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August 13, 2007
Army Not Planing to Leave

Back in April I noted:

Different parts of the U.S. public are in various phases of grief about the lost war.

The hard-core believers are still in the denial phase. Moderate Republicans have proceeded to anger. The Democrats are in the bargaining phase. The pro-war left realm is in depression and the anti-war people have long accepted the loss.

That’s pretty much still the case today. Falling for the surge in "surge" propaganda, some people even seem to have reverted to prior state.

(By the way: One can apply the ‘phases of grief’ to today’s financial markets too. Seems about everyone there is still pretty much in denial.)

But back to war. At least the military is no longer in denial and is running simulations of a retreat out of Iraq – or so it seems. Via a (terribly written) McClatchey piece we learn:

The Army staged the one-day exercise earlier this month at a Hilton hotel in suburban Springfield, Va., and invited 30 Iraq experts, among them serving and retired officers and Iraqi exiles.

Ooops – Iraqi exiles? Is Chalabi back in town? A bit further down we detect why one probably would use such stooges again. This was not a real exit exercise about leaving, but an effort to simulate and to propagandize how really, really bad the situation would become when the U.S. retreats:

The game was one of several simulations of what Iraq might look like in the 2009 time frame if U.S. troops leave, said retired Marine Col. Gary Anderson, who participated in the Springfield exercise and several previous such games. But he said the Army hasn’t yet staged an exercise premised on an abrupt withdrawal.

That the military war games are focusing on the potential chaos in Iraq, rather than an abrupt troop withdrawal, offers some insight into how the Pentagon is planning for the next stage of the war, several of the participants told McClatchy Newspapers.

So the military is not really analyzing how to get out, but the purpose of the day at the Hilton was to develop scenarios of what might happen. There are certainly different situations possible, but the one presented is really, really terrible:

Once U.S. troops left, however, the chaos in Iraq would escalate. Shiite militias would drive Baghdad’s Sunni population into Iraq’s western Anbar province, which is almost exclusively Sunni, the war gamers concluded. There would be a power struggle within Anbar among tribes backed by outside Sunni Arab states, including Saudi Arabia and Syria.

Rival Shiite factions would fight one another to control much of the rest of the country, and Iran presumably would back one side, although the gamers couldn’t assess how overt Iranian interference would be. Turkey would consider entering Iraq from the north to thwart the Kurds, who desire independence and claim some of Turkey as part of their homeland.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki’s government would be unable to control the country. Indeed, the gamers concluded, his government could collapse unless Iran threw its support behind it.

Note how much different the situation is today: Today there is no ethnic cleansing in Baghdad. Saudi Arabia and Syria don’t support the tribes which are living peacefully in Anbar, Basra is calm, Iran is not taking sides, the Turks just love the Kurds, Maliki is in control of the government and I am a pretty 18 year old blond with nice boobs.

What’s not to love with this situation?

The army is still in denial. If they really have not run any worst case, rapid exit simulation yet, its leaders are irresponsibly neglecting their duty.

Still the talk about how the army would get out sounds very much like the cakewalk and flowers talk we heard when it went in.

Any attacks, the panel judged, would be "harassment attacks," likely by a few Sunni members of al Qaida in Iraq who wanted to attack American troops one last time.

"Why would they stop us? They have been telling us to leave," said one participant who requested anonymity to speak freely about the war game.

"It will be as easy to get out as it was to get in," said one senior defense official ..

Let me see: The gang that ransacked my home, raped my sister and stabbed my parents is getting into its car to flee down the road. Would I just harass them? Or would I do all I can to not let them get away on the cheap?

Indeed, some hard core believers are still in denial.

A retired Marine Colonel who took part in the excercise has a more realistic thought:

"I don’t worry about how we will get out of Iraq," Anderson concluded about the latest war game. "I am worried about the Iraqis we will kill on the way out."

Comments

“It will be as easy to get out as it was to get in,” said one senior defense official ..
Thats assuming that there will be no acknowledgment and or retribution for another
hasty retreat,
that just may not have completely faded from our adversary’s pristine memory.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 13 2007 18:25 utc | 1

It became necessary to go in and kill after sanctions were too slow and disappointing.
Decimating the population, squeezing it even more, upping the ante, were a “” natural, logical,”” progression.
Iraq will have to give up the control of its oil, its natural resources and its economy.
That is non-negotiable. (In the minds of Repubs, Dems, right thinking Americans, the poodle West, anyone who counts…)
Questions remain about who will come out on top there – and kill and skim – basically I see, in the future, an Iran-US partnership. In fact, there is a double occupation in Iraq, and the two parties are posturing for control, standing off against each other. They will end up by dealing. Wait and see.
Yes, I know some of my ideas are wacky, and it is hard, always, lacking any references to mainstream crap, to shore them up.
Wild speculation natch.
Even Maliki holds an Iranian passport (i have read.)

Posted by: Noizette | Aug 13 2007 18:40 utc | 2

Lets look at some tiny, but telling, details.
Here is a US team travelling to Iran, and winning.
The American Association of Physics Teachers (AAPT) and the American Institute of Physics (AIP) today announced that the students chosen to represent the United States at the 2007 International Physics Olympiad in Isfahan, Iran, earned two gold and three silver medals. (July 2007.)
link
Relations of that type – and much much more – are always going on and no one would dream of putting a stop to them.

Posted by: Noizette | Aug 13 2007 19:02 utc | 3

They will end up by dealing. Wait and see.
Yes, I know some of my ideas are wacky,

I for one think they are very plausible with regards to that alliance at least. (BTW: Noisette was much more creamy on the tounge that “Noizette” 🙂
But I doubte that AIPAC will agree and the have the say on it …

Posted by: b | Aug 13 2007 19:27 utc | 4

yeah…
the retreat may be very much like the current situation:
Our basic mission here is to drive around and get blown up.”

Posted by: rudolf | Aug 13 2007 19:54 utc | 5

i had to change my name on the only other board i post on, the oil drum, only for tech reasons, …now i don’t know who i am any more. argh.
AIPAC is suffering bad. They can feel the cold wind. And don’t know what to do. Manipulating public opinion is hazardous, subject to fast turn overs, flips, etc. You can hold the top, but when it is based on wind, it is very vulnerable, and if attacked, there are no arms for riposte. it is like a fairy cake collapsing.

Posted by: Noirette, Noisette, Noizette, etc. | Aug 13 2007 20:01 utc | 6

I have sensed this a bit for longer, but now it really seems obvious that the US is trying to propagandazise al’Qaida as Shia and aligned with Iran – total nonsense of course, but a month form now the OpEd pages will write on that “new unity” and Michael Gordon will have very real “news” how they interoperate.

Operation Phantom Strike, the military announced, was being waged nationwide to disrupt Shiite extremist networks and insurgents affiliated to Al-Qaeda, which the Americans blame for most of the violence besieging the country.
“It consists of simultaneous operations throughout Iraq focused on pursuing remaining AQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq) terrorists and Iranian-supported extremist elements,” the military said.

Posted by: b | Aug 13 2007 20:18 utc | 7

um, does “Noisette” translate as “Nutty”?
grin
love your insights, no matter who you are.

Posted by: catlady | Aug 13 2007 20:58 utc | 8

@Noisy, Nosy, Noire, Noz… (smile)
AIPAC is suffering bad.
Can you provide some supporting evidence for this?

Posted by: Bea | Aug 13 2007 22:37 utc | 9

I feel we should know the names.
The 2007 U.S. Physics Team members are:
Gold Medalist Jason LaRue, Miami, FL (teacher: David Jones)
Gold Medalist Haofei Wei, Oklahoma City, OK (teacher: Shayne Johnston)
Silver Medalist Kenan Diab, Gates Mills, OH (teacher: Bob Shurtz)
Silver Medalist Rui Hu, Wilmington, DE (teacher: David Stover)
Silver Medalist Jenny Kwan, San Marcos, CA (teacher: Jose Fernandez)

Posted by: Argh | Aug 13 2007 22:38 utc | 10

the empire’s fantasies are so crude in their construction i only wish it was possible as wittgenstein said to pass over it in silence

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 13 2007 22:52 utc | 11

Yes. I’d like to join the peanut gallery and say, Thanks blackie [now that’s going back a bit].
btw – love those names Argh.

Posted by: beq | Aug 13 2007 23:59 utc | 12

Some plans:

The major powers, especially France under President Nicolas Sarkozy, who did not inherit his predecessor’s anti-American bitterness over the Iraqi disaster, now see a role for the United Nations, with full backing from the 27-nation European Union, that would enable the United States to phase out. This would involve giving Iraq a similar status to Kosovo pending its graduation to full-fledged independence. Thus, Iraq’s sovereignty would be held in abeyance pending a new post-Saddam political settlement. But this would require a major increment of peacekeepers, preferably from Arab and other Muslim countries. But none of them is about to volunteer.

Nuts …

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2007 6:54 utc | 13

@Noirette, you know that Oil Drum is propaganda outlet of Am. Petroleum Institute. Anything whose chief guy is some schmuck named “Prof. Goose”, is clearly a fraudulent front group…

Posted by: jj | Aug 14 2007 7:16 utc | 14

The “cut them off” strategy of the resistance seems to coninue successfully:
Bomber Strikes Bridge in Iraq; 10 Dead

The attack occurred about noon on the Thiraa Dijla bridge in Taji, a town near a U.S. air base some 12 miles north of the capital, police said, giving the casualty toll. The bridge lies on the main highway that links Baghdad with the northern city of Mosul.

That would be this bridge on the direct supply road between Baghdad and the big U.S. helo base in Taji.

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2007 12:25 utc | 15

Bea, Israel, image, these kinds of links is what i was thinking of, just a selection, not that AIPAC is publicly suffering in the sense of showing it, that was my interpretation, as they know what is going on, and there is more out there:
counter punch

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2007 18:33 utc | 16

you know that Oil Drum is propaganda outlet of Am. Petroleum Institute. Anything whose chief guy is some schmuck named “Prof. Goose”, is clearly a fraudulent front group…
No I didn’t. I am not keen on Prof Goose, personal lack of affinity. I haven’t perceived a hard hand of control, maybe my lack or perception. It is a big sprawling board with a huge readership. I chip in from time to time to stress that the response to ‘peak oil’ can only be political, social, cultural, community, though technology has a lot to offer, and of course to give details of local news from Switzerland.
I am a nobody there. Jerome a Paris writes head posts regularly, an ex moon of alabam-ie, he is a big figure there. I was planning to write about trolley buses, like these buses run for 1.5 million kms. (or a bit less) in Geneva, then they are given away or sold at fire sale prices to go on to a second life, now in Rumania. That kind of stuff…but i have also done other things, mostly pushing ppl forward. There is no way to judge effects. Cacophony on the internet…

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2007 19:25 utc | 17

Comrades: the glorious surge in Iraq generally and the luminous success story that is Anbar Province specifically continues today with 5 dead GIs in a downed helicpoter in Anbar. This is without doubt due to a mechanical failure as we have only allies in Anbar now.

Posted by: ran | Aug 14 2007 19:48 utc | 18

jj@14
Have you ever actually read a daily DrumBeat thread including the comments?
Really if Big Oil is funding it they should pull the plug on a site that’s gone off the reservation because the shared consensus besides a few knucklehead cornucopians who think tech innovation alone can keep the party going forever (and who are met with consistent derision) is that Peak Oil is upon us and the future is very bleak for non billionaires without some serious changes in attitudes and serious mitigation and conservation efforts.
Not sure Exxon Mobile would approve.

Posted by: ran | Aug 14 2007 20:03 utc | 19

The War abroad;
CNN: IRAQ HAS BEEN ETHNICALLY CLEANSED!
The War at home:
RNC Now Seeks Shelter of Executive Privilege

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2007 2:10 utc | 20

Down in the peace of yesterdays mess in Iraq, there is something burried …
Four suicide bombings kill 175 in Iraq

The bombings came as extremists staged other bold attacks: leveling a key bridge outside Baghdad and abducting five officials from an Oil Ministry compound in the capital in a raid using gunmen dressed as security officers. Nine U.S. soldiers also were reported killed, including five in a helicopter crash.

But the brazen daylight raid on the Oil Ministry complex showed that armed gangs can still embarrass authorities.
Dozens of gunmen wearing security force uniforms stormed the compound and abducted a deputy oil minister and four other officials who were spirited away in a convoy of military-style vehicles.
The kidnappings — similar to a commando-like raid on Iraq’s Finance Ministry in May — included Abdel-Jabar al-Wagaa, a senior assistant to Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani, said Assem Jihad, the oil ministry spokesman.
Al-Wagaa and four other officials with the State Oil Marketing Organization were taken away by more than 50 gunmen in military-style vehicles, said an Interior Minister official, speaking anonymously because he was not authorized to release the information. Five bodyguards were wounded in the raid, the official said.
On May 29, five Britons were seized in a similar raid on Iraq’s Finance Ministry. They were taken by gunmen wearing police uniforms and have not been found.

Note to AP – these ain’t gangs. These are officials in official uniforms and cars … but AP would not have that …

Posted by: b | Aug 15 2007 6:31 utc | 21

LA Times Top general may propose pullbacks

Intent on demonstrating progress in Iraq, the top U.S. general there is expected by Bush administration officials to recommend removing American troops soon from several areas where commanders believe security has improved, possibly including Al Anbar province.
According to the officials, Gen. David H. Petraeus is expected to propose the partial pullback in his September status report to Congress, when both the war’s critics and supporters plan to reassess its course. Administration officials who support the current troop levels hope Petraeus’ recommendations will persuade Congress to reject pressure for a major U.S. withdrawal.

Despite Bush’s repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.
And though Petraeus and Crocker will present their recommendations on Capitol Hill, legislation passed by Congress leaves it to the president to decide how to interpret the report’s data.

During internal White House discussion of a July interim report, some officials urged the administration to claim progress in policy areas such as legislation to divvy up Iraq’s oil revenue, even though no final agreement had been reached. Others argued that such assertions would be disingenuous.

Posted by: b | Aug 15 2007 8:10 utc | 22

Some grunts are finding their own way out:
Army suicides at highest level in 26 years

Last year, “Iraq was the most common deployment location for both (suicides) and attempts,” the report said.

Posted by: Bea | Aug 16 2007 8:42 utc | 23

Peak Oil vs. Peak Wealth
Let me repeat again two years later:
While I do believe that the concept of Peak Oil is real and will one day arrive, I see no evidence whatsoever that Peak Oil has arrived. The evidence is clear that fully 5% of world oil production is intentionally being kept off the market by the ongoing war in Iraq. The oil companies are in a win/win situation: oil off, prices high; oil laws signed, production rises, profits and control ensured.
It is pure bullshit that big oil was not in favor of invading Iraq. They are too powerful, and it would not have happened without their acquiescence; they are just too smart, and like all official secrets, they managed to keep it mum. It is like the same b.s. story of how US auto manufacturers REALLY want national health insurance to keep their costs competitive. There is simply no evidence that the big three have done any lobbying whatsoever for single payer universal coverage; it is just a cover-your-ass myth perpetuated to keep the dumb consumer thinking that the companies “care” about people. No, they don’t. They would be happy to off-shore all production, and that is the way they are moving.
Back to Big Oil: An additional 1% is kept off markets in Nigeria do to the kleptocracy not sharing with gulf locals. And what about the Falklands, whose huge reserves have yet to be tapped? What Big Oil (and the US government) wants is complete control of the amount of oil being put on the market at any time. Control of the “shortages” and the surpluses, so that the financial sharks can make money in the market both ways. At that level, it is all a rigged game.
Peak Oil is very much a function of social justice. There will be no freedom allowed in producer nations.
Peak Oil is also just another scam to squeeze the middle class. If it were a real crisis, there would be national mobilization for efficiency programs and subsidies. But the ruling elite do not want national mobilization about anything; they want a dumb, divided, easily controlled, populace — which is what they strive to create. So with the Peak Oil excuse, the middle class gets squeezed still further about something they feel is a law of nature and they have no control of, the poor stay poor, and the rich continue to build bigger and bigger houses, and buy more and more oil consuming toys and trinkets.
Peak Oil is one of a number of myth/scams to move along the process of Peak Wealth Redistribution, made easier by fear.
What Peak Oil does in the US, as proven by experience in Germany, is create a Green Party/environmental movement of educated, well-off, middle class in hysterical opposition to the dumb, dirty, underclass and how they live, and in opposition to all social justice/income equality movements.
Peak Oil is very much a function of social justice. There will now be no freedom allowed in consumer nations.
I have seen this here where I live, where well-off, upper-middle class people are hysterically proposing draconian rules which will result in the complete social control of society, especially the poor and underclass. They refuse to look at the oil consumption curve, which continues to show that oil is consumed in inordinate amounts by the ultra-wealthy, and that conservation can best be accomplished by taxing the rich, rather than penalizing the poor. Yeah, so maybe the rich wouldn’t be able to fly all over the world several times a month, boo hoo!
So yes, Peak Oil is a real phenomenon on a finite planet, and one day it will arrive. But it has not arrived yet, and right now it is being used as a form of social control. God is always in the details. Be very careful, folks, and always think deeply about the implications of all of your actions.
If we really want to conserve oil and are concerned about growth, how about a law like this: If you make over 100K you are only allowed one child,; if you make over 200K, no children. That would even out consumption a bit. You want children, you can’t be wealthy, because wealthy people burn more than their share of oil.
The poor of the world, the favelas, are not using up all the world’s oil; the rich are. The real problem is income distribution. We always pay lip service to “solving the problem of the poor,” which really means some sort of media campaign so that the middle class can ignore the poor with a clear conscience. But the problem is the opposite. If we can solve the problem of the rich, we can live on a sustainable planet.
There simply is no such thing as a rich person who is environmentally conscious. Rich people consume more resources than the poor — even those rich who live in Green houses. Solve the problem of the rich, who are destroying the world in every way possible, and you solve the problems of a sustainable life.
Don’t worry about Peak Oil; worry about Peak Wealth. If we run out of oil, we can always burn the rich. Rich people’s oil may not be of quite the quality of the whale oil used to power the last century, but it will do. It will do.

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