable defeat faces the empire here whatever way they want to chant their threnody

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 16:56 utc | 5

& there was something i was going to ask b – yesterday on french radio they reported an attack on an american base in afghanistan by battallion strength taliban
do you know more than this & if true what does it tell us?

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 16:58 utc | 6

well, yet more evidence the US cannot leave.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:02 utc | 7

ô, it will leave slothrop – it is just a question of how humiliating they want their departure

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 17:04 utc | 8

creates the whirlwind that will envelop them
how in hell did you get this out of the report?
and stalingrad. what are you talking about? there is no nat’l resistance in iraq against american occupation. none.
you want the US army encircled and destroyed by anyone/anything. reading the report, i cannot imagine a more nihilistic response to the complexity of iraq’s civil war.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:07 utc | 9

@ r’giap #6 – here’s something.

Posted by: beq | Aug 8 2007 17:08 utc | 10

sometimes we need to follow the evidence far enough, even into that liminal moment when our beliefs and desires are controverted by the facts.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:10 utc | 11

@slothrop: Iraqi attitudes continue to shift toward secular values

ANN ARBOR, Mich.—The political values of Iraqis are increasingly secular and nationalistic, according to a series of surveys of nationally representative samples of the population from December 2004-March 2007.

So far, the surveys show a decline in popular support for religious government in Iraq and an increase in support for secular political rule, said sociologist Mansoor Moaddel, who is affiliated with Eastern Michigan University and the University of Michigan Institute for Social Research (ISR).
“Iraqis have a strong sense of national identity that transcends religious and political lines,” Moaddel said. “The recent out-pouring of national pride at the Asian Cup victory of the Iraqi soccer team showed that this sense of national pride remains strong, despite all the sectarian strife and violence.”
In the March 2007 survey, 54 percent of Iraqis surveyed described themselves as “Iraqis, above all,” (as opposed to “Muslims, above all” or “Arabs, above all”) compared with just 28 percent who described themselves that way in April 2006. Three-quarters of Iraqis living in Baghdad said they thought of themselves in terms of their national identity, as Iraqis above all.

BTW slothrop – Cordesman does not make a case to stay. He makes a hypothetical case for “staying very long” and finds it chances to somewhat leed to “success” is very, very low.
@r’giap – Afghanistan – the only news I find of what happened at firebase Anaconda is from the US military. 75 attacked, 25 of them killed. Doesn’t sound likely to me but is possible. It might also have been 300 attacked and 2 dead? I don’t know …

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 17:31 utc | 12

the evidence of a national resistance is clear to everyone except you, slothrop. read some tariq ali – if you want to understand the particular nature of this national resistance
from where i sit – it does not seem very different in nature from the fln war of liberation against the french with all the acts like the bombing of cafés – which the splendid film, ‘ battle of algiers’ does not shy away from
how a resistance, especially a military resistance is constituted is specific to their conditions but i think anyone can see the strategies borrowed from the chinese, from the vietnamese, from the africans especially in their wars of liberation against the portugese
in war, the iraqis are far from naive, it is your naiveté which is startling, by moment

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 17:42 utc | 13

well, let’s be clear the case he makes for staying is based on the contrast to “what seems likely if” US leaves. that contrast (widening war and violence) seems credible, and is the case i’ve argued, entirely on my lonesome, here for some time now.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:42 utc | 14

you didn’t read the article. why not declare cordesman “lackey of empire” and just move on to more satisfying vitriol?

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:44 utc | 15

What should the US do now?
Well, since we had no fucking business invading or any honorable intentions to start with, unless you consider stealing their oil or erecting permanent bases to be honorable, I’d say it’s way passed time to for once do the right thing and get the fuck out, completely.
Next pay massive war reparations.
Next send Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Libby, Wolfowitz, Powell and Rice off to The Hague to answer for their crimes against humanity.

Posted by: ran | Aug 8 2007 17:53 utc | 16

” there is no nat’l resistance in iraq against american occupation. none.”
I don’t understand why you keep saying this. The main resistance group in Iraq is called the Islamic Army of Iraq and often acts as the voice of a various consolidated groups like The Reform and Jihad Front and the Political Office For The Iraqi Resistance. They issue regular statements and communications in Iraq.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 8 2007 17:54 utc | 17

a report that fails to mention the fact that the country under discussion was illegally invaded – that it is illegally occupied – seems completely ludicrous to me
his own extremely speculative position depends on metaphysics – the hopes he speaks of – & of transitory movements amongs tribes that will in the end benefit the resistance & not the occupier. the book by the little british governor rory stewart in ‘occupational hazards’ makes that clear

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 17:57 utc | 18

chinese, from the vietnamese, from the africans
there’s no connection at all to iraq in any of these. iraq was colonized by saffavid persians and ottoman turks, not europeans. comparing iraq to asian revolution is pointless, for obvious reasons others besides myself can see.
the balkans seem the best analogy, yugoslavia dissolution the model. perhaps.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 17:57 utc | 19

anna missed
slothrop keeps saying there is no national resistance because it would complicate the maps he is holding in his hands & the discourse where the people of iraq for all intents & purposes are absent
didn’t you know anna – that all the good guys are at georgetown

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 17:59 utc | 20

i was speaking of military strategies & if you you want precision the military writings of amir cabral, those of lin biao & of giap are not only perfectly applicable in iraq – it is clear they are being enacted – only a fool would presume an absence of coherence in the military strategy of the resistance
you really do mirror whatever it is william kristol says don’t you – there is no qualitative difference – at each gasp of this irrevocable defeat – you can see possible victory by us forces
quite unbelievable

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 18:03 utc | 21

@sloth – believe it or not, I DID read Cordesman, twice, completely.
He doesn’t make the case you say he makes. He doesn’t analyse the Iraqi side of “what seems likely if” US leaves.
The only “negative” he finds in leaving is loss in U.S. power:

It seems likely that the US will ultimately be judged far more by how it leaves Iraq, and what it leaves behind, than how it entered Iraq. The global political image of the US – and its ability to use both “hard” and “soft” power in other areas in the future, depends on what the US does now even more than on what it has done in the past.

and that it might embolden Iran:

The problem of Iran, and the US need to confront it, will be a fact of life in the Gulf regardless of US policy in Iraq and – if anything – will be much worse if the US leaves a power vacuum in Iraq.

He says that there is a moral case the U.S. has to face for the mess it made. He never says that is a case for staying.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 18:04 utc | 22

anna missed. there is no united front. none. read the article. nat’l coordination of insurgency? no way. to the extent one can even suggest an homology of interests is the growing preference for strong federalism politically accommodating the innumerable factions. this is the limit on the political space the US might “influence” as cordesman says.
i share the US out view. but, not so easy if you call the shots, right? in any case, yet another nail in the coffin of the US out now view.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:07 utc | 23

slothrop’s reading of the available evidence – astounding

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 18:14 utc | 24

Slothrop: Love your input, but I think the Bushies could drag a goat to the whitehouse lawn, sodomize it, and you would defend them as great animal lovers. In the meantime, could you please address #’, 16, 17, and 18?

Posted by: Ben | Aug 8 2007 18:16 utc | 25

These worst-case outcomes in Iraq are, however, still theoretical. However, it seems almost certain that the failure of sectarian conciliation (or at least peaceful coexistence) in Iraq would lead to far more polarized sectarian struggles between Sunni and Shi’ite in the region and the Islamic world

that’s what he says. c’mon. that is the projected “seems almost certain” needed by cordesman to justify a lengthy mission.
and i think he’s right, right?

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:16 utc | 26

I don’t defend this illegal war, and never have. it would be best for all concerned if bush’s legacy finds him in front of a firing squad.
the facts are as they are in iraq. i just acknowledge the facts.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:19 utc | 27

if there’s anybody who crazily jackhammers evidence and fantasy to satisfy a theory, it’s you rgiap.
you didn’t read the article.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:23 utc | 28

R’giap is quite right to equate the Iraqi resistance not only in strategic terms, but also in historical terms. Just because the Iraqi resistance doesn’t define itself in palatable left/right western & secular language doesn’t mean such connection(s) doesn’t exist. The problem more likely results from a failure of the traditional left to think beyond its own parameters and limitations. Link#9&10

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 8 2007 18:27 utc | 29

slothrop
you use this article & questionable sources in the past to construct your myth of the absence of a resistance in iraq
you conceivably beleive that they studied nothing at military academies in iraq except for the making of kebabs & old speeches by nasser
your conception of a moving hordes of people ready to rip out the hearts & heads of their opponenets is completely fabulous, completely out of some mania michel malkin mediates
the reality however is quite different – there is obvious proof to anyone following the resistances armed operations – they have studied & studied their enemy deeply. something their enemy has not done
& as i said you only have to look at the fln & their military strategy against the french – to see it being enacted here
cordeman might be yours & kristols current cult but – whichever way you cut the sanwich – iraq is the site of the defeat of the empire

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 18:30 utc | 30

My fear is that some in the US policy group still believe that they can ultimately prevail through never-before-tried unmanned drone/robot warfare fought by computer from an air-conditioned room just outside of Los Vegas, against an increasingly depopulated distopia: No water, no food, no plumbing, etc. Robots don’t need these things.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 8 2007 18:33 utc | 31

cockburn

“The US and Britain have a policy of trying to fill the vacuum left by the Baath disappearing, but it is unsuccessful,” says Ahmed Chalabi, out of office but still one of the most astute political minds in Iraq. ” Now the Americans and British want to disengage, but if they do so the worst fears of their Arab allies will come to pass: Shia control and strong Iranian influence in Iraq.”
The hidden history of the past four years is that the US wants to defeat the Sunni insurgents but does not want the Shia-Kurdish government to win a total victory. It props up the Iraqi state with one hand and keeps it weak with the other.

tangled web we weave.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:38 utc | 32

still didn’t read the article, eh?

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:40 utc | 33

A review of the years of the war on Iraq: The surge: a special report by Patrick Cockburn

The hidden history of the past four years is that the US wants to defeat the Sunni insurgents but does not want the Shia-Kurdish government to win a total victory. It props up the Iraqi state with one hand and keeps it weak with the other.
The Iraqi intelligence service is not funded through the Iraqi budget, but by the CIA. Iraqi independence is far more circumscribed than the outside world realises. The US is trying to limit the extent of the Shia-Kurdish victory, but by preventing a clear winner emerging in the struggle for Iraq, Washington is ensuring that this bloodiest of wars goes on, with no end in sight.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 18:41 utc | 34

anna missed
it’s over my head perhaps, but how you arrive at your conclusion based on the evidence is baffling. iraq is in the midst of civil war, americans or no. a civil war, anna missed, not a nat’l struggle against occupation.
US the fuck out of iraq. now. then in 2 years, we can reminisce about the good old days of occupation and urge the eurocorps to lead the world’s obligation to intervene.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 18:48 utc | 35

hell, anna missed, didn’t you know fellah – that before the u s arrived – these barbarians were at each others throats like a pack of wolves using everything in their armory against one another
& then thankfully the americans arrived & they calmed everything down with the fair & businesslike manner – showing these savages how to organise a meeting using powerpoint, for example
& anna missed, are you so stupid as not see that all ‘our’ strategic interests are at risk by those farsi thugs – who are influencing the not very bright iraquis
fortunately there are think tanks & owned universities where the real thinking can be done

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 18:55 utc | 36

What the US command should do is one thing. (Aim their guns at their supreme commanders perhaps? Or possibly get out of the killing trade.) What it will do is however obvious. It will stay as long as (1) it can and (2) the occupation puts money into the right pockets.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Aug 8 2007 18:55 utc | 37

@slothrop
you claim, somehow incoherently for my understanding:
– there is no national resistance in iraq
– the U.S. has to stay because things might get worse
The first is not supported in my view as major parts of the resistance Sunni and Shia are expressing nationalistic views. Sadr and the (sunni) Islamic army of Iraq are two major fractions who will at some point have to compromise over influence, money etc., but they basicly agree. Simply usual politics with basic (nationalistic) agreement.
I fail to find any sources that would agree with your view (except maybe Galbraith who supports partition because the Kurds pay him sine the early 1990s). You fail to provide sources that support that view.
I do find lots of signs that support the view of a national resistance and a military strategy to get the U.S. out. Today another major bridge went down in Iraq. The resistance is isolating U.S. troops. It will continue to do so and then hit province by province, camp by camp, convoy by convoy. It’s a longterm plan, quite realistic in my view, for a victory in maybe three/four years.
The second point that things may get worse – well, they will get worse if the U.S. leaves or not. They will hardly get worse for the Iraqi children in Baghdad who had no water for the last six days. If they had water it was contaminated. Diarrhea without medical attendance is deadly for young children.
How bad must it get for them to not to die?
The problem you have, like Congress, CFR and the usual DC media folks, is that things would be worse for the hard/soft U.S. imperial power if it would leave now. It would be a declaration of defeat. You and others do not want to face the inevitable and try to stick to some horror scenario for Iraqis that is reality today.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 19:03 utc | 38

Simply usual politics with basic (nationalistic) agreement.
again, this claim is certainly unsupported by the very link you provide to cordesman’s work.
seriously, do whatever makes you happy, but this accusation i don’t cite for support is absurd. i do so more than anyone here. please.
the longish paper alamet cited a few weeks ago about the situation in basra provides still more proof not even a solidarity among somewhat culturally homogeneous shia is achievable.
there’s much more evidence.
but, it’s hard to imagine a worsening situation there. but, again, cordesman’s justifications for staying are reasonable. i don’t doubt his reasons at all.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 19:17 utc | 39

no, you wouldn’t

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 19:21 utc | 40

i could also care less the US withdrawal is perceived as “defeat.” who bloody cares? the only people who lost are the peoples of mesopotamia.
and i have always argued, the abstract “defeat” of US is good for the world, if by defeat is meant end to resource confiscation, permanent bases, support for israel’s likud/right and venal kleptocratic arab tyrants, and interminable belligerence directed against iran.
but not at the expense of an even more colossal disaster in the region. this is the “seems certain” of cordesman’s which cannot be easily dismissed.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 19:28 utc | 41

seriously, do whatever makes you happy, but this accusation i don’t cite for support is absurd. i do so more than anyone here. please.
Note that the slothrop comment comes WITHOUT any link or quote supporting his claims.
there’s much more evidence.
Link, quote, support?
but, it’s hard to imagine a worsening situation there. but, again, cordesman’s justifications for staying are reasonable. i don’t doubt his reasons at all.
Sloth – you are degrading yourself before our eyes (has happened before).
Cordesman does not argue for staying. I have provided the relevant Cordesman quotes above. He thinks staying has a tiny little unlikely chance of winning whatever that may mean (he doesn’t know).
Can you refute that with quotes, information, facts. Did you ever try?

There are a lot of questions posted above you never did answer. Maybe you should go to bad and read some Superman comics. Might help to get new ideas …

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 19:31 utc | 42

Sorry folks for falling to sloth’s provocations again. I, by heard, know it’s probably useless, but somehow I still try to find some ideas in his soup that is valuable. Failed again …
So let me repeat the original question: “what should the U.S. do now?”
Remove all troops from Iraq is inevitable, (though “serious people” in Washington will fight that for some years to come). What should be the U.S. position in the Middle East?

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 19:59 utc | 43

“strategic patience” is open-ended depending on process. read the last bit:

It is just possible that “strategic patience” can work over time. What are the odds of such success? No one can honestly say, but they may well become higher than the 50-50 level if Iraq’s political leaders do move forward by early 2008, if the Sunnis are co-opted by the government and brought into the Iraqi Security Forces, and if the US does not rush out for domestic political purposes.

presently, there is enough justification to surge through 2008. he also does not disagree withdrawal will require two or more years.
do i get a good grade, master b?
here’s the ICG report
you are degrading yourself before our eyes (has happened before).
i don’t need to defend myself against your occasional incompetence. the whole ukraine/stalin thing is proof that even you make mistakes. so do i.
all you think to do is respond to my comments w/ puerile ridicule/ i’ve never done the same to you. never.
say the word. i’ll stop posting if you wish.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 20:00 utc | 44

b. i am amazed at the preferred readings you demand for this material. and what’s the point, really? you simply want to close off debate.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 20:05 utc | 45

do i get a good grade, master b?
No. try again elsewhere.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2007 20:23 utc | 46

the endless strategy of u s power in the middle east has been to assassinate its leaders, destroy secular organisations – political parties, union movements, destabilse, create client states
& all this without looking at a real future -even by their barbaric terms
there is only one thing that interests u s power in the middle east (as elsewhere) & that is its resources
as i have sd this war & the coming wars in the middle east whether it is lebanon, syria or iran are simply steps in the long war against china. at least that much is clear & that much has been consistant with the elites of the u s for some time
what is new however – is the scale of violence used against these people
for many decades – it was just pure neglect – or manouvering this or that piece with this or that of their despots with the people always paying the fucking facture
cordesman & his ilk – speak of iraq in the most contemptous way – & i see the critique of slothrop by b in that sense – that there is a wholly contemtible rhetorical exercise which leaves out the most important truth
that the middle east is the way it is largely if not soley because of the diabolic works of the u s empire
israel has been supported under each & every condition & has often been encouraged to do its worst – some of its worst leaders are lackeys – interdependant lackeys that in effect risk profoundly any real future of israel
lebanon has been a cynical exercise in regional destabilisation until u s power under reagan was taught the terrible lesson of the bombing of their army barracks – after which they left very quickly indeed – a violence incidentally the lebanese had been experiencing under such client groups as the phalangist gemayals & this or that group that benefited their interests
jordan is a joke a very bad joke & it will become even worse when the israeli state offers again the jordanian solution to the palestinian problem
syria has been destabilised now for decades – it is a wonder they have any leadership of all
the gulf states in the best tafikkeyeh form are both clients & complices – compradors in the suffering of the arab people & slaveowners to the population of asia who build their cities, look after their children & wipe their asses
iraq & iran were always the prizes the u s empire has wanted & it will do anything to retain them. at any cost
egypt, its ‘democracy’ in the middle east will one day blow up in their faces so badly the world will hold its breath
so for slothrop to say, to isolate, to cite this or that scholar who has this or that interest to protect & fail to mention the real source of the majority of problems in the middle east is an exercise in rhetoric so poor – i would hope he is ashamed of himself

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 21:34 utc | 47

Intending to merely skim the report’s conclusions I ended up reading it closely with a growing, somewhat morbid fascination at how Cordsman manages both to confront the overwhelming evidence of systematic failure, and then to recommend hanging on for another Friedman, or six, in hopes that it will all turn out for the best (for the USA, of course) somehow.
Incredible.
The juxtaposition of the following two sentences had me writhing.

… professionalism has replaced the vacuous ideological reliance on hope that crippled much of the initial US effort.

It is just possible that “strategic patience” can work over time. What are the odds of such success? No one can honestly say, but they may well become higher than the 50-50 level if Iraq’s political leaders do move forward by early 2008, if the Sunnis are co-opted by the government and brought into the Iraqi Security Forces, and if the US does not rush out for domestic political purposes.

He uses the word “hope” seven times.
Reading between the lines he is essentially pointing out the similarity between the prospects of US “success” and a snowball in Baghdad in the summer. I agree with comments here that it is not so much if as when the US will have to leave; and in the meantime why would anyone help them out?
From an historical view, what will be the result of the Iraqi campaign?
Positives:
* Destruction of much of US “soft” power globally
* Permanent weakening of US financial power
* At least a temporary reduction in US military power
* Development of anti-empire coalitions around the globe
Negatives:
* Primarily the impact on Iraqis as human beings
* Breakdown of international law and order generally
* Collateral cover for Zionist regime
* Rise of fascism in USA
So it goes…

Posted by: PeeDee | Aug 8 2007 22:16 utc | 48

from april this year
“Printable version
The Iraqi Resistance Only Exists To End The Occupation
Haifa Zangana
The Guardian/UK
April 12, 2007
The Escalating Attacks Are Not Usually Aimed at Civilians, But Are a Direct Response to the Brutal Actions of US-Led Troops
In Muqdadiyah, 50 miles from Baghdad, a woman wearing a traditional Iraqi abaya blew herself up this week in the midst of Iraqi police recruits. This was the seventh suicide attack by a women since the Anglo-American invasion in 2003, and an act unheard of before that. Iraqi women are driven to despair and self-destruction by grief. Their expectations are reduced to pleas for help to clear the bodies of the dead from the streets, according to a report by the international committee of the Red Cross, released yesterday. It’s the same frustration that drew hundreds of thousands to demonstrate against foreign forces in Najaf on Monday.In the fifth year of occupation, the sectarian and ethnic divide between politicians, parties and their warring militias has become monstrous, turning on its creators in the Green Zone and beyond, and not sparing ordinary people. One of the consequences.
During the first three years of occupation women were mostly confined to their homes, protected by male relatives. But now that the savagery of their circumstances has propelled many of them to the head of their households, they are risking their lives outdoors. Since men are the main target of US-led troops, militias and death squads, black-cloaked women are seen queuing at prisons, government offices or morgues, in search of disappeared, or detained, male relatives. It is women who bury the dead. Baghdad has become a city of bereaved women. But contrary to what we are told by the occupation and its puppet regime, this is not the only city that is subject to the brutality that forces thousands of Iraqis to flee their country every month.
Bodies are found across the country from Mosul to Kirkuk to Basra. They are handcuffed, blindfolded and bullet-ridden, bearing signs of torture. They are dumped at roadsides or found floating in the Tigris or Euphrates. A friend of mine who found her brother’s body in a hospital’s fridge told me how she checked his body and was relieved. “He was not tortured”, she said. “He was just shot in the head.”
Occupation has left no room for any initiative independent of the officially sanctioned political process; for a peaceful opposition or civil society that could create networks to bridge the politically manufactured divide. Only the mosque can fulfil this role. In the absence of the state, some mosques provide basic services, running clinics or schools. In addition to the call to prayer, their loudspeakers warn people of impending attacks or to appeal for blood donors.
But these attempts to sustain a sense of community are regularly crushed. On Tuesday, troops from the Iraqi army, supported by US helicopters, raided a mosque in the heart of old Baghdad. The well-respected muazzin Abu Saif and another civilian were executed in public. Local people were outraged and attacked the troops. At the end of the day, 34 people had been killed, including a number of women and children. As usual, the summary execution and the massacre that followed were blamed on insurgents. The military statement said US and Iraqi forces were continuing to “locate, identify, and engage and kill insurgents targeting coalition and Iraqi security forces in the area”.
It is important to recognise that the resistance was born not only of ideological, religious and patriotic convictions, but also as a response to the reality of the brutal actions of the occupation and its administration. It is a response to arbitrary break-ins, humiliating searches, arrests, detention and torture. According to the Red Cross, “the number of people arrested or interned by the multinational forces has increased by 40% since early 2006. The number of people held by the Iraqi authorities has also increased significantly.”
Many of the security detainees are women who have been subjected to abuse and rape and who are often arrested as a means to force male relatives to confess to crimes they have not committed. According to the Iraqi MP Mohamed al-Dainey, there are 65 documented cases of women’s rape in occupation detention centres in 2006. Four women currently face execution — the death penalty for women was outlawed in Iraq from 1965 until 2004 — for allegedly killing security force members. These are accusations they deny and Amnesty International has challenged.
There is only one solution to this disaster, and that is for the US and Britain to accept that the Iraqi resistance is fighting to end the occupation. And to acknowlege that it consists of ordinary Iraqis, not only al-Qaida, not just Sunnis or Shias, not those terrorists — as Tony Blair called them — inspired by neighbouring countries such as Iran. To recognise that Iraqis are proud, peace-loving people, and that they hate occuption, not each other. And to understand that the main targets of the resistance are not Iraqi civilians. According to Brookings, the independent US research institute, 75% of recorded attacks are directed at occupation forces, and a further 17% at Iraqi government forces. The average number of attacks has more than doubled in the past year to about 185 a day. That is 1,300 a week, and more than 5,500 a month.
Another way of understanding this is that in any one hour, day or night, there are seven or eight new attacks. Without the Iraqi people’s support, directly and indirectly, this level of resistance would not have happened.
____________________
Haifa Zangana, an Iraqi exile who was imprisoned by Saddam Hussein, is the author of Women on a Journey: Between Baghdad and London

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 8 2007 22:19 utc | 49

i have no quarrel w/ anything you say. what europe, russia, and US have done to the ME is ignominious and criminal.
i don’t however abide by your hateful conflation of my concern for the here and now problems faced by the entire world, with a role i’m supposed to play as your enemy, your exact political opposite. that’s your choice.
why is the justification cordesman gives unreasonable? the regional violence is likely to worsen w/ an american withdrawal. you have never to my knowledge offered any support for your assumption US withdrawal will stabilize the region. the only support you offer is a kind of orientalism vastly generalizing the experience and interests of abstractions you refer to as “arab” or “iraqi.” your insistence the interests and histories of the various factions are actually guided by some meta-fidelity to pluralist nationalism is betrayed not merely by history, but by actual events on the ground. and yet, even these contradictions are transmogrified by your contempt into a history created only by the US for all “arabs” and a civil war entirely staged by the oz-like manipulation of the greenzone (conspiracy!).
you believe in magic, in other words.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 8 2007 22:45 utc | 50

except for your here & now is very much like an american film about vietnam – the real perpetrators & the real victims are missing
your here & now is profoundly rascist so you need to accuse me of orientalism because i possess actual concern for a living people. your posts i think are the proof of the pudding because we can go back over the ones you have written even this year – & nowhere do the people exist except as abstractions & if we go back further to the posts written at the beginning of this illegal & immoral war – you treated the resistance without outright contempt. they are there to be read. you called those of us here who thought we saw the development of a war of national liberation being formed as completely cuckoo – you mirrored not only william kristol but also the talk of cheney & rumsfield. you spoke of the ‘foreign fighters’ (especially during the battles of fallujah) when they did not exist, you spoke of the baathists when it was clear to one & all that they have been transformed by historical circumstance
it was you slothrop & to a certain degree billmon who rushed to the shïite – sunni massacre meme – constantly & by inference calling the resistance barbarian in everything but name – at the least you were wholly contemptuous
you speak rhetorically of ‘events on the ground’ but it seems to me that the only events on the ground you refer to come out of thinktanks & it would seem to me you have not used sites such as today in iraq or other sites that catalogue painfully the real ‘events on the ground’
& as your position becomes completely untenable – i approach all you say with caution & with concern – because i do not know whether it is a innocence (real or otherwise) which i find very hard to believe – when as i have sd – the parallels between your position & kristols are for all intents a purposes are qualitatively the same
once you spoke of the enormity & ferocity of u s powere & now you infer its profound humanitarian concern
i did not believe you before & i argued with you – i do not believe you now so i argue with you

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 9 2007 0:00 utc | 51

breather
but you knew this.

Posted by: beq | Aug 9 2007 0:55 utc | 52

Remove all troops from Iraq is inevitable, (though “serious people” in Washington will fight that for some years to come). What should be the U.S. position in the Middle East?
I know it sounds crazy, but I think the U.S. military should defend North America. With the money saved from World Cop deployments, I think we could afford to rebulid the domestic U.S. oil business and become less dependent on imported crude. In the meantime, withdrawl from the Middle East means cutting off aid to Israel. Maybe we get a few brownie points with the Gulf states. Maybe the whole region goes to hell in a handbasket. Maybe that is what it will take to settle all the grievances, blood fueds, and lunatic ambitions. The U.S. is a spent force anyway. Makes sense to quit and go home before Israel rearranges the furniture in Syria or Iran.
W.

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Aug 9 2007 1:05 utc | 53

America has the Kurds on thier side plus the Iranian backed SCRI and DAWA and who knows how many kool-aid democracy drinkers from all sects yet they still lose a dozen troops a day and spend 10 billion a month after four and half years of trying to install a government. And yet slothrop still writes:
there is no nat’l resistance in iraq against american occupation. none.
How is it that the most powerful military the planet has ever seen cannot install a government in a small third world country that has no “nat’l resistance” and lots of local support? And what does the top religous leader in Iraq have to say about this:
Some major Iraqi players, such as top Shi’ite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, were willing to talk to the United Nations but not the United States or Britain, Khalilzad said.
Why is America suckholing to the UN for help in Iraq if it so omnipotent
Every day we are reading more and more mea culpas on Iraq from those that thought it would be such a swell idea to invade and occupy an Arab country despite the fact that the evidence stared them right in the face for decades i.e. Gaza and the West Bank. To a population brought up on occupation of Arab lands is good and must be supported by our tax dollars it is easy to see how one could fall into that trap.
And just because all the resistance factions don’t see see eye to eye, it is absurd to dismiss it as not national in nature. They are all fighting the same occupier and the same puppet government to free their country. Does it really matter whether US troops are blown up by Al Queda or Sunni resistance fighters or Sadr?

Posted by: Sam | Aug 9 2007 3:01 utc | 54

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, were willing to talk to the United Nations
this would be meaningful if sistani was a galvanizing force to save “iraq.”
but he’s not. not at all.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 9 2007 3:48 utc | 55

slothrop:
this would be meaningful if sistani was a galvanizing force to save “iraq.”
but he’s not. not at all.

Did you even read my post? What difference does it make whether or not he can galvanize Iraq?

Posted by: Sam | Aug 9 2007 4:00 utc | 56

Is it surprising that there is a civil war in Iraq? After the U.S. invaded it made one particular political party illegal, the secular Baath Party, through the de-Baathificatin order of the CPA. Whereby their ranking Sunni members were rounded up and or run out of their military, civilian, and political positions and left disenfranchised. A constitution, ghost written by the U.S. was implemented that pre-figured ethnic/sectarian quotas on the “to be elected” government. Which predictably, resulted in the country being divided further along ethnic/sectarian lines reflecting demographic percentages, and a tyranny of the majority – led by scorned and formerly exiled sectarian politicians. That also happened to be under the protection and facilitation of the occupying military power making them a de-facto quisling (at the least) of U.S. long term interests. The net effect of which, was the entire Sunni population became politically and economically disenfranchised and punished militarily by the occupier by their ideological enemies, for the sins of the former regime.
So sure its a civil war, because one entire faction of the country has been left without recourse, because another faction of the country has allied itself with the sin of an occupying power, in their subjugation. Resistance to the occupation then, must include resistance to collaboration – a point driven home all the more explicitly by resistance also to the Islamic State in Iraq (AQ). Civil strife is a by-product of both occupation and resistance.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 9 2007 5:15 utc | 57

anna missed Whereby their ranking Sunni members were rounded up and or run out of their military, civilian, and political positions and left disenfranchised.
’rounded up’ doesn’t really do justice to what really happened to them. all the pilots from the iran /iraq war were targeted. the death squads..lists were made. you couldn’t get a devent job in iraq unless you belonged to the baath party. it wiped out all the professionals , most (who didn’t get killed) have left the country.
also, the disbanding of the military left thpusands of military age men without work, without a way to feeg their families. these weren’t just sunni. a large percentage joined militias which i posit was the intent. we couldn’t have had a war otherwise. we created an enemy, by design.
imagine for a second what would have happened if all had gone smoothly. how would the contractors have made any money?

Posted by: annie | Aug 9 2007 5:31 utc | 58

jesus, sorry re typos

Posted by: annie | Aug 9 2007 5:33 utc | 59

good points annie and anna missed.
without chaos and resistance, how could out eternal presence be justified? and without our eternal presence, how do we control the oil and how do the war profiteers KBR/Blackwater etc. eternally profit, ie how do the original unstated Shrubco objectives get achieved?

Posted by: ran | Aug 9 2007 5:44 utc | 60

@beq
Thanks for the great YouTube link. I am going to distribute it widely and hope others will too. Americans are clueless on this subject.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 9 2007 5:48 utc | 61

the unguarded ammo dumps, the arming of any and every faction this side of avowed AQ, the sneering and frank contempt of Bremer et al for their new colonial subjects, the murderous Israeli style occupation tactics, then endless litany of “incompetence” on the part of the occupiers makes alot more sense from that perspective.

Posted by: ran | Aug 9 2007 5:51 utc | 62

thanks bea for reminding me! beq, i loved that video. i got lost (at leats an hr)on some other pinky videos from the site, posted it somewhere too..

Posted by: annie | Aug 9 2007 6:01 utc | 63

One point that is always overlooked in the stupid debate about whether it will be worse if USuk leaves is that the Salvador Option, which has been clearly been used in the past two years, would hopefully end with the withdrawal. These operations will dry up when the cash flow does. One suspects that the prime reason to start the Salvador Option was to create an argument against a withdrawal.

Posted by: biklett | Aug 9 2007 6:34 utc | 64

biklett:
One suspects that the prime reason to start the Salvador Option was to create an argument against a withdrawal.
Uh no. Government installation 101 equals eliminate opposition.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 9 2007 7:58 utc | 65

Case in point #57:

Reporting for IPS, Ahmed Ali writes that the Badr organization has been the dominant political player in Ba’quba, the principal city in the province, since the 2003 overthrow of the old regime, according to residents. Badr loyalists fill important official positions at the municipal and provincial levels. Meanwhile, Sunni Iraqis complain of underrepresentation.
Most disturbingly, residents told IPS that the political power of the Badr and SIIC have allowed Badr militamen to infiltrate the local security forces and carry out killing and kidnapping operations, usually targeting Diyala’s Sunnis.
IPS heard from residents that Badr-affiliated policemen often raid Sunni homes during the night, taking away men whose bodies are later recovered in the streets.
[…]
The perceived association between the police and the Iranian-backed Badr militia has led to open conflict between Diyala residents and the police. Some groups have set up roadblocks to prevent police access to their districts at night, IPS reports. These have been the sites of armed clashes between residents and “people wearing police uniforms attempting to enter,” the agency writes.
“All the attacks on the Iraqi police and army have been a reaction to the sectarian orientation of the police and Iraqi army,” said Ali Juma’a, a retired Iraqi army officer. “They (Badr Organisation affiliated Iraqi police) targeted the officers of the previous Iraq army, military pilots who took part in the Iraq-Iran war, members of the (deposed) Ba’th party, and others,” he told IPS.
Checkpoints are notoriously dangerous for Sunnis in Diyala Province, IPS writes, reporting on the reputation of death squads for discerning the sectarian identity of Iraqis from their ID cards and “disappearing” those from the “wrong” sect.

Pretty clear example of how the U.S. supported Iraqi government, has allowed their primary militia group, the Badr, to assume control in Diyala and engage in ethnic cleansing of the Sunni’s and precipitating civil war as a matter of official U.S. sponsored policy. the reaction to which is easily dubbed “terrorism”.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 9 2007 18:35 utc | 66

& the murder of those at haditha yet again today legitimised in what passes for a tibunal in the empire
let us be clear – the u s plan is implicitly genocidal
it is stupid in this slaughterhouse the empire has created to think of laws & rights
ô yeh, hell – lucky that those americans are there in haditha protecting the people of iraq

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 9 2007 18:47 utc | 67

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Sorry we’re a bit late posting on this exhaustive thread but thought we should anyway.
From the comments above it’s clear that there’s great interest in the subject of the resistance movement in Iraq and – as in the world at large – an intense curiosity about how they see themselves, what motivates them and what, if any, are their political goals.
Mr Cordesman and others like him (including Bernhard) have done laudable work over the past four years in analyzing the trends among those who are violently opposed to the occupation of Iraq but there’s still no real substitute for on-the-ground reporting of this topic.
We spent 10 months in Baghdad doing just that and our documentary film, “Meeting Resistance” will begin its theatrical run in LA tomorrow, followed by other cities beginning in September and DVD availability shortly after that. It seems that most posters on here will find the film of great interest and value. You can sign up for our email list at http://meetingresistance.com/learn.html. If you can’t make LA but know people who can, please let them know and we’ll stay in touch to notify you of the other screenings.
Bernhard, please forgive the shameless use of your site to plug the film but, we’re sure you’ll agree that this is an essential addition to the debate. If you could put a note on the front page, we’d be enormously grateful:)
Anna missed: If you look back over the weeks, there’s a possibility that Badr could be cleansing the area of Shia. Now there’s an interesting thought….

Posted by: Steve & Molly | Aug 9 2007 18:58 utc | 68


oh good grief. ok. why? what possible interest is served for anyone except specific factions by civil war?
this incident is far from proof of american “policy”

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 9 2007 18:59 utc | 69

responding to anna missed

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 9 2007 19:00 utc | 70

later, off to work(again)

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 9 2007 19:21 utc | 71

sheesh slothrop, why won’t you see what is in front of your nose? The Shi’ite are in power because the US government put them there. The Badr organization is our organization. If they go around killing Sunni they have at least tacit approval from the US.
You should ask yourself how do these acts benefit the Shi’ites? What is the long range goal, to exterminate the Sunni? It is terrorism, pure and simple against Iraqi citizens carried out by forces supported by the US. If the goals were reconciliation and nation building this action would seem to me quite counter productive.
the other possibility is that there Iraqi nationalist who are determined to make Iraq completely ungovernable through terrible violence. anyone who collaborates with the invader is killed and since the US is charged with security in Iraq the blame rightly falls onto them.
any way you look at it the only solution is to remove the irritant. there may very well be a brief period of score settling and consolidation of power but then life can return to normal. there is no chance of this happening while the US is occupying Iraq. 60 years of Israeli occupation of Palestine proves that.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 9 2007 19:50 utc | 72

60 years of Israeli occupation of Palestine proves that.
Exactly!

@Steve & Molly – I’ll promote your movie.
Did you have the chance to hire Nir Rosen?

Evening in Erbil, Kurdistan, what passes for an oasis of peace in Iraq. It’s March 2006, and I’m waiting for a ride down to Baghdad along one of the world’s most dangerous roads, a six-hour drive through the Sunni Triangle.

The only way to avoid being seized by one of the many militias that terrorize Iraq is to travel with your own militia, and so the documentary film director I am working for has paid $7,000 to a private security company to take us to Baghdad.

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 20:50 utc | 73

i’m sorry i don’t detect a masterplan of domination concocted by the US using civil war. on one hand, we have the US ostensibly creating sunni militias to reclaim sunni neighborhoods in baghdad, and on the other hand we have greenzone-sanctioned shia militias cleansing neighborhoods of sunni?
what? this proves clusterfuck, but no genius US mediation of civil war.
if, a big if, US management of civil war is so deviously competent, then the contradictory support of all militias at once might produce force stalemate and longrun conciliation. which would be a preferred outcome.
i doubt US has this magus-like ingenuity. but who knows.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 9 2007 20:50 utc | 74

@Steve & Molly – wrong assumption on my side – your FAQ says you stopped coverage in 2004. So no coincidence with Rosen’s support for a documentary in 2006.
Anyway – sounds like an interesting movie.

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2007 20:56 utc | 75

Thanks B,
That’s really gentlemanly of you.
Although we know Nir we haven’t worked with him. He’s done sterling work in Iraq and continues to do so. We just worked with a driver and translator and depended mostly on a small footprint. It must also be noted that Nir is talking there about March 2006 by which time the work we did had become impossible for Western journalists and incredibly hazardous even for Iraqi’s.
On the website we have FAQ that describes our methodology in a reasonable amount of detail.

Posted by: Steve & Molly | Aug 9 2007 21:14 utc | 76

B,
Our posts crossed, it seems. But we knew you’d investigate further and work it out:)

Posted by: Steve & Molly | Aug 9 2007 21:17 utc | 77

slothrop:
i’m sorry i don’t detect a masterplan of domination concocted by the US using civil war.
Just curious what do you call invading a country and installing Iranian armed, backed and trained militia to head the government and the Interior Ministry?

Posted by: Sam | Aug 10 2007 1:05 utc | 78

the US did not “install” an iran-friendly government. that government was installed by an election. it is widely known sistani completely outmaneuvered bremer on the election issue.
again no proof US created as a matter of policy a civil war, beginning w/ the election of a shia government.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 1:14 utc | 79

slothrop
are you completely blind

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 10 2007 1:21 utc | 80

as your political Other i need to forewarn you that defense of the view: “US installed iran-friendly regime” will be impossible to arrange even by reference to any alt-conspiracy theory you can find on the internets.
if you can prove it w/out massive hyperbole, i’ll loan you part of my heart. mine’s big enough for the both of us.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 1:44 utc | 81

Phyllis Bennis on the Iraqi constitution. A prediction that has come true, years before the fact:

The constitution calls for a federal system of government, in which despite language to the contrary, the sectors are almost certain to be determined by Iraqis’ ethnic and religious identity. The division of Iraqis into Shia’, Sunni, Kurdish, Turkoman, Assyrian, Christian identities is the basis for the US-created Iraqi Governing Council, and is the likely basis of the division of power within a “federal” Iraqi system. This causes three major problems: 1) there is no representation for Iraqis who identify first as Iraqi citizens, and only secondarily as Shia’a, Kurds, or whatever. 2) The ethnic/religious quotas assume that all Kurds, Shia’a, Sunni, Assyrians, or others represent monolithic political blocs. 3) A system based on ethnic or religious sectoral interests is inherently unstable, in most cases giving minority and majority populations too little or too much power, and undermining national identity as Iraqis. Lebanon’s years of confessional (religiously determined) division and war demonstrates the potential dangers.

I dont know what our friend slothrop will accept as proof of policy, but U.S. guidance, influence, or iron fist if you will, in the central role in drafting of the Iraqi constitution makes pretty obvious a constitution guaranteed to prevent and stamp out pan Iraqi nationalism and if not create the conditions of civil war, create the conditions of ethnic strife to the degree necessary to prevent the formation of nationalism not complicit to U.S. interests. A rational person would expect that if the prospects for civil war were historically present a-priori, and a clear and present danger, that the constitution as (ghost) written would have been forseen as the worst possable construct that could be imposed. Seeing how it was not – and was in fact rammed down the Iraqi’s throat – I see nothing but a clear intention to do so.
The constitution, for example, would give Kurds, who represent about 20% of the population, a veto over acceptance of the future permanent constitution. This would take place in the context of Kurdish opposition to any future constitution, since Kurds constitute the majority in three provinces, and the interim constitution insures that a law, or permanent constitution, would fail if it is opposed by a majority of people in at least three provinces. Along with the problem of forcing a religious or ethnic identity for people wanting to assert and build a national Iraqi identity instead, it is not at all clear that most Iraqis support the kind of federal system imposed in the constitution. There is little indication that any serious effort was made to consult with large sectors of the Iraqi people before determining such a drastic framework.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 10 2007 3:22 utc | 82

The last paragraph is from Bennis, not me – thought I clipped it out.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 10 2007 3:26 utc | 83

you might sort of be on to something ann missed. but, no way US engineered the federalism issue. to be sure, there is much evidence of support for a continuum of federalism/partition in
the foreign policy establishment (like galbraith). from allawi’s book:

By 1992, SCIRI had become a major player in the Iraqi opposition. It also began to evolve a political programme that went beyond the generalities of the Islamist framework. As its relationship with the Kurds changed from that of a tactical wartime alliance into a long-term and strategic relationship, so did its views on federalism, a key Kurdish demand. It began to acknowledge the concept as a valid principle for the restructuring of Iraq’s political life, casting it in the framework of the Islamic concept of wilayet. SCIRI, however, stood firmly against the threat of the division of Iraq into statelets for the Kurds, Shi’a and Sunni.

The focus on issues that disproportionately affected the Shi’a of Iraq, which included the environmental catastrophe of the draining of the marshlands and many specific human rights abuses, also accelerated the formation of an evolving Shi’a political identity. Dr Sahib al-Hakim uncovered many violations and published a detailed expose of how Saddam’s regime had committed atrocities against 4,000 Shi’a women, through a systematic campaign of rape, torture and murder. By the end of the 1990s, the ranks of those who were calling for a special status for the Shi’a of Iraq had swelled enormously.
These evolving currents of a separate Shi’a consciousness found their most complete expression in a manifesto entitled `The Declaration of the Shi’a of Iraq; issued in July 2002.’9 It was written by Mowaffaq al-Rubai’e, Ali Allawi and Sahib al-Hakim. The Declaration drew in a wide range of participants from academic, professional, religious, tribal and military backgrounds. Over 400 Iraqi Shi’a opinion leaders in exile signed it. The Declaration called for a new Iraq based on the three principles of democracy, federalism and community rights. While not explicitly demanding a Shi’a region, the `Declaration’ did itot rule this out. It stressed that the Iraqi state was inherently sectarian in nature and that the structures of institutional discrimination against the Shi’a had to be completely dismantled.

In response to these pressures, the State Department hurriedly organised a conference on the future government of Iraq to be held in Nasiriya.” Zalmay Khalilzad led the US side. The State Department sent a high-level contingent to the conference, headed by Ryan Crocker, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, who also acted as the conference’s moderator. The conference opened on 15 April, 2003. Jay Garner made his first public appearance to the assembled Iraqis. The organisers had invited the entire leadership council of the Salahuddin Conference. (SCIRI and the Da’awa Party – the latter was not in the leadership council – declined to attend.) The conference was accompanied by Islamist demonstrations in Nasiriya.
The conference adopted a thirteen-point programme, calling for democracy, a federal system for Iraq, and respect for the rule of law. ‘3 It also demanded the dissolution of the Ba’ath Party.

For the first time in modern history, the fall of the regime confronted Iraqis with the question of where their true loyalties and identities lay. The public airing of community differences and grievances had previously been taboo. Any mention of them, or any suggestion that the state was institutionally biased against certain communities, was drowned in a sea of vituperative condemnation, and was equated with treasonous talk that aimed at undermining national unity.’ Even a casual acknowledgement of sectarian and ethnic grievances would open the country to the dreaded threat of fitna (sedition). This would inevitably lead to partition. The airing of sectarian issues was tantamount to condoning the division of the country into mini-states, thereby ensuring the continued dominance of foreign powers, especially Israel. The charge of ta’ift (sectarian) was difficult to live down, and was frequently used to smother the possibility of any debate about the sectarian issue in Iraq. The political discourse in Iraq was therefore channelled in any number of directions – into Arab nationalism, socialism, modernism – but never into an examination of the sectarian basis of power .z The denial of sectarianism was so potent and deep-rooted that it pushed discussion of this
problem to the outer limits of acceptable dialogue. In time, this denial created its own reality, and became an article of faith.’
The Kurds had managed to slip out of this straitjacket because of a grudging acknowledgement of their `peculiar’ status. Also, their decade of semi-independence confirmed their demands for special treatment within a federal Iraqi state. The Shi’a, however, were another matter altogether. Their attitudes and beliefs in terms of their loyalty to religion, sect, race or nation would be critical in determining the course of Iraq’s political future. The Iraqi state, dominated by the Sunni Arabs, of which Faisal I had spoken, and which had continued unchanged in its basic form for decades, had come crashing down. What kind of state would replace it would be partly dependent on how individual Iraqis felt they had been treated, whether they had gained or lost by the state’s existence over the years; also, whether they could be convinced that the state could be reformed, so that it would become more fair and just to all its citizens. In short, did a national compact still exist between Iraqis and their state, in spite of the abuses and injustices that had been visited on most of the state’s citizens at one time or another?

The essence of the plan involved the drafting of a basic law for the transition period by 1 March, 2004. This was to be written mainly by the CPA, although the process was to be under the nominal tutelage of the Governing Council. Elections for a transitional assembly and government would then be held in July 2004, and a constitutional convention would be elected in January 2005. The plan was soon dropped in favour of holding `caucuses’ that would select the transitional government. The direct elections route was deemed impractical in the time frame that the Coalition wanted to impose on the return of sovereignty to Iraq: 30 June, 2004.’9
The agreement had five basic provisions. The first element was the drafting of a’Fundamental Law’, which was intended to provide the legal framework for the government of Iraq. It included a bill of rights, a commitment to a federalist Iraq, an independent judiciary, civil control over the military, and a statement that the fundamental law could not be amended. The second element was a provision to reach an accord between the CPA and the Governing Council on the status of Coalition forces in Iraq. The third and most controversial provision was the selection process for a Transitional National Assembly (TNA). It specifically stated that the TNA would not be an extension of the Governing Council. The members of the TNA were to be selected through a caucus system in the eighteen governorates of Iraq. The fourth provision involved the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty by 30 June, 2004, through the nomination of a government by the TNA. The final provision was to set out a detailed timetable for an elected convention that would write Iraq’s new constitution which would be subject to referendum. A new set of elections for an Iraqi government would be held no later than 31 December, 2005.

The essence of the plan involved the drafting of a basic law for the transition period by 1 March, 2004. This was to be written mainly by the CPA, although the process was to be under the nominal tutelage of the Governing Council. Elections for a transitional assembly and government would then be held in July 2004, and a constitutional convention would be elected in January 2005. The plan was soon dropped in favour of holding `caucuses’ that would select the transitional government. The direct elections route was deemed impractical in the time frame that the Coalition wanted to impose on the return of sovereignty to Iraq: 30 June, 2004.’9
The agreement had five basic provisions. The first element was the drafting of a’Fundamental Law’, which was intended to provide the legal framework for the government of Iraq. It included a bill of rights, a commitment to a federalist Iraq, an independent judiciary, civil control over the military, and a statement that the fundamental law could not be amended. The second element was a provision to reach an accord between the CPA and the Governing Council on the status of Coalition forces in Iraq. The third and most controversial provision was the selection process for a Transitional National Assembly (TNA). It specifically stated that the TNA would not be an extension of the Governing Council. The members of the TNA were to be selected through a caucus system in the eighteen governorates of Iraq. The fourth provision involved the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty by 30 June, 2004, through the nomination of a government by the TNA. The final provision was to set out a detailed timetable for an elected convention that would write Iraq’s new constitution which would be subject to referendum. A new set of elections for an Iraqi government would be held no later than 31 December, 2005.

The evident support of the Arab League for the opposition and the national resistance, however, considerably emboldened those Sunni Arabs who were prepared to engage critically with the Iraqi government and the US Embassy. The persistent refusal of the Arab League to accord full recognition to the Iraqi governments that emerged out of the political process continued. No Arab League mission visited Iraq until October 2005. Predictably, the Arab League was praised by the leaders of the Sunni Arab community for its concern with Iraq’s sovereignty and for averting civil war. At the same time, it was condemned by the Shi’a religious and secular groups for ignoring the indiscriminate terror of insurgents. The Kurds, who throughout had been sceptical of the Arab League, were considerably mollified by the changed tune of the League regarding Kurdish demands for federalism. The Arab League reflected the increased willingness on the part of the Arab regimes to countenance, and even support, Kurdish demands for autonomy. This was a signal to show that the Arab world could accommodate an effectively confederal Iraq, but that it would not countenance a Shi’a-dominated Iraq or a three-way federal state with a weak centre. The bogeyman of Iran and the Shi’a’s assumed subservience to that country would simply not go away.

As the Bush administration moved from containment of Iraq to outright belligerence towards the country, however, Turkey became seriously alarmed at the huge risks to its own security that war with Iraq would entail. Turkey had always supported a strong centralised government in Iraq as the best bulwark against the possibility that a weakened Iraqi state might unleash forces that would jeopardise Turkey’s own security and vital national interests. By far the greatest of Turkey’s fears was the possibility that a weakened or divided Iraq would give rise to a Kurdish state in northern Iraq that would act as a magnet for similar claims by its own substantial Kurdish population, nearly twelve million strong. The consolidation of the Kurdish parties’ hold on Iraqi Kurdistan, and the vital role that the Kurds played as the USA’s main strategic ally inside Iraq, seriously concerned the authorities in Ankara. The Turks watched with increasing alarm as the demands for a federal Iraq became legitimated in the TAL. Thwarting the plans for an emergent Kurdish state or an Iraqi confederation became a main feature of Turkey’s policy in Iraq, even while it appeared to accept that some degree of autonomy for Iraq’s Kurds would be inevitable. The re-formation of Turkey’s main Kurdish insurgent group, the PKK, against which the Turkish army had fought a decades-long dirty war, in northeastern Iraq, was also looming as a critical Turkish national security problem.

Jaafari and his cabinet were sworn in on 3 May, 2005 in front of the National Assembly. The fragility of the coalition government was apparent, even as it was being sworn in. A key phrase in the oath calling for a’democratic and federal’ Iraq was surreptitiously dropped by Jaafari’s aides, much to the anger and consternation of the Kurds. It seemed to confirm their suspicions about Jaafari and his less-than-sterling commitment to a federal future for Iraq. Jaafari followed the swearing in with a speech that laid out, vaguely and grandiloquently, the government’s plans over the transition period. The commitments made were completely unrealistic and unnecessarily bound the Transitional Government to reforms and improvements in services, jobs and incomes in ways that would prove difficult to achieve. The government, after all, only had an eleven-month life, and three months had already been spent in bickering and manoeuvring. The unfortunate pattern of over-promising and under-delivering had begun with the CPA and the Governing Council, and continued with the Interim Government and, now, with the Jaafari government. It was a case of politicians making expedient or wild promises that took no notice of the prevailing conditions of insecurity, administrative chaos and dysfunctional government. A tired and weary citizenry stood back and hoped against hope for some reprieve from lawlessness, violence, power blackouts, gasoline lines and water shortages.

The Issue of Federalism for the South
The constitutional drafting committee was still wrestling with the most contentious issues that had been inherited from the TAL, when another bombshell erupted. On 11 August, four days before the deadline for presenting the draft constitution to the National Assembly, Sayyid Abd elAziz al-Hakim, leader of SCIRI and the head of the UIA, stood up in front of a large crowd in Najaf and made a startling announcement; `To keep the political balance of the country, Iraq should be ruled under a federal system next to the central government … We think it is necessary to form one entire region in the South:” Until that day, no senior political figure had publicly demanded that the Shi’a of Iraq should have a region of their own with commensurate powers and status like Kurdistan. Hakim’s comments went against the prevailing current within Islamist circles that emphasised central rule The Shi’a region he was demanding would embrace the entire South, and would hold the major oil fields and reserves, and the ports of the country. It built on the residue of frustration and anger that southerners felt at their neglect and impoverishment by successive central governments, which had continued in a more pronounced form since the fall of the Ba’ath regime. The scheme also dovetailed into SCIRI’s own political supremacy in the south where it controlled, alone or in alliance, a number of provincial councils.
The TAL, which had basically limited federal regions to amalgams of not more than three provinces, was now being superseded in this most crucial of areas. Hakim was insisting that the constitution be drafted in ways that would allow the formation of `super regions: Grand Ayatollah Sistani had, apparently, been consulted on this matter, and while no formal statement was issued by his office, it was presumed that Sistani did not raise any objections. But Hakim’s demand for a federal solution to the Shi’a’s notion of being disadvantaged did not automatically translate into separatism and the establishment of a Shi’a state. In any case, there was scant support for such an entity; the belief that the Shi’a were specially targeted by the radical Sunni insurgents, however, grew in intensity, and this certainly played a part in the increasing alienation of the Shi’a from the idea of a centralised state.
The idea of a federal and multi-region solution for the structures of the Iraqi state was first mooted in an essay entitled `Federalism’ by Ali Allawi in 1992.’6 Decentralisation and strengthening of local government were important elements of the 2002 Declaration of the Shi’a of Iraq.”Ahmad Chalabi was also a proponent of a regional solution to the Iraqi state, and had made a number of speeches in favour of a three-province region in the deep south of the country. But none of the early proponents of federalism for the south had the mass base to promote these notions. The agenda was still dominated by Sistani’s broad principles for political involvement. It fell to SCIRI, a party with a large base of followers in the Shi’a community, to take the lead in moving away from the generalised demands for elections and a constitution to a specific plan of action. By pursuing a regional agenda, SCIRI, of course, had to abandon the idea of a non-sectarian and unitary state, which was always an important element in its political platform.
The possibility that Iraq would be divided into two regions, Kurdish and Shi’a, with the resource-poor, mainly Sunni, rump provinces left to fend for themselves, raised serious alarm bells with the Sunni Arab negotiators. It seemed to confirm their worse fears about the new constitution. ‘8
The Sunni Arab position on federalism was uniformly negative. It rankled those who believed in the binding unity of the country and the ever-present dangers of break-up if the centrifugal forces that threatened the country were given free sway. Of course the idea of a central state was indissolubly linked to the historical control that their community had exercised over the state, but it was also connected to the sense that it was they, uniquely, who had held the stewardship over a united Iraq identity. Now this was being threatened in a new compact, the consequences of which might reverberate for a very long time. But the Sunni Arab leadership had come around to accepting, grudgingly, that the Kurds did have an exceptional case, and by the time negotiations for the new constitution were afoot, the issue of Kurdistan’s semi-independent status was no longer seriously questioned. The details were [410] vigorously discussed, especially the territorial boundaries of Kurdistan and the case of Kirkuk’s status, but the main issue of a confederal status for the Kurdistan region had been conceded. The Shi’a `super region, however, was another matter altogether. It challenged the very heart of the Iraqi identity and the proposition that the Arabs of Iraq were at least united by their common ethnicity.
The response by the Sunni Arabs to Hakim’s call for a nine-province region, the first time that the idea of federalism had been expressly linked to a sectarian rather than a geographical, administrative or ethnic base, was immediate and loud. Sunni clerics fulminated in their Friday sermons about plots to break up Iraq, and promised to foil the plan by fair means or foul. The resource argument, also a vital consideration for the Sunni Arabs, was played down in the public debate, mainly to concentrate the public’s attention on the issue of unity and not on the division of resources, for which an accommodating formula had been found. The gauntlet was thrown down: SCIRI could now define the terms of the debate on regionalism, and for the first time the idea of an autonomous Shi’a region, albeit one in the context of a federal Iraq, was seriously broached.
The Hakim demands for a Shia region did not materially affect the progress towards completing the constitution, as it came well after the outlines of the new constitution were in their final draft form. A multiple province region had already been agreed in the draft, with the Kurds being its main proponents at first. They were looking to adding Kirkuk, and even parts of other provinces such as Mosul and Diyala, to their region. This would have necessitated that the TAL’s three-province limit to regions be dropped.

so, no obvious US policy here wrt federalism.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 10 2007 3:47 utc | 84

Right, so until joe biden becomes president U.S. policy will remain against hard federalism (partition), not so much to please the Sunni’s, but to not please the Iranians – which might like the idea of a new province.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 10 2007 6:17 utc | 85

‘In the Land of the Blood Feuds’

“Before, we were afraid only of Saddam” Hussein, Khafaji said, sitting in his spacious office, its walls adorned with aerial photos of his bus factory and pictures of luxury cars. “Now, there are many sides we’re afraid of. If we push on this side, they will kill you. If you poke on that side, they will kill you, and if you poke over there, then they will kill you,” he said, pointing south, east and west in turn.
In Iskandariyah, where nearly two-thirds of the population are Shiites, sectarian killings are on the rise, according to U.S. military commanders. Since November, there have been seven police chiefs. The sixth one was murdered last month.
“The police are afraid to do anything,” Khafaji said. Tall and regal, with short, silvery hair, he is a prominent Shiite tribal leader whose family has lived here for generations.
On March 26, Balcavage’s soldiers responded to fierce street battles between Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias in Iskandariyah’s center.
A series of tit-for-tat mosque attacks had put the town on edge. Then Shiite militiamen based in one mosque attacked a Sunni shrine down the street.
As a unit from the 1st Battalion rolled into the battle zone, not far from Khafaji’s factory, machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades suddenly targeted them, according to a military report.
“Both sides stopped shooting at each other, and both opened up on our men,” Whiteside said. The Americans had to fight their way out.

Twenty miles to the northwest, in the lush marshlands of Khidr, U.S. forces face an elusive Sunni foe. Al-Qaeda in Iraq recruits local tribesmen here, and vendettas unfold both among and within the tribes.
Sunni groups launch attacks from Khidr against Shiites farther south and east. Some fighters fleeing a six-month-old security push in Baghdad have sought refuge in the area, U.S. commanders said. And while U.S. forces here and in other parts of the country are working with tribes that have turned against al-Qaeda in Iraq, loyalties are often fickle in this region.
“Any group you work with can turn on you,” said Williams, the tribal liaison, noting that even Iraqi police units have attacked U.S. troops. “That is part of the operating cost.”

But even before their mission to Khidr, frustration ran deep among his soldiers, who have spent months chasing a hard-to-define enemy.
“We haven’t done anything here. We’ll go for 24 hours and we’ll see nothing,” said Sgt. Josh Claeson, a radio operator, as he waited with nearly 200 soldiers under the glow of an orange moon for helicopters to Khidr. “Our basic mission here is to drive around and get blown up.”

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 7:00 utc | 86

slothrop:
the US did not “install” an iran-friendly government. that government was installed by an election.
The US installed an “iran-friendly government” before they even invaded Iraq:
Members of the “Follow-Up and Arrangement Committee”, agreed on 17 December 2002
And as far as that election goes the people didn’t even know who they were voting for as the candidates were too terrified to make thier names public. They voted for a number. And as for free and fair elections please do tell us how many candidates from the Baath Party ran?

Posted by: Sam | Aug 10 2007 7:13 utc | 87

adding to Sam
– and how did it happen
— that the vote count after the Iraqi election took some six weeks,
— that the expected majority for the United Shia List was not coming through but they ended up with 48.5% and with the need of a coalition,
— that Jafaree who was supposed to become prime minister was shifted aside by the US and Maliki installed …
free elections?
—-
Now 3 million Shia, 15% of the Iraqi population, on pilgramage in Iraq and the AP piece burries it. It starts with some downed U.S. helo and other issues and is even concerned with air quality?!?:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/10/AR2007081000205.html

On Thursday hundreds of thousands of Shiites marched to a gold-domed mosque in harsh heat and sun in a pilgrimage of devotion to an 8th century saint that also starkly demonstrated their political power

“Long live Muqtada!” some pilgrims shouted as they paraded toward the Imam al-Kadhim shrine, referring to radical Shiite leader Muqtada al Sadr, whose Mahdi army is accused of death squad attacks. “May God kill his enemies!”
A few shook their fists at U.S. soldiers standing alongside the procession route, but the march was mostly peaceful.

In Baghdad, the heat soared to 115 degrees as the religious spectacle unfolded.
Residents used garden hoses to spray cool water over pilgrims, many of whom began their journey _ on foot _ days ago from Shiite cities in southern Iraq. Men draped wet towels over their heads and necks.
Guards checked pilgrims as they reached the green iron gates of the mosque, but in some spots the crush of the crowd was so thick that chaos reigned.
A citywide driving ban also was in effect until early Saturday to prevent suicide car bombings. It also improved Baghdad air quality.

Iraqi officials estimated the crowd at 3 million, but it was impossible to verify the numbers.
More than 1,800 Iraqi security forces were guarding the mosque complex, including 625 agents inside the shrine, officials said. Shiite militiamen also milled throughout the area.

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 7:51 utc | 88

Looting fear as Iraqi state library seized

Thousands of rare books and manuscripts in Iraq’s national library and archive, one of the country’s most important cultural institutions, are in peril after the occupation of the building by Iraqi security forces, the library’s director said yesterday.
Saad Eskander, a respected Kurdish historian who has run the library since 2003, told the Guardian that up to 20 Iraqi troops had seized the building at gunpoint yesterday, threatening staff and guards.
“They have turned our national archive into a military target,” he said. “Tomorrow or the day after, the extremists will attack the Iraqi forces there.”
He said the soldiers, who said they had occupied the building to defend Shia worshippers heading to the shrine of Khadimiya, about 15 miles away, had positioned themselves on the roof of the library. They had already started to dismantle the main gate, and had smashed doors and windows inside the main building, he said.

Posted by: b | Aug 10 2007 8:12 utc | 89

Diary of Saad Eskander, Director of the Iraq National Library and Archive

When the Saddam regime was toppled in 2003, the Iraq National Library and Archive in Baghdad was set alight and looted. Much damage was done, in particular to the library’s archive collections. Dr Saad Eskander, the Director of the Iraq National Library and Archive – a former British Library reader pass-holder – has visited the British Library on several occasions subsequently.

In 2005, with the damage to the library collections greater than had first been thought, Dr Eskander requested some specific assistance from us for rebuilding his collections. With monetary assistance from the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, we were able to help by providing microfilm copies of rare books and also microfiche copies of India Office records relating to the administration of Iraq 1914-1921. Later in the same year, Chief Executive Lynne Brindley hosted a dinner for Dr Eskander, attended by a number of prominent librarians from the public library and university library sector. A consignment of publications is currently on its way to Baghdad as a further contribution to the rebuilding of the National Library and Archive.

Dr Eskander’s journal, which appears with his kind permission, starts in November 2006 and describes the perilous and tragic situation that the Iraq National Library and Archive is operating under and which led to the institution’s temporary closure at the end of that month.

In early December, after consulting the heads of his departments, Dr Eskander re-opened the National Library and Archive even though the security situation remained as bad as before.

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Posted by: markfromireland | Aug 10 2007 11:30 utc | 90

Hmmm. A Kurd appointed as head of Iraq’s main library. That seems calculated to pacify Baathists.

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