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August 5, 2007
Battle of Algiers

In 2003 the WaPo’s David Ignatius, while lauding Rumsfeld’s strategies, reported:

The Pentagon’s special operations chiefs have scheduled a showing tomorrow in the Army auditorium of “The Battle of Algiers,” a classic film that examines how the French, despite overwhelming military superiority, were defeated by Algerian resistance fighters.

The Pentagon and their brethren at the CIA picked selectively the wrong ideas from that movie and didn’t get its general message.
A clip from the movie explains:


Jane Mayer writes (recommendable) on the confidential International Committee of the Red Cross report on the CIA’s black prisoner program:

Congressional and other Washington sources familiar with the report said that it harshly criticized the C.I.A.’s practices. One of the sources said that the Red Cross described the agency’s detention and interrogation methods as tantamount to torture, and declared that American officials responsible for the abusive treatment could have committed serious crimes. The source said the report warned that these officials may have committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions, and may have violated the U.S. Torture Act, which Congress passed in 1994.

When those people responsible for this defend their doing, they use the same argumential line the press briefing French officer is using in the movie:

“We are soldiers. Our duty is to win. Therefore, to be precise, it’s my turn to ask a question: Should France stay in Algeria? If you are answer is still yes, then you must accept all the consequences.”

It is the same argument Bush used to get his kill-FISA law passed: “Should the U.S. fight against terror? If your answer is still yes, then you must accept all the consequences.”


The logic in that is of course all wrong. But that didn’t matter to the French press then and it doesn’t matter to the people who voted for Bush’s law, or really want to stay in Iraq. They embrace it and reuse the same question to justify their personal lack of backbone and moral.


Watch the short clip from Battle of Algiers showing the press conference, and the consequences.

Comments

That ain’t torture, those are just “stress positions”.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 5 2007 20:06 utc | 1

this has remained not only a magnificent film but a useful tool

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 5 2007 20:57 utc | 2

that is very powerful. thanks Bernhard. you, Antifa, and Debs is dead have been stripping away the last bits of hope that I clung to. I wonder if those guys from the Heaven’s Gate cult had already arrived at the same conclusion. Still, I don’t want to give up, I don’t want to give the bastards the satisfaction of wearing me down.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 5 2007 22:39 utc | 3

dan, there is strength in understanding the depth of our misery as social beings in this epoch & from that we must draw a certain hope
& i’d like to suggest a book by the american psychiatrist robert jay lifton on the ‘nazi doctors’ because it details in a very clear way how ‘normal’ people can not only live with the unliveable but then go on to become active perpetrators in creating that unliveability
he does this with ‘reasearch’ medical scientists, eminent professors of medical schools & the general practitioners – & how they functioned from 1933-45. it is instructive & you will find the language that these doctors used to explain their activity – after the war is comparable to the american perpetrators of that unliveability, today

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 5 2007 23:53 utc | 4

Every one of our major U.S. Presidential candidates knows that the U.S. is torturing prisoners.
Every one of our Senators and Representatives knows that the U.S. is torturing prisoners.
Every one of the political leaders of the Western World knows that the U.S. is torturing prisoners.
Nobody Cares.

Posted by: Rick | Aug 6 2007 1:32 utc | 5

Every one of the political leaders of the Western World knows that the U.S. is torturing prisoners.
Nobody Cares.

Au contraire my friend, it is a fragile State of affairs, not only do they care, they enjoy it. They care very much, and they salivate at the power. They marvel at the unbridled power, mostly in a sexual way. We are not talking about civilized people, we are talking sick twisted drunk on power increasingly unaccountable elite fucks. They do not gain office to serve, they gain office to compensate for their bruised ego’s. They enjoy their role as corrupt power-hungry dark hat’s. From their dictatorial governorship to power ties and power lunches and lobby weekends. They love being all the King’s Men.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 6 2007 3:28 utc | 6

Uncle$cam,
Yes I stand rightfully corrected. Worse yet, as debsisdead noted in another thread, any other type of person is sure to be weeded out of the political process early on by these twisted minds.

Posted by: Rick | Aug 6 2007 3:49 utc | 7

this narrative requires a premise (thats never contested) — that France owned Algeria.
which it never did.
hence its a dumb, sadist & evil French movie.
the real moral of the story is how false premise in the wrong hands creates self-righteous dressed-up sub-humans.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 6 2007 6:02 utc | 8

jbc, the movie (made by an italian) is not sympathetic to the French, au contraire! You’ve got to see the whole thing.

Posted by: Dick Durata | Aug 6 2007 6:51 utc | 9

Thanks Dick Durata

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 6 2007 11:56 utc | 10

One has to wonder if they noticed that the French left Algeria.

Posted by: R.L. | Aug 6 2007 15:01 utc | 11

I recently watched the oldish movie “Cry Freedom” about Steve Biko in South Africa and I also highly recommend it, as another story that shows how people in power who opt for the path of brutal oppression are generally, in the short or the long run, doomed to lose.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 6 2007 15:25 utc | 12

Gillo Pontecorvo, who made the movie, was not only an Italian, but an Italian Jew, and a Communist. The movie was banned for years in France.
Although the movie has enough balance to present the French side as well, and atrocities committed by the Algerian rebels, it is in no sense an apologia for French colonial rule.

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